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It must be pretty difficult to talk about an undefeated, nationally praised NFL team, right? Tommasse from Pats Pulpit has graciously stopped by this morning to do just that: I asked him five questions about his Patriots as they pertain to the season to date and this Sunday's game, and he provided us with some interesting responses. As always, be sure to check out Pats Pulpit later on today to see my reciprocating interview. To the questions (they're in bold)!

Bill Belichick has always been a coach who knows how to prioritize - it's apparent in his building of the roster and his game-planning. Where then, on Belichick's list of priorities, do you believe going 19-0 lies?

PP: I think it's now on the list, but I don't think it's very high yet. While the rest of the world started wondering after Week 3, I'm pretty sure Belichick has been employing his usual week-to-week, one-game-at-a-time mentality. After the Indy game, things change a little -- a little. Asked about it over the last few weeks, he said it's not even a consideration.

Now it's on the radar, but the next four teams pose very legitimate challenges, and he's concerned with about winning Sunday, the next game on the schedule. Even after Dec. 9 (Pittsburgh), should New England still be undefeated, earning the top seed will still be a priority.

But when there's "nothing left to play for?" Belichick, as much as he is a coach, is a football historian. A team wins the Super Bowl every year. No team has ever gone undefeated in a 16-game season. But until Week 17, it's week-to-week, one-game-at-a-time.

The Pats have taken a lot of flack for "running up the score" and keeping their starters in late. There's something to be said for playing a full 60 minutes, but at what point does the risk of injury trump keeping players such as Brady and Moss in the game?

PP: Every situation is different, but in general not until the last half of the last quarter of any game (so, the last 7:30). We saw briefly what Life Without Brady could be like when Matt Cassel entered the Miami game in relief and promptly gave up 7 points. Yes, an injury to Brady would result in that reality, but never, ever do you play football thinking about getting injured. When you start "playing safe," that's when you invite mistakes, that's when you invite injury.

The only other exception is if it's a very physical game and opposing players start "bending rules." You'd hate to see any player on any team taken out with a cheap shot. Most players realize that these are guys' careers and livelihoods, and they will be made to answer by the league and by other players (you never know who will be a future teammate -- or a future opponent), but it's happened before.

Other than Brady - whose numbers at this point can only be described as "ludicrous" - who has been the Pats' MVP to date? Moss? Samuel? Vrabel? Other? (For the record, from an outsider's view, my vote would be Wes Welker.)

PP: I think you absolutely have to go with Randy Moss. Never mind the stat sheet, which is plain and clear enough. What makes moss the MVP is what he forces other teams to do just because he's on the field. He helps every facet of the game plan. He's so much of a threat that teams feel it necessary to double-cover him on almost every play. Never mind that he often makes the play anyway, but that extra player on him means one less guy covering another receiver, or playing zone, or defending the run, or blitzing. In that manner, Moss might be the Patriots' best blitz blocker. And while some of that might seem obvious, consider how much pressure that takes off the offensive line. Consider how much pressure that takes from Brady, or the running backs, or the other receivers. Less pressure means fewer mistakes and probably fewer injuries.

On top of all of that, the better the offense plays, the less pressure there is on the defense. While New England has shown the ability to score very quickly, they've also ground out their typical long, methodical, punishing drives that fatigue opposing defenses. The difference, especially with Moss, is that there is little doubt as there has been in the last (like last year) that they can sustain those drives.

Welker has been amazing. I thought he was fantastic with Miami, and I couldn't believe they traded him to New England. But Welker doesn't do what he does if Moss doesn't do what he does. I hope New England finds a way to keep both of them.

Looking at your team's remaining schedule - as well as possible playoff opponents such as Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, etc. - is there any team that scares you?

PP: I don't know. I'm more scared of simply playing the games than of the teams. There's simply not a team in the league that matches up, and that's not being egotistical or a homer. That's just the way it is. The other reason other teams don't scare me is that Bill Belichick is one of the elite coaches in the game. I can probably count on both hands the number of major coaching mistakes he's made since he's been in New England, and this is his eighth year.

If anything, I'm worried (but not scared) of a key player suffering an injury or of the players who have made this season so successful simply having a bad game.

But the games that concern me the most include this weekend, depending on the status of Marshawn Lynch (let's face it, if Lynch is out, the Patriots will have to play very poorly). Pittsburgh and the Giants are probably the only other two, but Pittsburgh is in Gillette Stadium, so I think that tips the scale decidedly. Indy has never really scared me in a fair game, and without Freeney, even less so.

If the Patriots get that far, I think playing Dallas would be a challenge, because they could be a different team in February than they were in October.

Obviously, it's going to be somewhat difficult for a young Bills squad to stick with a team as talented and veteran as New England on Sunday. Speaking objectively, if you were game-planning to play the Pats, what would be your strategies?

PP: First, I'm really glad that I don't need to actually do this the way, say, Perry Fewell does.

I think an offense needs to do two things to beat the Patriots defense: run the ball, and on passing downs get rid of the ball quickly. Buffalo's success running the ball will probably depend greatly on whether or not Lynch plays. The Bills' effectiveness running the ball is less important than that they keep doing it. Get the Patriots playing run and, more importantly, wear down the front seven as much as possible.

Don't wait for plays to develop in the passing game. Lots of short, high-percentage passes that keep the drive alive and chew up time and yardage. You can pick your spots to do deep, but the short passes will make the Patriots front seven less effective, because they won't get to the QB, and wear them down because they'll have to chase ball carriers and not just rush the QB.

Defensively, do what New England did to St. Louis in Super Bowl XXXVI: bump the receivers at the line, throw them off their routes, disrupt timing. Brady will kill you with short passes. He's done it his entire career, so pressure and blitzing typically don't work unless you have some elite d-backs to go with it. Keep a linebacker on the Patriots running back, whether it's a running play or a passing play, especially if it's Kevin Faulk.

I just don't see that it's possible to stop New England. Contain them the best you can, and depend on the offense to get their job done, too.

Thanks again to Tommasse for stopping by and giving us the low-down on the Pats (not that the national media hasn't covered every finger-sucking angle of this story already). For some of the most cutting-edge Pats coverage out there, stop by Pats Pulpit as we get nearer to game day.

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'You'd hate to see any player on any team taken out with a cheap shot. Most players realize that these are guys' careers and livelihoods, and they will be made to answer by the league and by other players (you never know who will be a future teammate -- or a future opponent), but it's happened before. '

Yeah, like when Wilfork stuck out his elbow into JPs knee knocking him out for 3 games.

Could you imagine if that happened to Tom Brady?

That was the cheapest shot I have seen in many years in the NFL, and it was a Patriot doing it.

by Thronsen on Nov 16, 2007 9:27 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about Miami?
"...is there any team that scares you?"

If I were a Pats fan, I'd be scared of the Miami game if only because of the cosmic irony of simultaneously ending the biggest winning and losing streaks at one fell swoop...

by Zumone on Nov 16, 2007 10:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point
The fish always play the Pats tough, and it's always the one you don't see coming.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 10:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"the cheapest shot...in many years"
Oh, come off it.

Chad Clifton getting steamrolled by Sapp?

Andre Gurode getting stomped in his face after the play by Haynesworth?

Every time Roy Williams horse-collared some poor schmuck (like Ben Watson) and rolled up on his knees?

Trent Green going for the knees?

Greg Lloyd on Keenan McCardell?

Scot Fujita on Steve Smith?

Romo breaking Dave Meggett's finger at the bottom of a pile?

You're saying it was cheaper than those?  You need to get a grip, buddy.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 10:38 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true enough
maybe that was a little extreme, there have been some pretty nasty cheap shots in the NFL over the years and the hit on J.P. was mild in comparison. However you have to consider the source of the hit Vince Wilfolk has taken many a cheap shot over the years, (ask Chris Villarrial about Wilfolk kicking him in the ribs after a play, or Jonas Jennings,about the blind side hit Wilfolk nailed him with while he was engaged blocking Seymour.) Not exactly the cleanest player in the league and he's a Pat. That's the Point.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is cheap?
First of all, his being a Pat doesn't say anything.  So what?  If BB was coaching guys to be cheap-shot artists, there'd be a lot more evidence than that.  You can't compare him to Buddy Ryan on that score.

On a purely theoretical level, I think this is worth talking about.  Wilfork can be nasty--no question.  But a certain level of nastiness is not necessarily a bad thing for a noseguard to posess.  Mean Joe Greene wasn't "Nice Joe Greene" or "Clean Joe Greene" after all.

I have a stake in this and I'll admit that right up front.  The Pats are my team; always have been, always will be.  So my knee-jerk reaction is to defend them.  But there are three issues (Rodney's HGH not being one of them) that I take exception to.

1) Wilfork.  Late hit, no question.  Low blow to a QB, also no question.  But it's only "cheap" or "dirty" if his intention was to injure the guy.  Only one person knows for sure and of course VW isn't going to say that was his intent even if it was.  But I haven't seen anything from the guy that rises above the normal "intent to hurt" that every NFLer brings to a hit.  Based on the video, I'm thinking Vince took the shot hoping to disrupt the throw and get in a lick.  I don't think he was trying to break a knee. Is it still cheap if that's true?

The other two are "spy-gate" and "running up the score," both of which I think have been blown way, way out of proportion.  The media needs something to write and (more commonly) yak about.  That's it.  But for the moment, I'll leave them to the side.  

I'm assuming that you've played football, rugby, ice hockey or some other sport where violence and intimidation are essential to the game.  In that context, how truly out of bounds was this hit in particular?  How much does the intent of the player matter?  

What is cheap?

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 12:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brady
So answer this question please - What would the reaction be in Boston if Anthony Hargrove did the exact same thing to Brady as VW did to Losman?

Would you guys be okay with him missing 2-3 games, and Hargrove given a $12,500 fine?  My guess is not.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 2:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See below
I would not want to lose Brady for 2-3 minutes, never mind games.

If it happened before this Vince thing, then personally I wouldn't have any problem with it.  S**t happens in football.  Since the Vince thing, however, I'd be wondering if it wasn't retaliation.  Always a possibility.

That said, of course the New England media and fans would cry to holy heaven.  That's what media and fans do.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 2:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok
I'm cool with your comments.  At least you acknowledge what the outcry would be.  Good luck the rest of the season man...

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 2:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheap is...
A cheap shot is some sort of physical contact that is out of the realm of normal contact. most of your roughing the QB calls in this league are not cheap shots, and I'll admit that hit on J.P. probably wasn't overly cheap or dirty.(maybe a little given VW's past. and there in lies my point) However a kick to the ribs on a player who was lying on the ground, is absolutely a cheap shot, and when the same player who did the kicking also took that shot to J.P.'s knee, well then it looks a little bit worse than it really was, and therefore makes said player look dirty or like a cheap shot artist(cheap-shooter?).Maybe what we need to clear this all up is to give VW a cool nickname as in your previous example "Mean Joe Greene". any suggestions?
how about "Dirty Vince"?

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 12:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll cop to that.
"Dirty Vince."  Sounds like a rapper.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 1:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NotJohnblahblah
'  But it's only "cheap" or "dirty" if his intention was to injure the guy.  Only one person knows for sure and of course VW '

Lets get one thing straight from the start, its a Pats blogger crying about cheap shots that started this.

But his crying is only surpassed by yours. Your thug threw a very intentional, very cheap shot at JPs knee, which took our starting QB out of the game (and more besides).

Do you even watch the game, or do you just jerk off to the Globe sports pages, as you have bravely done since 2001?

The Patriots cheat. Fact. The Patriots make cheap shots to intentionally injure opponents. Fact.

Sit Tom Brady down (who your uber coach stumbled into in the 6th round and benched till injuries forced him to play), play some games as if the Bills were cheap enough to try to injure him like Wilfork did to JP.

I grew up outside of Boston, and have seen many Pats games. But cheating, and cheap shots like the Patriots make, are sickening and destroy the sport.

by Thronsen on Nov 16, 2007 1:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice ad hominem.
I know you can't help it.  It's ok.  I know that you identify very closely, very personally with the Bills.  When their fortunes rise, perhaps your self-respect will as well.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 1:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how's the scenery on that high road?
you composed your self very well. I'm looking into getting myself a subscription to the globe right now, sounds like a great jerk.(or is it read?)

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 1:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aww you're just bein' nice
'cause I quoted you.  The Globe isn't bad, generally.  The Herald actually does better sports coverage and you don't have to read or look at Shaugnessy, which would shrivel any pole.  

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 1:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sometimes you need a little help
thats why they make the little blue pills my friend. just so you can get through the globe.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 1:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jeez
and all this time, I was using them to keep from tipping over...

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 1:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just lucky
you stumbled onto one of the few positive side affects.Hey are we still talking Bills Pats Here? I forget.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 2:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay
There's not too much to say, really.  The Pats could stub their toe here if the Bills play up to their best form.  You have a team of fighters, battlers.  I think you need to give Jauron some credit for that, at least.  He's kept them focused during a really breathtakingly unfortunate season in terms of adversity and injuries.  

But from NE's perspective, there's really only two things they need to accomplish: blunt Schobel's rush and bottle up Lee Evans.  If Lynch is in, there's a third, but that's not looking too likely.

I'd stop Schobel (or at least slow him down) by running right at him out of the gate, then changing it up to PAP to keep him guessing.  Lee gets Asante.

Buffalo needs to come out strong.  If you have to play catch-up the game is over.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 2:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true enough
you make good points I love the bills but i don't think that they are "there" yet.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 2:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheap
Seriously, what would happen if Brady were hit like Losman was?  The out cry from Pat fans would be enormous.  They'd be calling for everything from kicking the offending player out of the league to kicking the whole Bills franchise out of the league.  

Personally, I do see someone taking a run at Brady soon.  And I'll bet, secretly around the league, there would be some smirking going on if it happened.  I don't think anyone would feel "sorry" for the Pats at all.

If I were BB, I would acknowledge this, and soon.  I think is arrogance gets in the way though, just like it did during spygate.  The next time the Pats put up 35 in the first half against some bottom feeder, I'd be pulling every important player out of my line up fast.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 2:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'course they would.
That's what fans do: make an unholy, self-righteous  noise.  I'm just saying, it's probably not that cheap in the grand scheme of the NFL.  It was the first play of the game against a team that always plays us tough.  And you're totally right about pretty much everything your say:  Pat's fans would freak, and pretty much everyone around the league would think that some kind of justice had been done.

Which kind of goes to my point about spygate and the "running up the score" thing.  

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 2:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bruised egos
At some point my friend, some scrub is going to look up at the scoreboard, feel insulted, and do something out of line.  

You say spygate and running up the score is overblown.  Yeah, because you're nine and oh.  Put yourself in another cities shoes.  

Consider Barry Bonds. The outcry against him is enormous.  You know why?  Because he was a jerk.  And spygate and running up the score are considered "jerky" things.  No one feels sorry for the Pats if anything happens.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 2:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Careful who you call bottom feeder
Look I'm a Bills fan but if the Pats score 35 in the first half Sunday night you'll look stupid. You are correct in that if Brady does get taken out by a cheap shot (hopefully not by a fan with the Globe in his hands) there will be some smirks behind closed doors and it may not be too secret. I do disagree on one point, I don't think BB is arrogant. I think what everyone around the league mistakes for arrogance is actually aloofness the guy is just stale. I saw a book about him in the store the other day and i thought "that book will take me years to read because I'll keep falling asleep." (look now I'm quoting myself.)

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 2:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll be at the game.
I'm a Bills fan too.  How can you say Belicheat is not arrogant?  The league said, "Don't film the opposing coaches, or we'll fine you."  So what does he do?  That's the very definition of arrogance.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 2:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you sure
sometimes the people we all think are crazy smart are just plain crazy. Does that make him arrogant or stupid?

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 2:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on
How can you deny this?  The league said "Don't do it."  But he had to touch the hot stove anyway.  And since we all know he's not stupid, you have to assume it's arrogance.

What's up with the not shaking hands thing too?  I thought I heard that he routinely blows off opposing coaches.  If that's the case, that's no class.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 2:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cursory shakes
I don't think he's ever outright snubbed a guy, but he ain't warm and fuzzy, that's true.

I don't know jack about the guy, obviously, just what I see.  I also know he's a smart guy, so I'm guess it had a very purposeful motive behind it under the circumstances, not just arrogance.  The best take I've read this year on BB is this story on Yahoo:  Acting Out.  I think it's worth a read, if you're interested.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 2:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're a good canidate
since you're a Pats fan you should try reading that book it's called the education of a coach maybe you can stomach it enough to get through it

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 3:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's hilarious
I can't believe a coach inspired fashion.  Incredible.  

Like I said in a prior post, I can't say much about the shaking hands thing.  I just heard about it.  If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow.  If I'm right, well, it's not very nice..

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 3:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

read what you write
All I'm saying is that it could be other things, you yourself say no class, is having no class and being arrogant the same thing, I don't think it is. Maybe he's a germ-o-phobe and thats why he doesn't shake hands,(remember he pushed a camera guy out of the way so he could give Mangini a big hug. that disproves germ-o-phobia but it sounded good)and as for touching the stove anyway remember he was getting away with it until the jets turned him in. thats not arrogant thats getting away with breaking the rules. a baseball player stealing the signs from another team isn't arrogant he's helping his team win. A cheater yes arrognat I don't think so. Just a stale guy who would rather watch tape of opposing coaches hand signals than check out internet porn.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 2:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm Puzzled
You say you're a Bills fan, but you seem to support what he did.  I don't get it.

I still say it's arrogant because there had been suspicions for a long time that they were doing that.  Did other teams do it too?  I'm sure.  But once the Commish came out and said don't do it, only one team got caught doing it.  It's like he said, "Go ahead, I dare you to catch me."

As far as the hand shake thing goes, I really can't comment much.  I don't know enough about it.  I just heard that he routinely does it.  That's no class.  Even the Red Wings shook hands with the Avs after Lemeiux threw all time cheap shot against Draper.

And maybe he's seen all the internet porn already.  That's why he has so much time to prepare his team.  

Any Over/Under predictions on how many yards D Wright gets this week?  That's the key to this game I think.  If they can run the ball, they have a chance.  And he's it.  Personally, I loved the kid in preseason, but he hasn't shown me much since.  Same with Fred Jackson.  I hope one (or both) shows up for the game.  In addition, it's apparent that Lynch will less carries down the stretch.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 3:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me rephrase.
Yes, he cheated, and is a cheater.  He's arrogant because he thought he was above the rules.  He didn't think they applied to him.  Why did no one else get caught?  Because no one else thought they were above the rules set by the Commish.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 3:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's one possibility
Another possibility is that no one else got caught because no one else had a former assistant rat them out.

Yet another possibility is that he did it knowing that he'd get caught, and knowing that the commissioner would bring the hammer down on him because he knew his team could be a royal flush.  But he also knew that if his team began to think that, they'd lack the intensity needed to pull it off.

It sounds outrageous.  But this is a different kind of guy.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 3:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

say what?
now that was the biggest stretch I've heard in a long time. (put the globe down the blood needs to get back to your brain.)

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 3:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

slowly backing away...
...but I still have the Globe in my pants.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 3:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow dude..
Plastic Man couldn't make a stretch like that.  

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 3:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybee........
he took the fall for the rest of the league. He knows everybody does it, and he got caught so no one would film him. Also, no one else got caught because the Pats got caught in the first quarter of the first game......Think about this one. He esentially stoped the whole league from cheating! He sacrficed himself! His genious bogles me more and more...

by thurmanmunster on Nov 16, 2007 11:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you questioning my fan hood?
  1. Being a Bills fan and not thinking BB is arrogant are two totally different things. I wasn't defending him as much as trying to point out the differences to you.
  2. You can never get enough internet porn
  3. 75 yards for D.Wright 15 for Fred Jackson

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 3:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

back to my original point
maybe no one else got caught because they were smarter. also lets not forget BB didn't get caught his camera guy did maybe that guy wasn't wearing the proper camo.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 3:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone
Anyone know if he fired the camera guy then?

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 3:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please explain then
Please explain then how no one else got caught?  

Five bucks says Jauron doesn't look at IP.

I should have rephrased o/u question different; my bad.  I should have said total yards.  I'm hoping Jackson can catch some balls out of the backfield.  He's got good hands; he got time in practice as a WR when Aiken went down.  This'll be up to Losman I suppose.

And finally, if you don't call that act of defiance by BB as something born of arrogance, then what do you call it?

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 3:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm runnig out of arguments
1.as i said before aloofness (look it up)
2.d.Wright is still 75 F.Jack kick in another 20 receiving.
3.Like i said other teams camera guys blended in with the home crowds better.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 3:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you
How do you know other camera guys blended in better?  I'm not being stupid here, I really don't know myself.  What, was the Pats guy wearing a hoodie?

Guys like him don't make mistakes like that.  He's too smart.  Someone in an above post said they could count on one hand the amount of coaching mistakes he's made since 2001, and I believe that.

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 3:40 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gotta love those monk hoddies
don't know what he was wearing that was just a guess. you were that kid who kept asking why over and over again weren't you.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 4:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sec 220
Yo bro, maybe I was that kid.  But I did only because I was adamant in my arguments, as I can see you are as well.  We ain't gonna settle this one, that's for sure.

I'm in section 220 Sun.  You can swing by, and buy me a beer.

Peace, Go Bills...

by krytime on Nov 16, 2007 5:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

take a rain check?
sorry dude i'm not local. I'm stuck down here in the middle of jets country.be about a 5 1/2 hr drive for me. I'll be there for the giant game though.

by sireric on Nov 16, 2007 7:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outta Here
Good chatting w/ you all, but I'm going to take off for the weekend.  

Enjoy rivalry Saturday in the NCAA world (Michigan/Ohio State; Yale/Harvard).  See you on Monday and we'll compare notes.

Please don't take out our quarterback; I'm having a lot of fun this year.

Peace.

by NotJohnHannah on Nov 16, 2007 4:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NotJphnHannah
'Another possibility is that no one else got caught because no one else had a former assistant rat them out.

Yet another possibility is that he did it knowing that he'd get caught, and knowing that the commissioner would bring the hammer down on him because he knew his team could be a royal flush.  But he also knew that if his team began to think that, they'd lack the intensity needed to pull it off.'

Rofl. Man, thats some great Kool Aid.

Numerous teams either caught or complained about the blatant cheating of the Patriots. It wasnt just the Jets.

Again, quit taking long lunches in the bathroom with the Globe, and actually learn something.

As for the whole idea that Bellichik did it intentionally to get caught, lol wow man, good stuff.

The Patriots cheat. Fact. The Patriots intentionally try to injure opponents. Fact.

People dont hate the Pats because they win. They hate them because they cheat and they play dirty.

Fact.

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