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Trade rumors surrounding Kansas City Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez are running rampant, and the idea of adding a future Hall of Fame player to a position that has long been a weakness in Buffalo is leading to tantalizing daydreams of Bills fans everywhere.  You're all acutely aware that Buffalo has been mentioned as a possible landing spot for Gonzalez, and we've discussed the topic frequently over the past several days.

It tends to be forgotten, but the Bills themselves were shopping one of their own earlier this season, according to ESPN.com reports.  No, it wasn't CB Ashton Youboty, and it's safe to say that the corner isn't going anywhere.  Instead, it was DT John McCargo, a 2006 first-round draft pick that is currently the team's fourth defensive tackle.

Brainwave!  How appealing would a young player with talent like McCargo be to a rebuilding Chiefs team?  I asked that very question of primetime07, one of a number of authors over at ArrowheadPride.com.  Could McCargo be worked into a potential trade for Gonzalez?  It's not something I'm advocating, but curiosity got the better of me.  Below, my logic to primetime07 is revealed, and his response follows.  Just some food for thought, since this potential trade is what everyone wants to discuss today...

Yours Truly: The Bills reportedly tried to trade DT John McCargo, a former first round pick, earlier this off-season.  He's struggled with consistency and drive, but when he's on, he's been very good.  He might benefit from a change of scenery, as he's currently buried behind veterans Marcus Stroud and Spencer Johnson, along with fellow 2006 draftee Kyle Williams.

How interested do you think the Chiefs would be in a player like McCargo?  He's a quick, athletic DT that fits well with what Herm Edwards likes to do defensively.  He's only 25 years old and has 3 years left on his contract; the most he'll make in a given season is $835K.  He's young enough to fit in well with the Chiefs' rebuilding plans, and from my end, there has to be some appeal for a future interior tandem of Glenn Dorsey and John McCargo in KC.  I'd love to hear your thoughts on McCargo's role in a potential trade for Tony Gonzalez, and on whether or not the Chiefs would be interested in the first place.

primetime07, Arrowhead Pride: The Chiefs would unlikely be interested in McCargo with regards to the potential Tony Gonzalez trade.  Last year we spent a third round pick on DT - Tank Tyler - who was admittedly a little disappointing in his rookie campaign.  However, he has stepped up his game in a big way this season and is turning out to be one of the more pleasant surprises along the line.  Dorsey is a rookie, but we all expect him to come along very nicely.

So, as far as starting DTs go, we like the ones we've got.

In addition to that, our line is currently composed of 2 first-round picks (Tamba Hali and Glenn Dorsey), a second rounder (Turk McBride) and a third rounder (Tyler).  The addition of McCargo would be a lot to put into an area that isn't our biggest need.  What we're really looking for is a pass rushing DE.

The Chiefs are likely looking at draft picks or bust with Tony Gonzalez.  McCargo is intriguing but we have much bigger worries on this team.

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Bummer.  Not that I was thinking Gonzalez-for-McCargo straight up (what kind of a blogger would I be if I had such insipid thoughts?), but if you're trading a future Hall of Fame tight end that's regarded as the best player at his position of all time, you might as well get some talent in return.  I wouldn't be averse to dealing McCargo, and if - at a minimum - his presence in a deal for Gonzalez lowers the asking price of the draft pick in question, I'd be for it in most situations.

Alas, primetime07's thoughts make too much sense.  Time to put to bed the notion that any Bills player - whether it's McCargo, J.P. Losman or Fred Jackson (ha!) - will appear in any deal for Gonzalez.  I thought it was a good idea; alas, I've been wrong plenty.

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How about a 3rd rounder for Gonzo

and throw in JP if KC wants a little more value?

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Oct 13, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you really want to see what Hamdan has?

I don’t. The Bills need to keep JP this year as Edwards will miss more time before all is said and done.

by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have more faith in Hamdan then J.P.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Oct 13, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugghhh… if the Chiefs aren’t taking McCargo, then they’re CERTAINLY not taking Losman. I mentioned in the article; apparently, it bears repeating: Losman isn’t going anywhere BECAUSE OTHER TEAMS DON’T WANT HIM. :)

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any evidence of that

or just speculation because he’s a FA at the end of the season? KC could re-sign/extend him before his contract is up.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Oct 13, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it needed? Mostly it’s because he’s a UFA, but why on earth would any team extend Losman right after they trade for him? That just doesn’t make a lot of sense, because Losman remains an unproven commodity.

It’s not happening. It just isn’t.

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Over at AP we’ve tried to hash out what we want to do in free agency this offseason and Losman’s name came up.

It’s quite an extensive review of what we should do by one of our readers. Check it out here to see him state his case for Losman in ’09.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Losman has his upside

He just never realized it in Buffalo with any consistency. He wouldn’t be a bad signing in the offseason given that he has a cannon for an arm.

by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

60% of his throws the last two seasons…considering out current situation I would be content with Losman as a stopgap until we find out guy.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to answer your question that is coming

Yes, our QB situation is so dire that Losman is a massive upgrade at this point.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My condolences

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 13, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

And I love your sig!

by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but the difference is FA vs. trade. Nobody in their right minds, including the Chiefs, would trade for Losman when you can sign him as a free agent.

How in bloody hell did this turn into another Losman debate? John McCargo, people!

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But…but…Brian…McCargo’s not fun to argue about…sniffle

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Oct 13, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not really a debate

While a few Losman Haters want him gone no matter what, most of us realize that he’s going to be needed if Buffalo is going to have a shot at the playoffs.

by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ew… “Losman Haters” is a dirty phrase.

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct

Losman would be icing on the cake in this deal if it also included a draft pick.

But hopefully we take a look at him after the season is over.

As far as DTs go, that’s just not a need for us at this point. I’d rather take the 3rd rounder and pick up a guard.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a Losman debate in my book, but it makes some sense for KC

My thinking was that the Chiefs could sign him for less if they traded for him than if they wait for him to hit the open market. I don’t hate Losman by any means, I was just thinking of him as a means for the Bills to sweeten the pot a little. KC needs a competant QB – Losman may not be an ideal fit, but he’s better than what KC has right now, IMO.

If we did trade Losman, I guess we would be in a bit of a bind if Edwards is out for any significant length of time, but it might be a risk worth taking, especially if TG can bail Trent out of bad situations.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Oct 13, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another possibility

Trade one of our CB’s to KC, plus a lower round pick for TG. Just a thought…

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Oct 13, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

If the Bills do swing this deal and give up just draft picks as primetime07 suggests the Chiefs want; who do the Bills cut to make room for him on the 53? That is something that would have to be considered also.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Oct 13, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would hazard a guess at Corey McIntyre.

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Schouman

by labill on Oct 13, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Schouman is coming along as a blocker. He had some decent blocks both on the line and from the HB position in the Cards game.

by Ron From NM on Oct 13, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this isn't Madden2009

you can’t just throw in D+ talent…The Chiefs I bet will get a 2nd for him and maybe more being Shockey was a 2nd and 5th. if the Bills can sweeten the pot to a 3rd and conditional pick I think that would be shrewd and a good solid fair deal

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Oct 13, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gonzalez

How badly does KC want to trade him? Will they lower their asking price to move him?

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Oct 13, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not likely

Our GM is a tough, tough negotiator (read: stubborn). Plus, TG is an all-time favorite in KC.

by Joel Thorman on Oct 13, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Shockey also has alot more years on him that Tony.

by jdol1568 on Oct 13, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he’s also a much worse player.

~K

by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzalez old

A team willing to pony up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Gonzalez would be one who thinks that Gonz is the “missing piece” for a Super Bowl run. At 32 yo, he cannot have more than a year or two remaining.

Is the level of talented teams in the AFC such that the Bills could make a deep run??

Maybe. We’ll find out more next week when the Chargers come to visit.

by Draft Tek Guy on Oct 13, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No Doubt!!!!

It’s no doubt in my mind that the addition of Gonzalez would take this team to the next level. It would make double teaming Lee Evans a real liablity leaving single coverage on Gonzalez. It’s worth considering because his presence alone will raise our red zone success rate instantaneously. Every way you look at it this just makes sense, and if a team is serious about winning these are the types of moves the owner will make to prove it to their fans. Say what you will about the Cowboys&Redskins owners but those guys go get the players they feel their teams need to be succesful. So with that being said come on Ralphie boy give the okay to go get that player that may just propel your team back into the Super Bowl. Who knows things may go our way this time around on Super Sunday, but in order to find out we need all the help we can get.

by Bdot on Oct 13, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

also

Tony could be the perfect mentor for Hardy. Gonzo has made his career using his height and strength to position his body to make catches over undersized defenders. Hardy needs to learn this and Gonzo is the best teacher there is.

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Oct 13, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Chiefs need a pass rusher how about we deal from our strength and offer either Kelsay or Denney?…Oh Wait.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Oct 13, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually think

Kelsay has been playing better than Schobel as of late

by jdol1568 on Oct 13, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Kelsay?

The article claims they are looking for pass-rushing DE, maybe we could move Kelsay who is way over priced anyway and give Ellis his chance (he looked good in Pre-Season)

4th rounder + Kelsay => Gonzo

Then we go and get a top DE in the draft and move Schobel to the right side.

by keysh67 on Oct 13, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is another deal that the Chiefs wouldn’t go for in a million years. You do realize that “Kelsay” and “pass-rushing DE” fall under completely different categories, right?

If the Bills had a speed rusher, they’d keep him. It’s going to be draft pick(s) for Gonzalez or bust.

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Schobel is already on the right side. I’m assuming you meant switch him to left end?

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billions

KC is unlikely to take the billion dollar contracts of Schoebel or Kelsey.

by labill on Oct 13, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would we trade McCargo?

He’s young, shown some flashes, but still has a lot to learn. Why give up on him already?

More importantly, what happens if we trade him then one of the other 3 DT’s goes down? We’re totally screwed then as there is no other depth on the roster at DT. I don’t want to worry about our run D going down the tubes because we don’t have any depth.

And again, why would the Chiefs even consider a player from another team?? They are in rebuilding mode, and draft picks are gold for teams in those situations.

~K

by Kurupt on Oct 13, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would we trade McCargo?

Not saying we would, just pointing out that the team has reportedly tried.

by Brian Galliford on Oct 13, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If this trade actually happened

for any of the options everyone has mentioned on this thread, we would all be thrilled. I think those that say we shouldn’t give Losman or a 2nd round pick are trying to hold their excitement in contempt, should we not get Gonzalez. If we all are honest we would not have any issue absorbing his salary or giving up Losman, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 3rd and a 5th, etc., should the announcement be made that “the Buffalo Bills have added Tony Gonzalez to their team today.”

by Buffalonian on Oct 13, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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