Bills lose second straight, third of last four
Say it with me, kids: "Pretenders."
After a 4-0 start to the season, the Buffalo Bills have now dropped three of four - including two straight division games - to fall to 5-3. The latest disappointment? Sunday's 26-17 loss to the New York Jets.
Just two weeks ago, the Bills were 5-1 atop the division and considered the front-runners in a diluted - yet still highly competitive - AFC East. Now they're 5-3, two games in the hole against their three biggest rivals, and are proving to have far more "pretender" than "contender" in them. The kicker: they're doing it to themselves.
Sloppy play + no run game = ...
Let's get this out there straight away: the Bills did a lot of good things offensively today. It didn't matter. Three more turnovers, five more sacks of Trent Edwards and a turnover on downs deep in Jets territory led to just 10 offensive points despite the fact that the Bills were 8 of 13 on third downs and were able to make some plays through the air.
The biggest problem for Buffalo offensively - get ready for a shocker here - is that they're putting too much onto the shoulders of Edwards. Second-year quarterbacks shouldn't face the burden that Edwards has during the past handful of games; sans any form of a rushing attack, Edwards has been forced to carry the team - and like any second-year quarterback, he's had his good moments and, unfortunately, more bad moments. Simply put, if Buffalo can't find a way to run the football effectively, we're going to continue to see this type of offensive attack - effective statistically, but not when it really matters.
Can we dispense with the "Duke Preston should start at center" talk? The young center was absolutely man-handled by Jets NT Kris Jenkins today to the tune of 5 tackles, 2 sacks and plenty of time spent on his (Preston's) rotund backside. Jenkins also completely eradicated Buffalo's "running game"; Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson combined for a pitiful 31 yards on 16 carries.
Not even Favre can hand Buffalo a 'W'
Brett Favre did his best in the fourth quarter to keep the Bills alive; that's what he's done best this season, after all. A Jabari Greer interception (extend him!) on a patented Favre duck was returned 42 yards for a score, cutting the Jets lead to 23-17 with 10 minutes to play. The Bills defense then responded by allowing the Jets to take nearly 9 of those minutes off of the clock, surrendering the decisive field goal in the process.
Buffalo has got to find a way to get their opponents' offensive attacks out of rhythm, and they need to do it three weeks ago. For two straight weeks, the Dolphins and Jets have methodically picked apart the Bills, eradicating the Aaron Schobel-less pass rush and sapping the Bills' energy and momentum in the process. I don't care how it's done. Something needs to change in that respect, because when the offense is in rhythm, the Bills can't make plays defensively. It's as simple as that.
What do these two losses mean? I'm struggling to find the broad perspective tonight, so I'll keep this to a personal level: for 8 weeks, including last week in Miami, I was a believer. I believed Edwards could lead this team back from these types of deficits. I believed our coaching staff could get this team to play inspired football. I believed that this team, though young, was smart enough to learn from its mistakes. But I'm not seeing Edwards do what we know he can do - and it's because he's not ready to carry the entire team on his shoulders. I'm not seeing the coaching staff make smart decisions, both situationally as well as with personnel. I'm seeing the team make the same mistakes week in and week out - turnovers, penalties, poor run blocking, etc. Am I still a believer? Not one bit. There's a chance that this Bills team can still make the playoffs - heck, there's even a chance they could take the division. I'll believe it when I see it.
Game Balls
Don't make me laugh.
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Thanks to the 26 folks who stopped by today's game thread. Kudos to Kurupt for once again holding down the fort during a home game; he also paced the day with 94 comments. Joe P and D.O. each surpassed 50 as well.
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This is the same team as the past few years, with the same problems and same coaching deficiencies. I really don’t see how this year will play out much differently. Trent is a better QB than we’ve had, but we can’t run the ball and we don’t have many gamebreakers. And our OL stinks yet again. The D is the same garbage. Better run D, but the pass D can’t get it done, and worst of all, we can’t get the stops when we need them most.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 6:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1+
As I write this, Miami is beating Denver by nine in Denver with two minutes to play/. Could we go into Denver and win? I doubt it. The AFC is crazy this year, totally wide open and – as you say – we could be the fourth-best team among the four. It’s entirely possible…..and totally disgusting.
by ccthemovieman on Nov 2, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, what it comes down to is this: if we lose next week in New England (hardly a stretch to believe), we’ll be 5-4. The Bills were 5-4 last year, too – except they had momentum at that point. Buffalo’s gotta figure this crap out FAST.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not counting on many adjustments….are you?
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. But I also think we’d be 7-1 right now if we protected the football better. Ultimately, that’s what’s killing us. And that’s what’s most frustrating, because we just aren’t playing the style of football Jauron prefers – run, win the TO battle, keep the point total low.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
at this point, it’s pretty obvious, but we’re the 4th team in the AFC East…..
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you a case of beer they don't finish in last place in the AFC East.
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I might take you up on that depending on the quality of the beer in question. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you have lost all your optimism
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For tonight, at least. I don’t think I’ve ever been this down on the Bills, and it has a lot to do with the expectations of a 5-1 start and a Tom Brady-less AFC East. We were 4-2 against this division last season…
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unrealistic expectations. They had to start 5-1 to drag us into thinking they were actually good. Dang
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Brian,
but this is what K and I were afraid of. You could see it coming. We were very lucky and had a lot of help from the other teams in the 4th quarter wins early in the year. Sounds like C and DE are locked in at the top of the draft/FA wish list.
by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wish we weren’t on the right path with what we thought….I’d much rather have been proven wrong as we keep winning, but we simply aren’t good enough to be a consistent winner. It stinks.
If DE and C aren’t at the top of the offseason shopping list, I would be totally shocked. Then again, I wouldn’t be that shocked based on what the Bills FO has thought of the trenches in the last decade.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst part is
that FAs like “Panda” and Tony G. are proven right. When you have players turning down the Bills and taking less money to play with teams like SF or staying with KC….well, it tells you what players think of the Bills organization.
by Joe P. on Nov 3, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be true, but I don’t even want to think about that….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 3, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure we’ll finish in last though….right now we’re 4th best though
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's subjective my friend.
And Brian – I’m open for any kind of beer..
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets at least hope the patriots lose tnoight
by StuckInNJ on Nov 2, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree. I don’t want the Pats to have a reason to focus even more on kicking our asses. Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter – next week is a must-win for us, and it’ll look bleak either way.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree to the disagree
Of course we need the Pats to lose.
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Next week, biggest game of the season, do or die. Please Buffalo Staff prepare prepare prepare.
by StuckInNJ on Nov 2, 2008 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kick Off Question
I was baffled at the KO where the Jets returner had his foot out of bounds at the eight,and then the Jets got the ball at the forty. What happened on that?
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The rule is that if the player is out of bounds when he fields the ball it is the same as if the kick went out of bounds.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 2, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then that was a very, very, very heads up play.
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smart players make smart players. Leon Washington is one of those high IQ type players.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
doy….“make smart plays” not players….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a genius play...
That play gave the Jets a 32 yard swing, and stiffled the confused Buffalo crowd.
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Eh was not out of bounds when he received the ball, he went out of bounds and then picked up the ball. If it’s by the rule, the rule seems quite silly to me, because the ball was clearly in bounds. The rule negates the physical reality of the situation!
by patamunzo on Nov 3, 2008 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His right foot was out of bounds, and he reached over and picked the ball up with his foot still planted out of bounds. It was the right call, just a bad break for the Bills. If the ball is another 1.5 feet to the left, he can’t do that.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 3, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This loss sucked, I was in a room full of Jets fans and talked a lot of trash early and I payed the price later, but it all caomes back to one thing; Where did we all see this team at the begining of the year? 9-7, 10-6 ? They are still on track for that.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 2, 2008 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
but starting 5-1 and finishing 9-7 or whatever is just a major disappointment. If that happens, I want Jauron’s head on a stick!!!!!!!!!!! It should NOT happen with the schedule we have…..
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
but we just extended Jauron. Too bad because Bill Cowher seems to like the Bills. I wonder if he would want to coach here?
by Joe P. on Nov 3, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be opposed to him taking some sort of advisory role, a la Levy. But clearly, he’s not going to coach here, because the franchise has committed to Jauron, and Cowher isn’t going to be an assistant.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 3, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would never work....Jauron and Cowher
are at opposite ends philosophically. Case in point, Bill P. brought in his type of coach to coach the Fins.
by Joe P. on Nov 3, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to know something..
What exactly has changed since last year? We have a better QB, the O-line has been together longer, the same great RB, in theory we have better play-calling and more efficient passing attack. We are way less predictable on the run plays than we were last year…
Oddly enough my gutt tells me that we suck at establishing the run but I compared our rushing yards at week 9 from last year to this year and we are only down about 12%
through week 9:
(2007) ML=690y/177 attempts Others RBs=89y/29 attempts Total: 779y/206 attempts
(2008) ML=466y/132 attempts FJ=223/56 attempts Total: 689y/188 attempts
Another big revelation was the fact that last year we seemed to win when we ran well over 21-23 times. Each game where we ran less times we lost. This year seems to be the same we ran the ball for well over 23 carries in our first four games and then 14 carries against ARI, 28 against SD, 23 against MIA and then 16 today.
I might just be an idiot fan but it would seem to me that it is not so much that we cannot run the ball properly as much as we are not being patient enough when trying to establish it. This brings me to think that the biggest blame should be on the coaching staff for not realizing it and not sticking with it. After all, nothing has changed from last year and in fact because we have such a quick release QB it should actually be even better than last year.
Brian’s breakdown a few days ago was great at showing that we are predictable by our formations and that we do not play-action enough.
So it seems quite simple, run the ball over 25 times per game and win football games – so why are we not doing this?
by keysh67 on Nov 2, 2008 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the easy point to make here, keysh, is that the Bills don’t chalk up that magic number of carries in losses because they’re playing catch-up.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my point was that they need to stick with it
As much as I did not like Fairchild, at least he was patient & conservative. The fact that we came from behind a few times was great and it should be proof that it can be done. So that even more reason to stick with the running game because we know that we can pull it off at the end.. The running game normally gets better as the game wears on, so it’s no time to abandon it because we are impatient.
by keysh67 on Nov 2, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s because we can’t gain any yards when we do run it. It’s hard to establish the run when you can’t block or call plays to the outside.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we so sure plays to the outside will work?
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We aren't
but we won’t know until we try….Every time Marshawn gets into space, he seems to make good things happen. I don’t know why we don’t try sweeps or pitches with him. I am just sick of seeing the same garbage dive plays for 1-2 yards at a time. Turk doesn’t play to our strengths with Lynch/Jackson to the outside and some of our big, mobile OL pulling in front of them.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They would call those plays though...
If they thought they would work, right? Now, this next statement is just busting your chops, so take it as is….
Just because a play works on MAdden doesn’t mean it will work in real life….
by krytime on Nov 2, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t play Madden so that won’t apply to me. But back when I did, I never ran the ball any how :)
Maybe those runs would work, maybe (probably) not. But my point is, we obviously can’t run it up the middle, so why not try some outside runs? You can’t be so predictable in your run calls and expect success. The few times we have run it out there, it works. So why aren’t we trying it more? I’m of the mindset that if something doesn’t work, try something new. I’m so sick of seeing the same plays, same schemes and status quo in areas that we struggle without any adjustments or changes. I don’t know what we should try specifically, but I do think that an attempt needs to be made at least!!!
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 3, 2008 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not try it krytime?
Could we really run it worst than we do now?
by Joe P. on Nov 3, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure that's true
I think the fact that Fred is getting more carries is affecting Marshawn’s average. Cause when we add them together the totals are similar to last year.
If I had the time I’d go back and also look at the total plays from scrimmage and see the % of run vs Pass. Cause I am certain that we are getting off more plays from scrimmage this year.
It is just very clear to me that whether it was last year or this year, when we run the ball 23-24 times or more we tend to win. And EVERY time that we did not, we lost!
That all being said, it does look like the line is worse than last year at run-blocking.. I don’t really know why because in theory they should have improved. The Bills Management should try to convince McNally to come back, at the very least as a consultant.
by keysh67 on Nov 3, 2008 7:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard to go by that for this game. The Jets have one of the better run defenses in the league, and the Bills couldn’t block Jenkins.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 3, 2008 6:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On a positive note...
Derek Fine looked pretty good today
by keysh67 on Nov 2, 2008 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He and Royal were basically the extent of Buffalo’s passing attack, along with Marshawn’s opening screen and a few nice third downs by Roscoe.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is KGB worth looking at?
GB released him yesterday. He had 9.5 sacks & 2 FF last year, maybe the bills should consider bringing him in for a workout? Especially with Schobel out…
by keysh67 on Nov 2, 2008 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There’s a FanPost on this exact topic…
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We better be geared to stop the run
because New England has almost no pass attack anymore. Imagine having Randy Moss and Wes Welker suddenly almost invisible. Even with a third or fourth-string running back, they can still run (better than us, sad to say).
Watching New England right now is giving me hope next week……the Pats are very, very beatable.
Then again, they have Belechick and we have Jauron.
by ccthemovieman on Nov 2, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cassel hasn’t been that terrible when given time. With our pass rush, he should be plenty comfortable hitting the crossing routes and underneath stuff to Welker, Moss and Faulk. I think we’ll struggle again.
And you’re right, Belicheck is going to wipe his arse with Jauron….as usual
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was...just..ugh
BTW- Don’t buy tix from stubhub, I got fakes and ended up not getting into the stadium til a little over halfway through the first. So today was just frustrating all around.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 2, 2008 10:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
THINK
Ok. I haven’t read every single one of the comments above but this loss was bad, I agree with everyone. But people need to put everything into perspective. We were all giddy about the 4-0 start but everyone was playing light years ahead of where we thought. We still have a young team. It is only half-way through the year and we are tied for the AFC East lead. If anyone asked any Bills fan if they would take 5-3 and tied for the AFC East lead, they would have taken it. The season didn’t end today. The Bills, Jets, and Pats, are all obviously pretty close in talent so the rest of the games will be toss ups. Our schedule isn’t ridiculously hard for the next few games, so everyone needs to take this loss as what it is. A week 9 loss. Thats it. We have a half of season left, and I’m actually surprised that Galiford is so down on the team. I’m not at all saying that this was fine that we lost, but as I stated before, the season is not over. The AFC East, and better yet, the 2nd seed in the whole AFC is completely up for grabs. GO BILLS!!!
by billsct11 on Nov 3, 2008 12:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
everyone needs to take this loss as what it is. A week 9 loss. Thats it.
No, sorry, that’s not it. It’s a third loss in the last four games. It’s a second straight division loss. It’s a loss at home. It was MUCH more than just a Week 9 loss.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 3, 2008 6:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to have missed this unmitigated disaster
Who knew attending a funeral could have a hidden blessing eh? Anyhow, from what everyone said it appears the same bugaboo that killed us in Miami struck again. Brian, I can call for Fewell’s head again if you would like, but won’t have any specific things to call him on, sorry.
If Fine looked as good as people said he did catching the ball, lets play him full time. Btw, how often was Steven Johnson on the field? I think Reed’s injury is really hurting the O.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Nov 3, 2008 1:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t Fewell today, WA. It was getting 10 points out of 4 red zone trips offensively. Stupid mistakes cost us this game. The defense actually held Favre in check most of the day; they only gave up two big drives, and unfortunately, one of them came at the most critical of times.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 3, 2008 6:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The team is beating themselves, that is the bottom line at this point. The types of mistakes they have made the last 2 weeks are correctible. it’s up to the coaching staff to correct the mistakes and put the team in a position to succeed. which brings me to my next point: running the ball. again schonert gave up on the run too early. Oakland beat the jets by continually pounding the ball and wearing the jets defense down. with the size of our line we could have done the same but chose to abandon it.
by gatornation on Nov 3, 2008 7:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson got on on a few plays and made the catches..
Although they were in the backfield. He made a great shoestring catch at one point. I would definitely like to see him more, not that I don’t like Parrish but he doesn’t seem to be quite as productive as he thinks he can be. I look at the intensity that Welker brings to the table (similar sized player) and it just seems like he plays with so much more intensity. Johnson seems to play with some intensity and I love his size. Could end up playing like a Breaston type player.
by keysh67 on Nov 3, 2008 7:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im done
im not coming into open thread any more cause it seems every time I do the bills lose
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