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After a 4-0 start, the Buffalo Bills have lost 4 of 5 games, are cellar-dwellers in the AFC East, and once again face an uphill climb toward the post-season.

There.  Got my negativity out of the way today.  Not that y'all needed reminding, but that's where we stand with Monday Night Football looming.

Instead of harping on all of the team's problems, which I've done to the point of gut ulcer over the past two days, I'd like to focus on the (very few) positives surrounding this team right now.  Alas, as with so many years prior to this, the only way to do that is to look a bit further forward than I'd like to.  I'm doing it anyways.  It's hump day - and I can't take another day of Bills bashing, at least from my mouth.

So consider this an open thread to discuss the question posed in the headline: which current Bills players deserve contract extensions?  Anyone is game, all opinions are valued.  Before I let y'all get to it, however, I'd like to put out a couple of (obvious) names to get the discussion rolling...

CB Jabari Greer (2009 UFA; current salary: $950,000; age: 26)
- Greer has been Buffalo's second most valuable defensive back over the past two seasons.  Donte Whitner gets a slight edge, and that's only due to the fact that Mr. Whitner can play wherever he's lined up.  Greer is a play-maker.  He's the glue that's held this secondary together for two seasons, as the team has dealt with injuries to [insert any DB's name here].

Jabari is never going to be a Champ Bailey.  But he plays hard, he tackles surprisingly well, and he's spilled blood and guts for this organization ever since he was brought in as an undrafted free agent in 2004.  At the age of 26, Greer is in his prime, and has the look of a long-term starter in this league.  Buffalo would be very wise to lock him up prior to the end of this season.

RB Fred Jackson (2009 ERFA; current salary: $370,000; age: 27)
- As an Exclusive Rights free agent, the Bills have a lot of negotiating power when it comes to Jackson; he's not going anywhere.  He's not a guy who would hold out, either.  But he deserves to be paid more than he currently is, because his versatility makes him an incredibly valuable asset to this team.  From his role as Marshawn Lynch's change-of-pace to his value as a reserve return man on special teams, Jackson has the ability to do whatever his coaches ask of him - and they do ask.

At 27 years of age, Jackson isn't exactly a young gun.  Due to his strange, winding trip to the NFL, however, he doesn't have a lot of mileage on him, and he will help prolong the career of Lynch (if the Bills fix the O-Line, that is).  Jackson works well with Marshawn.  He's got a good rapport with the quarterback.  He needs to be a bigger part of the team's long-term plans; he needs a longer-term contract first.

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These are the only two names on my list; suffice it to say, however, that many of you are a bit less conservative than me when it comes to pretending to spend Ralph Wilson's money.  Feel free to talk about Greer/Jackson's worthiness for extensions, add any names to the list, or rip gigantic babies who think they should be on the list (do I really need to type the name?).

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Completely Agree

I’ve been a big backer of these two since ‘05 TC and summer 06’ respectively.

It was frustrating for me to see Greer constantly pushed down the DC after stellar camps and preseasons only get his shot finally by “default” in his 4th season. And since I watched Jackson run during those lazy summer days in NFLEL, I knew he could be a quality player over those like ATrain and Wright, and yet he only got his shot, again, by “default”. Great find by Marv as this guy was literally surviving on being a camp counselor while trying to keep his football dreams alive. Greer is also a good good locker room presence, a leader, and quite funny on his show. Both players are also boldly professed Christians which I admire.

To see both guys emerge as players and score TD, well that’s really rewarding as a Bills fan. If a Greer jersey comes out next year, I’ll be first in line.

That being said, not resigning Greer (seems to be more likely than I’d like) and Jackson would really turn me off as a Bills fan.

GO BLUE!!!

by Kumario! on Nov 12, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think they'll resign Greer

and they will keep Youboty. Both McGee and Greer are in their prime at 28 and 26 years old respectively. At 23 and 24 years old McKelvin and Youboty are primed to get extra developmental time and provide great replacements for McGee and Greer as they age. By the time McGee is 31, McKelvin or Youboty will be ready and in their own primes. I bet the Bills stay steady with these four at corner for a while, keep Greer and stop worrying about the corner position for a good 7 years.

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Nov 12, 2008 1:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know my feelings on this...

I’ve been saying Greer should have been resigned for quite awhile. And while the Bills do have a stranglehold it seems on Jackson’s future, I think it’d behoove them to throw the guy a bone or two…

I’d also seriously consider extending Poz. As much as I think he may at times be a little over rated, I think he’s a keeper. He only signed a four year deal. I don’t think it would hurt much to extend him by another year or two.

What’s Trent’s contract like? I would guess it was a four year deal like Poz’s too, and if that is the case, I might try and get him to extend by another couple of years.

What about Ellison and Digi? I think if they would accept something reasonable and fair, they would be inclined to stay a little longer in aback up roles.

Whitner is going to be very pricey, as is Mckee McGee.

by krytime on Nov 12, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how about Royal??

Robert Royal deserves a huge extension due to his nonchalant attitude toward ball security and crucial times in the game. I think a 6 year contract extension is in order. Also, let’s put a few years on the back end of Chris Kelsay’s contract seeing as how that was such a worthwhile investment.

by live6453 on Nov 12, 2008 1:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Denney

Don’t forget about Denney. After all, what is a nearly useless overpaid starter without an equally useless backup.

by karovda on Nov 12, 2008 2:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh

i love the sarcasm….a good laugh….i’ve decided i can only be around humor until sunday/mon….and than you Brian for bringing up something other than how 91% of the time our offense is predictable bc it boils my blood…

How bout extending Jauron another 3 years beyond the other 3 years they already did??? Lock that man up. I’d love to guarantee 7-9,8-8,9-7 ever single year and never have one of our guys get better.

It is funny thogh. Kelsay, Denney, Schobel…have any of them gotten ANY better in their careers as a Bill???

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Nov 12, 2008 2:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

contract extensions

Brian,

 How about a column dedicated to current Bills players who need to be cut after the season …………….

Let’s start with Derrick Dockery, Melvin Fowler, Duke Preston, and Robert Royal

Tell Jason Peters that he can hold out again too

Now that I got that off my chest I feel better ……………..

by fernst2937 on Nov 12, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but the goal of this operation was to not be negative. But y’all refuse. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2008 3:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hate to Say It

1. Resign Preston (need to keep one of Preston or Fowler — probably draft a Center (there proably are no FAs that are worthy (Fowler was that FA)).
2. Extend Peters (probably at a better deal than what he was looking for in the holdout) — the Bills can’t have his mind (and body) wonder like he did the first half of this year and they, unfortunately, apparently made some promises to get him back.
3. I like the idea of signing JP as a quality backup — but I am sure I will be shot for saying that.

by labill on Nov 12, 2008 2:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You won’t be shot by me for suggesting Losman, but there is absolutely no way he willingly re-signs here. There’s a 99.8% chance he’s gone.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2008 3:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what factors into the 0.2% chance of him staying?

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Nov 12, 2008 3:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one else wanting him, thus he comes dirt cheap.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2008 3:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone might want him, but it might be at mediocre back-up pay, with no real shot at starting. I agree with you that the chances are slim, but it may be that Buffalo would give an equivalent offer — I guess you are saying that with an equal offer (backup position, backup pay), Losman is going to leave (because of pride). You’re probably right.

by labill on Nov 12, 2008 7:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most people think they deserve more because they think they have earned it.

How about a little perspective?

Here is a Veteran’s Day story to go along with that idea.

Back in September of 2005, on the first day of school, Martha Cothren, a social studies school teacher at Robinson High School in Little Rock, did something not to be forgotten.
On the first day of school, with the permission of the school superintendent, the principal and the building supervisor, she removed all of the desks out of her classroom. When the first period kids entered the room they discovered that there were no desks. Looking around, confused, they asked, “Ms. Cothren, where’re our desks?” She replied, “You can’t have a desk until you tell me what you have done to earn the right to sit at a desk. "They thought, "Well, maybe it’s our grades.” “No,” she said. Maybe it’s our behavior." She told them, “No, it’s not even your behavior. And so, they came and went, the first period, second period, third period. Still no desks in the classroom. By early afternoon television news crews had started gathering in Ms. Cothren’s classroom to report about this crazy teacher who had taken all the desks out of her room. The final period of the day came and as the puzzled students found seats on the floor of the deskless classroom Martha Cothren said, "Throughout the day no one has been able to tell me just what he/she has done to earn the right to sit at the desks that are ordinarily found in this classroom. Now I am going to tell you.” At this point, Martha Cothren went over to the door of her classroom and opened it. Twenty-seven (27) U.S. Veterans, all in uniforms, walked in to that classroom, each one carrying a school desk. The Vets began placing the school desks in rows, and then they would walk over and stand alongside the wall. By the time the last soldier had set the final desk in place those kids started to understand, perhaps for the first
time in their lives, just how the right to sit at those desks had been earned. Martha said, “You didn’t earn the right to sit at these desks. These heroes did it for you. They placed the desks here for you. Now, it’s up to you to sit in them. It is your responsibility to learn, to be good students, to be good citizens. They paid the price so that you could have the freedom to get an education. Don’t ever forget it.”

by Joe P. on Nov 12, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a veteran...

That post really meant a lot to me Joe. I really wish more people would have that line of thinking. You just made my day.

Thanks for putting things back into prospective

by MonStarr_716 on Nov 12, 2008 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just as a by stander

Hearing that from either you has made my day
To think people aren’t as conceited as have been lead to show.
I appreciate everything any veteran has done and am trying to take advantage to make life better for at least one person just so i know i made it special with the opportunity i was given

by Parrish11rules on Nov 12, 2008 4:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am a Vietnam war era veteran

I have always thought that way too many people in this country take our precious freedoms for granted. Freedoms don’t come free. Great story Joe P.

everything goes better with bacon

by keuka121 on Nov 12, 2008 5:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MonStarr 716, Parrish11rules, keuka121, and all other Vets

You are very welcome. We can’t thank you enough for what you do.

by Joe P. on Nov 12, 2008 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW

i said i am just a citizen not a vet sorry Joe

by Parrish11rules on Nov 13, 2008 5:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need to get your head out of your ass. Just kidding. I have wanted to type that as a reply ever since I seen your avatar.

Craig.

by taskersd on Nov 13, 2008 11:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Until the Bills get their head out of their a$$,

I will continue to show my “support” for their efforts!!!

by Joe P. on Nov 13, 2008 1:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As far as the subject matter of the thread....
  1. Greer (our best CB?)
  2. Freddie (diamond in the ruff)

Not to beat a dead horse, the two are just too valuable to let walk. I’ll be ok with OBD if they at the very least put forth a valiant effort

Let Poz & Trent play another year or even 2 before we give them more, especially Poz. I think a quality LB is easier to replace than a (potentially) franchise QB.

Hate to say it we also need to go ahead an redo peter’s as well.

by MonStarr_716 on Nov 12, 2008 4:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep'em / Slash'em List

My keep’em list:
1. Jackson is definitely a keeper
2. Greer also is a keeper
3. Youboty as well (although I am starting to think he is very fragile)
4. Crowell is also a keeper.

Trash’em list:
1. Fowler
2. Kelsay
3. McIntyre
4. Schouman
5. Losman
6. McCargo

by keysh67 on Nov 12, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yikes. Looking forward to what people say about your remark on Crowell. I, for one, vehemently disagree – there’s very little chance he’s here next year, and I’m not sorry for it.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2008 4:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok question

is Crowell still a free agent next year after the whole situation?

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Nov 12, 2008 4:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes he is.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2008 4:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why do you say that?

In 2007
Crowell had 126 Total tackles, 2 sacks, 1 Int & 4 PDef

Lance Briggs had 102 tackles, 2 sacks, 0 Int & 3 PDef

OK there are guys better than him out there but he is definitely way above average, why do you hate him so much?

by keysh67 on Nov 12, 2008 5:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did I say I hated him?

I don’t think Crowell has ever fit what the Bills would like to do defensively. They have a chance to get a better player than Crowell. He’s gone.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2008 6:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guI must have misinterpreted the words "vehemently disagree"

Doesn’t fit what the Bills want to do defensively??? The guy had great stats last year – he was the Best linebacker we had on the field ?? What’s there not to like?

I’ll admit that the conditions behind sticking him on IR so quickly bewilder me and the whole subject has never really been discussed over the net so it’s hard to understand why there would be an issue with this guy. He seemed to be a leader on the field, Filled Spikes shoes extremely well. I would be upset to see them not bring him back, he’s a great linebacker.

by keysh67 on Nov 12, 2008 8:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the whole subject has never really been discussed over the net

Oh no. It’s been covered. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2008 8:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will read tomorrow, tks.

Didn’t know about this site back then!

by keysh67 on Nov 12, 2008 9:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've read the article

Good read.

I understand that as a coach you like for your guys to give 110% but when one guy giving 80% produces 126 tackles, 2 sacks, 1Int & 4 PDef and the guy playing at 150% is giving you (after 9 games) 35 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 Int and 0 PDef – Guess what? I’ll take the dumb slacker anyday!

C’mon I can’t believe this crap. I am by no means a fan of any of the primadonnas and would favor a hard working joe over them anyday of the week but give me something remotely close, no drop-off my A$%

I hope your source for the article was bogus and that they just wanted to let him heal properly or at the very least that they realize how good of a player he was.

by keysh67 on Nov 12, 2008 11:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trust me. The source wasn’t bogus. If he was, I wouldn’t have even written the story. I like to spruce this place up with journalistic integrity, not the crap you read everywhere else.

“Drop off” doesn’t necessarily refer to statistical production, keysh. Ellison has made very few mistakes this season, something Crowell can’t claim during the ’07 season.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 13, 2008 6:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From what I've seen of your article I don't doubt your integrity

But if they are pissed because he made some errors lasr year, can you imagine the stats that he would have without the errors? Ellisson is not even in the same zip code when it comes to playing SLB.

As Fans we support this team with the firm belief that they are trying to field the best team possible, not try to assemble the nicest guys possible or the best character guys possible, etc. You would hope that all your guys are of very high character and intelligence but that cannot be at the expense of talent.

by keysh67 on Nov 13, 2008 6:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See, but that’s just your opinion. The Bills’ opinion is that Crowell’s talent doesn’t outweigh his mental errors. That’s really the only point that matters there.

I thought this story had been forgotten…

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 13, 2008 7:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Part fact/part opinion

Granted I mixed some opinion in but the fact of the matter is that last year he was 9th overall in tackles and 2nd amongst OLBs – to me that is production. He is in his peak and producing like an elite OLB, what’s not to like.

So forgive me if I was not aware of your discussions that took place, like I said I just found out of this site a month or so ago.

What kind of mental errors are we talking about? Is he careless in his attempt to rack up big numbers and it is costing the team some wins? If so I can understand but have they truly tried everything?

Just to be clear on one thing the idea of “no drop-off”, Ellisson is currently ranked 172nd in tackles after 9 games, so there is clearly a drop off – Like jumping out of a plane!

by keysh67 on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most of the errors I speak of came in pass defense and getting in run fits. You say he produced; I say he produced in a terrible defense.

The only disagreement we have is what we value in players. I’ll take fewer tackles for fewer mental errors; you think the opposite.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 13, 2008 12:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crowell doesn't care what scheme he is supposed to play

and he just does not get along in the clubhouse. He flunked team chemistry 101.

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by keuka121 on Nov 12, 2008 5:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this gossip or for real?

With all the crap that happened last year, the staggering amount of injuries & all it seemed like he was an integral part of the team & chemistry – I am surprised to hear this.

I must admit that I did find it particularly weird that they rushed him to IR before news got out that he was injured… I guess this explains why.

by keysh67 on Nov 12, 2008 5:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trash 'em?

What have you seen from Schouman that tells you to trash the guy? Same with McIntyre. They are both great special teamers and can contribute on offense when asked. There may be better options out there but I don’t think these guys are bad options…

by MattRichWarren on Nov 12, 2008 7:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s seems every time I see schouman he’s missing his block and he doesn’t impress me at all as a receiver, too slow and no YACs.

As for McIntyre, I’ll be honest I wanted the Bills to draft Owen Schmitt and when that didn’t happen I then was hoping for Lorenzo Neal as a FA. Honestly I have not seen anything good or bad from this guy but with the anemic running game we are having, I doubt that this guy is that exeptional.

by keysh67 on Nov 12, 2008 8:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crowell

Dont get me started on the HUGE MISTAKE of the front office in handling the Crowell matter. Not that he was innocent as he made a big mistake too. However, I hold the front office to a higher standard than players when it comes to emotional based decisions and in this case the Front Office acted like a spurned high school girl by saying if you are going to do this then we are done. Biggest mistake of the season was placing Crowell on IR. People very conveniently and easily forget the plays AND pressure on the QB that Crowell made. His three sacks last year will probably match the total at the end of the season of our entire LB’s. We have 2 so far. There is probably less of a chance Crowell comes back than there is JP. Just wont happen.

We will try to sign Greer but he may get an unaffordable deal. My instincts say if Greer was going to be a long term Bill he would be signed by now (or at least before the seasons end, which doesn’t appear to be the case). Next year McKelvin starts on the outside and Corner is nickle. We pick up a veteran 4th corner and draft a corner late.

We will match Fred Jackson’s offer. I’d be surprised if he does not lock up a 3 or 4 year deal in the offseason.

Maybe extend Whitner…maybe. Maybe extend Peters…dont jump down my throat he will be less expensive than b/f and can still be elite…maybe. Maybe extend Stroud…maybe.

AND PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SIGN A VETERAN QB who will be given the chance to compete with Trent. Griese or Garcia? Patrick Ramsey? Alex Smith (Dont Laugh).

by Berg79 on Nov 12, 2008 6:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What happened to Youboty? He is still signed through next year. Even if there are injury concerns, he will should make it thought next year’s camp (provided he can walk).

by karovda on Nov 12, 2008 6:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

conspiracy theories aren’t the truth? Maybe they placed him on IR because they knew he would be out for a majority of the season, needed the roster space, and want to re-sign him next year as a healthy LB by giving him a full year to heal? Ok maybe not…

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by poz on Nov 12, 2008 6:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If not a veteran QB to compete with Trent

at least one to be the mentor on the sidelines, but can be effective if need be. And more importantly, one who is stylistically like Trent as a QB (in short, not JP’s Aaron Brooksian approach…its not a perfect analogy, I know, but I like the word "Brooksian")

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

freddy

i really like fred jackson. lets hope we don’t let him get away.

by BenAllen on Nov 12, 2008 7:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone feel

that the Bills FO drafted McKelvin and Corner to replace Greer and Youboty and haven’t resigned Greer yet as a precursor to not signing him in favor of Youboty or McKelvin?

I really would hate OBD if they pulled some **** like that. I think Greer is more of a leader than people realize as is Wilson.

I hope we can just keep McGee, McKelvin, Youboty, Greer, AND Corner for a few years. We’ll never have to address it again! Eventually slide McGee to the slot, or maybe slide Greer to FS and line McKelvin outside. Corner is backup slot. Youboty, I don’t exactly know, but the kid was a PLAYER this year.

GO BLUE!!!

by Kumario! on Nov 12, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely try to resign Greer. I wouldn’t have said that this past offseason and earlier in the year, but he’s earned my respect. He’s been pretty good. Unless McKelvin and Corner really prove themselves over the next 7 games, I think we need to resign Greer.

I wouldn’t bother extending Jackson. He’s ours for 2 more years anyhow, so why extend him when it’s not necessary? Maybe give him a 2-3 year deal, but anything beyond that is unnecessary….

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 13, 2008 12:24 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

sometimes trying to do the right thing bites you in the rear end. Look at Peters, they extended him too soon and he resented them for it. Not saying he was right… Just saying that we could have stretched him out and the story would probably unraveled differently.

by keysh67 on Nov 13, 2008 6:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that wasn’t really my point, assuming you are speaking about Jackson. It was more due to the fact that he is an ERFA this year, meaning we have exclusive negotiations rights with him, so there’s nothing he can do. Next year, he’ll be an RFA, so again we’ll likely have him under our control again. I’m not saying don’t resign him to be a longer term deal, I’m just not sure it’s necessary because in 2 years when he would be due to become an UFA, he’ll be approaching 30. Without the wear and tear, that may not be as big a deal for him as other RB’s, but it’s still a consideration. If the FO feels Jackson has more than 2-3 more productive years in this O and will be a strong contributor, then yeah, give him a longer term deal. But if they aren’t sure or dont’ feel he’ll be that useful in a few years, then just let him play out his contract….Unfair to him? maybe, but it’s still a business here

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 13, 2008 11:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

and my point was simply that the situation is somewhat similar to the Peters affair when we originally extended him. We felt he was worth more and that he deserved more so he got extended and the following year he holds out because he already wants more. The bills were probably thinking that they had gotten a real deal and he ended up feeling screwed. So why not wait until it’s the proper time and pay a fair market price, this way both parties feel good about the transaction.

by keysh67 on Nov 13, 2008 12:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Josh Reed?

When is Josh’s contract up? If OBD doesn’t re-sign this guy, they have NO CLUE at what they are doing. I’ve been calling him “Josh-just-move-the-chains-Reed” for the past two years. Look at what happened to our ‘O’ once he went down. 3rd down production all but fell off the face of the earth for these guys. I know, it’s not b/c of his absence alone, but….. And no one can argue, the guy gives his all on the field especially in blocking situations. He can be a beast out there! His attitude is – be the “hitter”, NOT the “hittie”

Granted, in his earlier years he couldn’t hold onto the ball and I was all for cutting him. He just couldn’t hack it in spite of a stellar collegiate career @ LSU. That was then. I know they extended him a couple of years ago, but I can’t for the life of me remeber for how long.

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by Pocono Bob on Nov 13, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reed is a free agent after the 2009 season. He was re-signed by Marv Levy prior to the 2006 season, to a 4-year, $10 million deal, which 95% of Bills fans claimed was over-the-top expensive. That was one of Levy’s best moves as GM.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 13, 2008 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Brian

for the stats on the contract. Yes, and I was one of them thinking that it was WAY over the top, especially thinking he’d get CUT!!! I almost threw my cell when I got the text about the re-signing.

Man, am I glad that Reed turned it around like he did. He’s one hell of a 3rd down weapon in my book.

Marv at his best……..

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by Pocono Bob on Nov 13, 2008 1:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pocono Bob

What did you say??? I was to busy looking at your Avatar. Very Nice!!!

by Joe P. on Nov 13, 2008 1:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry - - - - - NOT !!!

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by Pocono Bob on Nov 13, 2008 1:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

upcoming free agents

Signing Jabari Greer should be this team’s #1 priority. He has been the Bills best db for the past two year. Jackson should be #2.

I am also sick of hearing about how great Donte Witner is! Based on what? Interviews? Guarantees? Witner is ok and no better. Do you see him running all over the field making plays like the top safeties do? Is he even comparable to Troy Polamalu or Bob Sanders? Even in Buffalo where the fans tend to embrace mediocre players when they talk a good game this is amazing to me. Let’s talk about Witner when he starts making plays. Until then, let it go – this guy is not what Buffalo fans seem to think he is.

by bobb498 on Nov 13, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm almost starting to agree with you on Whitner

He apparently has the versatility to play most of the DB positions, which helps. He’s also a mental team leader. But one of the best DBs out there? Not convinced of that.

by thefourwinds on Nov 13, 2008 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what exactly happened to Ko?

It seemed to me that before his injury he was doing pretty good and now that he is ready to go they keep bumping him in favor of Whitner who in my opinion does not seem any better?? Why is that?

by keysh67 on Nov 13, 2008 3:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

leadership

counts for something. Seems like Donte is a leader on and off the field.

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by poz on Nov 13, 2008 8:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whitner is about as overrated as possible. He’s a solid player, but nothing more. Nice off the field leader, but doesn’t do a whole lot on the field. This guy was supposed to be this playmaker that hits people all over the field and generates turnovers. That has hardly been the case. It sure looks like top 10 was a rather giant reach for this guy….

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 13, 2008 11:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d say that “as overrated as possible” is a guy who people think is good, but isn’t. Like Kerry Collins.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 14, 2008 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whitner leadership? After his defense gave up 41 points to the Cards, he tried to pin the blame on Losman. Doesnt sound much like the type of leader I would want on my team.

by Thronsen on Nov 15, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He seems like a paper tiger to me. Talks a good game, but then what…?

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 15, 2008 12:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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