Fateful Bills play call is literally unfathomable
Usually, when I do my little blogging thing on Monday mornings, I come in here and try to bring perspective as well as flesh out some talking points. I've had a night to sleep on the Buffalo Bills' latest debacle, and this morning, I can only offer half of the usual formula.
See that young man at the top left of this post? His name is Marshawn Lynch, Bills coaches. He is the hardest-working offensive player that has ever donned a Bills uniform; I'm only 23 years old, and I'm completely comfortable making that statement. Lynch has now played 27 games for this organization, and he's worn his heart on his sleeve each and every time he's taken the field. He is, quite simply, the best player on this Bills team, the most valuable player on this Bills team, and the most consistent and dependable force on this Bills team.
So when I tried to sleep on it and get some perspective on exactly why Buffalo's coaching staff decided it would be more prudent to throw a rollout pass from J.P. Losman to Corey McIntyre as we were icing a win over handing a win to the New York Jets, I failed miserably. Corey McIntyre has been with the team for half a season; Losman is the much-maligned backup quarterback that's mercifully two games away from ending his affiliation with this organization. There's simply no way to sanely fathom why a pass to Corey McIntyre is EVER a more appealing option than handing the ball to "Beast Mode". Give it to the guy who wants to win more than any other player on this team, and let him win the game for you.
Calling that play when it was called is simply over-thinking the situation - and that's on Dick Jauron, which he publicly admitted. More importantly, it's a gigantic middle finger to Lynch, who has exploded for 490 yards (at 5.3 yards per rush!) over the past five games yet has been repeatedly ignored in an eight-game stretch that has seen the Bills go 1-7. Lynch is one of the few bright spots on this team, and yesterday, Buffalo's coaches psychologically slapped the young man across the face. I can't fathom how it feels to be Marshawn Lynch this morning.
As I continue to shake my head, here's what other folks are saying about yesterday's bag of fun:
Guess what? Buffalo's offensive line blocked the crap out of Kris Jenkins yesterday. Jenkins man-handled the Bills in our Week 9 loss to the Bretts, but was held to just two tackles as the Bills rushed for 187 yards - at well over 5 yards per rush - yesterday. Hell, even Keith Ellison averaged 6 yards per rush! Tell me again why a pass to Corey McIntyre is a desirable play?
Jerry Sullivan is back where we all knew he'd be, once again calling for Dick Jauron's head. He asks us how much more of this we can endure; I ask how many times he can write the same article. I'm not arguing the sentiment, just the repetition. Give us more Ralph Wilson quotes, Jerry!
Reading J.P. Losman's post-game quotes, it could not be more apparent that the man is desperately trying to uphold his image as his unrestricted free agency looms:
"Certain athletes get this far in their career because they're able to somehow put these games behind them, move on and let's go to the next one. And if you're given another opportunity, you go in there and show them that you have learned from your mistakes. So as a player you just kind of ... can't wait to go out there and show them that you can go in there and actually do this job. That's how the mind-set has to be."
He then went on to describe a football as "funny shaped". So be it. Good riddance, Mr. Losman.
Sal Maiorana tries to be funny - and I can hardly blame him for the attempt - but it ain't working.
I've got to give props to Dick Jauron for taking the blame on the final call, especially after Turk Schonert quickly blamed Losman and Losman said he needed to "hold on to the ball there". That's about all in the way of props I'm going to give Dick Jauron this morning. By the way, the latest on his coaching situation: according to Adam Schefter of NFL.com, Jauron has signed a three-year deal as of Week 8, and if he were to be fired, Ralph Wilson would be monetarily on the hook for those three years. You be the judge about what that means for Jauron's future here.
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I don't know
I thought it wasn’t a horrible play call.
I watch the play probably 6 times and it was Peters fault – but also Losman’s for not holding onto the ball.
I guess I just don’t understand why everyone is so mad about that play action. I’ve seen plenty of teams do the same thing in the same situation right before the 2:00 warning. they were actually playing to win the game right there – isn’t that what we all have been clamoring for?
Plus they had run at least 5 straight runs prior to that if I remember correct (anyone?) and they had 8 guys in the box.
I just don’t think they should go completely into their shell and go BOOM with the punt.
our defense hadn’t played all that great regardless so them getting into FG position would have been very likely for the Jets.
i realize everyone’s pissed – but if you look at the play sequence during THIS game it wasn’t a horrible call.
plus as Ron pointed out – we have a much better draft position.
plus nobody can say that the game was boring. it was one of the more exciting games we’ve seen all year. tons of fun things going on
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 8:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plus they had run at least 5 straight runs prior to that if I remember correct (anyone?) and they had 8 guys in the box.
They had 8 in the box the previous five runs, too, and the Bills were STILL gashing them. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
I just don’t think they should go completely into their shell and go BOOM with the punt.
I’m not sure taking advantage of a dominant running game can ever be considered “going into their shell”. We were kicking the crap out of the Jets in the trenches.
our defense hadn’t played all that great regardless so them getting into FG position would have been very likely for the Jets.
Our defense had held the Jets to 3 points in the second half. They’d just forced the amazing Brett Favre into a 3-and-out.
i realize everyone’s pissed – but if you look at the play sequence during THIS game it wasn’t a horrible call.
Not horrible, just ill-timed and over-thinking. You’re running for over 5 yards a carry, and Marshawn Lynch is your best player. I’m only passing there if the Jets have 11 in the box.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 15, 2008 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
kool – i still had no problem with it.
again – as mine isn’t popular – but its still mine – i had zero issues with that call
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not one – sorry but I don’t like going into a shell and for the circumstances.
yes I had ABSOLUTELY ZERO ISSUES WITH THE PLAYACTION CALL
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but if it was under 2:00 – i would have issues with the call. or if there was 2:20 left.
not under those circumstances – if there was a time to do it – that was the time.
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Many Factors to Consider in the Fateful Call
J2, there are many factors to consider in the call to which you are alluding…1) Risk Vs. Reward. JP has a history of fumbling, which in conjunction with his utter lack of pocket presence exacerbated the gamble in that situation…2) There was not 2:20 on the clock, there was 2:06…3) A run takes you to the 2 minute warning, an incomplete pass leaves 1 more play to the 2 minute warning, leaving the Jets one more play for a comeback had they needed it…To that fateful point in time, JP had already had 2 funbles, 2 interceptions and one sack…Marshawn had run flawlessly and had averaged over 6 yards per carry…4) JP averaged 3.05 yards per pass attempt…5)The down and distance were 2nd and five from our own 27…If we do not get the first on one run play, we have another shot inside the two minute warning which will run the clock and force the Jets to burn their second time out of the half…6) Moornan had been booming his punts all day…Two downed on the Jets 3 yard line…Had we not achieved a first down on two running plays, we would have burned clock on the second run (two minute timeout would have precluded burning more than 6 seconds likely on the first run…However, in the event we had not gotten a first down with two Marshawn runs a Moornan punt from the 30 would likely have landed between the Jets 10-5 yard line, where they would be stuck with a little less than 1 minute and 1 or no timeouts…In consideration of all the positives of running with regard to down, distance, 2 chances to pick up 5 yards and burn clock, make the Jets burn timeouts, 4 point lead (precludes Jets trying a field goal), JP’s propensity for fumbling, Marshawn’s sure hands along with his big day, there was absolutely no sense in Jauron’s ridiculous call…7) And if you are going to make that call, how about having the pass go to Fred Jackson or a slant or out pattern to Josh Reed…That was an abysmal call!
by BillsnBravesFan on Dec 15, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very good points – well thought out.
but I still don’t think it was a horrible call. sorry
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks J2
J2, thank you for your comment on my comments…Had Jauron’s play worked, all involved would have been heroes…Unfortunately said play resulted in the worst possible case scenario for our side…As I move on from yesterday’s loss and the debacle of a once promising 2008 season, I think the only more disparaging news I could hear in the wake of yesterday’s loss is that Jauron signed his contract extension after the game…J2, Happy Holidays!
by BillsnBravesFan on Dec 15, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
J2, I won’t try to convince you.
But I will say, I wouldn’t hire you as my HC or OC.
by thefourwinds on Dec 16, 2008 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm what?
Going into a shell? Lynch average more than 6 yards a carry yesterday. JP averaged 3.5 per pass attempt. That’s the exact opposite of going into a shell.
by twoeightnine on Dec 15, 2008 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm – maybe our definitions are different
i call going into a shell running or passing more than 5 times in a row when the defense knows what is coming.
that was the perfect time for playaction – wow – i really don’t understand everyone. maybe i’m the weird one. but for real
playaction call – 5 seconds from the 2 min warning after 5 straight runs? and thats a bad play call? i guess i’m just lost in this whole football thing.
bad play by losman and peters yes – but not a bad play call. come on people. really? am i really that wrong?
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
going in to a shell
If you call rushing the ball down their throats all day long going in to a shell….. we should have continued to stay within our shell
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 15, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t blame them for making that call, thats one thing. But it sounds like your saying that they actually made the best possible call.
by Zumone on Dec 15, 2008 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not at all – never and if i came across that way i’m sorry.
but as far as the call – i had no issues at all.
obviously a run is preferred – that much is obvious i would think. but to say its a horrible call just doesn’t make sense to me
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t be sorry. I’m just saying if you prefer run over pass, you must have at least some small issue with the call. Not a horrible call? How about just plain bad? Either way, it was not good.
Of course if Losman makes the play or even throws incomplete, its a different argument. But that wouldn’t be the first time, execution covered up poor play-calling. I think Edwards demonstrated this in hindsight at the beginning of the season; no one was complaining about Turk’s play-calling when Edwards was playing lights-out.
by Zumone on Dec 15, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But that wouldn’t be the first time, execution covered up poor play-calling
sometimes it seems to me that execution is screwing up the play calling.
maybe thats why Fairchild wouldn’t let Losman do anything – because he knows he cant
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my problem with the call
The person they asked to execute it. Put the ball in in the hands of your proven playmaker. (Lynch)
Not a proven turnover machine. (JP)
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 15, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See this is where i differ.
I dont disagree with you about the turnover machine – actually quite the opposite.
why in the world is JP in there? season is over – he’s gone after next year – why isn’t Hamdan getting reps if he’s going to be on our team next year.
This has been my issue with DJ and our front office for a while – they are not good talent evaluators.
i have no idea why they trust JP at ALL
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more...
why in the world is JP in there? season is over – he’s gone after next year – why isn’t Hamdan getting reps if he’s going to be on our team next year
This point illustrates the larger issue at hand.
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 15, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and THAT is my problem with the Bills.
not a playaction call when the season is already over at the end of a meaningless game.
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still didn't agree with the call...
Especially given all of the intangibles, but hindsight is truly 20/20.
If the play is made…they look like geniuses. Ahhhh…he fickle fans we are…
Why were we allowing JP to “attempt” to make his highlight reel when we all know he is not going to be here next year. Obviously they have zero confidence in Hamdam. That is the only reason I could fathom that JP was in that game.
I think DJ was trying to save his own job (thinking that JP gave them a better chance to win) or “build up some momentum for next year” or some crap like that. I’ve stated this before, but I get the impression that DJ and Turk are always trying to outsmart the other team, or are constantly over thinking the play.
I understand the call, but I didn’t like it when I saw it developing, and of course (hindsight again) I hated the outcome.
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 15, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why were we allowing JP to "attempt" to make his highlight reel when we all know he is not going to be here next year.
its completely unacceptable that he’s in there. and your right….i think it was to try and save DJ’s job.
maybe we should all be thanking Losman instead of hating on him..lol
I understand the call
exactly – would I have run? yes – but to say its horrendous or unfathomable is kind of going over the top.
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow. I do have a problem with it. big time. Even if it works, it wasn’t initially the correct call.
by buffaloboy90 on Dec 15, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could not have said it better myself
Plus I’d add that it is insulting to the O-Line and Lynch to not give him the opportunity to finish the game for you.
Plus, lets keep in mind that even if we ran the ball twice and then had to punt it, they would have had very little time left. the worse that would have happened was that they got into field goal range, which was far from a guarantee but they would not have been win it, just tie it.
There is no way that this could ever be considered a good decision.
by keysh67 on Dec 15, 2008 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was obvious Jauron had signed
and the Bills – in the midst of a horrible streak of games – did not want to announce it. The timing wasn’t exactly too good! If he HADN’T signed, they would have denied it weeks ago to make themselves look smarter (“No, of course not; we don’t discuss coaching extensions until after the season.”)
Props for Jauron, however, for taking the blame on the call. My guess is that he’s trying to take the heat off others. The man has class, even if he’s not the best head coach in the world. He and Turk share the blame, along with the infamous Jason Peters, who blew the block which was directly responsible for the hit on Losman, and to J.P. for doing what he does best – screw up a game.
Finally, making the statement than Lynch “is the hardest-working player that ever donned a Bills uniform” is ludicrous and an insult to hundreds of ex-Bills who played their guts out long before you were even born. Why do young people all think that sports began when they started watching it? The Bills – like all teams – have had some incredibly tough and determined players who left everything out on the field when they played. Do not soil their legacies.
by ccthemovieman on Dec 15, 2008 9:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Finally, making the statement than Lynch "is the hardest-working player that ever donned a Bills uniform" is ludicrous and an insult to hundreds of ex-Bills who played their guts out long before you were even born. Why do young people all think that sports began when they started watching it? The Bills – like all teams – have had some incredibly tough and determined players who left everything out on the field when they played. Do not soil their legacies.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking I’m some naive youth who has been a Bills fan for four years. My Dad has been a fan of this team since they were conceived. I know more than my fair share of Bills history. I’m not “soiling the legacies” of all of those players. There are a lot of guys who have worn the Bills uniform and played hard, and I’ve loved them all. Marshawn plays with the most attitude that I’ve ever seen an offensive player for the Bills employ. He never takes a play off. Please don’t soil my intelligence just because I’m 23. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 15, 2008 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask ex-Bills
from the ’60s, ’70s, ’80s and ’90s about the players “who never took a play off.” There have been many. Marshawn is the latest of that proud group.
I would have challenged your statement regardless of your age, but you brought it up in your thread. Most sports fans aren’t interested in history and only know what they’ve seen on TV. Read as much as you can about athletes from the past because you’ll get some eye-opening, fantastic, often-funny and inspiring stories about some amazing athletes.
If pro football is your favorite sport, read about the guys who played in the NFL in the 1950s; it was just brutal With small paychecks,and little job security, some of the them played with broken limbs. Talk about “never taking a play off!”
by ccthemovieman on Dec 15, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pro football is, in fact, my favorite sport, and I’ve read some of those books you described. Guys like Mike Stratton, Tom Sestak, et al were very clearly badass. I see Lynch in that mold; obviously, he just plays in a very different era in terms of technology and hype surrounding the league. I don’t think a guy should be knocked points because of the state of the league; Lynch is as tough or tougher than every other blue-collared Bills player in my book.
And for the record, my original intent was to quantify the statement with offensive player, not overall. Buffalo’s had some outstanding defenders who played in the early era; I mentioned two of them above, and there were many more. I’ve never seen an offensive player play as tough as Lynch does; the only one I can compare him to is Kelly. Neither would quit.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 15, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BG, I love Marshawn as a player, and I agree he’s the best player on this current Bills team, but I find it amazing that you’d compare him to guys who play with broken limbs when he had to sit out half a game with nausea.
I’m not knocking Lynch. Just your comparing him to guys who in my book had even way more moxie than Lynch does.
by thefourwinds on Dec 16, 2008 4:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Marshawn would have played through the nausea, but our team doctors/coaches wouldn’t let him. Keeping players healthy is a far more important issue for teams than it was back in the era you’re referencing. There’s a lot more money invested in said athletes these days.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 16, 2008 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, especially with the way they’ve been “saving” Lynch all season, and probably losing a few games because of it.
It reminds me of my sister who, when we were little, had this frisbee that she was always “saving for good.” Then one year we had this huge family reunion/gathering and wanted to play frisbee, but she wouldn’t get it out because she was still “saving it for good.”
How long do they think Lynch is going to last? If you’re not going to use him now to win, why bother saving him to lose in the future too?
by thefourwinds on Dec 16, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha exactly. It’s like buying a toy and keeping it in the box so you can sell it on eBay when you’re 40. (I just watched 40 Year Old Virgin this weekend…)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 16, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what the problem is. They put the Lynch on a pedastal.
by XtrmeCarnage82 on Dec 17, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Quote of the week.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to that feature?
Wasn’t there a quote of the week section on the blog before??
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 18, 2008 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian, I support your statement (and I'm 40)
Marshawn has one of the biggest hearts I have ever seen in a professional athlete. Every game he plays he is always pushing and never seems to go down. Athletically he doesn’t have the burst speed that others might have but the way he plays looks more like a 260lb FB with the nimbleness of a 220lb RB, he NEVER gives up on any play and it ALWAYS takes 2-3 guys minimum to bring him down. I love to watch this guy because you can tell that he is leaving it all on the field.
by keysh67 on Dec 15, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch is awesome
I won’t go as far as saying he is the hardest working Bill of all time, but yesterday was the first time I saw him live and just watching him bounce around on the sidelines before the game made me happy. It looked like the other guys were getting pumped up off his enthusiasm, especially the o-linemen who were coming up to him and chatting.
Then after that first big run where he went up the right side breaking tackles as Jets grabbed his jersey and he just kept drilling until he was pushed out of bounds I heard some guys grousing behind me about how the Jets could not tackle, I had to break it to them, “That’s Beast Mode! It takes an army to tackle that guy!” They were not too happy. And Lynch kept it up all game.
Jackson’s drive pushing the pile into the end zone was pretty awesome too.
Man, it was really cool seeing Lynch tear it up yesterday. At least I got that out of it.
by oompaloompa on Dec 15, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also add Tim Graham, “Bills throw away victory, Jets run with it”. Apparently no one was more surprised by the play action call than the entire Jets team. And this cheered me up:
How unlikely was the touchdown? The last time a team that was losing scored a come-from-behind defensive touchdown in the final two minutes of a game was 1981, when Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Tom Howard returned a fumble to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers.
by Zumone on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
On Sportscenter last night....
Heading into a commercial break I heard: “When we return, find out how the Jets played like the typical Jets and found a new way to win” or something very similar. I couldn’t help but laugh. The Jets shouldn’t be getting much credit for that win. They should have said “When we return, find out how the Bills played like the typicak Bills and found yet another new way to lose a game they had won”…..
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 15, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i really
dont’ think the reasoning or play call were bad. It’s just that good teams either make that play or throw it away and the Buffalo Bills, get a sack fumble and lose the game. It’s really that simple. The logic, the reasoning, I’m all for it. It’s called going for the knockout blow. Seal the game with your offense. Don’t let #4 beat you on a 2:00 drive. Peters missed the block, JP didn’t get rid of it, it’s quite simple really. Playing TMQ is easy, and run it two more times, the Jets tie it, we go to OT, I doubt we win. I like the call, it’s just simple. We aren’t good enogh to execute in pressure situations
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by MARVelous on Dec 15, 2008 9:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
sometimes marv – i just wish i could write what i mean like you did.
no wonder your an ivy-leaguer :)
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i try
but the Patriots, Steelers, Giants they all make that play. They ice that game and end it. That’s what good teams do. With good offenses. Just like last year in the Dallas game on MNF. The Bills threw on 3rd down, and Edwards thew a pick from the goal line and Newman returned it to the bills’ 35. Trying to ice the game. But the Bills’ aren’t good enough to execute under pressure which is why they have yet to beat a team with a winning record this season or hardly at all in the last 9 years. Until they get a QB and WR’s who develop the timing and chemistry that the top 10 offenses have, we will continue to not be able to execute those plays….plus it was JP Loserman
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 15, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but the Patriots, Steelers, Giants they all make that play
thats why I didn’t think it was a bad playcall – i just don’t get everyones thinking that it was a horrible play call.
good teams should and usually will make those plays – if we want to become a good team – we have to call and then execute that play. it was the perfect time for that. was it ideal? no. but with the clock down almost to the 2 minute warning it was the perfect TIME for that play if your going to call it.
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralphie’s got 40 million Loonies that will easily buy out Dick. What’s it going to cost him? $375k?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 15, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Identity of the target
It’s not just the fact that it was a pass call though – it was a pass to McIntyre. Who, I believe, has dropped more passes than he’s caught this year (2 for -1 yard). Wouldn’t it be better to throw it to someone like Reed, Evans, or any of the three TEs?
Sure, McIntyre has never fumbled in his career – but he’s also only touched the ball seven times (four kickoff returns, three receptions) in the forty-two games he’s played…
by Krenn on Dec 15, 2008 10:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lee was crossing as well – the FB may have been the primary route – but Lee was definately crossing and even looked open on the play
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a horrible play call
Simply because of the odds. What are the odds Corey even catches the ball? I’d say a bit over 50-50. What are the odds that JP will be JP and hold onto the ball too long and then do something stupid? It’s in his nature. What are the odds that, if there is a hard rush from his blindside that JP will not feel it coming? A playaction with 8 men near the line fools nobody and actually means that it takes more time to execute the play than a simple rollout, thus furthering the long odds.
Now what are the odds, given our domination of the run game, that we make 5yds on two carries to get another 1st down and ice the game? Very high.
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by keuka121 on Dec 15, 2008 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lee was crossing as well – the FB may have been the primary route – but Lee was definately crossing and even looked open on the play
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one problem
JP Losman has no idea who is looking for when he drops back, he may have seen the FB because that is his first option. However, unless he has 5-6 seconds to look downfield he isnt going to complete the ball to anyone else, so Evans is out of the conversation on that play.
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 15, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. JP sees, at best, two WR’s on any given play.
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by keuka121 on Dec 15, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He sees Evans and whoever is between him and Lee….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 15, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a bad play call, and bad execution.
No doubt about it in my mind. Why would you possibly design a play call to your scmuck fullback when the game is on the line? How could you not be adamant that the ball would be going to obne of your two best players in Evans or Lynch? I’d even have preferred Reed, or Jackson. Hell, I might have even have had Royal as the primary option instead of McIntyre.
That’s why it was a terrible play call.
by krytime on Dec 15, 2008 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Krytime – read above – watch the play – Lee was crossing.
Every pass play has a primary and secondary receivers. the FB was probably the primary. but Lee was definately crossing and open.
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4ac83
this is a link to the play – watch #83 come down from the top of the screen
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
primary option was McIntyre
and the ball was put in JP’s hands. I’m sorry, there’s no defending of this play. If you want to pass, throw a quick slant to Evans or something that doesn’t involve your FB and Losman moving around like that. Actually, screw that. I can’t get behind any pass in that situation especially w/Losman at QB and Lynch as your RB who had been gashing the Jets all day.
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 15, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol – but i AM defending this play.
plus a quick slant won’t run enough time off the clock if its incomplete
:)
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was 2nd down and 5 !!!
Maybe if it was 3rd down your argument would make sense to me. Making that call at that time with how well we were running the ball and JP as the QB is beyond stupid, IMO.
by Joe P. on Dec 15, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Lee crossing
And I get your point, but respectfully, I disagree. I totally agree with this comment from Kurupt:
" if you want to pass, throw a quick slant to Evans or something that doesn’t involve your FB and Losman moving around like that."
I can’t argue too much about a pass play being called, although (and it’s easy to say in hindsight) I would have much prefferred to run the dang ball again. My problem is the design of the play and it’s primary target.
Also – was teh play supposed to be a roll out, and if so, why did Losman drop back so far before he rolled out?
by krytime on Dec 15, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why did Losman drop back so far before he rolled out?
because he sucks…
and thanks Krytime – i’m not looking to say that i’m right or anything. i’m just saying that it wasn’t a horrendous play call and because of that Schonert or DJ needs to get fired. There’s far more amo out there and quite frankly much better amo for those causes.
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by J2 on Dec 15, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Bills first drive, after the fake punt and Marshawns big run, the Bills had an incomplete pass and a sweep with Freddie that gained nothing leaving 3rd and 10. The Bills then ran a run up the middle with Marshawn. I looked over to my uncle and said: That is the Bills coaching staff not trusting Losman enough to let him throw the ball, and possibly screw up FG position. I still feel that way, and I wonder what happened to change how they called the plays. That was a very conservative call (running it on 3rd and 10 there) only to then pass it with the game on the line.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 15, 2008 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
From the NY Post: "JAURON'S BONEHEAD CALL DOOMS BILLS"
The story open with:
“It wasn’t quite the Miracle in the Meadowlands. It was more like Stupidity in the Swamp…”
JauWrong should be commended on the creativity of the Bills losses. I didn’t really care much during most of the game, but then I saw how hard the maligned O-line worked and I started to feel for the guys. JP may have played (or should) his last game in the NFL. I doubt he’d ever get a shot at the starting job in the NFL again. He’s be a better fit in the CFL…and if he’s smart (and that’s debatable) that’s where he will go.
Regarding “the call”. I can understand calling a pass once in a while to keep the defense honest. However, the Bills were way beyond that point, and having much success. The O-line was manhandling the Jets front and Lynch was a complete beast. Two more tries to grind out 5 yards on the ground seemed like a successful strategy. Drawing up a play that featured bumbling Loserman and hands-of-stone McIntyre in some sort of roll-out was beyond cute. Add “Stupidity in the Swamp” to the Bills lexicon of futility.
BTW: does anyone know how to remove a players name from a Jersey. In stead of burning my Loserman jersey, I was thinking that I could just replace the name on the back. Even he didn’t wear the exact colors, I’m considering Flutie. I’m serious…any suggestions would be most appreciated.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 15, 2008 11:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That article is linked in this article. :)
Buffalo Rumblings - all you care to know about the Buffalo Bills and more
by Brian Galliford on Dec 15, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gibran Hamdan
From all i have read and heard, for the most part people were not to concerned about winning or losing this game yesterday. In fact many people wanted the high draft pick, so why not start Gibran Hamdan. Over the last 3 years JP Losman has done nothing but lose football games and perform poorly in clutch situations. It has been made clear by JP he will not be back next year, why did we not find out yesterday what Gibran Hamdan has to offer? Will he have the ability to be our backup next year? We still do not know. Are we going to have to use up another draft pick to pick up a backup quarter back?
My point is, why did we start JP Losman. There was no good reason for our organization to start Losman yesterday at all. We do not owe JP anything as an organization, and he should have the bench yesterday and watched Hamdan play the entire game.
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 15, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
just a thought
the jets did not blitz very often yesterday – could that have played into the complacency of peters when it did come on that screen play?
and on that point, jp seemed like he had all the time in the world yesterday and still could not make his passes.
i feel for the kid. his voice was almost cracking in the post game.
by oompaloompa on Dec 15, 2008 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't have a problem with the play call
Everybody is getting on how the offense has become predictable and for a change they actually tried throwing a curve to deliver a knock out blow instead of coaching not to lose. Yes they were running the ball very effectively and ran the ball 5 straight times so everybody in the stadium was expecting another run so it was ripe for a PA pass on a roll out (which is what JP is very comfortable working out of). Also JP looked as good as he has looked all year throwing the ball on the previous driver where he was 4/4 and was throwing darts on target. It was a high % play in my books, but Peters whiffed on a block and all JP once again cannot sense a pass rush and fumbles. Just our luck, all JP had to do was chuck the ball in the turf and we make it to the 2 minute warning (and yes that play action roll out would have easily burned off those 6 seconds). My books there was nothing wrong with the call, its the execution that stunk, but that is just my humble opinion.
by grenoire on Dec 15, 2008 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's on thing to throw a wrench in your system
in the first half or third quarter or when things are going wrong. But not at that time. Not when the running game is going as good as it ever has and you’re trying to put a game away. At least we didn’t call the halfback option.
by twoeightnine on Dec 15, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but Peters whiffed on a block
Peters hadnt whiffed on any of his down blocks when we were rushing for 5 yards a pop. Don’t ever stop running the ball when a team can’t stop you. period.
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 15, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great post brian, exactly how I feel. I didn’t know that they were trying to pass it to the fullback either, that makes me even more upset.
by buffaloboy90 on Dec 15, 2008 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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