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Bills' offense absent in third straight loss


Cassel, Pats run over hapless Bills (Associated Press)

For the third consecutive week, the Buffalo Bills dropped a key divisional game against a solid AFC East rival.  A 20-10 loss to the New England Patriots is Buffalo's fourth loss in their last five games, and leaves them at the bottom of the division less than a month after leading it.

The Bills committed two more turnovers in an abysmal offensive effort that negated solid efforts by Buffalo's defense and special teams.  Left on the field for far too long, Buffalo's defense eventually broke, allowing the Patriots to chew up over 37 minutes of possession time, 144 rushing yards and all of the momentum in this one.  The Bills only lost by 10, but it could have been much, much worse than that - and it probably should have been.

Offense plays terribly
Trent Edwards threw two more interceptions today, and not even a late garbage-time touchdown pass to James Hardy could elevate his QB rating above a paltry 52.8.  He completed 14 of 23 passes for just 120 yards, with the score and two picks.  Once again, Edwards struggled without a solid running game - the Bills rushed for 60 yards on the day, doubling the pathetic 30 they picked up against the Jets last week - and was erratic while enduring a steady Patriots pass rush.  This was easily Edwards' worst performance as a pro; the stats don't tell the whole story.  Buffalo got nothing going offensively.

The predictability of Buffalo's offense is laughable.  One of my key areas of focus tomorrow while reviewing film is going to be putting a percentage to the number of times Edwards throws from under center.  We've seen this predictability before; the fact that it remains an issue is, quite frankly, absurd.

Marshawn Lynch fought hard for the 46 rushing yards he did pick up (averaging 3.3 yards per carry).  Roscoe Parrish was the team's leading receiver with 4 catches for 31 yards; Lee Evans had just 2 receptions for 22 yards in what was easily his worst performance of the season as well.  Teams continue to focus on negating Evans, and it's working wonders.

D, Special Teams keep it close... for a while
While getting no help from the offense, Buffalo's defense and special teams kept this game competitive into the fourth quarter.  The D held the Patriots to just a field goal after Edwards' first interception, and forced a fumble on a Matt Cassel sack after Trent's second pick.  Allowing just 3 points off of turnovers allowed the Bills to stay alive - or, rather, it would have if the offense wasn't playing so terribly.

In the end, however, Buffalo was once again unable to get off the field in the fourth quarter, allowing the Patriots to chew up over 9 minutes of game clock in the fourth quarter.  The Patriots converted 11 of 18 third downs, Cassel scrambled for 22 yards and a score, and rookie undrafted free agent BenJarvus Green-Ellis picked up 105 yards and a score on the day.

Leodis McKelvin's 85-yard kickoff return late in the game, along with a strong punting effort from Brian Moorman (four punts downed inside New England's 20) highlighted an excellent special teams effort by the Bills.  The team also did well containing top-flight Patriots returners Ellis Hobbs, Wes Welker and Kevin Faulk.

Three big games coming up
The Bills fell flat on their faces in the toughest stretch of their schedule, and now sit at 0-3 in the division.  The team now plays three very winnable games in a row - at home against Cleveland on Monday Night, at Kansas City, and at home against San Francisco.  Needless to say, anything less than 3 wins in that stretch would likely relegate the Bills to also-ran status in the AFC - if they're not there already.

Game balls
There were some contenders, but a Bills loss negates the need to reward anyone.  If you're looking to hand out "anti-game balls", come on down, Turk Schonert, Trent Edwards and Dick Jauron.  (Yes, I said it.)

Roll Call
Thanks to ALL 34 folks who joined me in today's game thread, and props once again to WABillsFan who paced us all with a healthy 145 comments.

Ron From NM, StuckInNJ, taskersd, silverstreak3k, WABillsfan, BuffaloBrewed, Slimmons, SebastianPruiti, thatguy34, MonStarr_716, fletcherjd, D.O., NJBillsfan, Thronsen, BeastMode, ccthemovieman, keuka121, TheK-GunNeedsReloaded, Kumario!, bullruns, krytime, Cinga, keysh67, NJBill, geno227, Memphisbillsfan, jdol1568, Gino Parilli, TheAfghanTwilight, Hopefulcynic, Kurupt, chaosthepitbull, bflobob8, savedbychrist

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BEYOND PITIFUL

What else needs to be said about that effort?

by JTM1023 on Nov 9, 2008 5:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m considering changing the blog’s tagline to “Buffalo Rumblings: scouting future mediocrity since April 7, 2007”

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 9, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First to Worst

How can that happen in just 3 weeks? They showed such promise early on to just be so dissappointing now. This is really painful.

by JTM1023 on Nov 9, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the worst stat of them all, and the answer to your question: in the last 3 weeks, the Bills are 0-3. The Pats, Jets and Dolphins are a combined 8-1 in that time frame, with the lone loss New England’s (to Indy last week).

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 9, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the answer

But it really was a rhetorical question, kind of like “How can this possibly be happening?”

by JTM1023 on Nov 9, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

clearly

our starters can stand up to anyone, the problem is depth. When you have poor depth, you have little margin for error and we are beyond that margin.

by Ono on Nov 9, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After our fifth win

1) The FO, out of their minds with joy because they finally have an apparent winner, extend head coach Dick Jauron’s contract, instead of patiently waiting to see what happens the entire season;

2) Trent Edwards goes on ESPN’s PTI, Jim Rome Show and various other programs and and gets talked about like he’s the new Joe Montana

We haven’t won a game since.

Yes, Jauron is a classy and nice man, but he has been a loser as head coach every year but one in the NFL. Edwards is a bit more of a mystery. Maybe he just looked too good too soon and fooled us. He’ll still be very good (I hope) but it takes time. There are only a few Dan Marino types who get excel right off the bat.

Finally, I still maintain we will never be a big winner until we get a good offensive line. It sets the tone and its weakness affects this entire Buffalo Bills team in a big way.

by ccthemovieman on Nov 9, 2008 5:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

tough to argue w/any of that

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 9, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are going to say it

Stand on a mountaintop and scream it!

This team just isn’t tough enough to win against good teams. There’s no other way around it, the Bills are soft. The D played well, but when they needed a stop at the end, couldn’t get it again. The O sucked again.

I wish Evans could play well against the Pats. That’d be nice. Of course when your QB is stinking up the joint, there’s not much you can do.

Matt Cassel had 234 yards passing and no INT’s Our pass D absolutely stinks. We make no plays out there.

Good to see McKelvin rounding into form at KR. He’s finally making some cuts out there, which is obviously getting him some room and a lot of yards. Bright spot alert!

Another bright spot, at least we aren’t the Raiders.

Bad news, KC looks like they are starting to get a lot better. Tyler Thigpen isn’t horrible. That’ll be a tough game in 2 weeks, one we likely lose on the road.

This is very depressing. A Monday night game next week just doesn’t seem like much fun.

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 9, 2008 5:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your assessment, too

Pretty sad when our “D” makes Cassel look like a pretty good pro. We are the first team, I believe, to make him look good.

You can add “at least we aren’t the Lions,” but that’s small consolation!!

by ccthemovieman on Nov 9, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We are the first team, I believe, to make him look good.

Cassel was the AFC player of the week when he ripped Denver apart week 7. He has had three weeks other than Denver where he has averaged over 8 yards per pass attempt.

by kaisertown on Nov 9, 2008 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We cannot defend against a 5 to 7 yard pass over the middle to save our life

I’m sick of this Tampa 2 defense. Unless the ball get’s tipped it’s an automatic gain against us. Wouldn’t you think our coaches would do something about it.

by gjv on Nov 9, 2008 5:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s not the Tampa 2 defense. It’s the guys we have running it. We’ve got to get a pass rush…

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 9, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You set your defense to your players strengths

Brian, If you are correct then we have a coaching staff that does not know how to evaluate players.

by gjv on Nov 9, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure how you deduced that… I said we needed a pass rush. If we had a Dwight Freeney, this defense would be outstanding.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 9, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very simple

It’s not rocket science. How many times do you need to watch Wes Welker embarass our linebackers before you make an adjustment. Even our old reciever Sam Aikens took advantage of our inability to cover the quick pass over the middle. Even with Feeney the play is a thee step drop and to quick for a pass rush to be effective. I do agree with you that we don’t have a pass rush from our front four. But thats nothing new. We havn’t had a pass rush from our front four since 1998.

by gjv on Nov 9, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cassel was touched once

and it led to a fumble. Needless to say, he held the ball a week on that play. Where is Chris Ellis? They showed him on the sideline with his helmet strapped on. What don’t we know about our 3rd round pick? Why is he held back? Especially with the #1 DE out!!!

Sweet home Orchard Park.

by the Uncommon Denominator on Nov 9, 2008 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

as i predicted

we will be 7-5 with 4 weeks to go. ANyone think we can win at least 3 games with MIA, JETS, DENVER, NE?? I don’t see it. This season has 8-8 written all over it

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Nov 9, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TOUGHNESS

this is exactly what we are missing. This OL should be enforcing their will and having MARSHAWN bowl over people….INSTEAD we are SHOTGUN 4 wide, with plays that take way too long to develop. It is awful

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Nov 9, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think we have the rest of the NFL, right where we want them!!!!!

Sarcasm off….
But seriously, we won 4 of 5 in the last quarter, with things the other team, didn’t expect… What happened to that play book??
This game, and the last; were play book of what not to do… Heck, even Cross knew what play we were gonna run… Did we throw away our “mics” and go back to last year’s play signals??
Anyway…. I feel the pain as well as the rest of you… But, I’m a Bills fan, and was sickened by the comments of going off to cheer for other teams… A “REAL” Bills fan, will live, or die, by our team…
Wanna jump off the wagon?? Jump then, before “REAL” fans, give you a swift one up the buttocks(wanna be politically correct, but ya get my drift)….
Yes, depth hurts us.. We’ve lost, Crowell, Shobel, Reed, Whitner, Butler, ’Bouty, And how many more? For how many “man” games??
Did I think the Bills were going to the Super Bowl this year?? Course not!!! Though at one time, like you, I hoped… But we’re still young by NFL standards… And will get better without a doubt!!!!
Maybe, for some of you, our slogan should read, “Nobody circles the wagons like the Bills (as long as we’re winning)”…
So…… Jump off…. I’m not gonna stop you… And if you want help, I can oblige there as well…. It’ll be fun actually, since I can’t stand a “fair weather” Bills fan….
To the “REAL” fans on this board… Yeah, I know…. It hurts the same, or even more, than other years….
But ya know what??
(Sarcasm on)
We have the rest of the NFL, right where we want them!!!!
(Sarcasm off)
WE ARE BILLS FANS!!!! After all… We will criticize, and thump our team, but never, ever, cheer for another… We are, after all.. Bills Fans…. We will love our team, no matter what, win or lose, cause, need I say it again?? We are Bills fans!!!!
Yeah, I know, Brian, you can ban me for this if you want, and I’ll accept it gracefully…
To you “fair weather” Bills fans…. Just go away… If you haven’t “been there, done that” through the years (except for the youngsters), your not a “REAL” fan anyway…. So, just go away…
……………
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by Cinga on Nov 9, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not gonna ban you. You’re right on.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 9, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...

But darn it!!!!
As we blog about our Bills, I get so tired of seeing negative, and some of that negative the last weeks has been, “well, I’ll go cheer somewhere else”…..
I obviously, have not posted many game time comments lately…
I would rather cheer, than smash…
We simply have a “good” Bills team… Not a “great” team… Not yet anyway… But regardless, We are FANS. aren’t we?

by Cinga on Nov 9, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Out of context

I think the cheer for Seattle comment was because they were playing the Dolphins. I don’t think anyone was jumping off the bandwagon.

Hell, we’ve been Bills fans this long…I don’t think that will change now.

D.O.
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by David Oleksy on Nov 9, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sabres lost last night too, D.O. Bad weekend in Buffalo. :(

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 9, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah you're telling me

D.O.
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by David Oleksy on Nov 9, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heck, even Cross knew what play we were gonna run

Not only that but he could tell when the Pats were going to load up against the run…what happened? The Bills run right into an 8 man front.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Nov 9, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

too tough to take. But i’ll continue to billieve. It is just really hard to do that right now. This team has gotta to de down big time and hopefully they can dig deep inside and find motivation to turn this thing around

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Nov 9, 2008 6:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think, you hit the nail.....

right on the head!!!
Down big time, after all the expectations of early this season…
Maybe we do, actually, have the rest of the NFL, right where we want them…
Personally, I’m a bit of a realist… I want my Bills, to win the last game of every season….
This year, it may be like others of the immediate past… It may be the last of the regular season….
But some day…. Soon… It will be the last game period, and we’ll win!!!!!
Hey… I’m a Bills Fan…..

by Cinga on Nov 9, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think our team could benefit from better coaches

I just find that the coaching stinks. Actually not really the coaching as much as the play calling – from both sides of the ball.

Is it just me or did Marshawn look good when he was getting the ball? Lynch/Jackson are so under utilized it’s not even funny. Then you have the predictability of our stupid formations, I simply cannot believe that Jauron/Schonert/Studesville are all three that oblivious to the level of predictability that we’ve become!! It is to the point that I am fed-up watching this crap. I think our players are asked to produce in very difficult circumstances created by the coaching staff.

I understand that Jauron is gun shy after loosing every challenge so far this year but how he did not challenge that play today is beyond me. He needs to dial in some emotions because he is WAY too passive.

I’ve been a fan fore-ever but this is getting to be so discouraging… It’s taking the fun out of the season. Jauron needs to get involved and get Schonert to start running the football better because he is the primary reason for our poor running stats. No imagination on the running formations and a pig headedness to always go up the middle is just exacerbating the weak Oline play. Someone needs to seriously sit Schonert down and possibly strip him of his calling duties.

by keysh67 on Nov 9, 2008 7:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me or did Marshawn look good when he was getting the ball? Lynch/Jackson are so under utilized it’s not even funny.

Lynch and Jackson combined for 60 yards rushing on 18 carries. They only threw the ball 25 times (including the sacks) so there was some balance there. I think the RBs are playing great and the coaching staff would love to get them the ball more, but our offensive line is preventing it. The blocking is so bad that the running game has almost become a lost cause.

by kaisertown on Nov 9, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone on the Bills needs to speak up and call out half hearted performance

Remember the Bickering Bills during our Super Bowl years. When someone didn’t leave it all on the field players like Leonard Smith, Jim Kelly, Darrel Talley and Bruce Smith would get in their face. The Bills today look like a bunch of pay check players.

by gjv on Nov 9, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know if the Bills staff and/or players check this site out?

Maybe they should read some of this stuff and take some of our advice. I keep assuming they know the game better than us spectators, but perhaps we have a much better vantage point on whats going on down on the field.

That Wildcat offense has potential also…Freddy needs to air one out to Trent. LOL

by JTM1023 on Nov 10, 2008 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lame replay call by Jauron

Welker was clearly out of bounds and did not have control of the ball anyways. Why was the red flag toss so half hearted as the announcers described?

by JTM1023 on Nov 10, 2008 8:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Getting over loss....looking ahead

I am a true optimist and especially when it comes to the Buffalo Bills. This effort was very sub par, mostly offensively, but the season is not yet over. We are 2 games back in the AFC East division (0-3 to 2-1). Firstly, the blame is mainly on the shoulders of the coaching staff. We looked like the Steve Fairchild-led offense from last year, as it was really easy to call what plays we were running, and Dick Jauron plays wayyyyyyy to conservative. Ridiculous. Teams don’t win by sitting back, rarely blitzing, and calling the same 5 offensive plays. But as I stated, the season is still just 9 games in. The playoffs was the Bills goal at season start, and we have a critical yet winnable stretch coming up. Home Cleveland, @ KC, home San Fran, home Miami. Win all those 4, and we are back in it. Not to worry. But first, the coaching staff needs to go back to the drawing board, and start to play more physical and fast, and switch it up on offense like we were doing earlier in the season. We have the big athletes to do this. This 4 game stretch will tell a lot. We have a lot of football left. Getting healthy will also help. GO BILLS

by billsct11 on Nov 9, 2008 8:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At least Fairchild actually ran the ball

Had we done that we would have had a chance!

by keysh67 on Nov 9, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not implying that I liked Fairchild

Just that I am starting to dislike Schonert even more.

by keysh67 on Nov 9, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The issue with this is that I think with McNally gone, our line blocking has gone downhill

For whatever reason he seemed able to get at the minimum a decent effort from the same 5 guys last season. The plays haven’t changed that much from last year.

Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....

by WABillsfan on Nov 10, 2008 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trent Edwards is lined up in a shotgun every other play.

and 95% of the time it is to throw!

And when he lines up under center, 95% of the time he hands it off.

Did you you see many play-action passes from under center yesterday? Did you see any screen passes?

All I know is that if the common fan like us know what they are about to do then opposing DC know even more so how can we expect a sub-par Line to protect or create holes? The play calling needs to improve in order to give them a fighting chance!

I 100% agree with you that McNally’s absence is felt big time.

by keysh67 on Nov 10, 2008 7:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The coach is gone...

…so these guys forgot how to protect the passer and open holes for the runners? I don’t believe its due to coaching. I think it has a lot to do with the continuity on the line. They spent all spring and summer without their “best” lineman, who is now the leading penalty committor. They keep switching out the center. Brad Butler has been out for a few weeks. These guys just can’t get into a groove.

Marshawn up the middle is not going to work with these guys. Turk Fairchild needs to figure it out SOON. When the running plays are designed to go outside, Marshawn gets his yards. 5-10 yard passes to TE’s and screens should work all the time after receivers are checked down, but the Bills don’t seem to employ this tactic either. Who can’t gain this type yardage against our Defense? Does the offensive coaching staff actually watch the other team on offense? Try some of their plays occasionally, it may prove helpful. NE had some very quick short passes just a second after the snap, and it proved to be positive for them. Do we not have the talent on our side?

by JTM1023 on Nov 10, 2008 7:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Continuity isn’t an excuse. Maybe if there were the occasional breakdown, but these guys are getting overpowered, outhustled, beat one on one and simply can’t open holes. Other teams have OL injuries and guys in and out of the lineup, but they don’t seem to have such an enormous disappointment that we have. Other than Fowler, all of these guys have gotten nice contract extensions from the Bills. They are playing like dung and continuity isn’t to blame for such poor play for most of the season.

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 10, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know why Derek Fine did wrong?

He performed extremely well last week and Schouman didn’t, he was responsible for a few sacks last week with his poor blocking. Is he related to Jauron? Why would he get more reps than Fine?

by keysh67 on Nov 9, 2008 8:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Because Fine is still a terrible blocker himself.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 9, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this fact?

I did not see him in at all and even less him missing key blocks. I am just wondering..

Geez it is getting discouraging!

by keysh67 on Nov 9, 2008 8:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is not a good football team. The coaching staff is bewildering in how they never adapt to anything during the game. Is play action against the rules? Can Edwards throw the ball over 25 yards? I think he did it in a game early in the year but I could have been dreaming. How is it possible for a QB to get worse the more he plays? Happened last year also. Lets hope it is 70 degrees and Trent confuses the lights for the sun Monday night because you all remember how well he plays in not perfect weather.

by bflobob8 on Nov 9, 2008 8:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

When do we start screaming for JP?

He can chuck it downfield. Maybe they can work out a platoon system with both QB’s. When we need ball control and Int’s, we use Trent. When we need the bomb…JP can come in and work relief innings.

by JTM1023 on Nov 10, 2008 7:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No No No, never

JP is not the answer. Trent needs reps to improve. he is STILL a very young QB.

by gatornation on Nov 10, 2008 8:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, please. If there’s one thing that Bills fans should know 10000000000% more than any other fan base, it’s that flip-flopping QBs in rough times doesn’t solve anyone’s problems – it just creates more.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 10, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I didn’t really believe it when I typed it, it just seems to be the time when QB controversies start. Good or bad, Trent is the man. Maybe he knows this too and is getting complacent and not performing to his potential.

by JTM1023 on Nov 10, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watching the Giants right now, they just ran the perfect cover 2 or similar scheme. CB Madison was up on the line, bumped the WR and stayed underneath him with Safety help. Perfect position for the easy INT…..Why can’t we see something similar in our scheme?

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 9, 2008 9:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

SEASON OBITURARY

I don’t know why I waste my time. I have tickets to the CLE, SF, NE games and I don’t feel like going.

I never had illusions of a Superbowl birth just make it to the playoffs, that’s all I was hoping for. I expect a team that builds on their errors and this team is NOT doing that. What makes it even worse is the constant speech given by Jauron that they fought hard and that they much prefer being 9-0 but 5-4 is better than… Geez man, we have been supporting this team fore-ever and talk like this is simply not acceptable. Jauron is about as boring as watching white paint dry…

Jauron keeps saying that they need to execute better… The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The O-Line sucks and it will continue to suck so stop hoping for a miracle! Change the playbook and re-adjust around we actually have. We have a great tandem of running backs and a smart quick release QB… Maybe run to the outside more, play-action passes, screen passes, double TE sets (like the Bears have been doing). Our pass rush is completely non-existent, why have we not brought in KGB for a look? Do they expect Denney to suddenly become quick? Why is Ellis not getting a lot more playing time? How the hell could he do a worse job? Steve Johnson has caught all 3 passes thrown to him, why is he not in more often? Derek Fine did a great job last week so he was rewarded this week by not playing?? Why because he might have actually caught a ball??

Dear Ralph, you need a strong GM to run a professional football team. Jauron is floating around thinking that 5-4 is better than 2-7… What kind of attitude is that? We pay for season tickets for this?? C’mon, you need to hire a real GM, it’s a way to keep the HC in check. The season is technically far from over but after three straight losses where absolutely nothing has changed, I seriously wonder what more we can expect from this team. It’s a shame because I honestly believe that this team is way better, it just has lost it’s identity. We are a power running team and the play calling must reflect it. During the off season when Peters was holding out & McNally retired someone (Ie a real GM) should have seen this coming… We should have done something, instead we did absolutely nothing! So as a season ticket holder and a demoralized fan, I blame you Mr Wilson, thanks for the great season!

by keysh67 on Nov 10, 2008 8:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dear Ralph

……your nicer than i would have been.

The issue that i have with Ralph is two folded. One is based upon your statements above and the other is how he is almost assurably making the franchise leave after his passing. this has nothing to do with coaching or the current team.

he has said time and time again…when he passes the team will go to the highest bidder so his family won’t have to go through all the taxes and problems with being an NFL owner.

i keep hearing on how Jim Kelly has a “band” of people with tons of money around. o.k. that is a complete joke. I’m sorry. Kelly doesn’t have anywhere the kind of money it would take to outbid someone from say Vegas or Los Angeles or somewhere. the inflated economies of certain areas of the nation prevent that.

thats what sucks

by J2 on Nov 10, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The truth is, you have no idea how much money Kelly’s group of investors has. You’re letting the negativity of the team’s current play sink into an issue that has zero to do with it. It’s a completely separate issue.

People don’t realize that it’s not Kelly buying the team. Of course he doesn’t have enough money. Hence the group of people. Hence more money. Hence the ability to buy the team. What you expressed is opinion; we won’t know the facts of the situation until Ralph passes.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 10, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brian - slow down

this has been my point of view since the topic came up in the beginning. the only reason i decided to throw the comment in was because he had a “dear ralph” and i was adding my 2 cents about ralph wilson.

look at my comment – this has nothing to do with the coaching or current team. i am coming from a business perspective.

I do realize that Kelly does not have the money – look at what i said – “band” of people. everyone knows he doesn’t have the money. that is obvious

what is not obvious is that the AREA does not have the money. think about it. a gallon of milk in vegas or NYC is much much more expensive because of inflation in those areas. o.k.? there is more money in those areas – so a businessman is making more money because of the economy he is living in. you and i both know that making $100000 in NYC is like $50000 in Buffalo. as a result he has more money and can take business from lower inflated areas.

there just isn’t the money in the AREA

by J2 on Nov 10, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

as a result

sorry hit post on accident and didn’t get to finish.

as a result – that businessman that is making more money because of the economy he is living in can outbid a lower inflated area based off of the economies of scale. Vegas already said that they wanted a team and i can guarantee you that they would outbid any amount of cash that anyone in the area could come up with.

if Gollisano sells the sabres (NFL does not allow someone to buy a team that already owns a professinoal franchise) we might have a chance. a very slim one at best. i’m sorry to say…but the writing is on the walls once again

by J2 on Nov 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious....

you mentioned milk and NYC. How much do you guys pay upstate for milk? I pay $1.85 for a half gallon here in NYC….are food prices that much different???

Just wondering, and back to discussing the Bills’ problems….

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 10, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its about...

just went last night $1.35 for half gallon

by J2 on Nov 10, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plus

i don’t live in buffalo…i live outside of erie county. so that makes a difference

by J2 on Nov 10, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

for kurupt

dont’ even get me started on NYC.

you guys kill us for everything – taxes, energy. did you know that niagara falls is the largest energy source in NORTH AMERICA, i live about 40 mintues from there, and we have the HIGHEST energy taxes in America. care to venture a guess??? yup..NYC.

by J2 on Nov 10, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll go milk price checking after work

gotta run to tops anwyays…we’ll see, but if i remember it was like 1.35 or 1.50 or something like that

by J2 on Nov 10, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I agree. NYC prices are ridiculous. I hate it.

~K

by Kurupt on Nov 10, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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