Open Thread: Potential Bills Offensive Coordinators

by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2008 12:50 PM EST in Buffalo Bills Opinion

[editor's note, by Brian Galliford] This open thread originally was posted two weeks ago; however, recent events - most specifically the firings of Cam Cameron and Mike Martz - can now be taken into consideration. Plus, I'm swamped at work today, folks - so I won't have anything original up until dinner time this evening. For the record, yes, we can still continue this discussion even though we don't have a GM - we can do so thanks to the job security of Dick Jauron. :)

Disclaimer: absolutely nothing about this post is factual, nor are any of these names on the list there merely to start rumors. With just two games left in Steve Fairchild-Mularkey's career as the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills - and with Dick Jauron likely to hire a replacement within a week or two after season's end - here's a list of coaches around the league whom I (and perhaps I alone) believe could be candidates for the position.

This is, by and large, an open thread to discuss possible replacements to SF-M. Feel free to rip my list to shreds, offer names of your own, or to speculate that the Bills will hire a risk analyst in lieu of an actual offensive coach. Here's my initial list after surfing through each team's coaches this evening; the names appear in no particular order: (create a free account if you're unregistered and have something to add!)

Maurice Carthon: RB Coach, Arizona
- Carthon has recent experience as an O-Coordinator, working for Bill Parcells in Dallas in that capacity in 2003 and 2004, and under Romeo Crennel in Cleveland during '05 and '06. He's got an impressive resume, and he's an underrated candidate that has held not only three coordinator jobs, but an assistant coach position with the Jets as well. Bio

Fred Graves: WR Coach, Tennessee
- Has experience with the Bills organization, coaching wide receivers when Gregg Williams was the head coach. Has never held a coordinator job at the NFL level, but was a long-time O-Coordinator at Utah. Bio

Paul Hackett: QB Coach, Tampa Bay
- A bit of a household name, Hackett has spent three seasons as Tampa's quarterbacks coach after stints as the Jets' offensive coordinator and as the head coach at USC. He received a lot of bad press in New York, but hey - Chad Pennington was his quarterback. Bio

Hue Jackson: Off. Coord., Atlanta
- He's currently in his first season as the Falcons' coordinator; with the Falcons changing coaches, however, Jackson may find his stay shortened. Jackson was responsible for the development of Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh in Cincinnati as their positional coach. Bio

James Lofton: WR Coach, San Diego
- Hey! A former Bill! The Hall of Fame wideout has been coaching San Diego's wide receivers for 5 years, and came close to landing a head coaching job with Oakland this past off-season. He deserves a shot to move up in the coaching ranks; this post seems like a pretty good fit. Bio

Pete Metzelaars: Off. Quality Control, Indianapolis
- This one's a long shot, but Metzelaars is a popular man in this area. The former standout Bills tight end has close ties with Marv Levy and has spent four seasons with Tom Moore and Peyton Manning in Indy. He's probably not experienced enough as a coach, but hey - it'd be fun anyways. Bio

Mike Munchak: OL Coach, Tennessee
- One of my favorite coaches on this list. Widely regarded as one of the best line coaches in the league, he's been coaching Titans big men for 11 years. It might be tough to pry him away from an organization he's been with since 1982, but he could be successful with more responsibility elsewhere. He's a great motivator. Bio

Chris Palmer: QB Coach, NY Giants
- Yet another familiar name, Palmer was offensive coordinator in Jacksonville when Jauron was the Jags' defensive coordinator. Palmer has since been head coach of Cleveland and the offensive coordinator for Houston. Was Tony Romo's position coach last year in Dallas. This coach has been much-maligned, but he's got 35 years of experience and strong ties to Jauron. Bio

Keith Rowen: TE Coach, Atlanta
- Another Falcons coach likely on his way out with coordinator experience. Rowen's experience came in Arizona, where he worked under Denny Green and had a pair of explosive wideouts named Boldin and Fitzgerald. Bio

Kyle Shanahan: QB Coach, Houston
- Yes, he's the 27-year-old son of Denver's Mike Shanahan. He's already got 4 years of NFL coaching experience, and he's done a great job with Matt Schaub and Sage Rosenfels in Texan land this year. He'd be a big risk, but the pedigree - and the early coaching success - might make it worth the Bills' while. Bio

Mike Shula: QB Coach, Jacksonville
- Shula?! A Bills coach?! It makes sense; the 42-year-old has a good pedigree, a boatload of NFL experience (15 years) and was the head man at Alabama for four years before being ousted in favor of Nick ~~Satan~~ Saban. He's done good things for David Garrard this year, and could have the same success with Trent Edwards. Bio

Mike Tice: Asst. HC/TE Coach, Jacksonville
- Tice coached Minnesota for four seasons (2002-05) and had winning records in three of those seasons. His Vikings team had explosive offenses, and he's been responsible for the development of some of the Jaguars' offensive success the past two seasons. Jauron would be familiar with him; they coached against each other when Jauron was with Detroit. Bio

Ted Tollner: Off. Assistant, San Francisco
- Tollner started his coaching career with Buffalo in 1987 (WR). He was head coach at San Diego State for 8 years (no, he didn't coach Marshall Faulk), and worked with Jauron in Detroit as offensive coordinator when Steve Mariucci was head coach. Again, a former coordinator with strong ties to our fearless leader. Bio

Ken Zampese: QB Coach, Cincinnati
- The man, the myth and the legend behind the development of Carson Palmer. Cincinnati may be facing a coaching staff shake-up this off-season, so Zampese could be looking for work. He, like SF-M, has experience under Mike Martz in St. Louis' vaunted "Greatest Show On Turf". Bio

Rumblings user sireric has already made his case for Cam Cameron. (Personally, I'm against that - I don't like Cameron's decision-making process, and his style doesn't seem to mesh well with Jauron's.) Have at it - who do you think should take over for SF-M?

Update [2007-12-21 10:21:26 by Brian Galliford]: Names added to the list as conversation develops in the comments:

Eagles OL coach Juan Castillo
Former GA Tech HC/MIA Off. Coord. Chain Gailey
Saints QB coach Pete Carmichael, Jr.
Bengals OC Bob Bratkowski (if Marvin Lewis is fired)

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I doesn't have to be Cameron

But please Brian remove Paul Hack-job from this list. The guy is brutal, if any thinks that Steve Fairchild's play calling is good, then you will LOVE Paul Hackett. Also if the job goes to Pete Metzelaars, will I have to change my signature?

who would have thought I'd miss Pete Metzelaars?

by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 7:30 AM EST reply actions

ha, nope

We'd still know you were referring to the player. Don't worry, he won't get the job; your signature is safe.

Don't worry about Hackett either - he's certainly an option for the job, but I think his coordinating days are over.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 7:38 AM EST up reply actions

Thank goodness

Please be correct about Hackett. Also I agree with Nick Zampese then Tice.

who would have thought I'd miss Pete Metzelaars?

by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 9:25 AM EST up reply actions

Please

let it be Metzelaars. Bring him back as either the OC or the TE.

by Metzelaars on Jan 4, 2008 2:46 AM EST up reply actions

More candidates.

I've read that Bears' offensive coordinator, Ron Turner may take the fall for Chicago's disappointing season. He helped Chicago to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as his starting QB-no small feat. I wonder if hiring Turner would make Buffalo an attractive destination for free agent, Bernard Berrian. I also think highly of Eagles' offensive line coach Juan Castillo. A friend of mine who works for the Eagles told me that he's interviewed for a few offensive coordinator jobs the past two seasons. I think he's worth a look and of the names above, I like Zampese the most, followed by Tice.

Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Dec 21, 2007 8:06 AM EST reply actions

Re: Turner

I don't thin Turner was that big a part of the Bears' Super Bowl run - I'd chalk it up to that defense and Devin Hester first off. Turner does have experience with young quarterbacks and 2-RB systems, so maybe he'd be a good fit - but he's got to get the axe first. No thanks, by the way, to Bernard Berrian. Looking into Castillo now...

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 9:44 AM EST up reply actions

Juan Castillo

Bio

I like him. 10 years as the O-Line coach in Philly, and he's produced some very good players. My only concern is that a little of Andy Reid has rubbed off on him - we don't need a pass-happy coordinator up here. Castillo certainly ranks higher than most of the guys on my initial list, at least in my book. Good stuff!

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 10:23 AM EST up reply actions

Schobel

Hey Brian-

I know this is the wrong thread, but not really sure what the correct one is. There was recently an article in the Buffalo News about Schobel being a Pro Bowl alternate, with 0 fan votes but a decent amount of player and coach votes. Fewell singing his praises against the run. Many of us have been totally against that contract extension, did we miss something? Perhaps an idea for a column in the off season.

Sorry for the totally off topic post.

by Thronsen on Dec 21, 2007 9:15 AM EST reply actions

Re:

Saw the article. It's on my radar. This would have been a good diary... :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 9:45 AM EST up reply actions

Another question to ponder...

Keep discussing and adding names, folks. Here's another question I'll pose: what type of system will/should Jauron be looking for?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 10:28 AM EST reply actions

offense

Jauron wont go to aggressive. No west coast please (did that before). Jauron will try to get a run happy (as opposed to pass happy) guy.

who would have thought I'd miss Pete Metzelaars?

by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 11:57 AM EST up reply actions

by the way

I'm liking the hot chick pic Brian.

who would have thought I'd miss Pete Metzelaars?

by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 11:58 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah...

... not sure how she got there. Finding it difficult to complain, though.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 1:48 PM EST up reply actions

What about

Chan Gaily? If I'm not seriously mistaken he is still unemployed. He's had a lot of success as a coordinator in the NFL. He might be worth a look.

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by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 12:26 PM EST reply actions

Good call

I think we've mentioned him before, but it just slipped my mind. He'd definitely be a guy to consider.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 1:48 PM EST up reply actions

no Mike Tice please.....

Pete Carmichael Jr from New Orleans....He's an actual coach, not a professional bowler as his name would seem to indicate....

by Kurupt on Dec 21, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions

Also....

I don't want the guy who's "groomed" Carson Palmer. That guy has regressed throughout his career, and if it's due to the tutoring that Zampese has provided, then please pass...

by Kurupt on Dec 21, 2007 2:54 PM EST reply actions

RE:

I wouldn't say it's been coaching from Zampese, per se - Palmer still has some of the best mechanics in the league. He's had O-Line injuries, no running game, and whiny wideouts his entire career. That's why he's regressed so much this year; I think Zampese has solid credentials.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 3:08 PM EST up reply actions

also

don't forget his knee injury a few years back. I'm sure he's healed by now but he obviously wasn't totally healed the year after his injury in the playoffs.

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by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

I think

we mentioned Bob Bratkowski before also. He only becomes available if Marvin Lewis gets the axe though.

Boy this list is getting long.

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by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 4:31 PM EST reply actions

I almost put Bratkowski up

He probably should be on the list - so I'll add him. But I don't want him - he's been too pass-happy in Cincinnati. I want a run-first, smash-mouth, screen-passing, big-play-at-the-right-time guy. I think Jauron does too.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 5:25 PM EST up reply actions

By the way...

... which coach in this long list, sireric, is your preference? Leaning towards anybody? Is it still Cameron?

109/37. Moulds/Shockey duo. I'm going to try real hard to look you up before kickoff Sunday. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 5:27 PM EST up reply actions

My pick

I do like Cameron, I think he did a great job with those San Diego Offenses. He did have the best back in the league, and I'm not saying Marshawn is as good as LT, but they do have some similarities. I think he could do some great things. The biggest problem is that he is still employed as a head coach and I doubt that he will resign his post with the fish so that he can coach the Bills O. After thinking about it and checking over the list to pick one I might have to say Tice. He has always struck me as a no nonsense, striaght forward guy. He was a TE when he played so he knows the importance of getting the position involved. He could be the smash-mouth guy you want as well.

Right now I would have to say Tice but that can change. Besides don't go by what i think I wanted the team to hire Mike Sherman, Now I wouldn't switch Jauron for Sherman if you gave me draft pick compensation.

If not I'll take the job, you can be my QB coach.

Looking forward to seeing you. Bring your poncho.

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by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 5:52 PM EST up reply actions

Planning on the poncho

Cameron's got a new boss in the Big Tuna, though - I could see Parcells bringing in his own guy right away. In that case, you'd have to put Cammie right up near the top of the list.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 6:27 PM EST up reply actions

very true

Cameron could pull a Mularkey.

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by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

ha

Somehow, I find it disturbing we're considering a potential hire of a man who may just "pull a Mularkey".

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 7:58 PM EST up reply actions

yeah

If he did that I would cross him off my list out of general principal.

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by sireric on Dec 21, 2007 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

I think at this point,

what ever offense and coordinator Jauron brings in it better be a huge improvment. Our offense has a ton of potential and every year we bring in new coord. that cant get it done. Im even upset at our current coord. We suck in the red zone. We need someone that has a good resume at coord. No first timers. However, I think it would be a great P.R. move and a good move for the team if Jauron can reel somebody in thats familiar with the organization. Somone like Lofton, Van Pelt, or even Jim freakin Kelly. I think either guy could pull off a great job here in Buffalo. We would be sympathetic towards them when they fail at times but forgive them. They wont feel as much "HEAT" and worry about their job instead of the offense. I would overrule my feeling of NO FIRST TIMERS to get Lofton, Van Pelt, Kelly, or even Petie.

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by NYTXFAN on Dec 21, 2007 5:02 PM EST reply actions

Good point

But I think that we're more likely to bring in a guy familiar with Jauron than with the organization itself. Of the three you mentioned, I'd prefer Lofton simply because he's worked with Cam Cameron and Norv Turner in SD.

Kelly's not an option here, since he's rumored to be buying the team and all. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 5:23 PM EST up reply actions

Narrow It Down

I think we can easily eliminate a lot of candidates just taking a look at Dick Jauron and Marv Levy. Marv basically picked Jauron and allowed him to choose his own staff. So, Jauron will probably be making this decision pretty much all by himself. If you look at his history, he picks guys he's familiar with (with the exception of Fairchild) personally. I would expect our new OC to come from a former staff that Jauron was on. I would expect somebody from the Lions or Bears old staffs, wherever some of them may be. It would be nice if Marv picked the guy, though. I know Marv loves aggressive offenses, and imagine what a good offense would do for our defense.

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by ForeignArrow on Dec 21, 2007 5:50 PM EST reply actions

Going by that rule...

... it'd be down to pretty much Chris Palmer or Ted Tollner.

Completely agree about the aggressive offense. Is Ted Marchibroda looking for work?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 21, 2007 6:26 PM EST up reply actions

Question to all

After the past few days of hearing about 'promoting from within' and the players' trust in Turk Schonert, blah blah blah, does anybody truly expect we'll hire someone with experience or from another team? Throw in the GM situation up in the air and I'm not sure how reasonable it is to think that any of the guys listed (or others) really have a chance of being hired as our OC. I hope I'm wrong because I'm not high on Schonert as OC at all.

by Kurupt on Jan 3, 2008 1:08 PM EST reply actions

I suppose

The answer to that lies in who the new GM is, and how much he listens to Jauron. If the new GM listens to Jauron, and takes his advise, we may well end up with Turk. If the new GM has some stones of his own, he might go out and get somebody with some credentials. I think you can't answer the OC question, without first answering the Gm question.

Until then we can only hope and pray.

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by sireric on Jan 3, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions

GM has no bearing

I'll re-iterate my gut feeling here that the GM won't fire Jauron and won't have any say as far as coaching staff goes. However, I don't believe that Jauron will promote Schonert for the mere fact that he'd like to keep Turk as Trent Edwards' position coach. Indications all along have been that Jauron would look outside the organization for this hire; I certainly hope that speculation is true. I'm all about promoting a GM from within, but I no longer feel comfortable saying the same about the O-Coordinator.

My vote, right now, goes to Cameron - but he's going to be a hot commodity. San Fran is already rumored to be interested.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

49'ers

I hear they are after Martz as well, It was reported after he got canned by the Lions that he would get the 49'ers job.

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by sireric on Jan 3, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions

Re: Revenge factor

I wonder if the prospect of playing and defeating Miami twice per season would make Buffalo an appealing choice for Cameron? A reverse Malarkey of sorts...

Also (I may have overlooked this elsewhere on this blog) but I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bears scouting director Greg Gabriel as a possible GM candidate: from Chicago Bears Blog: Windy City Gridiron

Gabriel, a Buffalo native whose first NFL job was as a part-time film grader with the Bills, was a GM candidate at Orchard Park in January 2006 when Levy surprised the league by returning to work for owner Ralph Wilson. Gabriel has only enhanced his resume since then, and his name has come up at the Bills' offices in connection with the job.

by Zumone on Jan 3, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions

We haven't talked GM much

The only names we've mentioned here are the ones that PFT reported: Guy, Modrak (who is basically out of the race), Reese, Casserly, Dimitroff and Kuharich. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions

He sounds like the ideal candidate

Buffalo native, strong scouting sense, etc. I just don't think we'll be going outside the organziation for someone. We should, but knowing Ralph's history of 1 GM hired from the outside (good old Donohoe) and how that turned out, I bet he'll be too stubborn to do it again.

by Kurupt on Jan 3, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

Gabriel

I also like the thought of bringing in Greg Gabriel. I'm not sure the current front office setup can work in the long run as it seems like we have too many voices with equal say. Wilson's the president, Overdorf does contracts, Brandon oversees marketing, Guy looks at pro players, and Modrak looks at college players, and Levy was the ringmaster of all these voices, smoothing over tensions in the front office and winning back fans. I think a new GM with a more traditional power structure should be the goal and I like Gabriel's resume the best of the names above. Chicago has drafted well for several seasons and he has ties to the Bills. I realize that Wilson is gun shy about hiring from outside and consolidating power due to the Donahoe debacle, but I think he needs to try again. Levy/Modrak did a very good job with the draft the last two seasons, but Modrak seems to prefer working on series of 1 year contracts and I don't think he can be counted on for the long haul anyway. My vote would be for Greg Gabriel.

Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Jan 3, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions

"Gun Shy"

I recognize that argument, but if it did happen this time, it would be different. When Donahoe was hired, he was immediately given the GM and President titles. Ralph isn't relinquishing the latter, so the the outside GM wouldn't have as much power as Donahoe did. That might be a persuasive argument that the minds currently at OBD make to Ralph...

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 3, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions

cameron

i am all about going after cameron for OC. Frankly what the bills do with the GM and OC openings will tell me a lot about how committed this team is to winning. In both situations they have chances to go out and get established/experienced candidates. But, is ralph going to be cheap in the pocket books like he has in the past? Will Jauron "play it safe" and hire someone he knows? Or will this team finally take the steps they need to make themselves true contenders?

Along this line I am COMPLETELY, 100%, UNEQUIVICALLY against hiring from within. Hiring from within, to me, means that they are 1. playing it safe, 2. being cheap, and 3. not serious about doing everything it takes to win.

Simply put, hiring from within would mean they are hiring someone with no experience. That's simply unexceptable. Not with guys out there with the past experience and successes of Cam Cameron, Mike Martz, Floyd Reese, and Charlie Caserley.

If I remember corrrectly, there are only three head coaching vacancies right now (Miami, Baltimore, and Atlanta) with a few more teams looking for Offensive Coordinators (Buffalo, SF, KC)... This means that competition for these top tier candidates is far less then usual.

Baltimore and Atlanta need to find General Managers and Head Coaches before they can think about offensive coordinators. Miami also needs a head coach. and with Nolan (SF), Linehan (St. Louis), Lewis (Cincy), and Edwards (KC) apperantly safe from the chopping block right now) that means there is a historically low number of head coaching vacancies (3). Therefore, SF, KC, Buffalo are the only teams that can actively look at offensive coordinators right now. With established names like Martz and Cameron out there, there is no reason for two of these three teams not to land the cream of the crop.

No excuses this time. They have the opportunity, lets see if they're willing to take it.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 4, 2008 12:09 AM EST reply actions

Word for word agreement

I think 2008's the year Bills fans need to stop making excuses for our ineptitude. Anyone else sick of Buffalo being the gutsy underdog sniffing around the playoffs in Week 15, but never really a serious contender? Starting off slow, fighting back to respectability, and fading down the stretch is not acceptable this season. I understand that this team was in cap jail after 2000 and rebuilding was necessary. Donahoe's vision of a contender for 2003 and 2004 was a huge disappointment. Levy took over a team in turmoil following 2005 and re-shaped the roster with younger, hungrier players for two seasons, but the "learning curve" has ended. This team has to win 10 games next season and needs to contend for the forseeable future. The only way this is going to happen is by hiring the best offensive coordinator available and the best long-term GM candidate. Playing it safe, as we have all learned from two years of 3rd and goal draw plays, only gets you field goals, 7-9 seasons, and empty pats on the back for being "gutsy" and "playing hard".

Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Jan 4, 2008 7:51 AM EST up reply actions

also....

with the 4th most available cap space ($32.05 Million), NO key players set for free agents, and 10 draft picks in the '08 draft (4 of which are in the top 75), there is NO reason for the Bill not to field a team that can contend next season.

I fear the two biggest things holding this team back right now is going to be ralph's pocket book and Dick's conserative coaching style.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 4, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions

news on Martz

I know a lot of people don't like his pass-happy style, but I'd be happy giving him an interview...

i know it won't happen, becuase in the football world Jauron and Martz are like oil and water, their philosophies are just that far apart.

but anyways, at least according to Rnews (so take it with a grain of salt - i haven't been able to confirm this anywhere else) Martz WILL NOT take a coordinator position with SF.

http://www.rnews.com/Sports/Story_2004.cfm?ID=56996&rnews_story_type=39&category=3

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 4, 2008 12:17 PM EST reply actions

ESPN chat with Williamson

I threw my question out there and low and behold it got answered! Here it is:

John (DC): Matt, what's next for Cameron? OC in Buffalo would be an excellent fit. He could utilize Lynch much like he used LT in SD.

Matt Williamson: (12:03 PM ET ) That certainly is not a bad call-same with OC in Dallas if Garrett leaves. But remember, he now has a pile of $$$ from that Head Coaching contract and doesn't have to jump into anything.

John I.

by jri111 on Jan 4, 2008 12:19 PM EST reply actions