Kool Aid
I have never drunk the Kool Aid. And this game is why.
We hear here about how Trent is the ‘Heart and Soul of the offense’. We hear about how ‘JP played badly and helped lose the Arizona game’.
Not that what people say on this board matters. But by far the worst thing I have ever heard said by a member of the Bills in 30 years was Donte Whitner and his ‘Well <token acknowledgment of responsibility>, it wasn’t really the defenses fault, giving up 41 points, we might have won at Arizona if Trent was playing’.
We have far far worse problems on this team then the difference between Trent and JP, which is relatively minor.
- Our defense is nowhere near as good as we thought it would be, at least against real teams.
- Our pass rush is one of the worst per $ in NFL history
- Our O-line is terrible in run blocking, and bad striving to be mediocre in pass rush.
- No legitimate #2 WR
- No TE
It might have been tough to predict Peters moronic holdout and disintegration, or McGees injury. (Although we did draft 2 CBs in the first 4 rounds, in addition to our starting 2 CBs returning.)
But our ridiculous problems at DE are well known, as is our multi year lack of #2 WR. And our lack of TE, given Edwards obvious love for TEs, is disgraceful.
We have played very weak teams this year. Has anyone in the history of the NFL ever played 2 teams in 5 weeks which then had their coaches fired? Another 2 teams with 3+ injured starters at a single position? Not to mention that we have yet to beat a single team with a winning record.
People have been way, way too blinded by our ‘winning’ record.
People have been way, way too blinded by Trent wins/JP loses.
This team has many many problems. Not the least of which is a defensive captain giving up 41 points and blaming someone not on the field as they were scored.
The fascination with the QB is completely misplaced. There are a half dozen other positions which are far bigger problems.
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Our defense is nowhere near as good as we thought it would be, at least against real teams.
Forgive me, but holding San Diego to 14 points – the Chargers are a “real team”, whatever that means – is a good performance.
You might want to say “… at least on the road.”
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 6:35 AM EDT
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Im a bit surprised that thats all you took away from my post.
I figured it was known the SD game was on the road btw.
Miami held them to 10.
But if you think our defense is playing well, I guess we have to agree to disagree.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 7:32 AM EDT
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I don’t think they’re playing well – I think they’re playing inconsistently.
Miami’s got a good defense. I really wish people would stop underestimating them.
I got the gist of your post, btw. Everyone’s quick to point out all our weaknesses, but we’re still 5-2. I’m focusing on this season.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 7:44 AM EDT
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If you think the gist of my post was focusing on seasons other then this one, not sure you actually got it.
Ditto for parading 5-2.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 8:21 AM EDT
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You keep saying the Fins,
who were 1-15 last year are a good team. Is there any teams that are not good teams and do we play any of them?
by Joe P. on
Oct 27, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Hahaha. They aren’t as bad as last year, but they still aren’t a very good team. That is true….
~K
by Kurupt on
Oct 27, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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A lot can change in a year. About half of Miami’s starters are new guys that Parcells brought in. I don’t think we can use last year’s records as a legitimate assesment of anything other than what happened last year.
by kaisertown on
Oct 28, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
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We play the Chiefs and 49ers this year. Those should be two easy wins.
I’ll now proceed to knock on wood for about a half hour…
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 28, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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I also find it weird that you call me out on my comment about the defense, then say you dont think they are playing well.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 8:23 AM EDT
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I wasn’t calling you out – merely pointing out that I have a difference of opinion on when they’re bad. You said against good teams; I say on the road. Our defense has been pitiful on the road. That’s not the case at home.
The gist of your post is that, basically, we’re all morons for liking the fact that we were 5-1 going into yesterday, and you’re a genius for “not drinking the Kool-Aid”, as you put it. You point out that there are problems that go beyond common fan interpretation – I got that as well. You also mentioned that the way fans interpret Trent’s play and Losman’s play is ridiculous – and while I hate seeing yet another “Trent vs JP” discussion, even if only by tangent, I agree with you. I’m not disagreeing with you on your main points in the least – just that, at 5-2, there are worse spots to be in.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 8:53 AM EDT
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so sick of having to apologize for the schedule we have played. That is such a ludicrous argument. I cannot stand that argument. Those are the same people that if we were 2-5, would say “yeah but we are only 4 plays away from 5-2.” As Bill Parcells always says, “you are as good as your record.” And that is so true. We are 5-2 right now. Don’t rash to judgements because we lost to a well-coached, disciplined Miami team on the road who has beaten S.D. & NE. Let’s just face it. We are a good football team, but we are not head & Shoulders above anyone. We have to play well, execute and do all those things every week to win. It’s that simple. We need to go 7-1 at the Ralph and win 3-4 road games to make the playoffs. We have won all 3 of our home games and are 2-2 on the road.
I completely agree that we have a lot of weaknesses, but so does every other team. If the coaching staff continues to evolve, and players are held accountable to get better, than there is no reason we don’t beat the Jets this Sunday, move to 6-2 on the season at the half way point, and set up the game of the season at New England in 2 weeks which is where any Bills fan would have wanted to be going into this season. It IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY, but if you want to jump on the team every time they lose a friggn game, and hit the panic button, you might as well be a Cowboys fan
MARVelous
by MARVelous on
Oct 27, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
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It gets a bit ridiculous. People wield the 5-2 record like a sword, WE MUST BE GOOD BECAUSE WE ARE 5-2.
When people point out that the 5 teams we have beaten were/are crap, its like sacrilege.
I really resent people saying that Im not a Bills fan, simply for point out facts. Frankly, if you havent been to a home game in the 70s, and cheered through 1win seasons, frankly who the heck are you?
At the end of the day, we have an inflated record because we have played crap teams. You can make personal insults to me if you like.
But I notice 2 things:
1. No one defends points like we are the only team in NFL history to play in 5 games 2 teams that fired their coach.
2. No one wants to bet that we win a playoff game.
Running up a record on crap, and maybe making the playoffs might be good newspaper.
But it doesnt win the superbowl.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 11:11 AM EDT
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100% agree….
Other than the Jax win, I’m not too thrilled about any of them, and that one isn’t all that great. SD win was nice, but they just aren’t very good this year. The record is inflated a bit compared to how good this team actually is. However, being 5-2 is nice in that we can still make the playoffs where anything can happen. Unfortunately, this team has fatal flaws that will prohibit them from winning if they get there. Teams simply don’t win in the playoffs without a pass rush, defensive playmakers and poor coaching. It just doesn’t happen.
~K
by Kurupt on
Oct 27, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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You guys make fair points…
Record of teams we’ve beaten: 12-24 (.333)
Record of teams we’ve not beaten: 7-7 (.500)
… but we can only play the teams on our schedule. I don’t want to bet that we win a playoff game because we’re not there yet. But to criticize the team for potentially making the playoffs because they have a soft schedule isn’t fair, IMO. It’s not like we can say “Ahem… go ahead and scratch Oakland, we’d rather play the Giants to prove ourselves.”
We need to win our home games. If we can go 8-0 at home* and find a way to win another game or two on the road, we should be good.
- and by this, I mean 7-0 at The Ralph and 1-0 at “The Rog”.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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Nobody is criticizing the team if they make the playoffs based on the soft schedule. We’re saying the reason we have a 5-2 record has more to do with who we’ve played, than how we’ve played. It’s not criticism, just an observation. Watching this team sputter at various points in pretty much every game is where the criticism should lie. Yeah, we can’t help who we’ve played, but we have lost to the only team with a winning record and the team with the next best record on our schedule. I think that is rather telling about how good this team actually is.
~K
by Kurupt on
Oct 27, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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Strength of opponents
If you find it interesting, based on the 2008 campaign the strength of opponents for the 32 NFL teams are the following, as of today (sorry for the bad formatting):
TEN 0,33
NYJ 0,36
BUF 0,36
NYG 0,38
NE 0,38
GB 0,42
DEN 0,44
HOU 0,44
ATL 0,46
PIT 0,47
CAR 0,47
DAL 0,48
BAL 0,48
WAS 0,48
SF 0,48
CHI 0,49
OAK 0,49
IND 0,50
NO 0,51
DET 0,52
TB 0,54
PHI 0,54
MIN 0,56
SEA 0,56
CLE 0,56
MIA 0,56
SD 0,57
ARI 0,59
JAC 0,62
STL 0,63
KC 0,64
CIN 0,65
by patamunzo on
Oct 27, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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Just wondering, but what do those numbers mean? Does this mean we have the 3rd easiest schedule, as would seem to be the case?
~K
by Kurupt on
Oct 27, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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Yes, that’s exactly what it means.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
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Sorry
The number means that we HAD one of the easiest schedules so far.
First of all, there was an error (SEA vs SF was not counted, reducing the strength of SEA from 0,29 to 0,17) but it does not change that much.
The number it’s the average “strength” of the opponents against which the teams played, where strength is win/total. So for example buffalo played against Seattle (2-5 , that is 0,29), Jacksonville (3-4 that is 0,43) and so on. the value is the average of these figures (and, with the correction to seattle, it makes 0,38 instead of 0,36 for Buffalo, by the way)
For what is worth, the average strenght of the upcoming opponents is about 0,49
by patamunzo on
Oct 27, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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‘The gist of your post is that, basically, we’re all morons for liking the fact that we were 5-1 going into yesterday, and you’re a genius for "not drinking the Kool-Aid", as you put it.’
Really? Where did I use the word morons? Pretty sure Ive had posts yanked off this board for less offensive words (though I suppose it depends on how offensive you find the word moron).
I think its a legitimate argument to question a post which calls Trent the ‘Heart and Soul of the Bills team’. Those are your words, not mine.
And I think its a very legitimate argument to point out that the difference between Trent and JP is minor, and that there ARE MAJOR ISSUES on this team that have nothing to do with what you proclaimed as the heart and/or soul.
The sooner that people realize that the QB issue is a distraction, and focus on the real problems, the better. Instead of claiming I called you a moron, when I didnt.
And this completely ignores Whitners absolutely terrible comment that JP might have been responsible for the Arizona loss.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
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I cannot fathom how you have such a problem with me when I’m agreeing with 99% of what you said.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
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Sorry with the moron comments, etc, I didnt think you were agreeing with me at all.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
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Yeah, apologies here, too. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Reality Check
It seems you consider yesterday’s game as a showing of the “true face” of the Bills.
I agree we are not a top 10 team now. Most of your comments are on target – poor pass defense, no pass rush, too many drops by TEs. But they refer to a game, not to the whole season.
And it is true that we faced below-average opponents. But luckily we will continue to. We have KC, SF at home, and CLE on MNF. All manageable games. We have played 4 out of 7 away games. The schedule is still a strength for us, we only have to win our division games at home and we’re almost sure to go to the playoff. (I don’t consider having an easier schedule as a “team weakness” as some other people do).
One other thing: we DID play a sloppy, horrible game. But we don’t CONSISTENTLY play that bad, at least IMHO. Our O performed above average at times, and sometimes was even briullant. Our D did consistently stop opponents in crucial drives in some of the previous games. Is NE a mediocre team due to the horrible loss to Miami? 2 bad games are a “bad smell”, so to speak, but you can’t project it on all of our season.
Come on, the glass is still half full. Of what, it is another matter entirely :-)
by patamunzo on
Oct 27, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
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You are correct. We have faced crappy opponents, and we will largely continue to do so.
I guess my point is to separate the quality of the team from our record.
Will anyone give me odds, for money, that the Bills win a playoff game this year?
Seriously.
Dont get me wrong, I enjoy the ride. But I think that many of the posts on this board recently have gotten ahead of themselves.
And I certainly think that Whitners comments were a complete disgrace.
Look, if this board is now a Bills bandwagon, let me know. Im here for a discussion, and if all I get back is 5-2! 5-2! then lets save both of our time.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 9:36 AM EDT
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Do you have a link to the Whitner comment? I don’t recall him saying that…
Of course this blog is a Bills bandwagon… it’s about the 5-2 Bills, you know. Isn’t what we’re doing here discussion? You seem angry, but I don’t get the sense that anyone is disagreeing with you here on a major scale.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
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Life is a ...
And then you die. I’ll think about the playoff after we make them. And the ensuing hangover :-)
by patamunzo on
Oct 27, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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Will anyone give me odds, for money, that the Bills win a playoff game this year?
I would say the odds are not good, but who ever claimed that they were?
There were only 6 teams who won a playoff game last year. Seriously, 6 teams. It is a huge achievement and one this team probably isn’t ready to make. IF the Bills can win the division, which they are still in decent position to do, then they have a game at home where we can beat anybody. I say the odds the Bills win a playoff game are about 1 in 7. Odds that I would have been excited about going into the season.
by kaisertown on
Oct 27, 2008 9:59 AM EDT
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NFL Network's
Warren Sapp, in a prediction segment called “Locks,” said if the Bills go 6-1, they go to the Super Bowl. Warren drank the kool-aid.
The sting of this loss is BAD because it is a Parcell led Dolphin squad. Ouch, ouch. He has always had the Bills #, and I don’t have to say anything about the ’Fins. It might heat the rivalry back up to historic intensity.
Miami was smart to pick on McGee and Fewell didn’t respond. Edwards could be a great QB someday, but he looked pretty average-to-bad yesterday. I can’t stand it when a player holds the ball out extended over a pile when he is going for a first down. That play is going to be hard for Trent to watch in film review.
by thurman on
Oct 27, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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6 teams win a playoff game each year. In a 32 team league.
To quote Homer Simpson:
‘Sick on a Saturday!?!? What are the odds? 1 in a million!’
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
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Mediocrity
We played pretty mediocre football yesterday. IMO, it was NOT the players fault. Not even McGee’s fault. Today’s (Monday) Rochester paper arrived to tell me that McGee admitted that he was not even close to 100% for the game. DUH. Now knowing that fact straight from the horses mouth, the blame rests squarely with the coaches for yesterday’s loss. IMO the players played pretty good, given the below mediocre schemes we used.
Our D schemes seem to be based on fear. We will not win consistently playing scared. Fewell (or DJ?) too many times position our troops to counterpunch the other team rather than bust their chops right away. Attitude. We need BEAST attitude in our coaching staff. We play good man to man, so line up close to the line, jam their receivers at the line and stay close. Mitchell is our best blitzer. Send him more often and move him around. McGee not at full speed? Rotate him out more and, when in, give him safety help on EVERY play. See the fins throwing short to medium passes in front of our zone all day? Change. “Dr. it hurts when I do that. Then don’t do that.”
On O, time to rethink all our run blocking schemes. IMO we pass block pretty good. No complaint from me there. If I were king, I’d watch hours of game tape featuring the best running teams and try to learn from their success. How does their run blocking schemes differ from ours? The weakness at center affects our run blocking more than we can imagine. It is the anchor position and we are sorely lacking. Brian and Geronimo keep telling us that the coaches like Melvin(That is the one factoid that baffles the crap out of me). If this is really the case, the coaching is a bit worse than I thought. Our C position is dragging down the entire offense and especially run blocking. Why run it up the gut so often knowing that you probably will not get even a mediocre push from the center? Puts a damper on sweep blocking too. The adjustment we made after Reed left to use Lee to move the chains was not a good one. We may not have a decent answer to that one, but Lee needs to go deep MUCH more often. Good coaches devise plays and schemes that fit their players strengths, not necessarily what they like. I’d run Hardy on curl ins and post slants a lot more. Inside the red zone, the fade. I would not line Reed up outside. He seems to thrive in the slot. Let him own it. I’d run Marshawn outside the guards almost all the time until C is changed. BTW, is it just my imagination or does Marshawn prefer to run right? I think he does. He seems to cut better running right, especially outside the tackle.
The players seem to have a much more aggressive attitude than the coaches. I sense they feel they can play with anybody. The coaches seem to be timid. Not nearly enough beast mode from them. Especially Fewell. The first couple of games we showed it. Winners have an attitude. Time to show more confidence in our players. Fewell should go trick or treating dressed up as King Kong. Now if I could only stop dreaming of Kent Hull.
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by keuka121 on
Oct 27, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
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agreed….playing scared is absolutely ridiculous and it appears that’s how our D plays. They are not put in position to succeed. I don’t know why McGee was forced out there this week after we played without him and Youboty last week as well. SD’s passing game is MUCH better than Miami’s, so it’s not like we should expect McKelvin and Greer to do that much worse. Instead we had an injured McGee playing 15 yards off Ginn on every play. Just pathetic. Come on coaches, at least give these guys a chance to succeed and make plays.
~K
by Kurupt on
Oct 27, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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The coaches you mention got a 3 year extension prior to the game.
I repeat, dont be blinded by the record. This team has serious problems. And its not JP.
by Thronsen on
Oct 27, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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Actually, only Jauron got a 3-year extension. He can do whatever he wants to his staff. I don’t think he’s married to Fewell, either – if the D doesn’t turn around, I wouldn’t be shocked to see a change there. Especially with a guy like Rod Marinelli (Tampa 2 experience… good Tampa 2, that is) potentially on the market.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Ron Rivera please
He is on a one year contract as LBs coach for the Chargers, and he knows DJ quite well and the two of them get along.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on
Oct 27, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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Rivera and DJ? That makes sense… did they coach together? I was under the impression Rivera was strictly in charge of Lovie Smith’s defense. More info here would be lovely.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 27, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rivera
I was surprised to see he is the linebackers coach for SD too. He was a guy getting some attention as a possible head coach just a few years ago.
DJ’s last year in Chicago was 2003. Rivera was the linebackers coach in Philly that year and got the job in Chicago the year after Jauron left. The two have no connection to my knowledge. He still seems like one of the top candidates if Fewell isn’t brought back next year. I would still prefer someone who excels with the defensive line like Marinelli though.
by kaisertown on
Oct 27, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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I thought you said it was to early to speculate on Fewell's replacement?
Just saying….
by Joe P. on
Oct 27, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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I’m not speculating. I think Fewell’s going to turn it around.
by Brian Galliford on
Oct 28, 2008 6:35 AM EDT
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Something that has been underestimated...
From what I have read, most people seem to have underestimated how important the bye week was for the Bills. Not just for getting healthy, but for the coaching staff. They seem to do a good job when they have a ton of time. The less time they have, it seems their adjustments either don’t work or just plain don’t happen.
For example, seems like often their half-time adjustments work pretty well, but forget about seeing them adjust in the middle of the game, even when a particular formation or play is getting destroyed. When they have the extra bye week to prepare…awesome results. When they don’t, it seems they have often been outcoached in the initial prep for the games (one of the main reasons for several slow starting games?).
I think this issue has been only touched on, and I think the bye week was a HUGE factor in the Bills’ success against the Chargers, as well as it being a home game for the Bills.
by thefourwinds on
Oct 27, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
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I have never drunk the Kool Aid. And this game is why.
I hate the phrase “Kool-Aid”. I get what it means and where it comes from, but where do you see the fans on this blog going overboard? Just scrolling through the titles for all of the recents fan posts and all of Brian’s articles, I don’t see one thing that makes me roll my eyes or think that people are getting ahead of themselves. You criticize fans for “drinking the kool-aid” and then criticize us for not thinking the Bills can win a playoff game? I’m not sure what the point of this post was. I think Brian’s initial reaction was right and you are just patting yourself on the back for not believing in the team. Well congratulations, you were right, the Bills aren’t the best team in the league. Thank you for enlightening all of us to the Bills’ flaws.
- Our pass rush is one of the worst per $ in NFL history
- No legitimate #2 WR
- No TE
We all knew that already. I don’t see what the point is of bringing it up. Again, nobody is claiming that the Bills are a super bowl contender. Nobody on the blog thinks they are some virtual lock to win a playoff game.
We have far far worse problems on this team then the difference between Trent and JP, which is relatively minor
Obviously the team has plenty of weaknesses, but how many teams don’t? I also disagree that the difference between Trent and JP is minor, but that isn’t a debate worth having.
Our defense is nowhere near as good as we thought it would be, at least against real teams.
I totally disagree with this. Real teams? Which teams are real and which teams aren’t? Here are the point totals teams have scored against us from the most to the least and the amount of points they score per week:
41 – @Arizona – 28.6
25 – @Miami – 20.7
23 – Oakland – 15.3
16 – @Jacksonville – 20.1
14 – @St. Louis – 16
14 – San Diego – 28
10 – Seattle – 20.6
I don’t see any correlation between teams which are “real” and the amount of points the Bills give up. Any chance you can expand on that claim? Brian’s belief that the defense is worse on the road makes much more sense.
The fascination with the QB is completely misplaced. There are a half dozen other positions which are far bigger problems.
Actually I will go against what my head is telling me to do and bring up the Trent vs. JP thing. You are definitely right that people have overreacted to both guys records as starters. But the difference between the two guys in terms of decision making and accuracy is enormous. Trent works his progressions so much more efficiently than JP and his decisions are obviously much better. Do you really think this team would be 5-2 with JP as the starter? I’m not sure we beat Jacksonville on the road or SD at home with Losman.
To be quite honest, if I wanted to see this love the Bills after they win and the sky is falling after they lost coverage of the team, I would watch ESPN. This is just another ridiculous overreaction to one game.
by kaisertown on
Oct 27, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
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ouch
Ralph Kramden: “Pow, right in the kisser”
I don’t think he was trying to gloat or say how great his preseason thoughts might be. Rather, I think he was referring to all the Bills fans who claim this team is a SB contender and has arrived at the elite level in the NFL. There are plenty of those fans out there, maybe not so much on Rumblings, but definitely on other Bills sites around the Webs.
I really don’t think the QB comment has anything to do with Trent vs. JP. Rather, instead of blaming Trent for the poor play leading to a loss yesterday or JP for the loss to AZ, there are far greater problems on this team leading to poor play.
~K
by Kurupt on
Oct 27, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
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Rather, I think he was referring to all the Bills fans who claim this team is a SB contender and has arrived at the elite level in the NFL. There are plenty of those fans out there, maybe not so much on Rumblings, but definitely on other Bills sites around the Webs.
That is kind of exactly my point. I don’t see anyone on this site saying that the Bills are a super bowl contender or one of the elite teams. If people are talking about that on other sites, than well, that is the reason I don’t go to other sites. If Thronson thinks other Bills sites are overreacting to their good start (record-wise) than why doesn’t he go post this on one of those sites.
I really don’t think the QB comment has anything to do with Trent vs. JP. Rather, instead of blaming Trent for the poor play leading to a loss yesterday or JP for the loss to AZ, there are far greater problems on this team leading to poor play.
My bad, after re-reading his post I see that all the JP vs. Trent stuff is about something Whitner said. Right? I never pay much attention to what players say after games, so I missed whatever he was referencing. I could care less who blamed who for what. These guys are professionals and if that stuff actually bothers them than they have the wrong job. Thanks for pointing that out to me though. The last thing anyone wants is a JP vs. Trent debate and I should’ve stuck with what my head was telling me and not brought it up.
by kaisertown on
Oct 27, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
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It's cool....
I think he was generalizing while you were looking at this group of Bills fans specifically. No problems.
There should be no JP vs Trent debate EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
~K
by Kurupt on
Oct 27, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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nothin' like a loss to the fish
gets our juices flowing. This site is good for real discussions, and this post/thread is a great example. It helps me work through some of my thoughts. Thanks.
by thurman on
Oct 27, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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Thronson
Isn’t there something to be said for a young, up and coming team to have a soft schedule, one that is soft enough to at least get them into the playoffs even if they don’t deserve it, because of its effect on their future performances and mindset? Even if we don’t deserve our record because of the teams we play, I think the effect of making the playoffs on young players like Trent, Marshawn, Fred (who is young experience wise), Donte, Poz, etc is an extremely valuable asset that will make this team better in future seasons. Confidence is a big part of this game.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on
Oct 27, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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Im not sure how to do quotes here, so bear with me.
‘I hate the phrase "Kool-Aid". I get what it means and where it comes from, but where do you see the fans on this blog going overboard?’ – kaisertown
After ‘JPs’ ‘loss’ to Arizona, there was a huge post about how Trent was the ‘heart and soul’ of the Bills team.
I objected to that, and got slammed.
I objected to the characterization that JP was the reason we lost to Arizona, and got slammed.
On this board. Look it up if you like. And not by people with 1 post.
I think its now pretty clear that the difference between our #1 and our #2 QBs is one of the least of our worries.
Talk about Pow right in the kisser. If this last game wasnt an eye opener Im not sure what else would be.
by Thronsen on
Nov 3, 2008 8:08 AM EST
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And for the Donte Watch.
Hey Donte. Coughed up some more points today again I see. Was this also JPs fault?
‘Team’ ‘captain’ indeed.
by Thronsen on
Nov 3, 2008 8:10 AM EST
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