Buffalo still struggling to rush passer in 2008
One of the Buffalo Bills' biggest problems defensively in 2007 was their inability to consistently get pressure on opposing quarterbacks. The Bills finished the 2007 season with just 24 sacks as a team, and as a result, they fielded one of the league's worst defenses (statistically) last season. The defense did enough for the Bills to scratch and claw their way to a 7-9 record, but it was clear that without an improved pass rush, the Bills weren't going to get much better.
So the team spent the off-season getting tougher up front, and the impact was immediate - the Bills registered five sacks in a season-opening win over the Seahawks. All was well - newcomers Marcus Stroud and Kawika Mitchell registered three of those sacks, and the Bills' defense dominated, holding the Seahawks to just 10 points. Four games later, however, the Bills have added only five more sacks to that season-opening total, and the team's pass rush woes are resurfacing.
The stat that tells all
Last season, in picking up 24 sacks in total, Buffalo's leading sacker was, unsurprisingly, defensive end Aaron Schobel, whose 6.5 sacks made up what was, statistically, one of his worst seasons as a professional. The more concerning stat was that it took 12 Bills defenders to get to that 24-sack total. While it's not necessarily bad news that the Bills had twelve defenders register sacks, it does smack of the need to blitz often. Behind Schobel, no Bill had more than 2.5 sacks last season.
Nothing has changed in 2008, save the fact that the blitz is a bit more diverse and potent. The Bills have registered 10 sacks, and it's taken nine defenders to do so. Stroud leads the team with the two he piled up on opening day; Mitchell, Schobel, Chris Kelsay, Ryan Denney, Spencer Johnson, Kyle Williams, Ashton Youboty and Donte Whitner have all added one sack each to that total. It's the same deal - defensive coordinator Perry Fewell has been forced to utilize the blitz to get pressure, and while it worked early, opponents are starting to figure it out.
Quick strike offenses
Part of the Bills' issue with getting to the quarterback has been the offensive strategy of its opponents. With Buffalo employing a Cover 2 zone scheme, teams have relied on quick routes and a "possession passing game", for lack of a better term, more and more as the season has progressed. Arizona executed this attack to perfection; quarterback Kurt Warner didn't even average six yards per attempt (250 yards on 42 throws), but he completed 78 percent of his passes, moved the chains and didn't take a sack. The Cardinals basically ran the ball down Buffalo's throat via the short passing game.
It's a bit unfair to expect the Bills to put up astronomical sack numbers when opponents are running this type of offense. As it is, the Bills rank near the middle of the pack in sacks this season. Until the Bills figure out how to slow down this type of attack - a minor alteration to the coverage scheme should do it - don't expect the Bills to start adding significant numbers to their sack total. It's just not realistic.
Inconsistency starts up front
The blitz is utilized so often in today's NFL that teams are becoming increasingly proficient at picking up extra rushers. Buffalo's blitz packages are working about as well as we can honestly expect them to - the Bills aren't registering a lot of sacks, but we've seen guys such as Mitchell, Paul Posluszny and Whitner put big hits on quarterbacks this season. That's the sign of an effective blitz package.
The problem, then, has to lie with the guys on the line of scrimmage. This post isn't designed to knock Schobel and Kelsay; they're good football players. They're guys that could play on any team simply because of their energy levels (although perhaps not at their current respective salaries). They belong on the field. But there's a dimension missing, particularly on the edges, and that dimension is athleticism.
Rookie Chris Ellis - a third-round pick out of Virginia Tech - was expected to provide that athleticism this season. After an underwhelming pre-season, Ellis has yet to be active for his first NFL game. Schobel and Kelsay aren't phenomenal athletes; they're effort rushers. Those guys can work well in this league if they're complemented. Right now, Ryan Denney and Copeland Bryan aren't doing the complementing. We're still not even sure if Ellis can provide that spark if he ever gets the chance to play.
Bottom line
Basically, what it comes down to is this: the Bills' pass rush is what it is. Currently, it is a problem. As long as the team stays healthy, it has the opportunity to have some big games and be moderately proficient for the rest of this season. But Bills fans need to start dealing with the reality of the situation: Buffalo isn't an elite pass-rushing team, and the defense is going to struggle at times because of it. Understand it's going to be intermittently problematic moving forward. This Bills defense is good enough to take the Bills to the playoffs, but it's not elite - and it's not elite because it lacks an athlete at defensive end.
That's the only missing piece, folks. Perhaps Ellis is the answer; I'm not convinced. We just need to deal with the reality of the situation; anticipate the problem areas, and you'll have no reason to complain about them as the season wears on. The Bills have the ability to overcome their pass rush woes, especially when considering the schedule the team faces. But log this in your off-season observation book, and try not to break it out until the off-season arrives (whether that's the first or third week of January remains to be seen): the Bills need to address this area with a top-notch athlete in the very near future.
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But log this in your off-season observation book, and try not to break it out until the off-season arrives (whether that’s the first or third week of January remains to be seen): the Bills need to address this area with a top-notch athlete in the very near future.
Does this mean you don’t want me to do a mock draft, or give a list of free agent DEs?
Is Derrick Harvey still on the board?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Oct 10, 2008 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Had to post this: He has the Bills picking 27, which is optimistically nice.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Oct 10, 2008 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a DE and a C
One will have to be addressed via FA. Maybe the Bills will make a play for a Jared Allen type player…..HaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaa……..wait a minute……HaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…..OK, I think I am done…..where was I? O yeah, if the Bills pick up a high profile DE, (stop laughing) then C becomes the clear #1 need. Given we picked up Ellis last year and assuming he is not to lazy or stupid to play in the NFL, he should be able to crack into the rotation soon. If Ellis can play, it might be enough to make C the #1 need. I am not sure C shouldn’t be #1 anyway. If we are to keep Edwards from being nicknamed Humpty Dumpty, we need to protect him better before he can’t be put back together. Someone who posts here (sorry I can’t remember who) said Alex Mack is the best Center to come along in many years. I would be very happy if we grabbed him. If we can improve the O-line, we will have a very good offense!
by Joe P. on Oct 10, 2008 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One will have to be addressed via FA.
I don’t see a reasoning for this… why does one of them have to be a veteran?
by Brian Galliford on Oct 10, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need young blood at both positions….A Center who can start right away from the draft would be nice
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely knew that she’d come up at some point. I grew up with that generation of shows.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 10, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to lie, I watched it. And Clarrissa Explains it All. And Salute Your Shorts (oh yeah!). And Pete & Pete. And Are You Afraid of the Dark….and i’m sure there are others….
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salute Your Shorts was fabulous. Pete & Pete was very underrated. Nothing, however, will ever top Keenan & Kel. “Who loves orange soda?!”
by Brian Galliford on Oct 10, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah forgot about them….There’s a Good Burger by me and it’s surprisingly pretty good….
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was there ever any doubt it would be? :)
by Brian Galliford on Oct 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we go for Birk this offseason
That would give us a QUALITY Vet at the C position, which would allow us to draft a project C in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
That means we can spend our Rd 1 pick on a DE and a Rd 2 pick on TE, that way we shore up our Oline with a MOST needed replacement there, we have a Athletic Rusher and a TE who can run up the seam and make a play for us. Win, Win and Win right there.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Oct 10, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there some reason why the Vikings wouldn’t try to re-sign him before FA begins??
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There has been some ugliness between the two this past year
Birk wanted a new deal this past offseason and the Viking’s basically told him to go jump in a lake. They wanted him to prove himself worthy a new one, so I have a feeling that he is not going back to them even if they Franchise him.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Oct 10, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my thought was
we need two sure impact starters at those positions. You usually know what you are getting with your #1 pick and FAs for the most part if you do your home work. Now, if we had two first round picks…..
by Joe P. on Oct 10, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my thought was
that we need two sure starters at those positions. Your best odds would be to get one via FA and one via your #1 draft pick.
by Joe P. on Oct 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow Brian, that was way too kind
Until the Bills figure out how to slow down this type of attack – a minor alteration to the coverage scheme should do it – don’t expect the Bills to start adding significant numbers to their sack total.
A minor change in coverage isn’t going to give us a pass rush unfortunately. It may help the front eventually get some coverage sacks, but we don’t have much talent trying to get to the QB.
Buffalo’s blitz packages are working about as well as we can honestly expect them to – the Bills aren’t registering a lot of sacks, but we’ve seen guys such as Mitchell, Paul Posluszny and Whitner put big hits on quarterbacks this season. That’s the sign of an effective blitz package.
Getting a few hits a game on the QB isn’t really having an effective blitz. Isn’t the idea of the blitz to actually get to the ball carrier or QB for a loss? Getting there a step late isn’t that effective when the QB can still make and complete the throw.
This post isn’t designed to knock Schobel and Kelsay; they’re good football players. They’re guys that could play on any team simply because of their energy levels (although perhaps not at their current respective salaries).
Yeah, I’m going to have to go ahead and disagree here. I don’t think these two, especially Kelsay, could play for many teams in the league. Schobel would be a solid first and second down guy, but there’s no way either of them would be on another team because of their ability to rush the passer. Playing with high energy doesn’t mean they should play….
They belong on the field.
That’s what the problem has been. When they are the best DE’s we have, it’s baaaaaaddd. They belong on the field (because there is no one else and the front office refuses to try to upgrade the pass rush). Haha, there, that’s better.
Basically, what it comes down to is this: the Bills’ pass rush is what it is. Currently, it is a problem.
Unfortunately, it’s been a problem for a while now….
That’s the only missing piece, folks.
Ehhhh….we don’t have any defensive playmakers, we need an upgrade at OLB, the scheme has issues, etc. More than just the lack of one DE that can rush. In fact, it’d be nice to have two guys who can rush.
I would really like to see Ellis given a chance. I’m getting sick of watching Copeland Bryan look like a high schooler out there. Plus, what exactly does he give our ST’s that is so special and can’t be replaced? We need to give Ellis an opportunity just to see if he can give us anything and to potentially provide some kind of spark. At this point, how would it hurt? Our pass rush has nothing to give, why can’t we at least try something new? I’m worried about Ellis, if he can’t even be active over Bryan and at such a need position, how good is he???
Looks like we have to dial up more blitzes, which is ok as long as we play the CB’s up on the line. Blitzing with our CB’s 10 yards off the line is just dumb and inefficient….
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re a little too gloom and doom about this subject, K, because you’ve been harping on it for too long. Every time you talk about it, the guys we have suck a little worse. I guess that’s understandable, but you’re mixing some of my words around and missing some of my points in the process.
A minor change in coverage isn’t going to give us a pass rush unfortunately.
I never said it would. I said it would help shut down the short passing game I was referring to.
Isn’t the idea of the blitz to actually get to the ball carrier or QB for a loss?
Well, yes, but it can be effective even if it doesn’t achieve that end. Rushed throws, forced mistakes, etc. We’ve seen some of that this year (Poz blitzed on Greer’s pick-six in St. Louis, for instance), but we certainly could use more of it.
I don’t think these two, especially Kelsay, could play for many teams in the league.
That’s absurd on the Schobel end; Schobel would play for just about every other team in the league right now, and he’d play a lot. Kelsay wouldn’t be as universally received, but he’d play. I know you don’t like them, but saying that they wouldn’t play for many teams in the league is quite unrealistic. Do you honestly believe that these guys, specifically Schobel, wouldn’t be outstanding if the Bills had a Trent Cole or Mark Anderson-type rusher to complement them? If we have that guy, Schobel is a Pro Bowl end.
They belong on the field (because there is no one else and the front office refuses to try to upgrade the pass rush).
Well, they did draft Chris Ellis – even when everyone here was screaming for a tight end or a center – and the last time I checked, it’s the coaches that are leaving him on the sideline.
We don’t have any defensive playmakers, we need an upgrade at OLB, the scheme has issues, etc.
I suppose if you want to be this nit-picky, that’s your prerogative, but there’s not a defense in the league that’s without a weakness or two. My only point was that a speed rusher would cover up a lot of the flaws that you just mentioned. Maybe Ellis is the answer. I have my doubts.
I would really like to see Ellis given a chance.
Finally, something we agree on. Copeland Bryan does nothing for me. I’ve watched him closely on special teams, and while he hasn’t been bad, I don’t think his role is something that Ellis would be much of a drop-off at. We need to get #93 onto the field to see if he can help us out, though I still have my reservations. Long-term, I think Ellis is the replacement to Denney, and the Bills need to add a fourth speed rusher – in the mold of Quentin Groves (that’s for you, sireric) – as the fourth end.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 10, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I appreciate that.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Oct 10, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelsay and Denney have their uses in a DE rotation. But you simply can’t depend on both of those guys to be major cogs in your pass rush. One or the other as part of a group to be mixed in where they can excel is fine.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Oct 10, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I am far too doom, gloom, boom, zoom and other ooms on the subject, but it’s frustrating that instead of really going out to improve the rush, the FO seems to have let it get worse. Maybe they expected Ellis to have an impact from the start, maybe not, but they just keep trotting the same guys out there that haven’t provided pressure in 2 years or so.
I thought you were implying that adjusting coverage would help the pass rush, or to improve the sack numbers. My B if that wasn’t the intent. Either way, they’ve got to find a way to shut down, or at least slow the underneath passing game, with or without a pass rush.
The blitzing has had some good moments, but not enough. I’m not sure how often we’ve blitzed, but it obviously needs to be more. I like Youboty off the edge, which we probably can’t do much of until McGee is back, and the occasional safety blitz. We’ve had success there, let’s see more of that!
Whoops, I meant start regarding our two starters for other teams…Schobel would likely start in most places, I was wrong, but he wouldn’t be the every down player he is here, IMO. I’m sorry, but I can’t see Kelsay starting or playing much for many teams in the league, especially ones who are average or better. That guy just isn’t good, I don’t care what anyone says about that! Good leader, but he is poor against the run, and useless rushing the passer. Schobel is good against the run, I’ve said that for a while, but his pass rush skills have declined so fast the past few years. I think he’d be an early down guy on most teams…
I don’t understand how a good edge rusher would make Schobel a Pro Bowler again?? Schobel doesn’t get double teamed a whole lot, at least from my naked eye, so what do you mean by that? We don’t need an edge rusher as a compliment, we need an edge rusher so we can get that pressure again!
Yeah, it’s the coaches leaving Ellis inactive, but I wonder if he has shown ANYTHING to be deserving of playing….apparently not thus far.
I totally agree a good speed rusher would help us a lot, but we dont’ have that. All our weaknesses in the pass game can be exposed without QB pressure. I have doubts about Ellis too, but I’d love to see him get a chance. Seriously, Bryan really does do nothing. In fact, I think he hurts the D when they stick him out there.
Personally, I think we need to add more than a 4th DE/speed rusher. With Schobel and Denney, and Kelsay too I suppose, getting long in the tooth football-wise, we need a healthy injection of youth and talent. Schobel doesn’t look like the player he used to be, so who know what he’ll be a year from now. I wish we didn’t have so much money invested in the position because I think we need more than a 4th guy…
Oh well, I give up. Nothing is going to change any time soon here, so I should shut up about it…finally…haha. I’m just afraid we’ll see more performances like the Cards game (though hopefully not as bad) until we really start doing something about the DE position….
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speed rushers are so over-rated
I still don’t get your guys’ affection for them. For every LT, there are hundreds of Erik Flowers.
by krytime on Oct 10, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speed is the name of the game these days. you don’t see too many DE’s that are good pass rushers that don’t have good speed off the edge. I don’t care how fast a guy is, as long as he knows how to rush the passer and can get to the QB. It’ll be a welcome, and long overdue addition
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More pressure from the DE's isn't the only solution
Looks like we have to dial up more blitzes, which is ok as long as we play the CB’s up on the line. Blitzing with our CB’s 10 yards off the line is just dumb and inefficient….
While this is true, the Bills can also ask their DT’s to collapse the pocket in front of the opposing QB and/or get their hands up to obscure his view and maybe tip a few passes.
Mixing in some more bump and run type of coverages would also help slow down the quick passing game, which is often based on timing routes. Pete Carroll used to use this tactic with great effect when he was in the NFL.
IMO, the decrease in the amount of sacks has more to do with what our opponents are doing (namely, the short passing game) than a lack of talent at our DE position.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Oct 10, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can’t simply ask the DT"s to collapse the pocket. Why haven’t they done that already then? Stroud and Williams aren’t really pass rushing threats from the interior…
The decrease in sacks is because we don’t have guys who can get after the passer. We saw QB’s literally sit in the pocket and read a book all last season. Nothing has changed this year. The quick passing game has limited the blitz somewhat, but our DE’s just don’t get it done. Saying it’s just the short passing game is just making an excuse for our poor pass rushers. Other teams face the short passing game and can still get to the QB. Heck, we run a short passing game and still allow a ton of sacks. Our OT’s have gotten beaten by speed rushers, something our D definitely does not have……
~K
by Kurupt on Oct 10, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blitz Packages
Why can’t we use 2 LBs to blitz up the A-gap against “stationary” QBs such as Warner. That’ll stop runs and collapse the pocket in a hurry. Then, for mobile QBs who like to row out more, use more safety blitz from the edge. But in both instances, we need the CBs to play physical at the line of scrimmage against the opposition’s WRs, and they need to make plays on short throws. McKelvin was our 1st pick and a top 10 pick; everybody said he’s the best CB in the draft. So it’s time for him to step up and actually make some plays! When we’re down and needed plays, we should at least be trying.
Bills fan half way around the world
by moncheri on Oct 10, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to go to far off topic, but in the photo for this caption, does anyone else get the feeling that Schobel's man junk is getting walloped by James?
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Oct 10, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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