Bills/Browns: Thursday morning MNF primer
Buffalo Bills (5-4) vs Cleveland Browns (3-6)
Monday, November 17, 8:30PM EST
Listen - I know the Bills have lost four of five. I know that everyone's concerned about the direction of the team again. I get that there are folks out there who will feel the need to continue to vent their frustrations until something changes with the Bills. I just think that if you're not jacked up for Monday Night Football, you're crazy. If you got pumped for last year's MNF game, in which we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against the unbeaten Dallas Cowboys, then you should be borderline crazy for this one.
The news isn't all bad. The Bills, believe it or not, are getting healthier...
Injury Updates - Bills getting healthier; Cleveland's not
Buffalo has struggled without several starters over the past few weeks. Only two of them - DE Aaron Schobel and WR Josh Reed - have yet to return to the practice field, though Reed did some sideline running at Wednesday's practice.
SS Donte Whitner practiced on a limited basis Wednesday and took all of his reps with the first team defense. It's still not certain whether or not Whitner will be ready to return after just a week off with his separated shoulder, but the fact that he's even on the field is promising. Don't expect him to practice much Thursday, however, as the Bills strap on the pads for today's workout.
OG Brad Butler participated fully and is set to return to the lineup - though again, that's not a certainty. He's missed three consecutive games now, and let's face it - he may not be a world-beater, but he's a right sight better than Kirk Chambers, Duke Preston or Jason Whittle inside.
Cleveland, meanwhile, is likely to be without their best offensive lineman, OG Eric Steinbach. He missed last week's game as well. NT Shaun Rogers and DE Corey Williams, two key anchors of Cleveland's defense, also missed practice Wednesday, though they are still expected to play.
Edwards putting in extra time
QB Trent Edwards, proprietor of suck the past few weeks, is putting in extra time to tighten up the loose screws in his game...
“I was out there working on my footwork after practice, throwing some extra routes just to get back to what I need to get back to,” Edwards said. “That’s part of the position. It’s my job to perform at a high level at the quarterback [position]. The mechanics are a big reason why you can or can’t perform at a high level.”
No lie, Trent. Whatever's wrong, fix it fast, sir.
Langston Walker lays it on the line
Bills RT Langston Walker bristled at a reporter who implied that Bills players weren't motivated to turn this ship around...
“Man, I just want to rip into that [question], but I’m not [going to],” Walker said. “We haven’t given up hope. True Buffalo fans haven’t given up hope. True football fanatics haven’t given up hope. People who really know the game, know that we’re not out of the hunt.”
Ten-four, good buddy. Ten-four.
Uh oh, Bickering Brownies
Cleveland head coach Romeo Crennel and two of his players, Josh Cribbs and Jamal Lewis, have different definitions of the word "quit". No word on what their stance on "is"... is.
MNF coming at the right time?
One benefit to playing on Monday Night this week hasn't really been discussed in these parts - the benefit of an extra day of preparation. Yes, I know that the Browns have another day or two tacked onto that, considering they played (and lost) a week ago today, but still - an extra day of prep work isn't going to hurt Buffalo.
It may come at the right time, too. Clearly, the Bills are on a skid, but a win in Cleveland gives them a little momentum heading into a road trip with Kansas City and a home date with San Francisco - two teams with a combined record of 3-15. Momentum is everything in this league, and MNF could help the Bills grab some heading into the ultra-important second half of the divisional schedule. I'm not trying to get ahead of myself, clearly - the win has to come first - but the opportunity is there. Just some food for thought.
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MNF
I just think that if you’re not jacked up for Monday Night Football, you’re crazy
Roger that. While the inconsistent offensive play, the “consistent and predictable” offensive play calling have us all worked up, you have to be jacked up to see our team, playing AT HOME, on MNF. Plus, I would love to get some pay back to the Browns after last year’s pathetic game in the snow.
However, all of that said, I am very, very, very concerned for our Offense. If we have conservative crap, stalling drives, and all that I put this season in the tank. The offense has to SHOW that it can grab chunks of yardage.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 13, 2008 9:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The offense needs to come out clicking (possibly by mixing up plays and formations…I know, I’m talking crazy here) or else it might be time to start thinking about the draft. Ugh.
Being that you brought it up- well, kinda- Brian, am I the only one that’s nervous about the Chiefs game with one less day to prepare? Thigpen’s been improving and Johnson is coming back…I’m not saying I’m petrified of the team or anything, but suddenly that matchup is looking less favorable.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 13, 2008 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
blessing in disguise
I think larry johnson coming back could be a blessing in disguise. The Chiefs offense got good after he got hurt because when he was in they were trying to unsuccessfully run the offense through him. After he went down, with nothing to lose, they threw Thigpen into the shotgun and just let him throw. I think Johnson will demand the rock. And it will be good for us.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Nov 13, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i am also frightened by that game….but i refuse to think about it, as without a win on Monday, nothing matters
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
To quickly address Langston’s quote:
“True Buffalo fans haven’t given up hope. True football fanatics haven’t given up hope. People who really know the game, know that we’re not out of the hunt.”
Good point, Langston. True Bills fans have not given up “hope” yet, but we certainly aren’t expecting playoffs anymore because we’ve seen this scene before. Nevertheless, Bills fans will always be delusional hopeful. It’s part of being a Bills fan. Eternally pessimistic heart-broken, always hopeful. In many regards, being a Bills fan is similar to suffering from battered wives syndrome.
Are you ready for some football…
I, for one, am totally jacked up for Monday Night. I’ve been to about 30 bills games in my life, and last year’s MNF game was without a doubt, the loudest, most insane crowd I’ve ever seen.
I was just telling my buddy yesterday, that as bad as the Bills have been playing, I still couldn’t possibly be anymore excited for Monday’s game. Maybe it’s the fact that we’re playing the Browns, who at the very least, are just as bad as us. Maybe it’s the fact that I’m taking the afternoon off on Monday, and the morning off on Tuesday to get a little extra “preparation” myself. Maybe it’s the fact that I plan on being in the parking lot by 2 o’clock on Monday for a solid 6 1/2 hours of tailgating. But, regardless of the reasons, I’m primed for Monday.
As much of a “glass is half empy” kind of a guy I am, I just don’t envision the Bills losing on Monday. The Browns have been extremely dysfunctional this year, Rommeo Crennel is easily the worst head coach in the NFL (sorry DJ), and Brady Quinn will be starting only his second NFL game and his first on the road. Oh, and it just so happens it will occur in the not-so-friendly confines of Ralph Wilson stadium on a Monday night in November.
As bad as the Bills have played the last three weeks (and it’s been pretty bad), on the scoreboard, they’ve been in every game at the end. Oh, and the Browns have been just as bad.
When asked if the losing streak has had a sobering effect on the team, Walker replied: "I didn’t think we were drunk." Well, regardless of how the Bills play Monday, at least I will be.
by thatguy34 on Nov 13, 2008 9:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That last line is funny, though many could argue the Bills were indeed drunk the past few weeks….
Obviously Langton, we all have hope, but many of us are looking at this realistically. Losing 3 straight divisional games, and looking like garbage in all 3, really doesn’t leave us anything more than distant hope. How about you guys go out on the field fired up, ready to smack a team around, instead of playing passive, conservative losing football? That’ll get our spirits up, even in a loss. Last year’s Dallas fiasco made me proud because of the way the team fought, the crowd impacted the game and the overall electricity in the air. Despite a major kick in the stomach after that one, it was nice to see the team play their guts out. I haven’t seen any similar to that in our losses this year, or at the end of last year. The team acts like a bunch of obedient dogs quite well, rolling over and playing dead on command.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 13, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woof woof
As they say, you also can’t teach an old Jauron new tricks.
by NJBill on Nov 13, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to get graphic: You also can’t teach an old Dick new tricks
Double entendre!!!
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 13, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I once saw double entendre performed at the Kit Kat Club
…my friend Dick was never the same since.
by NJBill on Nov 13, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have this friend, Dick. Oh, nevermind. You don’t know Dick.
by thatguy34 on Nov 13, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sick schedule Gods prolong the agony
Not to look ahead…but if the Bills can’t win the next four, then they do not deserve to be characterized as anything other than mediocre… on a good day. Winning the next four “winnable games” will put the Bills back in the hunt and guarantee their first winning season since 2004. As everyone remembers, the 2004 Bills won 6 in a row against mostly inferior competition and got into the playoff hunt, only to lose when it really matters. The Bills of Mularkey’s first term gave us hope, but ultimately proved itself a paper buffalo. The way things are unfolding, I fear the 2008 season will follow a very similar arc. If they take care of business now, the last three games present a formidable challenge that will likely rip the hearts out of Bills fans. The fundamental problems remain, which will only be magnified late in the season when the weather turns nasty. But they need to get to that point first.
by NJBill on Nov 13, 2008 10:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Are those running stats off? Are we really 28th in the league at 93.8, averaging more yards per game than the 21st ranked Browns? I’d have to imagine the Brown number is a bit higher than listed.
Good to see Butler is likely to play. We need him. Coincedence or not, but our OL has gotten drastically worse without him. Plus, this will get Preston, Whittle, or Chambers off the field. We still have that gaping *ag*na at center though, which will always kill us until we address it.
It’d be nice if Whitner toughed it out this week, even though I don’t think he makes much of a difference out there. Am I the only one who continues to be disappointed with this guy’s play?? I’d like to see him pull a Jared Allen and play with a separated shoulder, show some toughness to your teammates who obviously need it.
This game scares me, especially considering the Browns’ bickering. This just seems like one of those games that the Bills always find a way to lose. Huge MNF crowd with the world watching against a team in turmoil, kind of like the Cowboys and Giants games combined from last year. If this was a Sunday afternoon game, I’d be much more confident. Doesn’t that seem kind of odd? Am I the only one?
Oh, please kick Brady Quinn’s butt. This would be a MARVelous (!) week for the pass rush to appear. Young, flaming QB making his first road start, we’ve got to get in his grill and push those mistakes for once.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 13, 2008 11:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I expect that we’ll probably see much of the same on defense this week as we have in the past few games…with perhaps a slight increase in attempted pressure via blitzes. Jauron/Fewell know that the bigger problem is on the other side of the ball.
The Bills usually find a way to embarrass themselves on the national stage. The good news is that outside of the Lake Erie audience, no one will be watching this game. The bad news is that we’ll have to listen to Tony Cornholer gush about how the Jets and Patriots are running away with the division. If you’re watching the game at home, you’ll need your barf bags.
by NJBill on Nov 13, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True that!
Has there ever been a worse MNF announcer than Tony K? Maybe Dennis Miller?
by Joe P. on Nov 13, 2008 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Dennis Miller was infinitely worse than Tony Kornheiser.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Miller
I like Dennis Miller’s work, a lot, and have so for a long time. I thought he would stop being “Dennis Miller” for MNF. I expected him to be good, if not at least above average.
That was my worst prediction since Blair Thomas.
by krytime on Nov 13, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Miller
is a great comedian. Hilarious man. Kornheiser is honestly unbearable.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Nov 13, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think being on MNF will be an advantage for us!
The home crowd will be jack up! Players will be as well, if for no other reason than they know everyone is watching and don’t want to be embarrassed. This is the first game since SD where the Bills have a chance not to be out coached. I hope we do send the pressure and do not sit back in that dam Tampon 2 and wait for Quinn to get some confidence and rhythm via the short passing game. In all reality, this is our playoffs/SuperBowl. Lose this one, and the rest of the game will be more about draft season than post season.
Note to Bills coaches – Please, Please, Pleassseeee show us you have the ability to learn from your mistakes!!!!
by Joe P. on Nov 13, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Tony K here!!!!!
Thankfully. I’ll be @ the Ralph and won’t HAVE to listen to this fool, at least until I replay the DVR during the week.
If this game turns out anything like our last year’s MNF vs Dollass, it’ll be something to remember. The Ralph was SO electric that night. If ya didn’t know better, you would swear that it was a true championship playoff game. I’m looking forward to much of the same again this year! Com’on 12th Man!!! I can’t hear you!!!! . . .Yet.
Are you ready for some football?????
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by Pocono Bob on Nov 13, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My ears rang for 2 days!!
I was incredible! I am so looking forward to it again this year!!
My only problem last year was I got there too late to tailgate properly, this year I’ll be there by 3pm
GO BILL!!
by keysh67 on Nov 13, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3:00 PM
I hear ya!! Just be careful w/ the Yellow Jackets @ the gates. The last thing ya want is to NOT be able to see it at all. ENJOY!!!!!!!!
GO BILLS . . .
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by Pocono Bob on Nov 13, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last Year
Last year’s game was electric. Wilson taking back an INT, Denney doing it all on his tipped pick-six catch, that place was alive!!! If the Bills have any semblence of humanity and timing, they will win this game. To do it like the Pats beat us on Sunday Night football last year would be a plus (not to add any negative thoughts to this). :-)
by MattRichWarren on Nov 13, 2008 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that was Kelsay
… on that tipped pick-six :-)
by bruuuuce_02 on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Way to go Walker
The Bills offense is not playing well because Trent has been in a slump. Plain and simple. Sure your going to have your share of missed blocks and dropped passes but Trent’s slump is the cause of at least three losses. I beleive he knows it and has been man enough to accept the responcibility for the losses. Because he has owned up to it, players like Walker believe in Trent and their offensive scheme. All this crying about poor play calling , not running enough,etc,etc is nonsense. Trent will snap out of his slump and the offense will carry the team again. Go Bills!!!!!!
by gjv on Nov 13, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Buddy, when an offense becomes as predictable..
Turk has abandoned the run – do you even understand what that means to a QB?
If the line was was operating on all cylinders then maybe we’d have half of a chance but it’s not the case. Has Trent made some poor decisions? Yes a few but by far and large its not him that is in a slump my friend its TURK SCHONERT!! Turk needs to get his head out of his AS$% and find a way to balance the offense and establish some sort of a running threat otherwise Trent will struggle because when a simple 4-5 man front can beat your running game, that leaves 5-6 guys covering 2-3 receivers – do the math!
by keysh67 on Nov 13, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the game
Turk isn’t the problem. If you watch our offense it’s been poor execution of the plays, not the plays called. Trent being the key is in a slump. His mechanics have been off and so has his reads. He will get out of his slump and Turk will be a great play caller again. Go Bills!!!!!!
by gjv on Nov 14, 2008 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are allowed to disagree
I do not like the pass-happy attack of Turk Schonert.
He blames a poor running game is why they attempt to pass so much but I don’t buy it at all!
Last week when Marshawn got 7y on the first carry, why did he come out on 2 & 3 from the shotgun? My preference would have been to run the ball again but even if you prefer passing, at least come out under center and play-action it !!
I really don’t want to start the whole play-calling debate again. I simply disagree with you.
by keysh67 on Nov 14, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I flew in from MD for that game...
You would have thought it was the Super Bowl. We had seats about 10 rows up, right behind the Cowboys bench…I’ll never forget when my buddy called T. McGee’s kick off return before the ball was even launched in the air…The atmosphere in the Ralph was utterly indescribable…man. I’ve never when went from that high to that low in a span of 60 football minutes…ahhhh. To this day I can’t watch that one NFL Network commercial that shows a bunch of clips from that game.
I think the I’ll loan the Bills a phrase from my Air Force: “You guys need to MAN UP”
by MonStarr_716 on Nov 13, 2008 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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