Playoff hopes end as Bills lose to 49ers
QB Edwards watches from the sideline with groin injury (AP)
Is it April yet?
With slim playoff hopes on the line, exactly one half of your 2008 Buffalo Bills showed up for today's contest with the San Francisco 49ers - plus Marshawn Lynch. Despite a borderline dominant defensive performance and a 16-carry, 134-yard performance from its top back, the Bills ended Sunday's game with just a field goal to their names in an absolutely embarrassing 10-3 loss to the visiting 49ers.
The standings will say 6-6, but if you're savvy, you'll realize that these Bills are 2-6. They've lost six of eight games, with this one the crappy icing on the cake. With four very difficult games to finish the season approaching, including three against division opponents, the Bills are once again staring a losing record in the face.
Don't Blame the Defense
Despite giving up a touchdown on the opening drive of the game, Buffalo's defense once again accomplished more than enough to put a victory up on the board. After that initial drive, the Bills surrendered just 123 yards, forced four fumbles, registered three sacks and surrendered just one more field goal. Problem was, that initial touchdown was all the Niners would need to notch their fourth win of the season.
There isn't much more a defense can do for your team. 10 points surrendered at home should be enough to win handily. On this day, it wasn't.
Buffalo's opponents have now drawn first blood in six consecutive games, and the slow starts collectively rank as a big reason the team has won just one of those six contests. Add it up, and the Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, Browns, Chiefs and 49ers have thrown up 50 points on us before we've countered. You're not going to win a lot of ballgames when you're buried early.
That's Mister Lynch if you're nasty
Exactly one offensive player showed up today, and it's not shocking that that man was Lynch. San Francisco had no answer for Lynch, as the second-year back piled up 134 rushing yards, averaging 8.4 yards per rush. This was his best game as a pro.
Unfortunately, Turk Schonert didn't realize it. Despite the fact that Buffalo never trailed by more than 10 points, Schonert reverted to his old ways, dialing up 38 throws as compared to just 21 rushes between Lynch and Fred Jackson. It didn't matter who was playing quarterback; Trent Edwards (with his injured groin) and J.P. Losman were equally ineffective on a terrible day for the passing offense. Receivers weren't open. The trickle-down effect was coverage pressure and 3 points. If Schonert can't figure out how to beat eight-deep coverage, the Bills are staring 6-10 squarely in the face.
Long story short: I'm not sure what energies Lynch channels prior to each game, but he needs to share the mojo. The rest of the group was terrible. Lynch is an absolute pleasure to watch week in and week out; no other Bill can make that claim.
Lindell's woes continue
And that's really all that needs to be said about that. The special teams unit wasn't great, and Lindell's two misses were the highlights. Moving on.
Game balls
I'm too indifferent about this team at the moment to consider myself "nasty", so Mr. Lynch, this game ball's for you. The rest of you can take a hike.
Roll call
Thanks to Ron and K for keeping the game threads going while I was storming out of The Ralph early. 42 of y'all made 1374 comments, with the three least surprising guys - norcaliangelsfan, WABillsfan and Kurupt - leading the way with 200+ comments apiece. A special thanks to the 42 of you commiserating together, as listed below:
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I'll repeat the question at the top: is it April yet?
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Was sick in bed all day,
so I didn’t see any of the game. How did Edwards play in the poor weather before the injury? When did the injury happen?
by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He didnt play after the last play of the first half....
And he didnt look all that great…..I think he might have been hurt during the week or something….he didnt really have any ZIP on the ball…..and he threw at peoples feet a few times…..Just not a good day at all.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron said post-game that Edwards was hurt early in the first half. No injury this week.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well early in the game sounds about right too......
cuz he was not good
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards was, well, not good. It wasn’t because of the weather though, in my estimation. Losman didn’t look any better.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP is....what he is....
He will make a couple of good throws……but the majority of the time..he’s just kinda crappy….he certainly didnt help himself to a big contract next year
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blah!
I would make a comment but I am scared that I would go into a curse word filled rant and offend almost everyone on the site.
Why does it seem like every year we are asking “Is THIS the most disappointing year ever?” There’s something very wrong with that.
by RabidBuffalo on Nov 30, 2008 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We also seem to think every year that “This is the year to break the slump.”
by BuffaloBrewed on Nov 30, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im ready for March actually....and Angels spring training......
atleast that Front Office gives a crap about winning and doing what it takes to put a winner on the field……
With the Bills Im not so sure anymore.
Defense played great…….despite being screwed by the refs on more than one occassion. (Nice rebound considering what happened last week)
The offense….well…..its simple really……when the team depends on running the ball they do better than when they depend on passing the ball. I dont know if its EGO or what with Turk (being a former QB) But giving your best offensive weapon (Lynch) the ball ONE time in the forth quarter is positively absymal…..there is NO defending it….even Lee Evans pretty much called out Turk for his choice of play calling in the redzone….
Something needs to change….
As for “April” It really doesnt matter who they bring in…..if this kind of coaching still takes place….Hopefully something gets figured out soon…
sorry you had to witness that yuck fest in person Brian.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Only saw the highlights
How on earth did the Bills not score any TDs???
by thefourwinds on Nov 30, 2008 5:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not really the OL's fault when they dont even get a chance to run block from 5 yards in....
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, don’t blame the OL on this one. Not sure where that comes from. They played outstanding.
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Well, I mean, yeah, Duke Preston sucked, but the rest of the guys were great.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what else is new with Duke....
hell let Kirk Chambers be the center at this point
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding?
Really? I may have been too harsh on them earlier because I was so upset but I wouldn’t say they were outstanding. They allowed too much penetration again. The problem I have with this line is the inconsistency. They look really good one play and take two plays off. I could be wrong but I would guess that six tackles for a loss by the 49ers defense was more than most teams got today.
D.O.
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by David Oleksy on Nov 30, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said. Four were outstanding, and Duke Preston was god-awful. The center position is the problem.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As norcaliangelsfan mentioned when you asked this question elsewhere, it was piss poor play-calling. 38 passes to 21 runs, despite never being down by more than 10, awful weather and Lynch running like a maniac. Go figure.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's gotta be ego......
thats the ONLY reason I can think of………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
like mike martz
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s probably part of it, but I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that he’s a rookie. He makes good calls in-game, but his overall plans – save for 3 quarters against Cleveland and in KC – have been awful over the past 8 games.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.....its like...he's trying to prove he knows the best way to win.....
when in actuality….the results are speaking for themselves
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on his in-game play calling. Pretty sucky
everything goes better with bacon
by keuka121 on Nov 30, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I feel like I’m in the Princess Bride…Inconceivable!
by thefourwinds on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Turk…but the OL? Looked like they were opening plenty of holes.
by thefourwinds on Nov 30, 2008 5:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They also gave both QBs decent time in the pocket
by BuffaloBrewed on Nov 30, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, any pressure on Trent/J.P. was coverage pressure.
SF also did a great job neutralizing our blitz by spreading us out. They’d put 4-5 receivers on the field, and our blitz was gone. That’s how they walked down the field on us on that first drive.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!!! I think I posted
that the loss of Greer would hurt us in 3/4 WR sets. Guess the 49ers thought so too.
by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not really..only on first drive.....
other than that……..defense played good enough
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Running, the holes were there. Except down inside the 20. The play after Marshawn’s 50 yarder, he got blown up in the backfield for a 3 or 4 yard loss. The OL also allowed pressure on the QB’s when SF’s poor DL was rushing 3 or 4. Not good. They were good opening holes for the most part, but when we needed the yards the most, they didn’t seem to get it done. Much more blame goes to Schonert though.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
the red zone line play was putrid, run and pass. losman holds onto the ball too long, but most of his pressures were caused by the pocket collapsing almost immediately.
line played great against a bad defense, but we lost yards or got nothing on first down run plays in very crucial situations throughout the game.
by jmorris0823 on Nov 30, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
This analysis is spot on Kurupt. That is what I have been trying to say all day and just couldn’t find the right way to say it. Thank you.
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by David Oleksy on Nov 30, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Listened to the post-game on the way home, folks. For the first time I think ever under Dick Jauron, some of the players got emotional, succinct and even feisty at the mic. Chris Kelsay was very honest. J.P. Losman made an arse of himself, with his “it’s an in-house game” rant that basically meant he wasn’t going to blame anybody; Lee called out Turk. It was almost refreshing.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
its about damn Time......
and for once Chris Kelsay played well (along with RYAN DENNEY!!!) so no blame can go to him….
JP is just a disgruntled worker at this point..
and great on Lee for calling our turk
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, I didn’t think this team had any fire. At least some of the guys seem to. That is refreshing for once.
I wonder how fed up they are with coaching. Evans sure is, rightfully so.
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sick of Turk Schonert. The guy has no clue out there. Enough of this learning on the job crap because it just isn’t working. Everybody makes mistakes in playcalling, but it’s his tendencies that are the problem. You can’t throw it almost twice as much as you run it, especially when it’s cold and rainy, and expect to have great success. Lynch was running pretty darn effectively and he only gets 16 carries? This has been a problem all year and Turk continues to show his ineptitude.
Attempting a FG with 5 minutes left down 7??? Brilliant call Jauron. It was only 4th and 7, not 4th and 20. You still need a TD there anyhow, so what’s the point with the FG in those conditions? Of course Lindell was going to miss it. The kick was missed the second you trotted him out there.
Why can’t we get a QB that can play in the weather? Trent again looked awful, making low throws and behind the receivers. I think the weather really affects him.
Roscoe continues showing the coaches he doesn’t deserve more time. Fielding the ball at the 1? Dropping a TD? Yeah, good job Roscoe….
We just lost to the 49ers at home, at 1pm, in a cold, rainy game. If that doesn’t tell you where this team is, I don’t know what does. This team stinks. It’s at the same point it was at 3 years ago. THere has been little improvement under this regime and we see the same garbage over and over. It’s frustrating to say the least….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too much time working on "charity work" during thanksgiving.......
and not preparing to beat a crappy 3 win west coast team…..
ill-prepared all around…..and it starts at the top
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being ill-prepared would also explain the consistent slow starts…..
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.......
I just dont understand how it could happen…..to an NFL team….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Edwards is not going to work out,
that really could change our draft. I would not be surprised if we lose out. Does 6-10 put is in a position to draft a QB in the first round? Is there a QB who can actually play in the cold? I hate even thinking about having to draft a QB, dam it. We should have drafted Eric Ainge this year. I wanted a C, DE, and LB…now we need a QB…….Grrreeeaaatttttt!!!!!
by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Ainge????? yuck.....a guy from Tennesee the SEC to play in the cold????
okay…..
Shoulda picked up Stanton or someone from the Big 10 if you wanted a cold weather QB…..not the SEC
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Farve played college ball at Southern Mississippi.
by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying Eric Ainge is as good as Brett Favre?
umm….no….I dont even believe that for one second……
plus its not like Favre lit it up in Green Bay until a few years down the road….
and in Cold weather Games it wasnt just Favre….that won them games.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my point was
you don’t have to play college in the cold to be a good cold weather QB. I am not saying it doesn’t help, but there are successful cold weather QBs who have come from warm weather colleges.
by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure there are exceptions to every rule.....
but I think Edwards will be fine here…….but he cant be asked to WIN games right now…..it should be his job……it should be on Lynch and the highly paid OLINE
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it shouldnt be his job*
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
but if Edwards can’t play in the cold, we better hope the Bills get a new QB or move to Toronto! Has Edwards had one good game in the cold?
by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hush you "sick" mouth!!!!!
Move??? I don’t think so… Least, I pray not…
As for a new QB… Give it another year, see if Trent gets it together for a whole season…
Unlike all the draft gurus, I don’t think the best QB in college will come out this year, since he doesn’t have too, for monetary reasons, as most early entries do… Besides, he has unfinished business in Dawg land…..
by Cinga on Nov 30, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
better chance of the "move" than
a dome being built in the greater Buffalo area. My point was that Edwards may not be able to succeed in Buffalo. He may need to play in fair weather or a dome. Either way, it seems time to hedge our bets. We need to start looking for our next starting QB now. If he sits for a few years, so much the better.
by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Attempting a FG with 5 minutes left down 7??? Brilliant call Jauron. It was only 4th and 7, not 4th and 20.
Well, he had just gone for it on fourth down in the ‘zone, and that was uglier than most of the rest of their ugly plays today. I’m not saying I’m happy with his decision – I’d have gone for it there, too – but you can at least see why he might be hesitant.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.......either way he botched both of those calls.....
considering he let a pass be called on 3rd and 4th and two……instead of running the ball….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those play-calls are blamed on Turk. Jauron lets Turk do his thing.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well then he has to take blame for hiring him right?
i mean….i’ve coached football in HS….and I’ve called plays before…..and the HC always knows what play im going call….he has his input….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so he played it scared? If you fail once and it forces you to do something you shouldn’t later on, there’s a pretty big problem rooted in there….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said. Not agreeing with his decision. Just pointing out that there’s a counter-argument to make.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
problem with this team is.......
there are always counter arguments to make……
I know….I’ve made em…….eventually the excuses/arguments are gonna have to stop LOL
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, that once Jauron decided to go for it on 4th down the first time, he had already made the choice about the way it needed to be played. If he kicks the field goal the first time, they are down by 4 and the possibility exists for either a TD or 2 FGs to get enough points, since there was enough time left for either route at that point. But once he went for the TD and didn’t get it, he effectively ended the “get enough FGs” route because of time left and possessions needed. So when the 4th down came up with 5 minutes to go, the only logical choice was to go for it. You couldn’t count on the “get enough FGs” route anymore, you needed the TD. A FG would have been essentially worthless since you still needed a TD down by 4. So it was just a really bad decision, not due to playing scared, just due to not using logic.
by fletcherjd on Nov 30, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great post
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, good post. Jauron is a horrific game day coach, and I will state that as fact until he gives me ONE example otherwise. Didn’t he go to an Ivy League school? Why is he incapable of thinking on his feet? I heard on one of the post game shows that both AVP and Kollar were livid with Jauron’s decision to kick the field goal. They were pleading with him to go for it and when he sent out the field goal unit, they supposedly threw their hands up in the air in total frustration and stormed away. Don’t know if any of this is true, just what I heard.
Jauron has always made poor decisions on game days, but it was his ability to get a young team prepared and ready to play every week regardless of the situations surrounding them that was supposedly his strong suit. Not sure what happened to all that, but I’m pretty sure we can throw that out the window. They consistently come out flat and (to me at least) look ill-prepared. We constantly hear Trent or others say, “They showed us a lot of stuff we weren’t expecting…” and we have to hope Jauron and Co. make some sort of miracle half time adjustment. So without preparation what is Jauron’s strong suit? Seriously, someone help me out because I am at a loss.
by thatguy34 on Dec 1, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post. If that Van Pelt/Kollar thing is true, which I would believe it is, it wouldn’t surprise me. That call made NO sense, just like many of his other conservative calls.
The fact that they always seem to start out so poorly and look ill-prepared and not ready for certain things really does it for me. All Jauron does is put the team in position to not get embarrassed and to keep the game within reach. One positive he had going for him was that we usually beat the teams we were supposed to best, very rarely losing to teams with lesser records. Well, now we’re losing to these garbage teams at home in must-win situations. I’m sick of this outfit and wish Ralph hadn’t allowed the front office to become such a mess so we could actually make a move.
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at home
coming out flat, is unacceptable. Same thing happened against the Jets. They looked awful, out of sync, penalties, wasted time outs and all that crap…….I just don’t get it. Trent is a frign statue in the pocket. I thought the OL played great and gave him tons of time. Screw it. This team is average .500 at best. Same crap different year. Too bad we don’t have an offense cuz the def and ST’s are good enough take this team to the playoffs
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 30, 2008 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know......what I liked more
the Bledsoe teams that scored tons and tons of points……but had no defense….
or this in which the offense is god awful but the defense is good enough to win………
If i had to choose………I would take the great offense and crappy defense…..but in the end…that wont win you a championship either.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically
these teams are the same as the Bears teams Jauron coached. Huh.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 1, 2008 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much......
and the Bears now….are no different than when he left lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 1, 2008 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except for the rings they got...
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 1, 2008 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what an NFC championship ring?
okay big deal……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 1, 2008 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ne and nyj
are both going to lose….and there goes our golden opportunity to win this game today
and anyone that thinks Trent was pulled bc of a groin is drinkn way too much koolaid. Jauron knew the season and maybe his job was on the line today…..so he switched to JP to try and save the season….it didn’t work.
I know everyone wants to fire Jauron, and I may even switch from my hard line of keep Jauron but either way, coaching isn’t everything here….the players are not getting the job done and that’s what really concerns me
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 30, 2008 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if he wanted to save the season......
he woulda thrown Hamdan in there in the 4th at some time….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, Marv. Trent was out because he was hurt. If you want to gripe about that, gripe about Trent. He’d better be pissing blood or waving at intestine sticking out of his belly button if he’s going to sit out this game.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
but Trent sucked….which is exactly why he was pulled and the “groin” was all just dressing on the situation….there’s no way he was hurt….when did that happen???/in the lockerrom at halftime?
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 30, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron said it was early in the game. Trent tried to play through it, but the injury was such that it was extremely painful for him to push off. That’s why he sucked. Today, at least.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So putting in an even worse QB would be better? Trent’s play in the first half wasn’t that terrible, JP Losman is….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really ?
Why…nobody ever makes a good argument as to why JP is terrible…I have never seen anything in Edwards to show me he is better…different yes but better no.
D.O.
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by David Oleksy on Nov 30, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
watch the game today do you?
thats exhibit “A” as to why John Paul Losman is terrible.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are not allowed to post comparisons of JP and TE on these boards. All last season a few people who have left now (not coincidental) tried, but Brian ‘Trent is the heart and soul of this team’ Gailford and ‘JP sucks regardless of the coaching’ Kurupt would scold you if you did.
Just to make the trifecta, Marv dont use the term Kool Aid. Kaisertown will get upset.
by Thronsen on Dec 1, 2008 5:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When did I ever kick people off? If you recall, I backed Losman time and time and time again. So your post makes zero sense.
Please don’t post nonsense.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2008 6:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say you kicked people off?
Who is posting nonsense?
If you like however, I can happily provide you with scores of posts where you actively told people not to have any discussion about the QBs. Ditto Kurupt.
Also do you need a link to the Heart and Soul article? I remember questioning that one and getting drilled by about 5 different people for not swallowing the kool aid.
Lol, then getting drilled by Kaisertown for using the term Kool Aid.
by Thronsen on Dec 1, 2008 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good for you. You didn’t swallow the kool aid. You’re a genius. We’re not. You’re smarter than everybody else here. Good on you.
I NEVER told people to “not have discussion about the QBs”. I posted QB articles all. the. freaking. time. I encouraged people to contain them to those particular threads to avoid four thousand “Losman sucks!” FanPosts, like you see on any other Bills message board.
Trent is the heart and soul of this team. Whoever’s playing QB is the heart and soul of the team. The Bills lacked heart and soul yesterday; or did you not catch our 3-point effort?
I never knew you had a problem with this place, and just because people disagreed with you. I guess losing brings out the truth in everyone, eh?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2008 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about?
I don’t recall ever saying that. And I definitely wouldn’t “scold” anyone for saying something. When someone posts the same thing 20 times in a thread is where problems lie.
And wouldn’t that statement be true anyways?? :)
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
‘JP sucks regardless of the coaching’ Kurupt
How do I get a cool handle like that? Or do I have one already that nobody wants to tell me?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 1, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Kenny Blankenship is my hero” Sireric
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I though it was “my Josh Johnson can beat up your Josh Johnson” Sireric
by jj24 on Dec 1, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that is probably a little more apt
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You better believe it buddy
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 1, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't bash Turk as much as Jauron - and some of the players
because who hired him as offensive coordinator? Who hired Fairchild, who was even worse? As far as I know, the same guy: head coach Dick Jauron.
How come the assistant coaches at, let’s say, New England, go on and get good jobs? Which of Jauron’s disciples get hired? I’m sorry if I sound harsh but as far as I can tell, the man is inept as an NFL head coach. He’s a great guy, personally, but a loser head-coaching-wise.
Also, players have to take responsibility. All those dropped passes, missed assignments and other mistakes make me wonder how many of these players should be around next year.
by ccthemovieman on Nov 30, 2008 6:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keep Jauron as Defensive Coordinator, and get a guy in here with a real vision, and some F’n moxy
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Nov 30, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did we extend dick?
is there any shot at bill cowher?
am i just living in a fantasy world?
by sri on Nov 30, 2008 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"did we extend dick?"
So……many……jokes…….
Seattle, the world's worst sports city.
by SSreporters on Nov 30, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Practicing Indoors
We’ve known for a long time that the bills practice indoors but based on how much of our team isn’t from the cold north doesn’t it make sense that they should at least practice once a week in the conditions that they have to play in. We need to be able to take advantage of these conditions not get hindered by them. Especially when facing a warm west coast team like San Fran
"Where else would you rather be than right here, right now?"
by ArenZimm on Nov 30, 2008 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But when a team like SF, who also hasn’t played/practiced in the conditions outperforms us, I’m not sure what to think. We should practice outdoors at least part time to get used to it. There’s no reason that we should be at the same disadvantage as the opponent when we have the ability to acclimate ourselves to conditions….
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K, don’t make the mistake of thinking that San Francisco out-performed us. They sucked too. They had one good drive, and put it in the paint. That’s the difference in the game.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They had one more good drive than us then!!!!
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree. We had the ball inside their ten twice, on double-digit play, time-consuming drives. We couldn’t put it in the paint. They could. I guess you could term that “out-performing” us, but the Niners were terrible today. We were just terrible-er.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"We were just terrible-er"
I can’t think of a better word to describe my feelings for this team and it’s season than “terrible-er.”
by krytime on Nov 30, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron needs a win next week or else.
The only thing that can save Jauron from becoming a target of despise by all Bills fans is to beat Miami next week. Should he lose to Miami I would hope that he do the honorable thing and resign.
by gjv on Nov 30, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Don’t know where you’ve been, gjv, but Jauron’s already the target you described.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you Keith Oberman?
…
Look up the SNL clip of Ben Affleck doing “Countdown”, it’ll make sense. I hope.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 1, 2008 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning the coin toss...
and kicking off is the “mojo” losers tote around. I’m sick of the coaching, the management, and the losing that permeates this team to no end.
You cannot tell me that running Lynch a total of 16 times was the best game plan, WTF.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They deferred on the coin toss, and every team in the league defers. Seriously? Much bigger fish to fry here.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still feel a real team takes the ball and punches it in on the opening drive. Well, unless you’re Matt Hasselbeck and you guarantee it.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you’re saying, man. I hate the whole defer thing. I want the ball first every game. But I’m not going to fault Jauron for that.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i just
can’t envision a great coach coming in if we fire jauron so I’m not ready to say fire Jauron…I think if we could hire an OC that was more of an Co-Head coach that would be best. Offense is so terrible and everywhere Jauron goes the offense sucks
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 30, 2008 8:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is it April yet?
I started working on my first mock draft of the year.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Nov 30, 2008 8:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The way we're going, we will have our pick of the DE's
everything goes better with bacon
by keuka121 on Nov 30, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet my season ticket...
You have a speed rushing DE going in the first round…
by krytime on Nov 30, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still say if Alex Mack is there we take him
Our D is at least presentable with Marcus in there now. O is still cover the eyes aweful
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Dec 1, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DE and Center are pretty much interchangable. Mack or Selvie/Brown/Hardy in the first is fine, the question becomes which position is better in the second. That is the tricky part.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 1, 2008 4:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How’s that Penn State DE, Maurice Evans???
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still doing research….He’s on the list to check out.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 1, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see he’s having a subpar year though….I want a true stud DE if we do take one in the 1st…
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a PSU fan, Evans has had a pretty lackluster year (even keeping in mind the fact that he was suspended 3 games for getting caught in an apt. with marijuana and has been in Joe Pa’s doghouse since). He had an astounding year last year, but is still only a junior and I would doubt he leaves, especially considering the year he’s had.
He hasn’t had a bad year in terms of playing within the scheme or giving up bad plays, but he certainly hasn’t matched his output of last year in terms of numbers. Although, he has been getting closer to last year’s form the last few games.
Their other defensive end, Aaron Maybin, has had an exceptional year. He’s tied for fourth in the nation with 12 sacks, made 1st team All Big Ten, and is a Bednarik finalist. He’s a third year sophmore so he’s technically eligible for the draft, but again, I wouldn’t expect him to make the jump either. He’s only a first year starter and could use another year to add some more bulk and work on his run technique. Altho, after his year this year, if both were to declare for the draft, I would expect Maybin to go higher. His quickness off the ball is fantastic.
by thatguy34 on Dec 1, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
just what I was looking for. I forgot Evans was one of those morons suspended. After this year, it sure doesn’t sound like it’ll be smart for him to leave early.
This Maybin dude on the other hand….sounds intriguing. First year starter, sophomore, yeah I don’t think he’s leaving though….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Jared Odrick. everytime I see a PSU ghame I see #91 making plays.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 1, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about..
a veteran player like Simeon Rice, seems he’s healthy again. Might not cost much, just throwing it out there.
by mavadjdj on Dec 1, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Simeon Rice is the kind of player that won’t sign in Buffalo.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 1, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Well apparantly his agent is calling every team every week, trying to find work.
by mavadjdj on Dec 1, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the Bills signing him either. He’s always been a selfish player.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 1, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this too shall pass
I know my frustration and anger over this loss will fade eventually. But I’m not sure what the hell I’m rooting for anymore – the organization? the City? Certainly not Ralph Wilson. And to me thats the problem. I’m not sure what this team is about anymore. Bad on offense. Bad on defense. Special teams are even disappointing.
I understand why in all likelihood Jauron will continue on as head coach, but so what? Its not even the losing that bothering me at this point. Its the mediocrity thats hard to swallow.
by Zumone on Nov 30, 2008 8:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The defense is not bad
It’s had some key injuries and still hasn’t been the reason we lose. If your offense can’t outscore a hockey team, your defense will struggle to win you a game.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 1, 2008 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I made this point yesterday while tailgating with my buddies. I’ve gotten a pretty well-deserved reputation for being incorrigible to sit next to during games. But the point I made was that it’s not the losing that makes me a raving lunatic, it’s the absolutely unwatchable-ness (<—made up word) of this team. However, I wouldn’t use mediocre. I would trample people to see mediocre. This team has been pathetic.
by thatguy34 on Dec 1, 2008 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have gone with Unwatchability. Sounds like a bad movie title.
This team is mediocre, but is playing pathetic….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With Tom Brady out all season
and the Pats’ brutal schedule, this AFC East division is up for grabs. ….and we blew a golden opportunity we may not have again for several years.
Hell, even Miami with its horrible start and only one win last season, has now passed us and is only one game out of the division lead! Are you kidding me?! Do you know what a big game next week WOULD have been with a victory today? What a waste.
Oh, well…..I’ll get over it, too, I suppose. I always do but all these years of losing are starting to get to me.
by ccthemovieman on Nov 30, 2008 9:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
terribl
team, terrible uniforms, terrible coaching, terrible ownership. Here’s what we need to be super bowl contenders:
A QB, an OL, 2 WR’s, 2 TE’s, 3 DE’s, 2 LB’s, S, a kicker, new coaching staff, and some players that aren’t a bunch of sallies and can play in the cold weather and represent Buffalo’s true blue-collar work ethic like the Steelers do for Pittsburgh.
But seriously, winning 6-7 games every friggn year is a joke
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 30, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
just to understand
What uniform do you find terrible? Their current ones or the throwbacks?
by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I find it funny that you listed uniforms before coaching and ownership. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2008 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wake up
We didn’t play bad. The players are not to blame. We got inside the 5 THREE times and came away with THREE points. No matter how well Lynch plays for some reason the Bills refuse, absolutely refuse, to run the ball into the endzone!!!!!!
I’m going insane. It simply makes NO sense. When you are at the five, have Marshawn Lynch and the biggest offensive line in football, and the ground game got you to within breathing room of the goaline, it is absolutely astounding that we give up on it then.
I hate to say it but I’m not as upset as I’ve been in past seasons. This team will be a contender, maybe as soon as next year but definitely in two years, even if we got into the playoffs we wouldn’t have made any noise. Bragging rights and a boost of confidence would have been nice but our time is still a bit away.
THAT SAID: I say we keep Dick and get rid of Turk. The man who was supposed to make us less predictable turned us into a pass happy team with a QB who has started less than 15 games. That simply is not football smarts. PERIOD.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Nov 30, 2008 10:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell do we bring in? Mike Leach I wish would be willing to do that, but that would be coaching suicide, and he would want to be HC anyway
Who else will come here and be our OC? Who out there can we point to and say “He will take a contract with a team whose owner is truly looking past his own death to make sure the team is sellable. And a HC who while good with his players isn’t strong enough to make them man up when needed?” Who in their right mind would take this? Norm Chow maybe? And is he really that good?
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Dec 1, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how about Jim Kelly?
He’s at the games already anyway!
by jimkutica on Dec 1, 2008 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i blame
one player. Edwards/Losman. Terrible absolutely terrible. You can’t win with that play. How long can you sit in the pocket? OL played a solid game today and should be commended for coming back the last 3 weeks and keeping the QB clean and getting the running game going.
Bring in an offensive wizard……we need so much help offensively
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 30, 2008 10:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where is he going to throw? Our WRs don’t get open consistently…
~K
by Kurupt on Nov 30, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Such a key here, K
WR’s shut down by the Niners. I don’t recall 1 deep attempt to Evans. This has to reflect on the OC’s playbook and game preperations/plan. But Marv has a point…the qb has to give the recievers a chance, at least a few times a game. Edwards/Losman are holding the ball too long. Then again, the ball should have been in Lynch’s hands half those plays.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Dec 1, 2008 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Losman took 3 coverage sacks. So no.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2008 6:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the players
are the idiots who couldn’t execute in the red zone and youc an’t blame that all on the coaches….Trent can audibule and he did on that stupid sprint boot leg and it was the wrong call. Turk called a run. Players have to execute and they simply didn’t when it mattered
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Nov 30, 2008 10:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Evans
I also don’t think its fair to say that one offensive player, Lynch, showed up. Lee Evans did as much as he could.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Nov 30, 2008 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so did josh reed in my opinion.......
he made some tough catches as well
Disappointment proves that expectations were mistaken.......ladies and gentlemen your 2008 Buffalo Bills.....
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This loss was everyones fault today excepting 2 groups
The D in general, they played better than we should ever have expceted considering the drek we call an Offfense that took the field today, you boys are excused, have a good night.
Lynch/Reed/Schouman- These three guys came to play today, no one else from the offense did though. Yes the Oline did have some good plays, they also had some cover your eyes aweful ones too, no pardon this time kids. The rest of the WR corps? Umm guys, you gotta HELP the freaking QB if you wanna win, break routes off, get into the defender to draw PI, do SOMETHING OTHER THAN STAND THERE LOOKING BORED! I’M LOOKING AT YOU HARDY! DO SOMETHING YOU SOMNOLENT TREE!
Coaching- Ummm, Turk, your gonna baby gone, end of the line, nice having you here, but thats it pal your done. You cannot for the life of you call a game like that, no matter what. I’ve seen better play calling over a freaking game hitting the “Ask Madden” button and only using the first play highlighted. If a videogame is out calling your OC, thats it. The rest of the staff excepting Fewell this week and his boys needs a good sound boxing of the ears. The team looked flat and very ill-prepared. Parrish, wtf are you doing fielding a punt that was heading into the endzone at the 1? Way to earn more touches you bum. DJ, its your duty to make sure your OC, DC, and STC all have their men ready for game day, and 2 of your coordinators dropped the ball BADLY. If you want to stay employed as a HC in this league, they better win out if you want to stay here more than another season (Wilson is too cheap to buy you out immediately, so enjoy the job security in this economy bozo).
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Dec 1, 2008 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lee Evans came to play today........I'd add him in there
Disappointment proves that expectations were mistaken.......ladies and gentlemen your 2008 Buffalo Bills.....
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 1, 2008 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, people
You make it sound like they’re the Lions out there. Yes, we went from Super Bowl hopes to mock drafts in about a month and a half. But don’t forget that this is a young team in a deep division (ask people that root for another AFC team which East team they’d WANT to face in a first round playoff game) with a coach that has had one good team in his career (that 13-3 Bears team) and a bunch of middling (…at best…) teams. This is not a blow-it-up-and-start-over situation. In terms of personnel we only really need a few things…and a mild coaching philosophy change. I’m not saying we’re a few breaks from 10-6, or that this is a great team, but it isn’t nearly as bad as the comments around here would lead anyone to believe.
I now relinquish the soap box.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 1, 2008 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Over the span of a decade
The Bills aren’t too many pegs below the Lions.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2008 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The kid I feel the worst for
Beyond the fact that Marshawn was having a BEAST of a game and should have been handed off to non stop. Leodis McKelvin was screwed twice, very badly in this game. He played pretty good coverage all game then, two flags both thrown about a half an hour after the play was over. Its like the refs waited till they realized it was a rookie then threw the flag. I was screaming at the TV for both of them.
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