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The Mike Holmgren Effect

As I witness a 2-10 season (that the Bills started ;-) ) from my Seahawks, it made me think about Mike Holmgren. I made an observation that provides many doubts about his hall-of-fame status, and this is relevant to this blog because Dick Jauron was part of Mr. Walrus' staff in his Green Bay days.

 

At the request of a user I'll post this again (with some things added in), and you can debate this.

In bullet points are a list of NFL head coaches that were assistants in Holmy's GB days in the 90s, and here are your results...

 

I’ll add-on to this.

The following people have been under Holmgren’s Green Bay system:

    * Dick Jauron, who was fired from Chicago and failed to win their only playoff game. Was an interim coach in Detroit and made a 4-7 team finish 5-11. Now he's in Buffalo and still hasn't produced a winning record at season's end.

    * Andy Reid, it took him 4 NFC Title games to make it to one Super Bowl in which he lost. Now his job is on the line with the Iggles at a 6-5-1 record.

    * Steve Mariucci, failed to get the Super Bowl, lost all road playoff games and lost 1 NFC Title Game. He had some clunkers that featured 4-12 and 6-10 seasons when the team wasn't winning at will. He then proceeded to flop as Lions coach and works for the NFL Network,

    * Marty Mornhinweg gave the ball to the other team to start OT in his tenure with the Lions after winning the coin toss. He is now offensive coordinator with the Eagles.

    * Ray Rhodes was fired in Philly after a hot start. He won NFL Coach of the Year in his 1st season, dismantled Detroit 58-37, but got shutout in SF the next year in the playoffs and had record of 6-9-1 and 3-13 the next 2 seasons before getting canned. He coached one season in Green Bay and that was an 8-8 disaster. He is currently a defensive coordinator with the Texans.

    * Jon Gruden, very successful in Oakland and never had a losing record. However, no Super Bowl appearance and lost 2 low-scoring games including the infamous tuck rule game. He took the Bucs to a Super Bowl Victory with mostly Tony Dungy's team that was built on it's strong defense. They missed the playoffs the next 2 seasons and has yet to win a playoff game (both at home) since. He is still the best coach from this group and the Bucs are legit playoff contenders.

 

The common theme here? They all run virtually the same, unimaginative WCO system that depends on the O-line being successful with finesse blocking instead of “power blocking”. The WCO is about slants and curl patterns and less about deep bombs or pump-and-go plays. The Bills scored 3 points and looking at Gamecast did not attempt many passes longer than 25 yards. Come on, on 4th and 15 they threw a dumpoff.

The playcalling is always balanced or pass heavy, while the running back just wastes away when not getting enough touches (see Brian Westbrook).

A lot of poor, predictable, safe and conservative playcalling instead of a "down your throat" kind of game has gotten the following head coaches a combined 1 Super Bowl win and a losing record in the playoffs that features 4 road wins and 5 home playoff defeats.

Jauron is just another mediocre coach from the old Holmgren-GB days and the mentor has taught the students to “play not to lose” instead of “to win”.

With that said, Jauron has a brain, he can definitely change things up when the crap hits the fan like it has here.

 

Those are my two cents.

This FanPost was written by a registered user of Buffalo Rumblings. Its views do not necessarily reflect the views of Rumblings' editorial staff, but are just as valued as our own.

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Please email this to Ralf Wilson

Maybe our next coach will be picked off a different tree.

by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2008 6:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Marv Levy is still alive. ;-)

Seattle, the world's worst sports city.

by SSreporters on Nov 30, 2008 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most of that makes a lot of sense. I disagree with a few things:

The Bills do use a power running game scheme-wise. They just don’t actually overpower D-Lines as often as they should. Thats partly the due to the awful centers, a Jason Peters holdout and mentality to only finish plays part of the time and an average LG, RG and RT.

Everybody loves to rip on Edwards, Jauron and the team in general for not throwing the ball down the field, but the Bills have 36 pass plays of over 20 yards, which is the 9th most in the league. Despite Trent Edwards’ reluctance to take chances down the field, the Bills have been effective getting big chunks of yardage through the air.

It is funny how all of those guys have so many philosophical similarities, but I think its mostly coincidence that most of them aren’t having success right now.

by kaisertown on Dec 1, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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