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Too many NFL teams fall into the trap of impatience. They look for the quick fix and the instant gratification of a playoff appearance. Sometimes, in the Browns' case last season and the Bills' case from earlier this season, some surprising early success can lead to unreasonable expectations. You almost expect another young, rebuilding team from a hungry small market -- think the Kansas City Chiefs -- to go through a similar situation next season.

Patience a needed virtue for young Browns, Bills - SportingNews.com. Very fitting reminder from SN's Vinnie Iyer.

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Good read

I am more willing to be patient with young players than old coaches.

by Joe P. on Nov 19, 2008 9:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whaaa

How come Miami and Jet fans get to enjoy their teams and we have to always be patient? I want candy too!

by south123 on Nov 19, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because of the way the teams were built. Miami and the Jets have vets at QB. Pennington and Favre have been there.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 10:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And so they are in trouble

right when we’ll be coming into our potential. Which means our defense will be feasting on young, inexperienced QBs

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Nov 19, 2008 1:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like we got ’em right where we want ’em.

Sorry, poz. Can’t help the sarcasm. I’m just in a bad mood today.

by thatguy34 on Nov 19, 2008 1:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sacrasm more than warranted

I’ve been overly optimistic in my life this week to compensate for Monday. I think loved ones are starting to get worried, they know this is not my normal reaction to a loss like that.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Nov 19, 2008 1:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jets fans won’t be enjoying their team next year when they’re in salary cap hell. Especially after they go one and done in the playoffs this year (at best).

by tm on Nov 19, 2008 10:05 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah – good article. Gives some perspective on our place in the AFC East

Bills fans should keep in mind that it’s still better to beat up on “bad” teams than it is to be one. The bigger wins will come in time….Too many NFL teams fall into the trap of impatience. They look for the quick fix and the instant gratification of a playoff appearance.

“Instant gratification” pretty much sums up the Jets-Favre thing. I agree, tm, about the Jets and Miami although in fairness I think Miami is building more for long term success (Damn you Parcells! Is it his mission in life to help our division opponents and mess with the Bills, or is he coming here next?). But the Jets are definitely in salary-cap hell and saddled with a QB that qualifies for AARP discounts.

Patience is the key but the quick turn-around of the Jets and Miami is still irksome.

by Zumone on Nov 19, 2008 10:18 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with the message

Clearly we let the 4 wins in the beginning of the season pump up our hopes to unreasonable expectations. I fully agree that we need to realize that we are building something special and that we need to be a bit more patient.

That being said, I don’t know how that correlates to keeping Jauron around, not sure that he is the reason why we drafted Lynch/Edwards/Poz or signed Mitchell or Stroud in the off season. He could be the reason why we still have Royal/Fowler in the mix, when both positions were available in the draft. I know that DJ seems like a nice guy and he seems to be able to keep the team from being too down on themselves but is he really a good coach? He seems totally unable to instill the sense of urgency or inject passion into our guys. I would like to see some emotion, some passion come out sometimes, show that it means something to you, you know what I mean..

When we go into battle, I feel very comfortable with the individual match ups but I never, ever feel that we have a shrewder coach than the other side, never! I am always worried that he might fall asleep. The way he blunders challenges and misuses timeouts is so frustrating. As the season progresses I am of the opinion that it is critical to get a coach that can get us to the next level, someone that understands a thing or two about smash mouth football and playing in the severe conditions of buffalo, someone that can show some passion. Mr Wilson should sell the team before he passes in order to get an owner that is fully committed to winning and not just getting by.

by keysh67 on Nov 19, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only thing

that worries me is what dropping Jauron would do to the development of all of our young players. Remember what such overture has done to our young players in the past: completely stunted promising development.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Nov 19, 2008 1:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't worry about that

its not like anyother NFL team would want him.

we could hire him as a “continuity” coordinator

they make positions up in the NFL everyday. this would work

by J2 on Nov 19, 2008 1:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"continuity" coordinator

Good one, J2

by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2008 7:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The way he blunders challenges and misuses timeouts is so frustrating.

I don’t like the way the team uses timeouts, either, but not all of that can be put on Jauron. My biggest pet peeve is when the offense can’t get out of the huddle and get the snap off in time to avoid a timeout. I HATE that, but that’s not Dick’s fault. That’s on Schonert/Edwards and communication.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 10:27 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its almost like Schonert has never done this before.

by Zumone on Nov 19, 2008 10:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not the first time

Brian, if it were the first time then I would agree with you but it isn’t. The Head Coach must be on top of these things and get them fixed and he hasn’t so yes I agree it is more on Edwards/Schonert but Jauron should be fixing it one way or the other. I have been coaching for several years and I prepare for situations in order to be able to react quickly and take advantage of momentum & confusion. At a minimum being ready for it will force the opposing team into taking a timeout. But to actually be the team taking a time out in that situation when you’ve got them reeling and gasping for air, is just plain un-prepared!

Jauron seems like a really nice & calm person, which is great in some circumstances but in the overall picture he is quite mediocre at best. I think what we need in Buffalo is a proven winner that can teach this young team how to go out and get it done! Play aggressive & play to win – as opposed to playing wimpy and playing not to loose. Buffalo is one of the best venues, it is a hostile environment, with a tough climate and a great 12th player – there is no reason in the world to be playing wimpy.

by keysh67 on Nov 19, 2008 12:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This isn’t necessarily a response to you, but a general question I’d like to pose to those who aren’t as comfortable with Jauron as I am…

Most of y’all want to replace Jauron with “a proven winner”. How many of those are there just floating around, exactly? Better yet, how many of them are there who would actually come to Buffalo? It’s not like we’ve got the option to dump the guy for Bill Belichick Jr. Don’t give me Schottenheimer or Cowher; Schottenheimer is done, and Cowher wouldn’t mesh well with Ralph Wilson.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gregg Robinson is available.

by Zumone on Nov 19, 2008 1:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d sooner bring back Gregg Williams.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 1:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gee

What’s up with the extra ‘g’ in these Gregg’s?

by Zumone on Nov 19, 2008 1:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greggggggggggggg is synonymous with aroggggggggggggggance.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 1:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hilarious!

At least if the Bills hired him, we would know longer be able to find rock bottom! He doesn’t know where it is.

by syrbillsfan on Nov 19, 2008 1:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what i want

is a coach that has the balls to win the game. play to win. thats what i want.

a coach with a hard nosed old school approach that won’t take crap from players and knows how to motivate.

a coach who is prepared on game day

a coach that reckognizes what their doing wrong and fixes it instead of trying the same thing over and over

a coach who is unpredictable

i’m not sure who that coach is. but ralph gets paid millions for his team….hire someone to find that guy…you got the $$!!!!

by J2 on Nov 19, 2008 1:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Marty isn't done yet

And I’d like to know why you think that Cowher wouldn’t mesh?

I also like Rex Ryan a lot. He’d credentials are great and I’ve been of the opinion that our team could easily be converted to a 3-4 scheme, which in my opinion is much better suited to stop the run. In our weather, an aggressive 3-4 is better.

On the Cowher meshing note.. I think that Mr Wilson should sell the team while he is still alive. I think that a big reason for our situation is the uncertainty. A new owner would automatically mean a renewed passion and hope. New ownership would surely want to add their say in the coaching & front office. Until Ralph sells the team, I guess calling for Jauron’s head is premature. Or another way of looking at it is if Ralph could actually go out and get a guy like Cowher, it would probably increase the value of the team and could help secure a local buyer.

by keysh67 on Nov 19, 2008 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, Marty’s done. Trust me. You won’t see him coaching again.

Cowher would need to come in like Parcells went into Dallas – the #2 guy behind the owner. He’d need GM control as well as head coaching duties. He’s not going to get that out of Ralph Wilson.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 1:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why we are in this predicament now

Ralph Wilson will not pay big bucks for a top line head coach. Oh, well. Oh, swell.

everything goes better with bacon

by keuka121 on Nov 19, 2008 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd take Marty Schot IF

we have an assistant head coach that would take over the whole show once we are in the playoffs!!!

everything goes better with bacon

by keuka121 on Nov 19, 2008 2:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting to the playoffs would be a huge improvement!!

At least Marty gets there!

And I think the guy has gotten a bad rap, there is no way that he wouldn’t have done equal or better than Turner.

by keysh67 on Nov 19, 2008 3:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Impatience? Quick fix? Unreasonable expectations? Seriously?

From a fanbase and organizational standpoint, we have been waiting 8 years (I think I can start saying 9 years now). We are now on our 3rd regime attempting to reach the playoffs. I’m not even concerned about a Super Bowl, contending in our conference, our even winning a playoff game. I’d just like to see a playoff game.

As a team, we are now in year 3 of the Jauron project. I see no real end in sight; in fact, I’m not sure we’ve even reached a milestone. Whitner made a playoff guarantee in the preseason (Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.) Poz backs his guarantee. Several other players speak of the playoffs as the season goal. Hell, even the guarded, conservative Jauron indicated that playoffs were the ultimate goal. Not to mention their ridiculously easy schedule (outside of divisional games) and the fact the Tom Brady went down 8 minutes into the season to bring the high flying Patriots back to Earth. I would hardly call expecting playoffs this year “unreasonable.” It was unreasonable to think that at 5-1 the Bills would actually miss the playoffs.

I understand the main theory in the article and how it pertains to the Bills. Supposedly, the Bills are a good (certainly not great), young team with potential for the future. However, I’m beginning to wain on that point. Maybe they do. But they certainly haven’t shown that over the last quarter of the season.

Expecting “instant gratification” isn’t unreasonable. The Falcons have a first year coach and a rookie QB. The Ravens have a first year coach and a rookie QB. The Redskins have a first year coach and a third year QB. The Packers have a second year coach and a fourth year QB who started his first game this year. All these teams appear to show more promise than the Bills AND have a shot at the postseason this year. Meanwhile, the Bills continue to look no closer to the postseason than the previous year(s).

by thatguy34 on Nov 19, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, yes, we know how long we’ve been miserable. The article refers to “impatience” as it relates to this specific regime, which has been on the job for less than 3 years.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 12:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get that a lot, and never know if it’s meant as a compliment or an insult.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 12:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

probably both

:)

depending on situation

by J2 on Nov 19, 2008 12:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just take it as a compliment. Makes my life easier to understand. Plus, who in their right mind would insult me? :)

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 12:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

i just was trying to light a fire under your ass. your starting to remind me of juron on days like this. oh did i just say that? i’m sorry

by J2 on Nov 19, 2008 1:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh

*jauron…i gotta read my posts sometimes..i always do typos

but your optimism is not a bad thing…..it just has to be really difficult to do these days. i’ve tried. and failed

by J2 on Nov 19, 2008 1:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you’re comparing me to Jauron – and, weirdly, you wouldn’t be the first – I’m flattered.

I’m not optimistic. I’m just not pessimistic.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 1:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’ve just been burned too many times over the last 20 years not to be pessimistic at this point.

as unreal as it seems…i think i’ve reached my breaking point. i know you don’t know me..but i’m as die hard as it comes. i just lost interest in investing my time in a crappy product every year

by J2 on Nov 19, 2008 1:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’m 23. Guess I’ve got a ways to go to reach your breaking point.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 19, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I addressed “impatience” as it relates to this specific regime. The “how long we’ve been miserable” was one sentence of my entire post.

by thatguy34 on Nov 19, 2008 1:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, yes, we know how long we’ve been miserable. The article refers to "impatience" as it relates to this specific regime, which has been on the job for less than 3 years.

But the main point by thatguy34 was that the Ravens and Falcons are each in the first year of their regimes, and they are having more success.

by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2008 8:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By a game? They’re 6-4; we’re 5-5. I don’t see much different between those 3 teams.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2008 8:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again, the difference is it’s their first year, but third for the Bills.

by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2008 4:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, so we were 4-6 in 2006 at this point, and about to win 3 of our next 4 to get to 7-7 and in the thick of the playoff chase. I still don’t think we’re that far behind them.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2008 4:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Counting your chickens a little early, aren’t we? ;-)

by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2008 9:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The chickens were counted, my friend. I’m saying that IN 2006, the Bills were 4-6 after their first 10 games, and then won 3 of their next 4 to get to 7-7. So with 2 games to play in 2006, the Bills were 7-7. They then proceeded to lose to Vince Young and the Titans at The Ralph in a game in which Robert Royal stepped out of bounds on an obvious scoring play and Rian Lindell (shocker!) missed a key field goal.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 22, 2008 8:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops

misunderstood what you meant.

Falcons looked pretty good today beating a formerly 8-2 Carolina team.

by thefourwinds on Nov 24, 2008 4:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

spot on

the problem lies of course with Ralph from the beginning. He hires losing head coaches or head coaches that never coached in the league then wonder why they fail. Just because your a good coordinator does not mean your a good head coach.

Then look at the front office. our scouting guys are no where near the bill polian or scott pioli’s of the world. it starts with Ralph.

And this article fails to realize your exact point “thatguy34”. how long do we have to sit through a rebuilding phase? this is 3 years of the ivy league dynamic duo that get worse every single year. fails in the spotlight. plays with no sense of urgency is completely unprepared for game day decisions. same old same old. i bought this record 10 years ago and its the same crap. we’ve been rebuilding since ’99. impatient??? i think not

the change needs to start from the top. after wilson passes if somehow (i don’t think we can) kelly can become an owner in ANY capactity and if it stays in buffalo (i don’t think it will) i beleive he would do whatever it takes to win. just like any fan would. ralph doesn’t care or doesn’t have the capacity to care anymore. lets hire a bunch of coordinators and losing coaches then wonder why our teams sucks. get someone in there that wants to win. at any cost…i’d take bellichick and his cheating ways at this point. at least it’d be fun to watch!

by J2 on Nov 19, 2008 12:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See Jeff Fisher Wiki page

If you want to calm yourselves down, go check out Jeff Fisher, coach of the Tennessee Titans wiki page. If you look at the first few years of his tenure, it is remarkably similar to Dick Jaurons first few years here. Remarkably similar 1-5, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8, 8-8. Look at even Bill Belichick’s career. We need to have patience. The absolute worst thing that could happen for the Bills future would be to fire Dick. He has on the job experience, knowledge of our personnel and organization that could translate to great success in the next couple of years. The chances of finding a new head coach that would be “The One” would be much less than 1%, where as DJ could very well find himself coaching a perennial ployoff contender if we just show patience.

by syrbillsfan on Nov 19, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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