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Organizational shake up coming in Buffalo?

Well, it's finally happened, Rumblers.  We've gotten our first article of the off-season (let's not kid ourselves, it's the off-season) proclaiming that Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson is on the verge of shaking things up with our Bills.  The article comes courtesy of the "The Way We Hear It..." section of Pro Football Weekly.

Let's dig in and discuss, shall we?

Ralph Wilson can’t take it anymore. That’s the belief of many in Buffalo, who anticipate the Bills’ 90-year-old owner will be giving the ax to coach Dick Jauron after the season.

Hold your applause, because "That's the belief of many in Buffalo" could be referencing anybody - even us.  Still, PFW can hardly be considered illegitimate, especially considering the following...

Club sources say Jauron recognizes his fate, as his customarily even-keeled persona has dipped into more of a demeanor of resignation.

Well, I mean, he might be a bit resigned because his team's lost six of seven; then again, that stretch could very well cost him his job.  Plus, I'm always wary of the "club sources" bit, even if I've written the same words myself.  I have the bias of knowing what I was writing was true, at least from the source's point of view; I'd hope we can believe the same here.

Hang on, though - it gets even more interesting.

Changes might not stop with Jauron... Wilson has cast an envious eye toward the job Bills Parcells has done in his first year as the Dolphins’ executive VP of football operations, molding a roster that was 1-15 in 2007 to the brink of the postseason in ’08. He may be looking for his own Parcells.

You know, in my mind, there's only one guy out there - and that's just in theory - that rivals Parcells in terms of clout, and that man is Bill Cowher.  As I've repeated ad nauseam this week - good luck with that one, Ralph.  But the "lack of talent" comments Ralph has made was, in fact, pointing an accusatory finger at the front office folks, as the article alludes to.  Anyone else think we might be heading for a second straight year of restructuring the front office?

However, a change in the front office doesn’t appear to be as imminent as a coaching change, in part due to Wilson’s fear of appointing another Tom Donahoe, the Bills’ GM from 2001-05.

Yep - we discussed that at length yesterday.  We discussed GM candidates slightly less than a year ago after Marv Levy's resignation, and lo and behold, one of those guys got the job - sort of; the in-house guy, aptly named Guy.  (As a side note, one man on that list was a favorite of mine - Tom Dimitroff, who has now assumed the title of Midas in Atlanta.)  Last time I checked, Bill Cowher is both outside the organization and a guy who would require more than just coaching power to be lured to Buffalo; it seems to scream "Ralph won't touch this!", but apparently, PFW thinks in time, we'll see if that's true for ourselves.

To me, I'm not taking this article with a great deal of authority, though it'll certainly brighten the days of folks who wouldn't mind seeing this thing blown up and rebuilt - again.  I'm more of a "roll with change as it happens" guy, and obviously, the change hasn't happened yet.  Take a gander at the article and leave your thoughts below - it's certain to, at the very least, bring up some good discussion, eh?

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Cowher or Schottenheimer

Now that Schottenheimer has left the door open…

I was reading an article by Floyd Reese the other day, a closer look at the coach/gm relationship and it made me realize that it’s not easy to find two individuals that can co-exist in such a situation. It definitely explains why so many GM/Coach situations become unstable. I certainly am not convinced that the right individual cannot perform both functions better. It certainly reduces the finger pointing and the buck stops in only one place.

I have added Cowher or Schottenheimer or Holgrem to my X-mas list!

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 1:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Floyd Reese...

…I also read on PFT that he’s looking to get back into the front office of some team (he’s linked to the Browns), in fact, he’s panting for it. Just throwing that out there.

Link: http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/11/floyd-reese-lobbies-for-browns-job/

by PozDispenser on Dec 12, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ew, Holmgren?! His West Coast philosophy is precisely what we don’t need in Buffalo, and he wasn’t a good GM/coach in Seattle (hence them hiring a GM, reducing Holmgren’s role). Let’s keep it to Cowher and Schottenheimer, shall we? :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 12, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. NO WALRUS.

I’m thinking a Coach/GM could work here if we kinda kept the current team on. We don’t have a “real GM” right now so let Guy and Brandon et al (or some of them or none of them, I don’t care if it means we get Cowher or even Schott) handle the nitty gritty of the business side of things with Cowher/Schott making all the decisions.

by twoeightnine on Dec 12, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I though him in there because...

He did extremely well in Green Bay
W/L= 75-37 (.670) Playoff record 9-5
Alexander had great years
1997 Levens=1435y

Then in Seattle
W/L= 84-73 (.543) Playoff record 4-6
2001=1318y
2002=1175y
2003=1435y
2004=1696y
2005=1880y

I know it’s a west coast offense but with a very strong running game. Trent has been in Schonert’s system and maybe there would be some carry over? Holmgrem is known to be a teacher and also a guy that expects a lot from his players and is quite demanding.

I’d prefer Cowher or Schottenheimer but maybe Holmgrem could be a possibility? I am not convinced either but I just wanted to put the name out there!

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh lordy-loo, NO WALRUS, NO Fats Andy Reid either

Both make DJ look like a freaking genius come game day with challeneges and clock management.

Holmgren, MAYBE in a FO role, but nothing beyond that, good heavens people!

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Dec 12, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mumbo Jumbo

From my perspective, that entire article could be based off of recent public comments made to the media. The “sources” could be Chris Brown reporting Jauron having said he understands the severity of situation, and that it falls squarely on him. Was this “envious eye” Ralph has casted just him acknolwedging the Dolphin’s turnaround? (Doesn’t cite a source there…). Phrases like “could tempt” and “He may be” leade me to believe its just one writer’s speculative opinion. There’s nothing to base this on.

Although I don’t think DJ will ever turn us into a Dominant team and I think some decisive action is required, I don’t see these wholesale changes happening.

GoBills.

by The Biscuit on Dec 12, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Points well received, but we don’t have any evidence that they’re untrue, either. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 12, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could stand up Marcus Stroud with one leg

Haha, no evidence that’s not true. But I am pretty interested in Ralph’s opinion on player quality though. Most of us have said we have the potential and might be a few players away from fielding a high quality squad. WIth Ralph’s comment, and Turk saying players just aren’t making plays…are we not talented enough to make the needed plays? I would tend to think we do have that talent, but someway or another it’s just not being utilized well enough.

GoBills.

by The Biscuit on Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Schonert is saying the O-players aren’t talented enough, why the heck didn’t he design a better system around them?

by thefourwinds on Dec 14, 2008 6:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher

I actually think that Ralph would consider Cowher even after the Donahoe fiasco. The reason is that Cowher has proven himself over decades. Everyone in the league knows what he brings to the table. He is PROVEN. Donahoe was seen as good but Cowher is a hall of famer and it is known what he would do. It is very very unlikely anyone in the league would think Cowher would fail anywhere. hopefully Ralph sees this as well.

as far as the reports – it could all be speculation as Brian points out – but it is out there now

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 2:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This statement says ALOT
Wilson has cast an envious eye toward the job Bills Parcells has done in his first year as the Dolphins’ executive VP of football operations, molding a roster that was 1-15 in 2007 to the brink of the postseason in ’08. He may be looking for his own Parcells.

We all know Wilsons infatuation with Miami and this could be the reason anything happens.

Wilson wanted the Bills to stay in the AFC East instead of going to the AFC North because of the rivalry with Miami. The Toronto game with Miami was probably Wilsons suggestion.

the fact that Miami was able to turn things around so much after a 1-15 start probably eats Wilson up considering his history with Miami.

If so then that would be a good thing. Follow Miami’s role and take his own Parcells (or Cowher)

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by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

One reason that Cowher might do it. He hates Tom Donahoe That may have cooled a bit over the years, but Donahoe got the ax from the Steelers because he and Cowher couldn’t co-exist. I’m willing to bet that Bill Cowher would love to go into Buffalo and succeed where Donahoe failed.

Worth noting anyway.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Dec 12, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

very good point sireric – wouldn’t that just be sweeeeeeeet

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even talking about the possibility gives me hope,

maybe Ralf will give us a Christmas to remember.

by Joe P. on Dec 12, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we just

have to let this play out. I just am still a little shocked about this Edwards injury…it doesn’t add up to me. He played that whole friggn first half and how bad is this injury? We have heard nothing about it. It just doesn’t make sense. Its like they are protecting him. But I won’t start a conspiracy here, but I do believe Edwards could be playing

Ralph, you have to be jealous. Your team has been out of the spotlight for 9 years! I mean heck they had their first MNF game last year at home in 13 years. We need a saviour in Buffalo. We need someone to turn us into Pittsuburgh’s model. Who better than Cowher? Of course that is and will be a pipe dream. Ralph struggles to bring in someone from outside the organization, but how bad would it be to interview some people? To put out some feelers? can you imgaine the staff Cowher could assemble though??? Wow that would be great

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Dec 12, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

can you imgaine the staff Cowher could assemble though???

anyone got Ralphs number. lets conference him and Cowher in together and make this happen today!

:)

i’d be super stoked if that happened – lets not get too ahead of ourselves – but if this happned i bet we’d contend within 2 years easily

Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider

by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves is right. We’re talking about an article that was built on a foundation of speculation. Nothing has changed. Cowher is still a pipe dream.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 12, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. Let’s focus on beating the Jets and playing spoiler.
However, I could see Ralphy replacing the coach instead of one or all of his Management Trio

Cowher IS a pipe-dream!

check the bottom basement Head Coaching deals first.
If he promotes Bobby April – I’m out!
Funny, Chicago and Detroit players all say the same thing about Jauron – “Good guy…, etc”.
I like Jauron as well, but something must give…

by dloroch on Dec 12, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pass me the "pipe".

lol – that’s funny

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by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's so shocking about it?

On the last or second to last play of the half when Peters got beat he got turned and twisted like a pretzel. That’s going to do some damage to a groin. And leave the conspiracy theory at home. The NFL had a crackdown on false injury reports this year or last thanks to Billy Belli. You CAN’T lie or hide the truth with them anymore. If someone’s doubtful and haven’t practiced all week they’re basically out.

by twoeightnine on Dec 12, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its sad...

its sad when the most fun and excitement i have as a Bills fan comes from off-season rumors, whether they be coaching, player or draft related!

Still interesting though, as a proponent of change, i welcome any sort of hint of it. Maybe the old man has some fight in him after all. We shall see…

John I.

by jri111 on Dec 12, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't ya just love speculating!

It’s one of the most enjoyable parts of blogging. That said, it now comes down to the BIG question – Will Ralph be willing to pay the piper? You get what you pay for and $1.5Mil does not get squat anymore. Anyone have any idea on what Parcells gets? Cowher would be fantastic, but he will command, my guess, $5-6Mil per.
Please, no Shottenheimer. The last thing I need is for us to go 10-6 or 11-5 and lose EVERY first round playoff game. Talk about deflated expectations. God. He has bad karma.
If this comes to pass, I hope we do not bring in a coach who wants to play the 3-4. We have the makings of a good 4-3 and if we bust that up, there goes another 3yrs.

everything goes better with bacon

by keuka121 on Dec 12, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Please, no Shottenheimer. The last thing I need is for us to go 10-6 or 11-5 and lose EVERY first round playoff game. Talk about deflated expectations. God. He has bad karma.

Uh, I don’t mean to state the obvious, but it’s been a while since we’ve gone 10-6, winning or losing in the playoffs notwithstanding. Baby steps!

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 12, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know,l but we're speculating!

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Dec 12, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd

take schottenheimer any day of the week and twice on Sunday. If he brought in an OC that new what the hell was going on

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I too could take 10-6 and a loss in the playoffs at this point for 3 seasons

I’m more than alittle sick and tired of being either just bad enough to not make it, or just good enough to not have a prayer to better than .500.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Dec 12, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would definitely suck to lose every first round playoff game.

It would just be more of the same old, same old just like the last decade.

by twoeightnine on Dec 12, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the ultimate prize is the SB.

but how i would at least love some 10-6 seasons. you know – that whole winning more than losing thing that other teams seem to do. its a novel idea. i think we should give it a try

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by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I could do with some Schottenheimer. Some playoffs/championship games would be better than 0.

by PozDispenser on Dec 12, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our 43 is not that good anyway

We currently need another NT and 2 LBs anyway. Might as well make the change to a 34 now. Just draft a huge NT and move Stroud and Williams to the outside. It would not set us back any further IMO.

by Joe P. on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Make sure you know what you are talking about...

Schottenheimer has won 5 plasyoff games thoughout his coaching carreer

Browns
In 5.5 season with the browns they went to the playoffs 3 times and he won twice (1986, 1987)

Chiefs
In 9 seasons with the Chiefs they went to the playoffs 6 times and won twice (1991 & 1993) and in 1993 went to the AFC championship

Chargers
In 5 seasons with the chargers they went to the playoffs twice but lost each time, once to the Jets and once to the PATs, which we’re at the height of their dynasty

Marty’s record overall is great
21 years experience as HC (with 4 different teams, actually we shouldn’t count the 1y with the redskins because Snyder is an idiot!)
W/L= 200/126 (.613)
Got to 18 playoff games, won 5 and lost 13

Cowher on the other hand has 15 years experience, W/L=149/90 (.623) all with the same team
21 playoff games, won 12 and lost 9

Schottenheimer is a much better coach than you give him credit for. There is one thing he does well and it’s build championship teams!

This guy is so much superior than any

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher is a different breed.. and Wilson might surprise us

I’ve heard the Wilson is gun-shy argument and I can understand how it might prevent him from going after any of the big name GMs because after all the Donahue experiment was a disaster.

But Cowher is very different, he is extremely loyal and his ex-owner who is also extremely loyal loved him dearly. Cowher is a “hot commodity” by any standards and has had a lot of success. I certainly think that if Wilson was to entrust his baby with someone, Cowher would be the guy he’d feel the most comfortable with.

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes!!! Keep the Dream alive.

A call to his old fiends, the Rooney’s, would alleviate some of Ralph’s apprehension. Remember, Cowher is the quintessential “football guy”. Whether he’s the coach/GM or GM. he would be a marked improvement over the current bumbling triumvirate. In addition to more power, the Donahoe angle and other possible benefits, there are things he likes about this team. Edwards is his type of QB. We have a solid running back tandem. And he inexplicably is in man-love with our offensive line. The defense is only a couple of players shy of being a very good unit as well. The pieces are in place for the right leader to excel.

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Dec 12, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is too much

to talk about right now.

Do you have any idea how bad its going to be if this team loses all of their next 3 games? DJ has to be gone I think at that point and the mess someone comes to clean up will be rough…..For the sake of my heart, bills nation, the players, and the ownership I just hope we an stop the bleeding and win a friggn game for once….i need to have hope and see that some guys on this team can still make plays….

That hope goes to the meadowlands on sunday….i hope it comes back with some results

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Dec 12, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

“Too much to talk about right now”? In what way? I’m not following.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 12, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just

am not someone that lies to see change every 2-3 years and I really thought with the regime of Levy/Jauron that this organization would find the promiseland. Its tough for me to wrap my head around the fact that indeed a new change in front office or coaching will happen. I know this is all specualation so we have to take it with a grain of salt but the writing is clearly on the wall I think….You can’t start 5-1 and possibly end 1-9 and keep your job. Its just not reality. And its tough for me to think that anyone else that comes into Buffalo, unless its a proven commodity will do anything but keep us meandering in the woods at 5-9 wins a year and nothing more. I guess it seems like the more and more I want to believe in the steps we are taking forward, the more and more I think we are farther away from anything substantial.

No one can argue that there are far more question marks right now than anyone though there would be back in August. Far more

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Dec 12, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On the positive side..

1) There is a good chance that if Wilson pulls the trigger it will be for substantial change (otherwise why bother?)

2) There are currently two guys on the market that are very similar guys to Parcells (Cowher/Schottenheimer). If he waits a year or two these two will not longer be available

3) There has never been a better time to do it than now given that he is cashing in some extra $$$ from the Toronto Series.

4) Securing the services of a guy like Cowher would increase the value of the team by much more than it would cost to get him. It’s a great business decision given that the team could be on the block at any point in the not too distant future.

MARV – you can’t sit there and tell me that picking up Cowher or Schottenheimer would be a set-back or somehow negative?

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rediculous comment, sure but If Ralph opens his TO bank account...

Why not bring in BOTH Cower and Schottenheimer?! One to coach, one to GM. It’d never work, and never happen, but imagine if they could and would work as one?

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 12, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher or Schottenheimer

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re

no I would not say that would be negative, but that is such an unlikelihood. Again as Brian has stated, look at the evidence. Ralph has not done that in the past. Why, after 49 years of ownership, would he all of sudden spend a boat load of $ and hand over the reigns of “his baby” to a Cowher? I believe it could happen, but I would be shocked. That would mean Ralph would have to remove the Stubborn-bone from his body that all of us have.

Ralph has never showed the commitment to winning that some of his colleagues has shown. He has a system and follows it. But maybe now is the time where he rips up that system, and finally realizes you can’t take the $ with you, so why not die trying to win a Super bowl and bring Buffalo something that their city would be proud of for the rest of time? I hope he has hit that point

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Dec 12, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

prepare to be shocked

It would not surprise me at all. As you said, he can’t bring it with him and why not go out with a bang? He’s got a lot of extra $$ from the Toronto Series so he can afford it. He cannot afford to have a crappy product last last weekend again next year otherwise the deal might be in jeopardy and the whole reason for this deal was to stir up interest for the sale of the team.

It is in his best selfish interest to re-invest into the team and quickly turn it around. What better way than to bring in Cowher?

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is in his best selfish interest to re-invest into the team and quickly turn it around. What better way than to bring in Cowher?

as it stands right now – there is no better way

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by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keysh -

Securing the services of a guy like Cowher would increase the value of the team by much more than it would cost to get him. It’s a great business decision given that the team could be on the block at any point in the not too distant future.

this seems to be along the lines of ralphs thinking – very good point

There has never been a better time to do it than now given that he is cashing in some extra $$$ from the Toronto Series.

another very good point – he’s got the $$ and no excuse because of Toronto

whether he does his remains to be seen – but you cannot deny your two points on this

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by J2 on Dec 12, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but this is all hearsay. It makes sense to us but history is our best predictor for the future and history tells us Ralph hires guys that are largely unproven or guys that will coach the team without having much control. If Cowher is hired, he will want control of personnel decisions not to mention he will have to be paid $6-$8 mill a year and a 5 year deal

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Dec 12, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So?

Wilson won’t be there in 5y, he is looking at tomorrow!

I really think he might surprise a lot of you guys in the upcoming weeks.

by keysh67 on Dec 12, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not expecting any surprises, except maybe some that will tick us off even more!!!!

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 13, 2008 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is PFW credible though?

Here’s an excerpt from their December 5th entry:

"Rogers had been instrumental in facilitating the deal that would bring eight Bills games to the Rogers Centre over the next five years, a deal that was believed to be the first step toward the Bills permanently relocating to the Canadian city.

Jumping the gun a bit early aren’t they eh? I hope they have better sources for the article we’re currently discussing.

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by NJBill on Dec 12, 2008 3:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What's jumping the gun on that?

Rogers brought the Bills to Toronto. Many people believe that this was the first step in the creation of the Toronto Bills.

by twoeightnine on Dec 12, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If there's change...

Please let that change bring back Rusty Jones. This team DESPERATELY needs someone to toughen them up.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 12, 2008 4:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rusty’s dealing with some injury issues himself in Chicago. He’ll be there as long as Lovie Smith is there.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a perfect argument

But you have to agree that he’s sorely (pun intended) missed in these parts (pun intended).

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 12, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't take it with you...

Maybe Ralph is staring that great oblivion in the face and realizing this is his last chance to see the Bills do something. He’s got nothing to lose. His kids don’t want the team, and obviously, he’s not selling because he still loves owning the team. Is it really that ridiculous to think he might loosen the purse strings to bring in a proven guy to lead the team?

Cowher would be freaking awesome.

Hoping…

that means….

darn is it the off season again?

by oompaloompa on Dec 12, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I’ll be there in Fireman Ed’s section Sunday!

by oompaloompa on Dec 12, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The PFW article is probably nothing but bunk

I seriously doubt PFW recieved any insight into the current thinking Wilson has with the future direction of his team. Should his team lose the remaining games on there scheduel and look pathetic in doing so, he might fire Jauron. If his team should win one or more of the remaining games he probably will keep Jauron. His comments in the News do demonstrate that he believes he has a team severly lacking talent. However his recognition and a buck will buy you a cup of coffee.

by gjv on Dec 12, 2008 5:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The big question is really quite simple

Is Ralph looking to go out with a bang in his twilight years, or is he looking to secure the team in good enough shape with enough cap space to make it a very desirable team for sale?

Thats it folks, thats the question, and it is VERY simple in every sense.

If Ralph wants to go out with a bang, I think we see some major shakeups in the organization over this off season, and may have new staff and coaches to learn about.

If Ralph wants to keep this team somewhat competetive to make it a sellable product, DJ and Co. will be here till Ralph dies, plain and simple. DJ is an older coach, may not want to coach anymore after his time with the Bills so makes a perfect caretaker till the sale. Why? Becuase any new owner will clean house and restart from the bottom up, though some guys like Modrak and Guy, and Brandon will hang around, alot of others will go. Right now we have some good young talent and that makes for a good incentive in a sale.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Dec 12, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why I think we're going to get Cowher

I don’t know why the idea of Cowher has been shot down around here so much. We are team that hasn’t won anything in a decade. A DECADE. While the Bengals of the 90s were terrible for a decade the Bills of the 00s have been mediocre for a decade.

Wasn’t the purpose of the Toronto game to give the team extra cash to play with. Isn’t Wilson getting old in a hurry? So let’s add it up. He’s got a little time to spend a lotta cash and he’s got one a sure fire hall of fame coach with fire that Jauron can’t touch considering coming back. His current staff has utterly collapsed but hes got a young team. I think its worth $6 million and I’m sure Wilson does too.

Cowher likes control of his team, thats a reason everyone uses to put down the idea of him coming to Buffalo. Well Cowher would have plenty of clay to play with in Buffalo, especially on the field which is what a guy like Cowher loves. If we pay him $6 million to mold a team of talented youngsters, in a blue collar football town that is dying to win, and a place where the man who does it will become football lore, in a cold weather outdoor location you REALLY DONT THINK COWHER WOULD WANT THAT JOB?

I think it is far more a possiblity than you all realize and if its legal, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bills already were testing him out with phone calls or what not.

Forget the article, its possible

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 12, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If we get Cowher,

I will go over to Brian’s house and play Barbies! Ha Ha…..sorry man…I couldn’t resist. Besides, I am still mad at you for jumping off my bandwagon :-)

by Joe P. on Dec 12, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

wait wait…which bandwagon?

Also if we get Cowher we’re going over the Brian’s house and getting him blacked out drunk since he seems unable or willing to do it himself!

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 12, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In a different thread

Brian said he was stepping off my bandwagon. I am not sure which bandwagon it was, but apparently there were hookers on it.

by Joe P. on Dec 12, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HA

If that is the case then I’m hoping right back on

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by poz on Dec 13, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

wait wait…which bandwagon?

Also if we get Cowher we’re going over the Brian’s house and getting him blacked out drunk since he seems unable or willing to do it himself!

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 12, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

wait wait…which bandwagon? you have many of them

Also if we get Cowher we’re going over to Brian’s house and getting him blacked out drunk since he seems unable or willing to do it himself!

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 12, 2008 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m holding you to that, Joe. And the bandwagon I jumped off of was only publicly… I’m really still a perv, just like you. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

all this talk about us getting cowher has me salivating like a dog next to some steak and if you add the fact that we could somehow lure Marty over here as our GM next year couldn’t come fast enough!

by pasaluki on Dec 12, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zoinks.... and Away

Anyone want to talk draft while we’re at it?

If there is a coaching change imminent… Cowher and Schottenheimer are the obvious prospects.

CIN, CLE, HOU, KC, OAK, PHI, DET, MIN, STL, SF, and SEA (maybe SD as well) are all teams that may be competing for coaching services next season. Are any of those places more appealing than Buffalo? Maybe… I remember when Buffalo was looking for coaches 3 years ago I was crushed we went with Jauron over Mike Sherman. Then Jauron won me over (sort of) with his impeccable drafting. Everyone just needs to remember that there’s a lot that’s going to happen in the next 2 months or so and we need not to get our hopes up because it will hurt when the cards don’t necessarily fall right.

And if Mr. Wilson is serious about landing Bill Cowher, he’d better be doing something about it soon… because there are going to be some serious dollars thrown at the man to lure him out of being a retired coaching legend.

As an aside, some criticized Schotty for losing in the first round of the playoffs every year… well…. it’s pretty much a consensus that Marv Levy was a great coach… a little hypocrisy there?

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by ForeignArrow on Dec 12, 2008 7:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Organizational Shakeup

Since we are dreaming, has anybody considered Charlie Casserly for GM with Cowher as Coach?

by BillsnBravesFan on Dec 12, 2008 9:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My line of thinking is that if the football gods blessed us with Cowher, there’d be no GM. Cowher would assume control, and the front office folks we have right now would be his minions. That’s the type of power he’s looking for – if, in fact, he’s looking at all – and we can give it to him without the “GM” title he’d need to have for equal power in other places.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

God this sux

We can speculate all we want, but we know 85% of the problem of tanking our season is Turk Schoenert. I never thought I’d yearn for the days of Steve Fairchild, but all least he was commited to feeding Marshawn the rock rather than panicking every time we’re down 7 points or more and at any point in the game and start throwing out of the shotgun 3 downs in a row despite having only 1-2 consistent threats in the passing game. He’s pathetic, and the sad thing is he’s done most of what he said he was going to do: throwing to the TE’s and RBs and getting the ball to Lee (early on). He then would quickly go back into his cowardly hidey-hole only to call plays like I do when I’m down on Madden.

Does anyone on this team honestly think that Matt Ryan would be doing as well as, let alone any better than, Trent Edwards with Turk’s mind-numbing playcalling, and the ironic thing is that our old pal Mularkey is calling the plays. If they find the right coach/system/playcalling for Trent, he will be a great QB and take that to the bank, even if we can’t facilitate that in Buffalo and he does it somewhere else.

Also, I believe our defense has actually played inspired football in this horrible stretch of games (props to Fewell) despite losing our best players and almost every defensive position for varying but all significant lengths of time. They’ve been put in horrendous positions time and time again from bad turnovers and kept the score absurdly close in all of these games (10 points and 195 total yards against San Fran).

Obviously we’ll have a new OC next year, but I’m sorry but the talent is there at all the most key positions. We just need the proper puppetmaster to put it all together. I don’t know who that is, but we need to get in on the Dungy/Parcells/Belicheat coaching trees in order to get over the top. Sorry, for the rant, but this is the only place I get to get things off my chest that make me a saaaaaaddd panda on a daily basis when I live in STL, MO. (Except of course from our local Billbackers chapter.) I’d love to get some thoughts from you on all this Brian, and of course whomever else.

by live6453 on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Draft lineman and more lineman

I recently looked at the Carolina Panthers drafts for the past 5 years. They have drafted six offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds. Of those, at least 4 are starting. Jeff Otah is a stud rookie from Pitt and they also have Pro Bowler Jordan Gross at the other tackle. Is it any wonder that they are winning with a 1-2 running punch of Jonathan Steward and DeAngelo Williams? While Jake Delhomme has struggled. They also have drafted defensive lineman like Julius Peppers, etc. Wake up Bills and Buffalo fans. You will never win until you draft good lineman on both sides of the ball, that has now been proven with our obsession for secondary players – Clueless front office that should be scouting basketball games!

by BuffaloWhiner on Dec 13, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher staying in NC

I live in Raleigh, Bill Cowher attended Nc-State and wants to spend more time with his family and daighters. He was rumored to be a candidate for the NC-State job, but turned that down. Last I heard, he might be going to Cleveland if he decides to get back into coaching, but he likes his gig on the pregame show. Shottenheimer is also a candidate to be rumored for the Cleveland job. I have not heard of any candidates for the Bills job, but why not Mariucci? Former Niners coach. There is no way a big name candidate will coach in Buffalo, possibly Shottenheimer if he doesn’t go to Cleveland.

by BuffaloWhiner on Dec 13, 2008 10:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, no way to Steve Mariucci. NO. WAY. He’s a part of the same crap offensive philosophy we’re employing now; he didn’t do anything special in San Francisco, and he flopped in Detroit. No. No thank you. Next.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adding another rope in the bridge to mediocrity between Detroit and Buffalo would be a HUGE mistake.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 13, 2008 2:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I assume you’re referencing Mariucci… right?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another source

PFT has a post about this as well.

by fletcherjd on Dec 13, 2008 8:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Testing

trying to get signature to work

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by Joe P. on Dec 15, 2008 9:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and it did.

"If you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter."

by Joe P. on Dec 15, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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