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State of the Roster: Bills Quarterbacks

Edwards likely to start in '08 (BuffaloBills.com)

Welcome to the off-season, Bills fans. The NFL playoffs continue this afternoon (and you're more than welcome to continue discussing those games in the thread below); for Bills purposes, however, we're moving on to the first step of the process leading up to free agency, which starts March 3: roster breakdowns.

So this, folks, is the first posting of what will likely be at least 13 such posts in a series we'll call "State of the Bills Roster". We'll start the discussions off with - what else - the quarterback position. Keep in mind the following: this exercise isn't entirely about talents and strengths/weaknesses as much as it is about status, usage and growth potential. This is a tool to help us predict/determine what the best plan of attack is for the Bills this off-season as they attempt to build a playoff roster for 2008.

Here's a breakdown of Buffalo's three quarterbacks:

Trent Edwards
Bills head coach Dick Jauron is very high on Edwards. As a rookie, Trent displayed the game management skills - along with an ability to avoid a lot of negative plays, especially in the sack department - that Jauron values above most everything else. Clearly, Edwards has the inside track at being the starter next season - no matter who the new offensive coordinator is. If he stays healthy as an NFL sophomore, he's likely to start all 16 games next season, especially if the Bills move their other disgruntled quarterback and can't find a suitable veteran replacement.

Edwards was used in the shotgun quite often in 2007. He had a tendency to check down most of the time as he attempted to avoid the big mistake. He was used on the roll-out often as well - more so, even, than their more mobile quarterback. Edwards, whose skills would fit well in a West Coast offense, is the prototypical game manager - he's methodical, intelligent and calculating, and that's exactly how Buffalo (tried) to game-plan around him.

Will Improve in '08 if - the Bills learn how to run an effective screen pass :: a possession receiver is added for the move-the-chains QB :: he becomes better at disguising his intentions and reading defenses

J.P. Losman
Losman is included here because despite his trade demands, he's still a member of this roster until notified otherwise. Losman - the starter for the entirety of the 2006 season - lost his job to Edwards after a knee injury and ineffective play wore thin the patience of the Bills' brass. Dick Jauron has praised Losman for the truly professional manner in which he handled his demotion, and Jauron seems to still believe that J.P. has what it takes to succeed at this level.

When Losman did play, the Bills used him a bit differently than they did Edwards - namely, Losman was still in the shotgun often, but he rolled out less and sat in the pocket more. He has more mobility and escapability than does Edwards, but his pocket presence and pocket mobility leave something to be desired. Ultimately, Losman's skills and tendencies don't mesh with what Jauron wants from the position - namely, everything Edwards provides.

Will Improve in '08 if - he sees the field :: the new offensive scheme is a bit less conservative by nature and utilizes his mobility :: he's playing for a different team

Gibran Hamdan
The coaching staff is surprisingly high on Hamdan - as proof of that, the team cut Craig Nall (whom they signed to a nice contract before '06 to compete for the starting position) to make room on the roster for Hamdan. Gibran has nice size, a strong arm and is said to possess much of the same game management tendencies that Edwards does; Hamdan just doesn't have any experience. The coaching staff may be comfortable enough to have Hamdan serve as the primary backup next season; that doesn't mean the fan base will be comfortable, however.

Will Improve in '08 if - he can pick up the new system quickly :: he sees significant chunks of time in the pre-season

Off-Season Outlook
Clearly, the Bills are unusually youthful at this position - that's not to say there's a lack of talent here (that's certainly not true), but a little more experience would be nice. The team has the opportunity to accomplish just that after Losman's demands to be traded to a new team. Don't expect a QB-for-QB swap, and don't expect the Bills to draft another quarterback either. If the team can move Losman, they'll do it - and they'll likely search for a cheap, experienced quarterback to back him up (we'll explore name possibilities at a later date). If they can't move Losman, he'll stay on - disgruntled - as the backup next season.

Possible additions: cheap, veteran backup
Possible subtractions: Losman

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It will be interesting
to see how the Bills approach the offseason. Do they build around Edwards specifically, i.e. installing a version of the west coast or go generic just in case they don't trade J.P. and he gets another chance next year.

IMHO, they will commit fully to Trent and build an offense around his strengths (accuracy, ability to checkdown).

by RabidBuffalo on Jan 6, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

West Coast feeds off of a good TE
Tight end better be one of the top acquisitions. No matter what, and of course we have heard it alot, but it is time we got a big playmaker. Yesterday watching Chris Cooley line up in the slot, in the backfield, and making Todd Collins look great made me want a player like that all the more badly.
The Bills can win every game

by killascript on Jan 6, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more
But I think if we go TE, it'll be via the draft. We've got a couple of vets at tight end; it's time to bring in a young guy who can make an impact as a receiver early, and take his time learning how to block. Martin Rucker fits that bill, no matter how early/late everyone thinks he should be drafted.

After watching Seattle wideout D.J. Hackett play yesterday (he's a free agent), I wouldn't mind seeing him line up as a Bill next season, either.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 6, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh
Trent Edwards can play in any system. I don't even see why he is best suited for any one system over another. He's a very well rounded QB. His arm strength is good enough to make all the throws (as he displayed several times during the season) and he's mobile enough to move out of the pocket. I think the way he played as a ROOKIE in the NFL earned him the starting job next season on upside alone. He never looked lost like most rookies do, with maybe the exception of the end of the Giants game. I'm excited to see how he improves himself... his mechanics, timing, knowledge, arm strength, and maturity should all improve.
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by ForeignArrow on Jan 6, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't say he couldn't
Just said he's best suited to play West Coast. That offense screams Jauron - ball control, getting the ball out of the quarterback's hands and into the playmakers'. That's something Edwards excels at as well. Yes, I think Edwards could eventually play in any system, but right now, he'd best fit in a west coast scheme.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 6, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite subject..
Here's my take on the QB's with one qualifier- I believe that the Bills have to make their move in 2008.  Because Jauron will be entering his third season with Buffalo and 1st under a new GM, because Buffalo's schedule sets up nicely with so many Pacific time zones teams heading east and the Jets and Fish down, and because Buffalo has been stockpiling younger players for two seasons and giving them ample playing time, I believe the excuses of youth and rebuilding are over next season.  2008 is grown-up time.  Trent Edwards' lack of production was off the charts last season and thus, I firmly believe it would be a mistake to simply hand Edwards the starting job for 2008.  Honestly, his performance only showed that he's not ready to play.  Maybe he'll be good enough in 2008, maybe he'll be good enough in 2009, maybe he never will be good enough, but from what we saw in 2007, he has not earned a starting job yet.  As far as Losman goes, I don't think he ever got a fair shake in Buffalo, but at this point, I don't think you can put him back in there either.  He's been yanked so many times in his career in Buffalo, that both he and the team need to part ways.  If Buffalo can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him, it's a move they need to make.  Buffalo should trade Losman, sign or trade for a veteran projected to start, and develop Edwards.  If Edwards develops quickly enough to WIN the job early in training camp next season, then we will have our QB.  But there is no way that this team that has been building to finally win next season can justify simply handing Edwards the starting job next season.  It's too much of a gamble at the team's most important position and if the gamble backfires, it could end up undoing any good Levy/Jauron have done rebuilding this team's roster over the past two seasons.  Failure next season will probably result in starting over again.
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Jan 6, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Hard to argue
I'm with you on Edwards, Nick. I don't necessarily feel comfortable knowing he'll probably be the starter next year - but all the same, it is likely. I do believe that if the team surrounds him with talent he'll be fine; he's certainly green, though.

I don't necessarily agree with your last statement either - I think that Jauron gets at least two years. Wilson likes him, the new GM still may be promoted from within, and he's got a lot of control in Buffalo. He's too entrenched right now to be one-and-done.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 6, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not necessarily 1 and done...
But just say Edwards continues to struggle and the team regresses to something like 5-11.  At that point, I'm pretty sure you'd have to get rid of Jauron and unfortunately, that would lead to rebuilding.  My expectation is that OBD is planning on a playoff appearance this season and with Edwards' ability still a question mark, they need to get someone else in there to potentially play QB next season.  You have to admit that the grace period that Jauron attained by cleaning up the Donahoe-era mess is over this season.  If the team sucks again, it's 100% on Jauron's regime.  For his sake and ours, they better come up with a veteran QB because not even a team with immense talent could be successful over a 16 game season with the 2007 version of Trent Edwards and we have nothing on film yet that indicates that there's a better version on the way.
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Jan 6, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Alzheimer's?
Have you not learned anything from the JP Losman saga? So what, you want a stop-gap veteran to come in and rob our DEVELOPING QB of valuable playing time? No, thanks. Besides, Edwards' production should jump up quite a bit if the Bills upgrade their receiving corps and install a more diverse offensive scheme.
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by ForeignArrow on Jan 6, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree
Part of me likes the idea of bringing in a vet good enough to compete with Edwards, but I agree that for the betterment of the future of the franchise - long and short-term - Edwards should probably play.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 6, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Losman
What I learned from the Losman saga is that when young QBs are named the starter without a competition and before they are ready, they fail and the team can't win.  If Edwards actually makes any type of leap towards being good enough to start before the 2008 season, he'll have no problem beating out a veteran QB (And by veteran QB, I'm not talking about some stopgap, career backup like Kelly Holcomb as the thread above suggests.  Buffalo needs to find a legitimate starter in case Edwards doesn't ever develop.).  I think it would be crazy to go into 2008 with a starting QB whose credentials are based on nothing more than blind faith.  Don't kid yourself, we all saw Edwards' rookie season and his play was miserable. Jauron cannot risk having a "DEVELOPING" roster sabotaged by a QB who isn't ready (or maybe even never had it).  If Edwards is as good as we hope he'll be, he'll beat out a veteran in training camp.  If he isn't, what exactly were trying to develop in the first place?
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Jan 7, 2008 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Edward will improve...
also if he learns hou to play in bad weather. He's been horrible in December, and that's something the Bills can't afford.

by patamunzo on Jan 6, 2008 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

what about
jp for alge crump-dawg straight up?

any takers?

by sri on Jan 6, 2008 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe...
He is hurt a lot. Plus, he may be starting to hit the other side of the hill. Methinks I'd rather get a young guy... but it's a thought, certainly. I'd still prefer DeAngelo Hall, even if he is a bit over-the-top cocky. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 6, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

With Petrino now gone
I doubt that Hall would want out of Atlanta.  If we were to get anyone for J.P. it would be someone like Shaun Rogers from Detroit.  The Lions are desperate to rid themselves of his salary (or so I hear).

by RabidBuffalo on Jan 6, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

although algernon
has been injured a little of late

by sri on Jan 6, 2008 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

profootballweekly.com hears it like this...
Despite J.P. Losman's agent saying that Losman will accept his role on the Bills in '08 if the team is unable work out a trade for him, we hear that there's no realistic chance of his returning to Orchard Park after relinquishing the starting job to Trent Edwards. Even before word leaked out that Losman wanted out, the Bills anticipated working the phones to deal him. The Bills are confident that he has enough raw potential that they can get something in return for him, but if not, they'll cut him. However, as a credit to Losman, team insiders say he graciously accepted his demotion and was a model teammate throughout his time as the No. 2 quarterback. He will depart on good terms with his coaches and teammates.  pfw

by fletcherjd on Jan 12, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

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