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J.P. Losman or Gibran Hamdan?

A lot of posts here have brought up whether J.P. Losman or Gibran Hamdan should start this week. (I think everyone agrees Trent Edwards should start if he is physically capable.) It's an interesting question so I decided to put up a thread to give everyone a place to contribute their thoughts.

Losman is gone approximately 12 seconds after the final gun of the season-ending Patriots game. He's auditioning for other teams, which should give him plenty of motivation to do his best. Some have used this fact as a knock on the guy - why let him try out for other teams when Buffalo can give reps to the possible second stringer for next season? I don't see it that way. In the broader context, Buffalo has an opportunity to set the tone for future free agent departures. To wit, the Bills won't screw you just because you're leaving at the end of the season. Losman played the (mind) game. He kept his mouth shut and took his benching like a man (or terrorist bear if you prefer). He did what back-ups are supposed to do - stay quiet and ready - so he's held up his end. Other players around the league will see that and also see how Buffalo responds to him. As others have pointed out, it's hard enough to get free agents to sign in Buffalo. Why make it harder by gaining a reputation for screwing guys on their way out?

Hamdan is a complete unknown. He's the "heir apparent" to the #2 QB slot, a slot that is likely to see significant and meaningful playing time given Edwards' injury history. Are three games (assuming Edwards doesn't return this season) really enough of a yardstick to preclude Buffalo from using a draft choice on a QB to at least push Hamdan, if not Edwards?

The only way to know what Hamdan has to offer is to play him, which means screwing J.P. and sending a bad message to free agents. Does possibly saving a draft choice outweigh possible negative perceptions by future free agents? What say you?

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Who should start assuming Edwards can't?
Losman. Loyalty matters.
81 votes
Hamdan. Young guys need reps.
159 votes

240 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted for Losman, by the way.

I just don’t think a draft choice—likely a mid rounder—is worth the risk of being viewed negatively by free agents for the entirety of Ralph Wilson’s life.

by Ron From NM on Dec 13, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

I'm confused

what mid round draft choice are you referring to? One to be used on a QB? If that’s the case, what does that have to do w/Losman? Hamdan would be played to see if he’s worth keeping as a 3rd QB next year, we need to get a veteran that can come in and play if necessary.

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 14, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

If Hamdan played and played really well would the Bills use a mid round draft pick on a QB? Or, would the Bills bring in a journeyman and/or use a late rounder?

If Hamdan isn’t capable of starting what’s the point of keeping him on the roster year after year? Why not use the roster spot for another position? The Bills have to see something in Hamdan that tells them that he can, if necessary, at least fill in for The Guy….but they won’t know until he actually gets some game time against people playing for playoff spots—Jets, Broncos, Patriots.

by Ron From NM on Dec 14, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Points Ron,

but I wonder if players would really think of it that way. After all, it is not like Loseman has not already had several years and a few games this year to show what he can do. In this case, would players around the NFL really think Loseman didn’t get enough chances? WWJD is not the appropriate question here. A better one might be, “What would the Pats do?” I know what they did with Bledsoe, Law, Milloy, etc. They did what was best for the team. With every game Cassel plays, I bet Brady sweats a little more. The Pats don’t have any problem getting top FAs to play for them, and it is not because of how loyal or fair the Pats organization is to its players. It is because they are competitive and are committed to winning every season. If Buffalo showed the same, the FAs would come.

So, applying that logic to the Bills situation, why would you not play Hamdan. We don’t even know if this guy is a good 3rd string let alone a good backup. We need to get a good look at what he can do. I believe we need to bring in a Vet and draft a QB, maybe as early as the 2nd round depending on how Edwards looks in the last two games. I believe I am in the minority right now.

by Joe P. on Dec 13, 2008 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Yikes

2nd round? The Edwards honeymoon is already over for you huh? I hope the marriage still has a chance though! Or are you ready to start testing those waters again Joe

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 13, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

NO....that would be a worst case senario where Edwards really stinks it up to finish the year

and if someone pretty good falls out of the 1st or 2nd round, kind of like Rodgers did when Green Bay took him.

by Joe P. on Dec 13, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say the honeymoon IS over

Edwards isn’t a rookie anymore, even with the tortured logic of adding games from two seasons to get to 16 total. He’s got to produce. He needs to demonstrate that he can be effective against 7-8 man coverage schemes and throw in bad weather. I’m not saying that he can’t do either—just that he hasn’t yet shown that he can.

by Ron From NM on Dec 13, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not over yet,

but we are starting to pack our bags to go home. I am very comfortable giving Edwards another year. I just want to have a “back-up” plan in place for next season if Edwards tanks it.

by Joe P. on Dec 13, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen, Ron!

“The Pats don’t have any problem getting top FAs to play for them, and it is not because of how loyal or fair the Pats organization is to its players. It is because they are competitive and are committed to winning every season. If Buffalo showed the same, the FAs would come.”

ABSOLUTELY! it is the organization and the owner, not Western NY!!
I agree, they should draft a QB and bring in a Veteran backup ( OR see McNabb comment to the right)

Play Hamdan! Kick JP Loserman to the curb. I had a front row seat to that debacle last weekend.

by dloroch on Dec 18, 2008 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think if Trent is healthy, he needs to play, lets get that out of the way now

Next, we should give Hamdan a shot right away. Losman as Joe P. noted above has had several chances to get teams to notice him and see how he plays. As we all have seen, the JP of 2006-2007 is still there in 2008, and I MUST assume all 31 other teams can see that as well.

I say we give Hamdan 3 games and see what he does if Trent won’t be back for the year. Many players will understand the situation with JP, and that will likely not factor in at all in their decision to come here. They know JP had his shots and flunked them, and that the Bills as an organization must see what they got in Gibran. I say start Hambone if Trent can’t go tomorrow.

Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?

by WABillsfan on Dec 13, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

losman.

although i would like to see what hamdan has to offer, i agree with you on the fact losman is going to give his all, seeing this is his tryout. so i think he gives us the best chance to win out there as where hamdan everything is completely unknown. i met him, and he’s a nice dude and trent’s good buddy, but that doesn’t warrant him to start.

obviously, if edwards is healthy, start him. he is the qb of this franchise at least for the immediate future.

by BenAllen on Dec 13, 2008 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve got a lot to say on this one. :)

  1. - Loyalty does matter, and Losman has been a good team player this year.
  2. - I don’t know where this idea that Hamdan is the “heir apparent” came from, but it’s completely bunk if Dick Jauron is fired. He’s the only coach in the league who would have faith in Gibran Hamdan as his backup.
  3. - Edwards will play by season’s end. He’s not that hurt, and he needs the experience. If he can go, he’ll go. Trent’s not mailing it in, and neither are the coaches.
  4. - The Bills, believe it or not, are still trying to win games, and Losman gives them the best chance of doing so out of the #2 slot.
  5. - Seriously? Gibran Hamdan?
  6. - Hamdan’s already taken a handful of reps with the first team this week, so I’m not going to be shocked if he sees some playing time. Starting is an entirely different animal.

So obviously, I went with Losman. I like Hamdan – in particular his relationship with our starter – but that’s about as far as my like goes. As bad as Losman has been, I’d rather watch him suck than Gibran suck.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2008 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

what about loyalty to Hamdan

Ok, first I’m laughing as I type this but I think there is something to it. If Hamdan is only a Jauron specialty, don’t we owe it to him, to give him a chance to prove to other teams he can be a backup?

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 13, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamdan's never played

Losman is a former first rounder who was, for a brief time, the face of the franchise. Hamdan, on the other hand, is a nice story who has never seen significant action. The Bills haven’t invested a lot in him in terms of money or draft choices.

by Ron From NM on Dec 13, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

When is the last time you saw Hamdan play? Maybe he has improved

1. NFL – No F@$&ing Loyalty. Fans are loyal. By and large, owners, coaches, and players are not.

2. I have never heard of any QB being the heir apparent to the #2 QB position, but seeing as he is the #3, he should be able to play or he shouldn’t even be on the roster. None of us know for sure if he would be better or worse than Loseman. If he is worse, then that is pretty bad. Why even take up a roster spot if he can’t play?

3. Agreed. Players and coaches know their jobs are at stake.

4. I believe it….and it makes me sad because during this slide, we have probably been getting our coaches’ best effort.

5. It is not like we have another choice. We know JP sucks.

6. OK, give JP the first quarter. Then at the beginning of the 2nd and the Jets have scored a field goal, you know…when we are out of the game, put Hamdan in!

by Joe P. on Dec 13, 2008 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo will go into camp with their QB depth chart as follows:
1. Edwards
2. Hamdan
3. Someone else draft/free agent
4. Someone else with no shot of making the team
5. Possibly someone else with no shot of making the team

That makes Hamdan the heir apparent to the #2 role. He might not keep it past the 1st day of camp, particularly if a new coach comes to town. With that said, he’s got a rapport with the team that no other QB (besides Edwards and a departed Losman) has.

Want a scary scenario? Jauron doesn’t get axed, Losman can’t find a team and Buffalo re-signs him for vet minimum.

by Ron From NM on Dec 13, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No way....Loseman will go back to Cali and sell cars, be an underwear model,

or maybe star in a low budget adult film called “Buffalo Hump”.

by Joe P. on Dec 13, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

or “Buffalo ’69”, “Buffalo Nipple” (like nickel), or “Chicken Wings Dipped in……”

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 14, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

My counter

Very simple,

-Loyal?? To a guy who demanded a trade? No.

-J.P. Losman has been the QB for the last 6 quarters of Buffalo Bills football and tallied 6 points. We know J.P. can’t get it done, maybe Hamdan can. The only way Hamdan can do worse then J.P. is to get shut out.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Dec 13, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Demand?

He asked for a trade. The Bills told him to forget it. Losman sucked it up and kept his mouth shut. That’s not what I would call a demand. He could have tried the Chad Johnson or TO route but he didn’t.

by Ron From NM on Dec 14, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

he doesnt have the same amount of pull as those folks do......

they have actually contributed something useful to their teams

PIPE DREAM: Jim Harbaugh for the Bills next head coach.

by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 14, 2008 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Loyal?? To a guy who demanded a trade? No.

To a guy who’s worked hard and kept his mouth shut in a tough situation? Certainly.

We know J.P. can’t get it done, maybe Hamdan can. The only way Hamdan can do worse then J.P. is to get shut out.

Do you really want to test that theory? Losman still gives the Bills the best chance to win between their two backups.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This season is dead. Does it matter if Losman supposedly gives us a better chance to win even though he can’t put more than 3 points on the board? I’d rather see if Hamdan is worth holding a roster spot for next year. I don’t want him as a #2, but I want to see if he should be kept as the 3rd again….Plus, give the guy a chance, he’s been here working his tail off too

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 14, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Dick Jauron doesn’t think the season is dead, and wasn’t it you saying that you’d like to end the season on a winning note? Losman gives us the best chance to do that. Like I said, we’ll probably see Hamdan today, but starting #10 is an entirely different animal.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the season is dead already.

Even if they ran the next three, I don’t think it would mean the season ended on a good note. The stink from the last two months is much too much to overcome any sort of prosperity from now until the 28th.

by krytime on Dec 14, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

All Buffalo has to play for is a non-losing season...

…to the detriment of the draft position. Personally, I’m hoping the Bills lose 3 straight close games that give me a lot to cheer about while they are still in doubt.

by Ron From NM on Dec 14, 2008 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If they do lose all 3 (highly likely), I just don’t want to watch them get embarrassed. Some hard fought, well played losses wouldn’t be bad. I want this season to end with up at least playing pretty well, even if the wins don’t come. I don’t want three more games like the last 2, unless that means Jauron is gone….

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 14, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If we win, it won’t be due to the QB’s, that’s for sure.

I never said start the guy and play him the entire game. I want to see him get some snaps, some consecutive series or something….

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 14, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, seriously

Why do we have to be loyal to this clown?

Why would these next couple of games convince any team that Losman is even a mediocre QB? There’s enough film on him and his putrid play…

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 14, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Why not let both play?

Give Losman at least the first half, since he give the Bills a better chance to win. Then let Hamdan play for part of the second half unless it’s a nailbiter.

As for using a draft pick to push Hamdan, I’m not a big fan of using draft picks to push backups who you hope will never get on the field. I’d rather use a pick to push Edwards.

by rexob on Dec 13, 2008 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Losman gives us the bst chance

He is extremely motivated to play well so I think he gives us the best chance. I also agree with you Brian that JP has acted professionally with his benching and has always been ready so he deserves to start.

Hamdan on the other hand will be with the team for a few more years so there’s no rush. I certainly don’t think that sending him out to the wolves is a good idea, the JETs and the PATs are playing for their playoff survivals so it won’t be a walk in the park for whoever is in there. In my opinion we should be bringing in a veteran QB (Harrington, Batch, Ramsay) during the off season and have Hamdan compete for #2. There is no rush.

by keysh67 on Dec 14, 2008 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

By playing JP the Bills could spark interest from other teams.

I just want to let everyone know that JP is really a guy of great character. He is actively involved in the community, he didn’t complain about getting benched, and he has been a great leader. I understand that he was not able to thrive with the Bills, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to another franchise and helped them win.

The Bills should start JP because the coaches feels he gives the team the best chance to win.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 14, 2008 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

He didn’t complain about being benched….to the media. How do you know he wasn’t a total herb around his team?

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 14, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Because other players on the team, including trent edwards, have said that JP has handled himself like a professional. I watch every interview on buffalobills.com, so what I just said is credible.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 14, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Spark interest from other teams?

As in trade interest? He’s a UFA, unless Buffalo wants to pay him an ungodly amount of money (franchise tag) to ride the pine.

by Ron From NM on Dec 14, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yea, good point. I forgot he is an "un"restricted free agent.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 14, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is simple. JP has to start because he gives this team a better chance to win than Hamden does.

I can understand that people want to see Hamden play because they are either really, really down on Losman, curious about Hamden or whatever, but anyone who actually thinks that Gibran gives this team a better chance to win than Losman is overthinking the situation.

If I believed that Hamden had ANY chance to be a succesful NFL QB, this situation would look very different to me. The only reason that Hamden is on this roster is because he is buddies with Trent and because he outplayed the useless Matt Baker and the team kept 3 QBs. He won’t be the number 2 next year and will probably only be on the roster if Jauron is still the coach or if Trent throws a hissy fit to keep his best friend on the team, on the team.

by kaisertown on Dec 14, 2008 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

I just realized that I mispelled Hamdan’s name. My bad, I hate when people do stuff like that.

And another thing, since when is Hamdan a young player? He turns 28 years old in a couple months. He was part of the 2003 draft. You know, the 2003 draft where Carson Palmer went first overall and the Bills drafted Willis McGahee. There are only 17 players on the Bills roster who are older than Gibran.

by kaisertown on Dec 14, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually since you did it so consistantly, it was pretty funny. Plus I know that you know your stuff. What is annoying is when some new poster shows up and just butchers somebody’s name and then expects people to take his post seriously. Not proofreading can make the smartest posts look pretty dumb.

by kaisertown on Dec 14, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The poll is a bit surprising

2-3 in favor of Hamdan….fans must REALLY hate Losman.

by Ron From NM on Dec 14, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

Everyone knows the season is done

The fact we have not seen Hamdan play provides fans with a small amount of excitement to see what he can do, thus a reason to watch the game beyond the first Jests score.

by Joe P. on Dec 14, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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