What has happened to QB Trent Edwards?
by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 9:02 AM EST
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Losers of four straight, there are a lot of documented issues with the 2008 Buffalo Bills. Line issues; poor play-calling; coaching concerns; these are all discussed ad nauseum amongst a rather distraught Bills fan base, most of them with good reason.
Chief amongst the concerns, however, is one question: Where on earth has the Trent Edwards we know and love disappeared to?
Statistically, Edwards' drop-off over the past four games - again, all Bills losses - is borderline mind-boggling. It's difficult to fathom how a QB can drop from this stat line through six games...
Weeks 1-7: 106/152 (69.7% completions), 1209 yards (7.95 yards per attempt), 5 TD, 2 INT, 98.82 rating
... to this stat line over the past four.
Weeks 8-11: 74/119 (62.2% completions), 784 yards (6.59 yards per attempt), 3 TD, 8 INT, 61.75 rating
When the team started 5-1, Edwards was sacked 11 times in what really amounts to five games and one drive (he missed all but three plays in the loss to Arizona). He lost 2 fumbles in those games. Over the four-game losing streak, he's lost 2 more fumbles on 9 more sacks. To put it lightly, Trent Edwards has sucked.
What's Gone Wrong
There are a lot of theories as to why Edwards is struggling; I'd like to put one of them to rest right away. Edwards isn't struggling due to post-concussion symptoms. Nothing about the way Edwards has played has changed aside from confidence; it's what the Bills are doing, coupled with some unorthodox approaches by our opponents, that are doing Edwards in.
First and foremost, Buffalo became too dependent too quickly on Edwards. He got off to a blazing start this year, and with the offense struggling to run the ball, the fate of the entire team was placed on Edwards' shoulders. Naturally - and not unsurprisingly - those shoulders gave way. Buffalo re-discovered its rushing game against Cleveland. That's going to help Edwards work through his mega-slump.
The lack of a run game can be directly attributed to that predictable play-calling we've discussed thoroughly here; it also has a lot to do with poor line play. Buffalo's offensive line has regressed mightily from 2007 to 2008, most prominently in the interior. As a result, Edwards is getting hit, though that has changed of late with teams blitzing less. Ron from NM accurately pointed out that early in the season, Edwards was burning opposing defenses that blitzed him. Our opponents paid attention; they rarely blitz these days. Cleveland spent most of Monday Night rushing three linemen. (Blame Ron!)
All of these factors - lack of a run game, poor line play, poor play-calling, unreasonable expectations - have snowballed into four catastrophic games for our young quarterback. That's not figuring in the injury to Edwards' favorite target, WR Josh Reed, and the subsequent lack of production from the folks trying to replace Reed in the lineup. (Reed is likely to return to the lineup this weekend in Kansas City.) His confidence is clearly shot. Feel free to blame Edwards for the team's four-game losing streak; he can take it. Just don't put all of the blame on him.
How to Fix It
In my estimation, there's only one way to right the sinking ship that is Trent Edwards. I like to call it the "Joe Flacco offense". Baltimore has cruised to a 6-4 record behind their rookie quarterback because they're doing offensively what the Bills should have been doing all along - protecting their young signal-caller.
I don't blame Buffalo's coaching staff for putting more on Edwards' shoulders after the way he started the season. We were all excited; Edwards wasn't putting up Peyton Manning numbers, clearly, but his efficiency was remarkable for such a young player. It's natural to put more on his plate when he's amongst the five highest-rated passers in the league. He's not there anymore, and it's time Buffalo recognized it.
Edwards is the future of the franchise, whether you like it or not. I love it. Kid's a leader, and he works his tail off. But that future is in serious doubt if the Bills don't find a way to boost this kid's confidence before the '08 season ends. He's done everything by the book. Now Buffalo needs to go by the book, too - run the ball, get Edwards moving, get creative with the play-calling. Make it easier for Edwards to get the ball to his playmakers. Doing that will bring back Efficient Trent. Efficient Trent is confident, and leads the Bills to wins. That's really the long and short of it. Keep it simple, and we'll see the "Trent of old" come roaring back into the picture.
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It’s a double edged sword. IMO, Trent still has thrown the picks, turned the ball over etc. He is not hiding from those mistakes. But has he been put into a situation to succeed? Not even close….Let’s look at Atlanta and Baltimore who have 2 rookie QB’s and our of to winning seasons.
Atlanta rush yds per game = 153 yds, 2nd in the NFL
Baltimore rush yds game = 147 yds 3rd in NFL
Buffalo rush yds game = 99.6 yds 24th in NFL
I’m sure if we went deeper into the numbers some other things would shake out as well….cuz Atlanta and Baltimore have played from leads a lot, and ran the ball more, while Buffalo has trailed for most of EVERY game that it has lost.
It isn’t as simple as RUN THE BALL, and be conservative cuz we also know how that works…see 2007 Bills. But IT IS as simple as greater and more runs EARLY, and often, and PLAY ACTION early & often, and go in with the attitude for once of our OFFENSe dictating to their DEFENSE.
Trent will be fine. Sure he has thrown some terrilbe passes, but this isn’t PAC-10 football like Schonert is winging it around. Shotgun, 4 wide is not what we should be doing in November in Buffalo. Let’s go Schonert. Figure it out through your thick head.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 20, 2008 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
we've trailed in almost every game we've won too!
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Nov 20, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick Math
1st year Coodinator + 2nd year QB + overall young team + surging AFC East (Miami, Jets, and the Brady-less Pats are all play-off contenders) + a flurry of picks to start of a MNF game =
4 straight losses and I’m not worried about Trent.
by Zumone on Nov 20, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice write Brian.
Your poll should of had a 3rd option….Yes, if he proves he can play in the cold. We should have that answer soon. Aside from confidence, great QBs all have short term memory loss, meaning they are able to forget that bad pick they just throw and keep firing the ball with authority. The coaches need to help Edwards by using the running game, but they also need to show confidence in him by letting him take his shots when they present themselves, like calling a pass instead of 3 dumb runs at the end of the Cleveland game.
by Joe P. on Nov 20, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good one Brian
I agree that we need to keep pounding the ball more.
What worries me is that on Monday night Cleveland only rushed three D-Linemen, dropping 8 into coverage. We on the other hand only sent out 2 guys most of the time in an effort to protect our QB. So obviously trying to force a ball downfield was basically impossible (hence Evans=no throws). Was that the only we were able to run? Having a 8-3 advantage? Were the extra guys staying back to pass protect rendered useless and our coordinator was unable to re-adjust?
I guess my point is that I’m not certain that our running game actually got started, seemed more like the defense was letting us run. I guess the idea of lining up in the shotgun with both backs on either side is a great way of edging a blitz and then flaring them out is the equivalent of an outside run play.. Maybe it’s the right approach… I just would like to see a bit more creativity in trying to breakdown the soft zone in order to take pokes downfield. Would be nice to see motion from one of the backs, resetting which would give them 4 targets with the TE. They cannot continue to only take what the defense gives them, they need to press a bit. We need to find ways of dictating our own pace and not just feeding off what they are willing to give us!
by keysh67 on Nov 20, 2008 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Take what the defense gives you. Run until we can pass again. That’s the only option we have, along with running some play-action. It’s the way to score points right now, and it’s also the way to get Edwards back on track. Win-win in my book.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boot Leg
I agree with getting the run game going is important to turn it around (and helping Trent). But aside from play action, why can’t Turk call for more boot leg for Edwards to buy more time and see the field better? Mike Shanahan calls a lot of boot leg for Jay Cutler to give the young QB more time and space. I don’t recall seeing a lot of boot leg calls. Is there a reason for that?
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by moncheri on Nov 23, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting the Ball to Playmakers...
Maybe we need to see a WR Screen to Evans. Just to get him the ball, you know? If he’s a play maker let’s at least get his hands on the ball even if it is at the LOS. It’s got to be better than no catches.
Good Post Brian.
by Frank L on Nov 20, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Never Waivered on Edwards
Regardless – he wasn’t that good in the beginning of the season. Save for the fourth quarter of some games, other than that he really never lit anyone up. I’m not really sure if everyone was watching the first 3 quarters of all the games we won this season because he definately never lit anyone up. Was he good, efficient and heady for a second year QB…absolutely.
He has the makings of a good QB. He hasn’t gotten there yet at all this year. No multiple TD games yet. Threw for over 300 only once or even at all? I’m not sure on that one. I’m not sure i’d put that in the “blazing start” category. He did help us win games..against bad teams as it turns out.
He will be fine and a good QB because he is heady and definately the future of this franchise – IMO.
by J2 on Nov 20, 2008 10:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
289 yds against the Jets is the most he’s had yet. no multiple TD games and 3 multiple INT games. one multiple fumble game and 5 total fumbles
by J2 on Nov 20, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God those are ugly stats!!
lets see what Hamndens got. can’t be much worse.
by jimkutica on Nov 20, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, we could not see what Hamdan’s got, because that would cripple this franchise for the next two decades! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with Brian on this one. Trent will be good…he just needs time
But if Trent were to get injured i’d be on the Hamdan bandwagon instead of J.P. since losmans out after this season.
by J2 on Nov 20, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand how 14 people don’t think Trent is still the future. They must be Bills fans from Texas. Have a little faith.
Craig.
by taskersd on Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that so hard to understand? I voted yes, but can see why people voted no. It’s not like Trent has looked like a competent, confident QB this past month….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 20, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Late season numbers weren't so good...
Last year, Trent sort of tailed off as the year progressed, with the weather cited as the most popular explanation. This is at least partially true, but the kid has weaknesses that the opponents get wise to as the season progresses. Until he adapts and fixes the weak spots, he won’t be able to carry the team himself. Something he really didn’t do early this season despite the 4th quarter heroics…something that J2 correctly points out. In fact, if his play was better the first half of those games, the Bills would have locked up the game much earlier. Fans were reacting to his exceptional poise, but now that’s out the door; we’re left with a skittish 2nd year QB with loads of potential…about where we’re supposed to be. .
by NJBill on Nov 20, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Trent’s problems, especially in the first halves of games, have more to do with the unexpected defensive schemes that Trent mentioned and less to do with Trent in particular. Especially in the Jacksonville and Oakland games, it seemed things were night and day with the 2nd half adjustments. I think those are the games Trent was talking about when he mentioned seeing things on the field that the Bills weren’t prepared for. Bill Belichick in particular is hard to prepare for because they put in specific packages for each team they face, and essentially you never play the same Patriots twice.
As opponents have been able to key on Trent’s shortcomings, Trent should gradually be able to adjust his game to take advantage of certain defensive looks. Is it just me or does it seem that they don’t let Trent audible at all?
by syrbillsfan on Nov 20, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Bill Belichick in particular is hard to prepare for because they put in specific packages for each team they face, and essentially you never play the same Patriots twice.”
Now you know why i want a good coach
by J2 on Nov 20, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll have trouble finding one if that’s your criteria. Belichick alone falls in that class.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know. something similar or anything above mediocre would be nice.
how about above average head coach. obviously BB is one of the greatest (did i just say that? kill me), but asking for an above average HC shouldn’t be that much to ask for
by J2 on Nov 20, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher would be a great fit...and you know he's find a way to run the ball
Odds of this happening? 1,000 to 1.
BTW: If Norwood Lindell makes the kick, we’d be talking about the genius of not risking a pass on the final series with a shaky 2nd Year QB.
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by NJBill on Nov 20, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW: If Norwood Lindell makes the kick, we’d be talking about the genius of not risking a pass on the final series with a shaky 2nd Year QB.
not me…that game was pathetic no matter the outcome.
i look at the games objectively from a consistency standpoint. outcomes only tell some of the story. watching the whole game and being objective throughout the game gives you an idea on how the team is actually doing. this is why i knew that we are not a good football team. most of our victories have not feen won on fundamentals and consistency. which is why the jets and fins have been winning…they are consistent in what they do. we are not
by J2 on Nov 20, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Consistency is one thing, but it’s not like we played terribly the entire game against Cleveland. In fact, we outscored them 27-13 for a stretch of the game leading up to Dawson’s game winner.
Seriously – eliminate the turnovers, and this team can play with anybody. Consistency is big, too, but I’m still focused on playing inconsistent football without shooting ourselves in the foot. Baby steps.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After Belichicks first 4 or so years, you would have called for his head. Until Bledsoe got hurt, the Patriots were average to below.
by syrbillsfan on Nov 20, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I’ll say it again: good coaching takes good players and makes them superstars. Bad coaching takes good players and ruins them.
by thefourwinds on Nov 20, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trent needs a little help to get his confidence back
It appears the defensive scheme that has hurt Trent the most is the two deep zone. For some reason that defense has baffled Trents ability to find an open reciever. What’s puzzeling, especially in the Cleveland game, the O-line is protecting well against the two deep zone, giving Trent plenty of time to find a reciever. To help Trent overcome this problem the Bills should not put Trent in an empty backfield formation. He needs the comfort of knowing he can audible to a run when he reads a two deep zone. Once he gets confident that he can beat the two deep, the offense can run any formation.
by gjv on Nov 20, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think people are overlooking a big factor in this
Before our first game, no teams had any film on this offense. We were running a new system under Schonert and no one knew what to expect. After a few weeks, teams now have loads of film on us, and they can prepare for it on defense.
That tells me that we are fairly predictable. I’ve said this before, but the only thing that consistantly changes in this offense is where players line up. We do tons of motions before the snap, and we lineup running backs and tight ends out wide. But we keep the patterns the players run very consistent. 10-15 yard curl routes, 5 yard outs, 8-10 comebacks, and RB screens. There are very little (if any) quick slants, fades, corners, posts, and WR screens. And you almost NEVER see Trent audible. Maybe once or twice, and the result isn’t that great. There were several times in the last game where Roscoe had guys playing 10 yards off of him. Could you imagine how much yardage that guy could pickup if Trent would check to a WR screen?
I continue to question this coaching staff’s ability to teach. Especially when Turk comes out and says “we dialed up Lee’s number a half dozen times” last game. You need to dial it up more often than that Turk! You should throw the deep ball to Lee at least twice a game. He can beat anyone! Overthrow it, I don’t care. At least act like you know how to run this offense.
It’s frustrating.
by bruuuuce_02 on Nov 20, 2008 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
By “coaching staff”, you mean Schonert, right?
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to think about that for a minute. But I think it most likely comes down to Schonert. I think Dick Jauron is likely a pretty good teacher. He has been around the game for a long time and he has coached with some great coaches. Fundamentally, he probably has everyone prepared for playing the game. The one thing I think he is not, is a great game planner. I don’t think he will ever outcoach the other team (unless we play the Raiders or Chargers). He doesn’t come up with intelligent schemes, and he doesn’t adjust during games very well either. And, as many people have already pointed out, he isn’t a motivator. He might be a good mentor, and treat players very well. But he isn’t going to fire guys up, OR on the flip side discipline players when needed. Bill Parcells players all fear that they might not have a job next week. I think our guys are a little more comfortable.
I think I might have gone off on a tangent there…
by bruuuuce_02 on Nov 20, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Brady Quinn’s SECOND NFL START he was able to audible from a run to a quick slant to Braylon Edwards that resulted in 10 yards and a 1st down. I think we need to see more of that from our second year starter.
by bruuuuce_02 on Nov 20, 2008 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also
Again, the Browns’ coaches did their job a bit better preparing Quinn than the Bills’ coaches did for Edwards (omg, did I just say that??). Of course, the Browns did have 3-4 extra days to prepare.
by thefourwinds on Nov 20, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the biggest thing people (especially over at the BBMB) are just glossing over is...
early teams were blitzing…..trying to get to Trent….he would recognize it and get rid of the ball quickly…….now teams are dropping everyone back…..and trent has all day to throw….but when ever WR is viturally Double Covered…..its hard to find a guy open, thus the dump offs are the results…
But just like you so eloquently stated Brian….the running vs Cle was a step in the right direction……and once teams start gearing up for the run again….Trent should find more success, and thus so will the Bills…..
JUST FYI – Brian……I stopped going to the Bills main board for my Bills news…..I cant stand the topics over there anymore…..you’re my number one spot for non-chicken little-biased news…….good on you!
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 20, 2008 3:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Max coverage can be beaten through the air
But it requires intelligent play design (taking advantages of gaps in zone coverage) and anticipation (throwing to that open spot early and trusting that your receiver will get there). I haven’t seen a lot of either lately and I’m not sure the players are capable of the later. Except for Evans and Reed, I don’t trust the other receivers running precise routes. Also, I think that Trent is too inexperienced and gun shy not to aim it directly at his target (e.g. botched timing throws in the end zone). Of course an effective running game is the best approach, but it’s been largely nonexistent, save for the 2nd half against the Browns.
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by NJBill on Nov 20, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I've noted about our WRs
They do not seem to break off routes very well to come back and make a play for our QB right now. Reed has and does do this on a consitent basis, which is why I think his loss has been even more serious than anyone has said.
On Lynch’s run after the pass catch play in Monday nights game, he broke off his route and found an open spot that allowed Trent to get him open. When Jaws pulled up the screen and showed the exact route taken by Lynch just to get to the ball before he even started his run, it was a thing of sheer ugliness. That was a play made by a receiver looking to give his QB a chance to get him the ball.
Lee being open may I note on several plays, he just stood there and waved his arms, he did not move with his QB to the side he was running too, or scanning. Many of our WRs seem incapable or unwilling to sell out on getting open no matter what. Running a route as designed is all well and good, but when the opponent is putting 8 men back, it is REQUIRED for the Receivers, no matter who it is, to get open somehow. They do not seem willing or able to do that, Reed does, and I bet we see a big difference in the pass game when our foe goes 8 men back.
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by WABillsfan on Nov 20, 2008 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy's been clear on one thing
At IU, he was never taught how to read defenses and change accordingly. Doesn’t surprise me in the least that he’s having trouble adjusting.
by thefourwinds on Nov 20, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced...
Its by no means Trent’s (entire) fault.
Its not much he can do…when the defense knows what’s coming.
Fire Turk.
I’m convinced he just doesn’t have a clue.
by Scoe221 on Nov 20, 2008 4:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We’re still averaging 22 points per game (that includes ST scores and Jabari’s returns – too lazy to calculate it w/o). He does some things well. He’s a rookie coordinator; a degree of patience is required with Turk as well.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll take time for everybody to re-adjust their expectations.
No one will be fired unless the Bills finish 5-11. Short of that, Turk and the big Dick will be back for another year of punishment. 8-8 is realistic for this team; 9-7 a pleasant surprise. 2nd year QB, rookie OC, rookie “tall” WR, no pass rushing DE’s (excluding Schobel), marginal center play…geez what were we thinkin’.
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by NJBill on Nov 20, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Turk is not the problem
Turk Schonert should not be blamed for the poor showing of the Bills offense. Our offense is losing games for the Bills because of turnovers by Trent. Once Trent learns how to handle a two deep zone offense you will see a marked improvement to the effectiveness of our offense. Turk will then again be called a play calling genius.
by gjv on Nov 20, 2008 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So is Trent supposed to figure this out on his own?
Isn’t that what coaches are for?????
by thefourwinds on Nov 20, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuses
Too many people make excuses for Edwards. I listened to Howard Simon (my favorite sports talk host) and he made a great point on tue morning. Good Qbs make their line look better, their RB’s look better and their Offensive Coordinator look better. Trent makes them look worst. Maybe the problem is starring all of us straight in the face but the typical delusion Bills fan refuses to acknowledge it.
Sticking with Trent Edwards to me is like saying…well I might as well get married because Im getting older. Those kind of things only end badly.
The book is out on Trent and people need to realize there is a better chance he is a really bad QB not a good QB going through a bad stretch. Go watch some of the wins. 1st quarter against Seattle, 2nd and 3rd Quarter against Jax. Go watch last year against the Cowboys, on the road against the Jets, Clev, NYG, Phili. THis list goes on and on. This is not a good QB plain and simple. He just can not throw from under center, and I think the coaches know it which is the reason for lack of playaction. He missed a wide open TE on one easy hit from under center. Go find any time when Trent Edwards was consistent from under center. It doesn’t exist and it is sad.
With all that being said, the season is probably over (Barring a 3 game run that I just dont see right now) so no reason for a change on Trent as JP is certainly gone this offseason. Might as well let him finish it out but they need to bring someone in this offseason.
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by Berg79 on Nov 20, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ask Simon
Would you please ask Simon to list the NFL QB’s with 18 starts under their belts that made their RB, O-line and O-Coordinator look better than they were. It certainly wasn’t Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Steve Young,Troy Aikmen, Eli Manning or Brett Farve. They and most sophmore NFL QB’s struggled to learn how to beat defenses. Simon is playing with you and his other listeners.
by gjv on Nov 20, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. I, too, like Howard Simon, but he – along with everyone else in the media – is doing their best Greg Louganis impression because they’re sad they were talking about the playoffs in Week 6.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 20, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
I’m trying to figure out your Louganis reference, and I’m not getting it.
by thefourwinds on Nov 20, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Louganis was a diver. They’re diving off the bandwagon.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2008 6:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to go through and watch the games of those QBs in year 2 but 2 Rookies look better than Edwards this year (Ryan and Flacco). And numerous 2nd year QBs have been very good incl Brady, Roth, Romo (about 30 starts), and McNabb to name a few. We will see. I mean most of us think the season is shot and since JP is gone there is no reason not to see what we have w. Edwards now so I wont bring that argument up again. But I will stay on record sayint this team goes to the playoffs if Edwards got pulled. My main question is will you guys as fans give the same excuses for Edwards next year. I just dont think he is good. I hope the Bills hedge their bet on Edwards in the offseason by getting a legit veteran (Garcia, Griese, even Patrick Ramsey). I really think we have a solid foundation.
by Berg79 on Nov 20, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ick, those guys are legit??
Why would Losman all of a sudden lead us to the playoffs? We know he stinks and can’t get the job done, so why would his presence all of a sudden push us over the top? You fail to remember the significant deficiencies we have in other areas (OL, pass rush, secondary, etc) that are just as detrimental to this team….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 21, 2008 1:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe JP wouldn’t. But I see Todd Collins in Trent not Tom Brady while I see a lot of potential w. JP if coached properly. If JP had a D that held teams to FGs on turnovers as oppose to TDs he would have done much better. Our D was awful for a couple years w. him and now they do fairly well based on the circumstance. I think the Oline is a product of Trent. I agree the Pass rush is poor. The secondary has been fine other than McGee should have been benched in Miami and Zona tore us up.
by Berg79 on Nov 21, 2008 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Edwards to be the man
and I see some of the good points that people say about him – he’s smart, disciplined. (can be) efficient, etc.
One thing though that I like to see in athletes is “game” (that trait of pit bulls that makes them keep fighting even when half their face is torn off). Its the trait that allows a player to make a play when it has to be made, to make something out of nothing. I don’t see it in Trent. maybe it will soon be unleashed. maybe he will learn it. maybe maybe maybe.
I’m not convinced about Trent.
still, he is what we have, and I don’t see this team making big moves at the position so I hope he works out. at this point, I hope he becomes a competent manager, which means we better up our game in some other area. Run game maybe? It would make sense given the weather in the northeast during the second half of the season.
by oompaloompa on Nov 21, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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