Responsiblity Poll
Who do you think is most directly responsible for the loss last night? Here are the contenders and you can only pick the one MOST DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE:
Edwards: He threw three INTs and promptly went into a shell. Most of his passes went to Lynch and more than one appeared to be a backward lateral. He played scared and crippled the passing game. He just hasn't learned how to anticipate the gaps in 7 man coverage schemes and it's just killing the offense.
Jauron: The last possession sums up Jauron's overall outlook perfectly. He didn't play to win--he played not to lose. Instead of a play action pass on 2nd down he chose to plow Lynch into the line for a 2 yard gain. He did it again on 3rd down, again eschewing the opportunity to pick up the first down. He was perfectly willing to let the game come down to Lindell's leg and a long field goal into the wind. Assume for the moment that Lindell made the kick. The Browns, with no slouch of a kicker of their own, would have gotten the ball back with about 45 seconds...plenty of time to get into range.
O-Line: The Browns rarely blitzed (I'll have to re-watch the game to get an accurate count.) and yet they still made Edwards uncomfortable in the pocket. 5 offensive linemen should be able to keep 4 defensive linemen at bay and literally smother a 3 man rush.
Kind of like an ACT question, it's pretty clear I'm going with the longest answer...
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Definitely not the OL. They finally opened some holes and gave Trent time. How much more time did he need to throw a 3 yard gainer to Lynch all night? There were a few times where a rusher got near him, but overall they did a very good job.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 18, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a big fan of NBA basketball
however, it seems that whenever a good NBA team needs two points surely, they all have planned plays to call out to each other. You can see them yelling “#5” or “#3” or whatever. Mabye to just get out of a funk, but they have those plays ready to call. It is infuriating watching our Bills react to a big or potentially game changing play this year. We seem to not have a clue and call time out. Time out. Time out. We should have some pre -planned plays ready to call so we don’t have to call a time out. Just another coaching observation.
Trent will be fine over time. The Royal pass was vintage Trent. The OL actually came to play last night (minus C). Dockery finally motivated himself and the return of Butler was big.
everything goes better with bacon
by keuka121 on Nov 18, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
can i vote for both trent and dick?
i guess not… i voted for Trent because he made more mistakes throughout the game. Although Dick’s coaching at the end of the game was pretty horrible.
There are “safe” high percentages throws. I was waiting/hoping/praying for a play action naked roll out to the weak side all night. No such luck. Did Steve Fairchild somehow become our Offensive Coordinator again without us knowing?
John I.
by jri111 on Nov 18, 2008 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Steve Fairchild is gone, but the effect is the same. Turk Schonert called those plays.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 18, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Trent tried it once
and he underthrew Fine.
by thefourwinds on Nov 18, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
on that last drive after the completion i was demanding either lynch to the outside or a naked (or sneak a TE out ) bootleg. wouldve worked well, worst case scenario you dump it off to the TE (if he is wide open), take a couple yard loss, or throw the ball out of bounds.
the browns pulled it off with quinn, and considering how tightly the browns were playing the run (for the first time all night) up the middle, it wouldve been open.
by jmorris0823 on Nov 18, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
naked bootleg wouldn’t have been a good move. no blocker or receiver out there would be bad if the DE stayed home. it’d be a guaranteed loss of 5-10 yards and knock us out of FG range.
A quick slant, swing pass or underneath curl would have been the smart passes to make.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 19, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
as i said, throw it away if necessary. regardless, the end wouldnt have stayed. if you watch the last three plays the browns sold out completely for the run up the middle. also, as my post said, sliding a tight end out wouldve also been an easy option to throw a block or get open.
if necessary, all trent wouldve had to do was get outside the tackle and he could have tossed it into the stands. anything would have been better than running it up the middle, which everybody who has watched the bills under (not so) tricky dick knew they would do.
by jmorris0823 on Nov 19, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the fault
Trent has led us to 4th quarter comebacks plenty this year, so why 3 dives when we can run a play action dump off to a TE for a gain of 7 or 8 to get Lindell closer. At least play for the 1st down! The play calling was scared play calling. Thats not how you win.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Nov 18, 2008 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not the OL at all............
But its hard to pick one of those three by themselves…….lemme ’splain dis….lol
Trent coulda folded mentally, but he didnt…he and jauron both had the team in a position to win, but it just didnt work out like that…….
The OL didnt allow a sack, and got the run game going…..so not them….
If i had to pick one, i would say jauron if only for the fact that those last 3 runs didnt get the team close enough…..a 47 yarder isnt a gimme…..anywhere…..
but I just dont know….its a bunch of little things that contributed to this loss……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 18, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually Losman finishing the season in 06’ as the 11th rated passer in the league as his only full season as a starter was very promising, couple that with Edwards having the lowest percentage of Touchdowns per quater played of any QB in the NFL since he came into the league and that’s enough for now! Edwards still has an excellent shot at being a productive NFL starter, but not right now! I support the Bills and every player that wears a Bills uniform!! I respect the opinions-points and views of others but also at this point in Edwards career-I see a terrible QB that has always been a dink and dunk QB that constantly dumps the ball off even when their are wide open recievers and protection is there! I can’t understand how anyone can Support Edwards more than they support the Buffalo Bills as a whole team??
by Fam_1st on Nov 18, 2008 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying that you want J.P. as starter. **** be careful how you respond, I might just ban you. ****
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 18, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Aren’t you supposed to clear that with me first? ;)
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 18, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was automatic. ;)
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 18, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you had said Turk
in stead of Jauron, it would have been a much harder decision. We all know Jauron does not call anything during the game, except maybe to see if his Prozac has been delivered. I am not saying he isn’t good at it, he just doesn’t call the plays!!!
by Joe P. on Nov 18, 2008 4:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i just
have to pin the blame on Edwards/Offensive play calling. if they would have started the game RUNNING the ball, short draws, screens, etc, then Edwards would have naturally progressed and have been put into situations to PA pass and go deep to Evans when the Browns started tightening up. But instead, they come out shotgun and throw.
So I blame the coaches for putting Trent in that situation, and then I blame Trent for holding on to the ball for 8 secs a snap and looking like he has some serious sand in his you know what. I think Evans probably freaked out after the game. I kind of wish we would have finally gotten a post-game presser from someone freaking out.
And we all know the Bills will win the next 2 games to give hope back only to lose 3 of their last 4 and finish a perfect 8-8. I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing Jauron canned but only in favor of Marv Levy, Bill Cowher, Josh McDaniels, Turner Gill (just kidding), or at the very least bringing in a new Offensive Coordinator.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 18, 2008 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Andy Reid
There is talk in Philly of firing Andy Reid. I would take him over Jauron. I love Jauron, believe me I do, plus I am loathe to change coaches so soon into the progression of Edwards. But if Reid is available, I think he can make us better. But, the season isn’t over yet. Not a single game on our schedule is a chalk it up loss and it gives us a chance to bring down 4 teams competing with us for the division and wild card.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Nov 18, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Lord, trust me, you do NOT want Andy Reid coaching this team. You think we don’t run enough now? Reid is terrible…
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 18, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im almost considering.......dare I say it............Marty Ball...........
but….its only a consideration.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 18, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am 99.9999% sure that Marty Schottenheimer is done coaching in the NFL. Dude is 65 years old.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 18, 2008 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to bring Marty back to Buffalo. He started his career as a LB for the Bills, and I would love him as a coach here. I know his play-off record stinks but at least he can get there.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 18, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said.......
its just a consideration………I feel like Jauron has the rest of this year and then all of next year..and then after that……if nothing has changed….he’s gotta go.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 18, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
65? So what. Dick Jauron is a freakin zombie!!
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 19, 2008 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Jauron was young…
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh dear football gods
I just threw up, you think DJ is horrible at challenging? Bad at clock management? Andy makes him look like the most intelligent coach for that. Andy burns at least 2 TOs out a game on challenges that make DJ look like a Mensa member out there.
You do….. not….. want….. the…. fat… walrus…… here…… at….. all…..
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Nov 18, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Reid, PASS. He’s like Jauron’s fatter, more mustachioed brother. And a potentially even worse manager of the clock. Actually, he is a much worse manager of the clock, and that’s not a compliment for Jauron.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 19, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol @ mustachioed........................
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 19, 2008 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and spell checker didn’t tell me it wasn’t a word…..
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 19, 2008 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont care......its awesome!
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 19, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mustachioed
that is freakin hee haw larious!!!
by MonStarr_716 on Nov 19, 2008 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i say trent.
the interceptions he threw led directly to 6 points(thankfully only that many!) and in the end those 6 points made a world of difference.
he’s not alone to blame, but i came to this conclusion right after the game.
also I blame Mike Tirico for bringing up the Norwood wide right right before Lindell kicked at the end of the game. that dingbat jinxed us.
by BenAllen on Nov 18, 2008 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Think of the future
TRENT:
There is no denying that Trent played the worse game of his career, actually the last three have not been pretty. To a large extent I blame the offensive play calling. There is absolutely no reason why you start the game in a shotgun formation – period! The first INT wasn’t entirely his fault, Shaun Rogers really got a good leap in order to tip that ball. The second INT was probably ill-advised because he forced it into Hardy (double coverage) but I blame Hardy even more, you have to fight for the ball man! Then the pass to Royal was simply awful and should not have been thrown. I was very disappointed in Royal’s nonchalance to do anything about it (That guy has to go!!) but it gave us a chance to see a great play by rookie Steve Johnson making the tackle.
By this point he was so gun shy that he was oblivious to the fact that receivers were open down field.
O-LINE:
The O-Line played great. Great pass protection and decent run blocking.
JAURON:
Turk works for Dick so I expect Dick to get more involved. The play-calling once again was very predictable, did not have anywhere near enough play-action plays. They complain that Trent has a hard time against 7-man coverage schemes so why not line up under center and do some play-action? The Run game was finally working so by showing run, it would have opened things up for him down field. As much as I found it boring to watch at least they made good use of Marshawn and found the way to get it in their hands. The short dump offs were there all day and Marshawn or Jackson in space are able to get it done – so at least they found a fairly safe way of moving the ball in the situation they were in.
The play when Lynch did not get in and we were on the 1, How can he justify taking a time out at that point??? He should have quickly had a play designed for that situation. You want to get a play off quickly to take advantage of the situation, not give your opponent time enough to catch their breath and make the necessary personnel changes…
The when the opponent is in 3rd and 10 you take a defensive time out?? What the hell were they afraid of?
I must admit that I was impressed by the defensive play-calling, a lot more aggressive. It was great to see Mitchell flying around everywhere! I want to see more of that in the future.
Obviously Trent had a bad night and our team is not good enough to overcome that. I think that Trent has the potential to be great, he just has to work through these issues. I think Turk needs to do a much better job play-calling to give his young QB a chance. Unfortunately, I always feel that we are being out coached by the opposing team. When it’s Belichick it’s one thing but when Crennel is out coaching you, I think there’s a serious problem!
by keysh67 on Nov 19, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sireric—I assumed the opinions of other fellow Bills fans and supporters would be respected around here? Was I wrong on that? Or is it your point of view only that is excepted? I respect the opinions and views of everyone and would expect the same!
by Fam_1st on Nov 19, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh cool then, I did’nt know! Im gonna be at the game this sunday and was originally expecting us to be well on our way to the playoffs, but I was wondering that with us still playing all of our division rivals one more time, what are the scenarios on our playoff chances at this point and also im assuming we can’t afford to lose any of our remaining division games and at the very most afford one more loss outside of it to have a chance at the playoffs? I can’t wait till sunday and hope it is as nice here in K.C. as it is today-no wind and just calm outside!
by Fam_1st on Nov 19, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
easy big fella
As Brian said it was a joke.
Feel free to express your opinion as much as possible. It is always welcome, although if you start pineing for J.P. to start it won’t be met with much positive feed back.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 19, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also I have’nt checked on the status of Greer for sunday and hope that if he can’t go at 100%, then McKelvin gets another go and shows up with the kinda effort he had on monday night, I think with us playing more man coverage it really helped play to his strengths and actually benefit our entire defense!
by Fam_1st on Nov 19, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i voted O Line....
And not because of their performance Monday night. Trent has been getting demolished, and I think he has lost all confidence because of the line. Now he is scared to throw anything besides a dump off. Turk has felt that we need to play from the shotgun to protect Edwards. Marshawn is tap dancing more than ever because he too has lost confidence in the line. I know you are the line expert here Ron, but man, Preston got murdered Monday night. It was freaking terrible. I never noticed it too much, I would just take you guys’ word for it, so it was something I really looked for during the game. And man was it a ghastly performance.
BTW….I defend the call to run it the last 3 plays of the game, and here is why:
1. We had been moving the ball very effectively on the ground a majority of the game
2. We needed to run the clock out to keep the ball outta the Browns’ hands
3. All we needed was the field goal to win, why not take it?
4. Trent had been playing like boo boo the whole game, why put it back in his hands to potentially throw another pick?
I mean damn, it was the right call people, accept it.
by MonStarr_716 on Nov 19, 2008 7:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
retort
1. we had been running well to the outside, or at least away from rogers.
2. to effectively run out the clock we needed a first down. with the kick, the browns wouldve had 45 seconds left, josh cribbs returning the kick, and a kicker who just hit a 56 yd FG. something tells me they were more than capable of getting 30 yards (prob would need less than that) in 45 seconds.
3. a 47 yd FG into a buffalo wind is no better than a 50/50 proposition. thus, i wouldnt just count on it as a given.
4. again, didnt have to throw the ball. and even if you did, i would hope they would have a few plays with no risk and multiple outs for trent. i assume they do since they threw dump offs all game.
it wasnt the right call. it was pathetic/cowardly/expected. i am not trying to kill jauron, but i felt like earlier in the year he had shed some of his ultra-conservatism. it has become painfully obvious that is not the case. when you have a lengthy FG and a minute 26 on the clock, it would behoove you to get ten more yards, which just happened to be what i was screaming at the television after each and every dive play.
by jmorris0823 on Nov 19, 2008 9:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll see your retort....and raise you this
lol….just haven’t seen that word used constructively in a min.
That was the correct time to be conservative. As much as I think DJ (and co.) are conservative biyotches. I think they finished the game correctly.
Hmmmmmmmm…….?
a kicker who just hit a 56 yd FG
and then you follow up with
a 47 yd FG into a buffalo wind is no better than a 50/50 proposition. thus, i wouldnt just count on it as a given.
…contradiction
Why wouldn’t you expect to have good odds on that kick (i know that Lindell is only good inside 40…)
something tells me they were more than capable of getting 30 yards (prob would need less than that) in 45 seconds.
So why not attempt to run the clock down by running the ball?
when you have a lengthy FG and a minute 26 on the clock, it would behoove you to get ten more yards, which just happened to be what i was screaming at the television after each and every dive play.
Can’t remember exactly how much time was left on the clock and the DVR takes too long to get to the end of the game for my patience, but like i said….did you really want to to put the game in Trent’s hands at that moment?
I hate the fact that we lost…i really do. Especially with the season on line. But I do think that was the right move at the end of the game. It would have been good for TE to see that despite how bad of a game hehad, that he could count on his team to pull it out for him. And godbless the the D, o line, our backs, and special teams,….they sure did try
by MonStarr_716 on Nov 19, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. The Browns’ kicker had the wind at his back, not in his face. It makes a big difference.
2. Running the ball on 2nd and 8 and then 3rd and 6 only forced the Browns to burn their timeouts.
3. Edwards had just hit Royal for a 20ish yard gain.
4. Buffalo has run a play action rollout pass to the TE several times successfully this season.
5. Even if the pass (ideally on 2nd down) was incomplete, all that means is that the Browns would have had a time out to go along with their 45 seconds to set up their own field goal.
Jauron lost the game by playing not to lose. A first down would have put Lindell at least 6 yards closer and used up all of the time available for the Browns to mount a drive. Yes, Edwards had a horrible game but the team—largely thanks to the defense and excellent return game—had a chance to win at the end. Jauron blew that chance.
by Ron From NM on Nov 19, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
touche
Much more concise response than mine, Ron. The willingness to settle on that drive aligns with the air of contentment and lack of production at OBD over the last month. I’m not one for drastic changes with a young team that has shown promise, but I truly wish Dick would show more faith in his players in tight situations.
by jmorris0823 on Nov 19, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ron – there was NO wind in that stadium. Lindell had more than enough leg on the kick. He just pushed it.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 7:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wind or no, 47 yards is not a gimmie field goal for anyone
You won’t win consistently if you’re banking on long field goals at the end of regulation. I’m not blaming Lindell—sooner or later a kicker is going to miss the mark—but rather Jauron for not getting him in closer.
by Ron From NM on Nov 20, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you’re not blaming Lindell. I am. He’s a kicker that’s paid to make that kick. No, 47 isn’t a gimmie, but it’s not an instant miss, either. That’s a kick that Lindell can, and should have, made.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
And Edwards shouldn’t have thrown 3 INTs.
And Edwards shouldn’t have gone into a shell after throwing 3 INTs.
And Johnson shouldn’t have dropped a certain 1st down completion that could have helped Edwards crawl back out of his shell.
And Jackson shouldn’t have fumbled.
And Stroud should have blocked Dawson’s last FG.
And Corner should have at least disrupted Quinn on his blitz.
Physical miscues are going to happen from time to time. Lindell has been a good kicker for Buffalo but good kickers sometimes miss. Picking up that 1st down would have made it a 40 yard kick. Hasn’t Lindell hit something like 50ish consecutive FGs from inside of 40 yards? There’s a percentage to work around!
by Ron From NM on Nov 20, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the argument. See my post at the bottom for my thoughts on the subject.
I never said I didn’t like Lindell. I do. But he needs to make that kick.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Retort is a funny word
I respect your opinion. While actually watching it shows us it was the wrong way, Lindell has been solid.
The 56 yd FG was with the wind, Lindell was into it with a side component as well. Much more difficult as the ball is slowed up into the wind and thus moves more side to side than a ball that would get there quicker with the wind (sorry if that was obvious, working it out in my head as I typed).
There was a 1:26 left when the completion ended. They decided to run a play instead of immediately calling a timeout. Obviously I didnt want them to call a timeout, but regardless, they were on the 34 with more than enough time left to get closer.
Wasnt trying to put it in Trent’s hands, but at least do something to give yourself a chance to gain yards. Running at their only defensive stud (Rogers) was the most predictable and least effective option.
I need to take the time to use the fancy pink quote blocks, this would probably make a lot more sense. Either way, I would still be complaining if they made the kick, the defeatist attitude/willingness to settle after a moderate success extends far beyond that drive. It was a great comeback and to let it culminate with a difficult FG when you could have done more is disappointing. I understand it, but it is disappointing nonetheless.
by jmorris0823 on Nov 19, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to take the time to use the fancy pink quote blocks, this would probably make a lot more sense
Took me a while to get the quote thing down too my friend….
Edwards had just hit Royal for a 20ish yard gain.
Come on…I knew that ONE PASS would come back to bite me. I reiterate….did you really wanna put the game in Trent’s hands at that point?
Jorris, I really do agree with you that DJ coaches the game like a puss. I
Ok…a 47 yarder in the wind vs. a 56 yarder? And Lindell didn’t pull a Scott Norwood (o.k. he did but if my drunken memeory serves me correctly) he didn’t miss it that bad….regardless, he missed it.
Even if the pass (ideally on 2nd down) was incomplete,
We could have only hoped for an incompletion…what if it was an INT?…which i am sure the coaches….and everyone else watching the game thought was indeed possible…can you blame them? (and i am ONLY referring to that last series)
Look, I agree with you that DJ coaches like a puss…the irony is that his first name is what it is….but given the state of his QB, how his run game was producing, and the importance of that game (our season) they made the right call.
by MonStarr_716 on Nov 19, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm no field goal kicker....
Ok…a 47 yarder in the wind vs. a 56 yarder? And Lindell didn’t pull a Scott Norwood (o.k. he did but if my drunken memeory serves me correctly) he didn’t miss it that bad….regardless, he missed it.
as amatter of fact…most of my activities come by way of the couch these days….but i will give up 10ish yards in into the wind.
Come on fellas…Lindell should of made that kick. Even better, we shouldn’t even be having this conversation, because we SHOULD have won that game.
Along with the 3 before that…..not drinking kool aid either……those games were ours, but we did not want them
by MonStarr_716 on Nov 19, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
It would have been a lot less important, but I would still have been having the conversation, even if it was in my own head. I was taunting Dick through my television. I was irate at the time, and would have remained so even if the kick had gone through. Not only were they leaving a precarious FG opportunity, but also time on the clock. I would have rather they took a chance to get some yardage, even if it resulted in the Browns retaining a timeout.
I’ve (somehow) moved on (wreck yesterday, mentally and physically) though, and am looking forward to the Chiefs game. It will be a good road test against a team that we have the ability to beat.
The Chiefs receivers (accompanied by our secondary injuries) scare me a bit, and if LJ plays he will be fresh and a load (a fresh load?), but we should be able to move the ball and hopefully get some offensive momentum heading into the home stretch. I’m excited just to watch the kick/punt return teams. I cant remember any recent games quite like Monday where both teams were so terrified of kicking to the return men (especially with the Bills getting great returns despite the Browns efforts).
by jmorris0823 on Nov 20, 2008 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again – no wind.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 7:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry brother....
Jauron lost the game by playing not to lose.
4 turnovers lost that game, and minus 10 loses the season
by MonStarr_716 on Nov 19, 2008 11:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even with the 4 turnovers....
….in the final minutes the Bills had the ball 1-10 on the edge of field goal range. The Bills had two objectives on that last drive: get close enough for a high percentage field goal AND use up all of the available time. Both of those scream, “Get A First Down!” Jauron turned a deaf ear and instead opted for the long field goal AND left time on the clock.
It would not have mattered in the slightest if the team hadn’t had any turnovers. We’ve all see Jauron play for the long field goal at the end of the game instead of working to get the ball closer. It has worked in the past but sooner or later the kicker is going to miss.
by Ron From NM on Nov 20, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get how you can say this:
Jauron turned a deaf ear and instead opted for the long field goal AND left time on the clock.
He doesn’t call the plays! If he decided anything there, it was to keep the ball on the ground, and that’s it. He didn’t say “Meh, first down, schmirst down. Just kick it from here.” He didn’t call the 3 timeouts Crennel did. He very likely told Schonert to keep the ball on the ground, because as you may have noticed, Edwards sucked. He didn’t tell him to run it up the middle three times. He didn’t say first downs are optional. Schonert dialed up the mundane, easy-to-stop run plays. If you’re going to blame Jauron, at least blame Schonert too.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whether or not Jauron was calling the plays doesn’t matter. He might as well have been calling them. Turk called the sort of plays his boss (Jauron) wanted called—run plays. When the Browns called a timeout after first down it was obvious that there were only two possibilities: get a first down (killing the clock and getting closer for a field goal) or get the Browns to expend their time outs, go for the long field goal attempt and leave the Browns enough time to get back into field goal range.
The first down was the game and Jauron didn’t go for it. It’s not his nature. He’s just a risk averse guy.
by Ron From NM on Nov 20, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He might as well have been calling them.
Come on. That’s not a good argument. Seriously – Jauron said run; Schonert called boring run plays. Crennel got killed for passing three times before Dawson’s 56-yarder (“Just a few more yards, and that’s an easier field goal!”). The back and forth on these types of decisions is ridiculous.
Bottom line: Lindell is more than capable of making a 47-yard field goal. Jauron’s three runs forced Crennel to burn all 3 of his timeouts. There are a billion and a half arguments to make on either side of this thing. When push came to shove, Lindell missed a makeable field goal.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree that Jauron doesn’t take enough risks and the Bills might run the ball three times in a similiar situation in a different game too. I can’t say whether or not Jauron called those plays because he didn’t want to take the risk or not. I don’t have a problem with the three runs because the run game was more effective than the pass game all night. Marshawn was averaging more yards per play than Trent. I would have called three run plays too. If Trent had been throwing the ball a little better that night and/or the Marshawn had been running it a little worse, I would have been very dissapointed with the decision. But under the those exact circumstances, I can’t fault Jauron for keeping the ball on the ground. I mean, Lynch was averaging 5.7 yards per carry on the night and then he and the line (granted with some questionable dive calls) only picked up 5 yards on three carries. It’s tough to blame Jauron for that. I don’t think Jauron gave up on getting the first down until they ran it on third. In my opinion, the best way for the Bills to get that game winning first was to run the ball and stick with what kept you in the game all night.
by kaisertown on Nov 20, 2008 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs























