Vote Now: Most disappointing 2008 Buffalo Bill
When the Buffalo Bills are 6-8, eliminated from playoff contention and have lost seven of their past eight games, it's difficult to find any topic of conversation to write about here that will engender warm and fuzzy feelings - especially considering we've praised Marshawn Lynch repeatedly over the past few weeks. Is there anyone else to write about besides Marshawn that might actually put a positive spin on the Bills' current situation? Probably not. So, in the spirit of the not-as-popular Scrooge outlook this holiday season, I thought it'd be - well, not fun, but perhaps interesting - to discuss which Bills have been the biggest disappointments this season.
I'm quite sure that many of you will have your own names to add to the list, and that's fine - go right ahead. I'm going to guess, however, that the following six nominees get mentioned the most, so we'll vote on these six candidates:
QB Trent Edwards: Sure, he started the season out on fire. Sure, statistically he's still been pretty solid this year, sporting an 85.1 passer rating and completing two-thirds of his passes. He's thrown 10 touchdown passes, rushed for three more and thrown 10 interceptions. He hasn't been terrible, but his mediocre play was also one of the biggest factors in Buffalo's slide over the past two months. Now he's nursing a groin injury, and it's debatable as to whether he'll play again this year. We've seen a lot worse out of the QB position, clearly, but we'll also need better play if we ever hope to end our near-decade-long playoff drought.
WR James Hardy: Please dispense with the "bust" label; to label any rookie wide receiver a bust is incredibly premature. With that said, the Bills quite simply needed a lot more out of Hardy as a rookie than they got. Prior to his tearing his ACL this past week and landing on IR, Hardy's rookie season consisted of just 9 receptions and 87 yards - monumentally below even the most modest of expectations for a rookie receiver. What's more, he never even saw much playing time in the area where he was supposed to make his biggest contribution - the red zone. His rookie season will be remembered for one reception, his game-winner in just his second pro game against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Beyond that, Hardy was largely invisible this year; the Bills need him to take great strides this off-season.
The Offensive Line: In the spirit of fairness, Buffalo's offensive line has been borderline dominant over the past half-dozen games. The run blocking has improved greatly, and quarterbacks not named Losman have only been sacked 20 times (Losman has taken 15 in 14 quarters of play). The line clearly hasn't been the biggest issue for this team, but all too often, they spring a leak that leads to a negative play (see: Jason Peters' whiff last weekend in New Jersey). Each lineman has taken their turn as the "goat" this season, so the whole unit makes this list. Again, they've improved dramatically as the season has worn on, but more work needs to be done on this unit.
DE Chris Ellis: Now, don't get me wrong. Expectations for rookie third-round picks should be tempered. But Buffalo had a dire need for an edge rusher last off-season, and Ellis was drafted to be that situational guy. Simply put, he wasn't. Ellis barely saw the field until he was forced into action by other injuries (Aaron Schobel and Copeland Bryan most often), and couldn't even beat out practice squad fodder like Bryan on the depth chart. Now he's on IR, and there's very few fans out there who believe he can make an impact as a second-year pro in 2009. His coaches might be right there with us.
LB Paul Posluszny: "Poz" is obviously one of Buffalo's most popular players, and with good reason - he's a tireless worker, a big hitter, and the embodiment of what makes Bills fans respectable. He fits well with this team and this city. He is also Buffalo's leading tackler with 96, 77 of those solo. But in terms of impact plays, Poz has been largely invisible; it may not entirely be his fault, but it is a problem. Posluszny has not registered a sack on the season despite blitzing frequently; he's recovered one fumble and his one interception came off of a convenient bounce last weekend against the Jets. Now there are whispers that the Bills may look to move Poz to the outside in the off-season. He's here to stay, but there's got to be a way to get more production out of our most popular defender.
FS Ko Simpson: I don't want to sway anyone's vote, but Ko is getting my tally. Simpson was a bit of an enigma entering this season, considering the fact that he missed all but one quarter of his sophomore season with a broken ankle. He won the starting free safety job in the pre-season, as expected, but his play has been largely terrible this year. He's racked up 58 tackles - strangely, good for fourth on the team and tops amongst defensive backs - but has quickly gained a reputation at being one of the Bills' poorest tacklers. Simpson is usually the guy chasing down big, game-changing runs by our opponents because he's the guy who missed the runner in the hole. He has zero sacks (not that he blitzes often), zero interceptions and zero fumble recoveries. Now, he's lost a starting safety spot, as Donte Whitner has assumed his free safety role with Bryan Scott our starting strong safety. There was a reason the Bills courted safety Marlon McCree last off-season; they'll likely be doing the same once again in a few short months.
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Poz gets my vote...
Because out of this list of players, he is the one I had the biggest expectations for.
It's been too long ...Playoff Bound In '12?
at least
Trent Edwards is practicing today according to Cb at bb.com…..doing individual drills at least. I hope he can come back and play at least next week. Seeing some 3-4 defenses again before 2008 closes would be great for him. And hopefully help him ease into the off-season
MARVelous
trent is practicing
Hamdan gets the start
There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?
by MonStarr_716 on Dec 17, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
no
Trent will start and Hamdan is #2 this week. The article on bb.com is pretty encouraging about Edwards and Coach Jauron:
Edwards sends text to Jauron
By Chris Brown – Posted December 17th, 2008
Fully aware of the criticism and job security questions that Dick Jauron has been forced to answer of late, Trent Edwards sent a text message to his head coach earlier this week.
"I sent a text message to him that said, ‘I’ve never respected a person more than I do him.’"
"I love him to death and love coming to work for him every day," said Edwards. "I’m just happy that these two years I’ve had in the league I’ve been able to have a boss like that."
When asked if that’s the first time he’s done that, Edwards said he usually sends him a weekly text. So for those that might be speculating that Jauron has lost this team he apparently still has the respect of one of the most influential players on the team in the offensive co-captain.
MARVelous
i just got a BB.com text saying that Hambone is getting the start….
havent been to the sight…is the text convo true?
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 17, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
na – on blogs.buffalobills.com chris brown says that Trent is getting the start and Hamdan will be #2
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
by J2 on Dec 17, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
oooooo
bad info i guess…..If Trent can play, he needs to start…if not, Hambone plz…i hope JP has already cleaned out his locker and has started passing out his highlight reel to the rest of the league.
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 17, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
has started passing out his highlight reel to the rest of the league.
probably just him running out of the tunnel with a uniform on. the rest is junk
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
by J2 on Dec 17, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he can go back to college and start over...
There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?
by MonStarr_716 on Dec 17, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
No, the text says Trent returned to practice today.
But if he can’t start then Gibby will.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
you right...
just reread it…..i got a lil excited…
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 17, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
i have to say
in Poz’s defense…he is not a natural middle backer he is just a crazy athlete with good football sense and a good work ethic and plays technically sound there…his natural position is OLB, I watch him at PSU for 2 yrs at OLB and he only went to the middle b/c (1) we had no one there and he was a beast among boys (2) that seems to be the new mantra for PSU linebackers they learn and develope at the outside and then fill in the middle thier last year (i.e. Dan Connor, and now Sean Lee will do the same next year)…so I really feel that Poz is a better fit at outside, now I’m not saying he can’t play the middle b/c it’s obvious he is doing decent there (no outstanding) but man when he can cut loose on the outside and just smack people…it gives you goosebumps
agreed
also as a nittany lion alumus, I would second that. I think Poz is a better fit outside. I would even take that a step forward and say that the cover-2 defensive scheme itself neutralizes his ability. As the MLB in the cover-2, Poz is often asked to drop back in coverage. Although he’s not bad in coverage, I would say that it’s probably his weakest attribute. Poz is known for his instincts and sound tackling ability. I think he would excel in a 3-4 defense or as an OLB in a base 4-3. In Buffalo’s current defensive scheme, I wouldn’t be upset if Buffalo got a MLB this off-season and allow Poz to shift over to the strong side. James Laranitis anyone?
John I.
have the saints resigned Vilma yet?
Lets get an ex-Jet in here now!
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you're a PSU alum and you are actually calling for
Laura nitis….come on man…we need a middle linebacker not a pile jumper
I voted for Ko because it is Ko in the grand scheme of things
but personally I’m leaning towards Ellis. He looked like a beast with a ton of potential every day that I watched him in training camp. I thought he was going to be special and the coaches were pushing him and getting on him to make him that player. Instead he wasn’t even active.
FS Ko Simpson:
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He’s racked up 58 tackles – strangely, good for fourth on the team and tops amongst defensive backs – but has quickly gained a reputation at being one of the Bills’ poorest tacklers.
I voted Other, because i would go for both starting safeties. Simpson was bad, but Whitner was really a ghost on the field.
Simpson
is just flat bad so I had 0 expectations for him. hard was expected to catch a handful of TD’s and provide a big time playmaker. But he can’t get out into his routes, struggles to seperate and has a ton yet to learn. Not to mention Edwards holds the ball for 8 years so the timing patterns aren’t there.
Hardy has to be it. And if this organization misses with Hardy….ouch that will hurt cuz we desperately need some weapons that can get open besides Lee’s fly patterns and lynch/jackson swing passes
MARVelous
I voted Hardy too
Maybe it is not fair due to the rookie WR growing pains, but when he caught that TD pass at the beginning of the season, I thought we would be seeing more of that.
"If you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter."
Hardy was drafted in the second round at 41 overall.
The Broncos had the 42nd pick overall; how did that work out for them?
And Tom Brady was selected in the 7th round.
The NFL draft is and will always be a crapshoot. Especially when it comes to WRs. Look at the guys the Lions drafted outside of CJ. Look what the Skins got out of their two WRs and TE this year.
Besides, Royal wasn’t what the team was looking for and everyone on this site would have freaked out if we drafted another 5’10" WR.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
whitner is a ghost?
if you ask me whitner is one of the few players who is always doing his job. yea he might not come up with huge game changing plays, however he is always there to turn the runner back in to the linebackers, frequetly makes plays at the line of scrimage. unlike ko simpson who is found chasing runningbacks 30 yards downfield because he lacks a good football sense of where to be and is caught out of position often.
I had high expectations
For some unknown reason, I thought 2008 could be the year he finally stepped up. He didn’t, he had injury issues, he never made any difference. Does Whitner suck? Not at all. Was I disappointed by him? Yes, deeply.
Of course I was not comparing him to Simpson
My "Other" Vote
Donte Whitner. I know he’s been injured and played through pain several times this year, but for a #8 overall pick, he has been a decent, but not great player. Not an impact player you’d expect at his draft level and experience thus far in his career.
Now, if we drafted Haloti Ngota instead of Whitner …
Disappointing
Our coaches made some of the WORST moves EVER this season folks. Crowell on IR after he would have missed like 6 weeks. Terrible move that led to Ellison taking over and he is small and WAY below average. This is why Poz was somewhat out on an island. We didn’t sign Johnson or anyone else at receiver that knows how to run a route and has a big physical presence. Why do you think Edwards had such a terrible year?? We cut Will James, a great veteran with speed and knowledge of the game for the last 7 years. Not to mention he could have really helped out our weak and pathetic secondary.
I voted for Simpson because I saw a lot of the back of his jersey, chasing someone down. When you play free safety, nobody is supposed to get behind you. Terrible year for KO. Whitner must be a great vocal leader and a pretty smart “Jauron” like guy. When he was drafted I almost threw my F****** TV out the window. Now I know why, he is a ghost on the field, never making any big plays, let alone any plays period.
BIGGEST BUST = Terrence McGee
If I am not mistaken isn’t Crowell not expected to be fully healthy until Mid January. Just asking?
by XtrmeCarnage82 on Dec 17, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
We didn’t sign Johnson or anyone else at receiver that knows how to run a route and has a big physical presence.
We were the only team to offer Johnson a multi-year deal; he decided to sign a one-year deal with a desperate team (SF) to boost his stock for this off-season. Hasn’t worked out for him, and I don’t think he would have made much of a difference this year for us.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Would not made a difference, except for one thing
His signing most likely would have changed our draft strategy in a draft year without much depth at WR.
Yeah, we should have kept Crowell on the roster wasting a valuable and needed space..
since he’s obviously back and healthy from his injury. He definitely fought for an injury settlement and his release so he could be back this year.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the whole Crowell thing being brought up here is bogus. The guy practically quit on this team before the season started; that’s really all we need to know.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Insubordination
That would be my guess as to why Crowell got an early IR. That and he did NOT get along with his teammates, as Geronimo alluded to. Poison
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
Because that worked so well with McCargo?
If he couldn’t pass a physical how would a guy with a knee injury that actually prevented him from playing football have ever passed one?
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
When?
They couldn’t trade him last year and did you really want them coming into this season (before he went down) with the only real experience in the Bills system being Ellison and DIgi? And we had too many other pressing needs to pick a LB in the first round.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ok - I'll try and explain my side again.
It seemed (from what we heard) prior to the season that the organization frowned upon Crowell. Instead of being a proactive organization, the Bills lolly gagged it on this one. Then he got hurt, and they immediately knee jerked, and put him on IR. My point is that they should have traded him while he had some value. If they thought he was going to add value to the defense, then the shouldn’t have put him on IR. He could have possibly played the 2nd half of the season. Since they didn’t believe he could add value, they should have tried to get at least something for him.
You were making a good case for
Jauron being the biggest disappointment .
"If you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter."
McGee?
If you are asked to cover any NFL receiver for up to 5,6, or 7 seconds they will get open every time no matter who is guarding them. When the QB can sit in the pocket with no pressure on him it makes the corners look bad…. understand hes a above average corner playing for a defensive coordinator with no balls to put pressure on the QB
Im shocked
Ko was bad but did anybody really think he was going to be good? I think it is James Hardy far far and away. I know rookie receivers aren’t supposed to make an impact but one of our biggest grievances in the off-season was that Reed wasn’t a number 2 receiver and that our offense needed somebody to take the heat off Evans and get us points where we struggled to finish in the redzone.
Hardy did not do any of that. He didn’t displace Reed, in fact made us appreciate him more, he didn’t take ANY pressure of Evans who should be commended for a great season with yet again no one else to work with, and he didn’t do anything in the redzone save one grab.
One of our biggest problems last year was that Evans needed help, whether a tight end or a big possession receiver. For now the THIRD year in a row Evans has been our ONLY aerial threat that defenses have to fear. FOR SHAME BUFFALO! They didn’t get a free agent with the hope that Hardy would do something. He’s not a bust, but boy was he a disappointment
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whole heartedly agree...
for me to vote for Ko, that means I would have had some sort of expectations this year, that I did not!
I also voted for Hardy. Yes receivers are suppose to take time to develop, but when a 7th round pick outshines a second rounder, you have to start to worry.
In addition, what worries me even more about Hardy is his lack of effort. In college, he was alwasy the big man. Running good routes and trying to get separation wasn’t much of a concern to him – he could just outjump smaller DBs for the ball. I think that showed this year. Hardy really struggled with the knowledge of the game and with being able to run good routes (which translates into getting open).
He’s the kind of guy that has overused his natural ability and never learned the fundamentals of the game. Steve Johnson is the opposite. He has that underdog/work hard attitude. He HAS to give it 100% every second or he wouldn’t even be on the roster. I think that has made him a better player.
Does anybody think that Hardy is going to be ahead of Johnson on the depth chart this summer? I don’t.
John I.
I totally agree
I was calling for Johnson since week 1 ’cause he really impressed me in the pre-season. He every chance he got all year he made the best of it. He will be our #2 next year for certain. The injury to Hardy almost guarantees it.
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Totally Agree
Early in the season I would have picked McKelvin. I never liked that pick to begin with. But he seems to start performing lately, so I’ll give him benefit of a doubt. Now its Hardy, hands down. WR was the biggest thing in the past off-season, and to see so many rookie WRs performing better than Hardy just makes me more mad! He was supposed to be our main Red Zone hope, and just how many catches had he made within the Red Zone this year? aaaargghhhh…..
Bills fan half way around the world
The guys who are performing were not what we were looking for though.
They’re all Evans clones. Under 6’, fast, not big red zone targets. So we would never have drafted them. The only “big target” that has produced is Jordy Nelson and we was off the board. ALL of the guys like Hardy are playing like crap. I’d guess it’s because the little guys have always had to get open themselves. They weren’t physical freaks like Hardy who could just out jump or out muscle CBs. It’s easier for them to adjust because they’ve been doing it for years.
by twoeightnine on Dec 18, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
So you're saying....
with the way the Bills evaluate talent (getting a tall physical Receiver) wouldn’t have landed them a rookie WR that could have performed this year……… I don’t totally get it. The idea is to draft a WR to catch some balls and make some plays. Why does it matter if he is tall or not? Steve Smith is only 5’9", and he can make plays. The fact of the matter is we desperately needed a WR, our #1 priority, and we ended up not using our 1st round pick on a WR and then not getting the result we wanted with our 2nd round pick. You can blame it’s management’s fault by not drafting correctly or not evaluating talent correctly, but that’s what makes Hardy the biggest disappointment — management putting all its eggs into Hardy’s basket and bringing the fans’ hopes and expectation along the way into the pick.
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I was disappointed but our expectations were very unrealistic. Two reason why:
a) He played in a system that is nothing lke the NFL. He never was taught to read defenses and make adjustments. He was clearly overwhelmed with the “thinking” aspect of the game. You could see the confusion in his eyes all season.
b) Big receivers normally take a few years to develop (Moss being the biggest exception). Plaxico had 22 catches for 232y and no TDs in his first season with the steelers in 2000, Ed McCaffrey had 16 for 146 and no TDs, and I am sure I could find a ton of other examples of larger framed Receivers taking a few years to develop.
Most of the other rookies you are inferring to suck as royal & jackson are small speedy guys and it’s a lot easier for smaller guys to get going faster.
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In fact
the Bills could have picked Eddie Royal in the 2nd round instead of Hardy. In hindsight, if you knew their first season results, would you have picked Royal instead of Hardy?
What I don’t understand is, why is everybody so stuck on big/tall receivers? Don’t we want WRs who can catch a lot of balls and run for many yards? Isn’t the results what we should be looking for instead of size? I guess people are looking for “Moss-type” potential, but how many turn up the right way?
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KO, Poz, McGee, Johnson, Kelsay, Schobel, Denny, Ellison, Whitner have all the same problems – their not playmakers. Maybe McGee from time to time but his prime is past him.
They don’t make enough game changing plays
then we wonder why out defense is suspect (well i think our D is below average)
Then you have to look at whos bringing these guys in and signing them.
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
Then you have to look at whos bringing these guys in and signing them.
LOL MAN, you guys have a one-track mind.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
uuhhhhh sorry Brian – that is the root of the problem here. don’t you think?
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
Yeah, but I’m trying to talk about something different. Different is OK. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of which
Why wasn’t Turk Schonert on this list? I made the mistake of believing he would end my painful habit of tearing my hair off my head every time we got in the redzone after Fairchild resulted in half my head being bald. Alas, no respite for my poor scalp.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
I wanted to keep it player-oriented. We’ll get to coaches at some point… :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
and also since you mentioned it in the piece and nobody responded yet
There are a couple of positive holiday cheer spins on the players besides Marshawn
1.) Kyle Williams – What a refreshing story he is compared to the rest of this team. I know Stroud playing next to him is a big help but Schobel has been out and its really up to him and Marcus and he answered the call big time this year. For someone who I constantly wanted to be benched for McCargo I do feel Jauron did the right thing in sticking with him even if I couldn’t see that (yes Jauron does somethings right). Kyle plays hard, he’s disruptive and is a stout run defender. I hope he stays on this team for years and keeps getting better.
2.) Bryan Scott- This guy may have done enough to earn a starting job next year and if he does, he may do enough then to surpass Whitner as our best safety. I know thats speculative but its hard not to love a guy who took Winslow one on one with the best of them, has played tough to the last whistle, and had to fight his way for recognition.
3.) Fred Jackson- he continued on the promise he showed last year with a stellar season contributing to our offense. Probably the only player on the Bills roster who I can remember yelling “way to go insert name here” at least once every game for a well done and big time play (except of course the game when the coaches didnt let him touch the ball, still dont know if he was injured)
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
While Youboty did present a strong showing of improvement and I’m glad to see that he is going to develop into a good player, I can’t be anything but disappointed in the fact that by missing so many games he is still the player who can’t get on the field.
McKelvin was somebody I fiercely supported as our first pick in the NFL draft because I believed he was going to be the gem of what is going to be a spectacular corner back class. He certainly delivered on that so far, so I wouldn’t categorize him as a surprise, he’s as good as advertised. Though in comparison to our 2nd and 3rd round picks we should be jumping for joy that he actually contributes.
I’ve been more impressed with Schouman then Fine, though neither really sticks out as overly impressive
I do feel bad leaving Jabari Greer off this list, part of the reason I wanted McKelvin so bad was that I didn’t think Greer could continue his progress and yet he has. So much in fact, that I want to trade McGee and go with Greer/McKelvin next year.
Stevie Johnson should get some credit too although many felt he got shafted by dropping to the 7th. Still, the kid shows serious promise.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Can't really argue with you there...
I’m thinking Fine will turn into a player though. I can’t say the same about Schouman.
Fine is a much better blocker than Schouman
Fine really stood out once he got onto the field. Again I ask, do you think it’s a coincidence that Buffalo’s run game improved when Fine was finally playing?
interesting
isn’t Fine a bit undersized? If so that is even more impressive. And if he’s blocking well in the running game, which is your area of expertise so I’ll take your word if he is, then he has value to me on the field. Question I have is if he is just a better blocker than Schouman or a good blocker? Those are two different things.
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Fine is a better blocker than Schouman
We haven’t seen either of them really step up in the passing game.
Fine
is a fine blocker but he’s not a route runner or pass-catching threat to draw safeties in the middle of the field. Cut Royal, and go get a pass catcher and use Fine and Schouman for blocking
MARVelous
Actually, I would have FIne be our blocker
And with whomever we draft at TE this year have him and Schouman team up as our pass catchers. Schou is actually a decent pass catcher, doesn’t draw double teams sadly, but would excel I think in a situation where we had two guys on the field who can catch the ball.
Honestly I feel we need to go 2-TEs all next season regardless. We are a team built to run the ball why not go 2 TEs, 1RB and 2 WRs? We got Lee and we can put Johnson or Reed out wide depending on the play call.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
2.) Bryan Scott- This guy may have done enough to earn a starting job next year and if he does, he may do enough then to surpass Whitner as our best safety. I know thats speculative but its hard not to love a guy who took Winslow one on one with the best of them, has played tough to the last whistle, and had to fight his way for recognition.
Scott also successfully took on Antonio Gates one on one.
by thefourwinds on Dec 18, 2008 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
game changing plays
Game changing plays occur when the defense applies the pressure. Look at pittsburg and baltimore for example, they are all over the QB, blitzing every other play. They do not drop back in to zone every play, they are agressive. Our lack of game changing plays is a result of our defensive strategies by out coordinators not our players
My take on the 6
I ordered this from least disappointed in to most (#6 – #1)
#6 Poz – I think he’s been pretty solid, I think most people were expecting a Ray Lewis type season from him and that is just not fair. I don’t know that he will ever be a dominating LB like Lewis, of course he probably wont stab anybody outside the superbowl either.
#5 Trent - I really don’t know that before the season started we had tons of expectations for him. I think after the team started 5-1, expectations were through the roof. I’m a little down on him right now, but I also can tell that he is easily the best QB on the Bills roster, and I still see the potential in him.
#4 Hardy – I know that lots of people were seeing him as a game changer and a huge weapon for the Bills this year. My whole argument about taking a WR like Devin Thomas or Malcom Kelly with the top pick in the ‘08 draft was that you can never really count on a rookie WR having good year. That said, he really didn’t do a whole heck of a lot, and when all is said and done 7th rounder Steve Johnson looks like a better prospect.
#3 Simpson – He’s been bad, but I can’t put him any higher or any lower.
#2 O-Line – The Peters hold out, the injury to Brad Butler, the regression of Melvin Fowler, (yes being a full time starter, then losing your job to Dookie Preston counts as regression) have all worked together to kill their season. They have looked much better of late however.
#1 Ellis – The way Forgein Arrow talked him up, I was expecting 5 or more sacks at least. This team needed help rushing the QB, Ellis was drafted to help in that regard even if only situationaly, he did little to nothing for us this year, and because of that the Bills will have to look for a DE early in the draft or via free agency for yet another year.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Boy, I wouldn’t put the O-Line that high. People forget that they were working with a new positional coach with a new blocking scheme. There was going to be a grace period…
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
He was the assistant o-line coach the year before so it’s not like he was a completely new face to them. The way that they played vs the Jets is how I thought they would play all year.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Yeah, but McNally was the man. If I recall correctly, Kugler worked with the tackles only last season, but it might have been McNally who did the tackles and Kugler did the interior linemen.
Either way, there’s an adjustment.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not a whole seasons worth of adjustments. You may be right, but it took way too long for me.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
No arguments from me on the “way too long” argument.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were both drafted by the Redskins. Thomas has shown flashes but Redskins fans are disappointed, Kelly showed up not in shape and his season went down hill with injuries. Redskins fans are not happy with either one at all. Add to all this Skip Davis’, TE, absence on the field and our draft does not look so bad. I am glad we did not touch Kelly or Thomas, although I do think Thomas will turn out just fine.
I really like your list eric
That is probably the order I would put them in as well.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have voted for Schobel
But went with Hardy. The kid’s total for the season would be low for a decent player’s 1-game total.
Schobel was playing waaaaaay under his value during the first month, and succumbing to injury for the season has to count for something. Where did that toughness go? Lisfranc is no joke, but it seems ironic that he suffered such an injury setback after missing nothing for many seasons.
Oh, honorable mention should be given to the FB/TE position.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 17, 2008 12:44 PM EST reply actions
McCargo is a good point.
Last time I checked, Chris Ellis is a defensive end.
And if you’re referring to the vets, did you honestly expect to NOT be disappointed by them?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I did expect them to be better.
My whole theory is that if you get good DT play, everyone else around should be better. I expected a slight increase from Williams, and a break out year from Big John. Coupled with the acquisitions of Stroud and Johnson (should Spencer have a deserved a vote?), I fully expected the 3 ow flex looking DEs to be better. McCargo was such a huge bust though, so he scrapped that whole idea and thought process of mine.
While I’m at it, where’s the vote for Teyo Johnson, or Courtney Anderson? What about Dwayne Wright? Obviously, I’m just kidding with these guys, but a lot of us did expect them to contribute some before training camp started.
Wait a – minute – in the distance – I think I just heard Dwayne Wright drop something again..
Well now he has to turn in his apron. Noone wants their fries off the floor.
by XtrmeCarnage82 on Dec 17, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Very nice, I can picture him now with his McDonalds visor on.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
James Hardy is a Rookie though
Did this many people really have high expectations for a rookie receiver? How many rookie receivers do that well in their first year? I agree with Krytime. McCargo sucks
I voted Ellis
Because if he was unable to win some playing time this year, a year where both our DE combined only have 6 sacks – This guy should be ashamed of himself pure and simple. We wasted a 3rd round pick on this guy. Rookies rarely get the opportunity to start handed to them on a friggin silver platter and this guy got it and did nothing with it.
I must admit that I don’t trust out coaching staff because Jauron tends to be so overly loyal that maybe Ellis could have started but Jauron was favoring the incumbents. But Ellis clearly would have started if he really showed something special in practices, which should not be that hard to do… My only guess is that he just not that good or he lacks motivation or he’s lazy or all of the above! He was clearly in a position to help us out and he didn’t.
I think Chris Ellis was a really good prospect coming out of college. Once he gets a little bigger and stronger I think he is going to be really good. Again, I am impressed with our rookie class overall. I agree that he should have gotten more PT. Our ends just are not that good. I think Ellis will get a lot more playing time now though. I mean, they just said Hamdan was going to be ahead of JP on the depth chart. So, I expect Derek Fine, Chris Ellis, Leodis, Steve Johnson, and Reggie Corner to all get a lot of PT.
by buffaloboy90 on Dec 17, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Front Office, Scout and Draft Team
Let’s face it, when your front office scheduels an away home game against your arch rival they are not thinking about the loyal Bills fans. Even Ralph Wilson has acknowledged that our team lacks the talent to be a contender. You have to point at the failure of our scout and draft team. They are accountable for the high number of poor quality of players on the roster.
And as for the players mentioned here?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if you are completely correct. The past scouting team headed by GM Tom Donohoe was terrible. I mean, we spent 1st round picks on JP Losman and John McCargo, both guys we will probably cut by the end of the season or get rid of somehow. But, the Tom Modrak leading, the Bills have drafted very good players. Look at our past 2 or three drafts.
Trent Edwards, Poz, Marshawn Lynch, Brad Butler, Leodis McKelvin, Derek Fine, Donte Whitner. I like our drafts as of late.
by buffaloboy90 on Dec 17, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you're kidding
For eight years the Bills have not had a real DL. For eight years the Bills have not had a real QB. For eight years the Bills have not had a WR corp. For eight years the Bills have not had a MLB or LB corp to speak off. How can you possibly be content with our Scout and Draft team? They are more of a disapointment than anything or anybody else in the Bills organization.
we had a sick linebacker corp
when we had London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes and Posey. I mean, Crowell was a back up. That was awesome
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Although I must say that they picked fairly well in 2007 and 2008 (with the exception of Ellis)
But the first draft that Jauron/Levy/Modrack did in 2006 was horrendous! Taking Whitner at #8 and then moving back up for McCargo was clearly wrong. Earlier today I posted on Jauron a palooza and I just pointed out that
“All that I can say is that I really wanted Ngata and we had our chance but our brains-trust at the time (Marv, Modrack & Jauron) chose Whitner. What really makes maters worse is when you consider what could have happened next:
a) We stay put at #42 and we could have drafted: Tony Scheffler or Greg Jennings
b) We still trade up and we could have drafted: Nick Mangold or Mathias Kiwanuka”
Its not hard to see how bad that draft turned out is it?
I always liked Marv Levy, he is a stand-up guy. But he screwed-up big time with the 2006 draft. We would not be the same team today had they done their homework better. I definitely blame Modrack the most because it’s his team that builds the draft board and assigns the grading. Not sure that we can blame Marv for it other than thinking that a safety could help us more than a monster NT.
Anyway, I still hope that Wilson guts this team from top to bottom and brings in a guy like Cowher as a Head Coach / GM. We really need a guy who understands football around here cause we really set our team back in 2006! Ask yourself where we’d be today?
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I can’t fault any of them. They didn’t join the team with any personel preconcieved notions of promised success. The promise of success came from those who selected them.
The promise of success came from those who selected them.
I’m not talking about that; I’m talking about YOUR expectations for those players. Do you not have an opinion on that?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I would have to choose John McCargo
What a waste of a first round draft pick. I believe his selection was done to ease the criticism the Bills were given by the media and fans for letting Pat Williams and Sam Adams go. If you recall McCargo was considered by most teams a third or as a stretch a late second round pick.
Other
It would have to have be McCargo. Remember all summer when most were salivating at what McCargo and Stroud would do on the inside. Props to Williams though.
Kelsey
continued to make rookie mistakes all year, always falls for the play action fake which makes him suseptible to reverses and qb roll outs. he has 2 sacks while his backup, denney, has 4. denney also has more tackles then kelsey. while the DE’s have been big disappointments I think Kelsey has been the biggest of them all.
kelsay
he plays hard and is a captain and everything, huge contract. the only sacks he gets are tackling the QB right before he crosses the line of scrimage running down field. never gets pressure
He has a knack for taking himself out of the play or just missing the big tackle in the backfield. Sometimes hard work can’t overcome talent. Something is lacking in his anticipation, reaction time or both. Pity, I like his attitude.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
He has a good attitude, for a BACKUP
I was unhappy when we drafted him, unhappy when they made him a starter and am still upset to today. Kid should have been a backup from the get go, not handed a huge extension and a starting role.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
Simpson got my vote. What a disappointment.
If the Bills were to pull a Whitner type draft pick next year, I’d love to see Taylor Mays in a Bills uniform. I know they won’t, but Mays is not just a freakish athlete, he is also a freakish playmaker. FS,6’3, 225, 4.4 40 and hits like a linebacker. He may redefine the safety position. The other “can’t miss” prospect, IMO.
Hardy did have a crappy year, but he was constantly misused. On his TD catch vs Jags he ran to the corner from the middle of the field. He had an angle to work with. Every other time I saw him in the red zone he ran the endzone fade down the sideline. No angle. Ridiculous. I also saw him run several hook patterns where he was standing still waiting for the ball and the ball was usually late. He will learn to come back towards his QB if the ball is late. The times where he caught the ball were mostly in patterns and quick slants. This is what a rookie tall WR should be doing. He should be in motion when catching the ball, not standing still. As regards Hardy, the coaches have a bigger learning curve than James. The jury is out till year 3.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
McCargo looked like an experimental Tampon 2 pick
Undersized, supposedly quick and disruptive. Way overweight for a DT his size. So much for that theory.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
Has to be Hardy
Hardy was by far the most disappointing. There’s no reason he shouldn’t have 3-5 TD grabs by this point in the season. I didn’t really expect a whole lot of receptions from him over the course of the season, but there’s no excuse that someone of his size and athleticism that he shouldn’t have grabbed a few more TDs. Simpson I agree has been abysmal this season. He always seems to be a step slow on every play. In regards to Poz, it’s usually the MLB that is supposed to funnel the plays to the OLB, and he blitzes the exactly same way everytime so it’s always being picked up successfully. That’s not his fault that’s bad playcalling on Fewell’s part.
I ca't believe no one has mentioned Mitchell
My guess is that he’s missed more tackles than anyone else on the roster. Buffalo definitely misjudged his ability….perhaps blinded by his Super Bowl ring?
really Ron?
I actually think Mitchell has been a bright spot. He made some big plays to win some games, he flies around the field and he delivers attitude to our young team. Sure he missed some tackles, but I think its a site for sore eyes to see somebody flying around. Lord knows Whitner, Ellison, Simpson, or anybody else is
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
Some tackles? I'd say only Simpson has blown more and that might even be tight.
Look at the safety he should have had a couple of weeks ago. Even more troublesome for me is that it seemed as if most of his blown tackles came in the backfield. Yes it’s great that he’s getting back there but when you turn a 5 yard loss into a 3 yard game that hurts.
He’s a playmaker for sure but he had a chance to be THE playmaker.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ko "bad angle" Simpson
Santa needs to give this guy a protractor.
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by NJBill on Dec 17, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL. Man, y’all are cracking me up today…
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
bright spot?
The only thing he does well is blitz, he is very good at pressuring the QB when he comes on a blitz. however if you look at the majority of the big plays our defense gave up in the run game, almost all of them are a result of Mitchell either being out of position, missing a tackle, or over running the play. All basics that a good linebacker in the NFL should be able to do…… we were blinded by the ring, including myself
I dont think its fair to say that. I bet if we go back and look at film Ellison’s side gave up far more big run plays than Mitchell’s
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
I dont know that would be interesting to see, but numerous times we saw mitchell get burned by the back out of the backfield on a pass route. I agree he has great ability, but i just feel he gets himself out of position to frequently to be that “great” linebacker we expected
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 18, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
we should change his position?
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
I was on my way to vote Mitchell.
Agree with Ron 100%. Based on expectations, Mitchell was the biggest disappointment. I don’t think he flies around much more than others, and he misses tackles and coverage way more than I thought he would.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
I had Mitchell on the list, actually. But I figured if I put him on, somebody would say “I can’t believe no one has mentioned Posluszny!” :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Moorman let me down this year.
He used to be “the man”. Now I’m not sure what’s gonna happen when he’s back there. He’s by far not the biggest bust, but he certainly isn’t punting like he did in previous seasons.
Sorry. Calling him “not the biggest bust” doesn’t make any sense. He’s also not the Biggest disappointment. However, he will go as the special teams’ biggest disappointment. On offense, it has to be Hardy, with Trent’s ability to read a defense coming in second. It’s as if his arm strength was conversely correlated to ability to read a defense.
How can anyone vote for Hardy?
None of the big time receivers, save maybe Randy Moss, had an impact first year. It takes them some time to realize they can’t just half-a$$ it and then run by someone for a score. It takes time to learn how to play the position and find soft spots in the zone that were huge in college.
Ellis was supposed to come in and at least be a situational pass rusher. He has been inactive for so many games and as a third round draft pick you’re at least expected to be on the roster on Sunday. I think that’s disappointing.
I can vote for Hardy because even with tempered rookie expectations, he needed to give us more than 9 catches.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t count, but didn’t he drop 9 passes? It certainly seemed like he was catching .500 from the field.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
He's got 5 or less.
Unfortunately someone else on the team had a case of the droppsies this year.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. That’s tough to guess…
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
It actually doesn't surprise me.
He comes out of the backfield on short passes like he’s running the ball and gets his body too twisted and out of position all the time. He’s a good receiver but he goes into Beast Mode too soon on passes.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
McCargo & Whitner = My vote for other
These two guys have really disappointed me personally this year.
I’ll give Poz, Trent, Ellis, & Hardy a pass this year. All of them were basically in or just past their rookie campaigns as far as actuall playing experience. Give them some slack (and no need to mention the Ryans, Flaccos, Royals, & Fortes of the leauge).
I forgive the oline somewhat because of the line shuffling & Peters’ holdout. I think they have been pretty good as of late.
No words for Ko, ecept thank you for introducing me to B. Scott
But McCargo & Whitner don’t have much of an excuse in my book.
McCargo seemed to come on strong last year, and I was delighted. I thought something had finally clicked for this guy. hen we bring in Stroud & Spence, and I’m like wow…we have the makings of a pretty decent DT rotation this year. But alas…this guy can’t even motivate himself, let alone our coaching staff. Ending up behind a 5th rounder on the depth chart, basically getting benched, and even a trade could’nt light this guys fire. Dude…why did you even declare yourself for the draft?
And then there is Donte’s Inferno….If you talk the talk, walk the walk. I’m sorry, he’s a good player, versatile, a vocal leader, pretty decent against the run….but he is not an impact player (at least not yet). While I am not ready to give up on him, am no where near being impressed. He is not that great in coverage, his tackling technique is questionable (possibly led to his shoulder injury), still takes bad angles, and has not showed that big play ablity. I was really hoping this year would be a breakout year from him.
Honorable Mentions: Me as a fan….for letting my hopes get too high on such a young team going into the season with a rookie OC, and ignoring our issues and admiring our 5-1 record
There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?
I really can not understand why everyone is not voting the O-line.
They are the Tallest and Heavest line in the NFL, and they are so inconsistant on the run. They spent so much on Mockery and Walker. Peters is No PRo bowler. Duke Preston really stinks. Come on people. James Hardy? Bad draft pick. should have signed a quality guy in the off season.. Johnson is haveing a better year, and he looks better. Ko Simpson is a disappointment???? He sat all of last year out because of a terrible injury, is he 100% healthy? In my opinion there is no other option, and I did not see Ralph wilson or Juron on that list. They would have gotten my vote too.
inconsistant in the run game
Any offensive line is going to be inconsistant when the team doesnt run the ball. There were a few games in a row where we just gave up on the run way to early. It makes the line look bad but its not their fault its whos calling the plays. Ask Adrian Peterson and dthe Vikings if they ever give up on the run? No, because no matter what they continue to put the ball in their best players hands and let the run game happen, thats what the bills need to do
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 18, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Lose Man
I can’t believe you left Lose Man off your list!
He is awful! Of course, we knew he was awful last year, so maybe he is not a disappointment – he is living up to expectations. Or living down to them.
JP, the idea is to keep the ball AWAY from the other guys!
What about chris kelsay????
He’s a team captain, he’s getting paid 3 million this year, has played all 16 games i believe and he has been a non factor in basically every single game. He has 2 sacks…….thats atrocious. He’s basically just put into the line up to fill space. I can’t thing of any game changing plays hes made all year or even in his career besides the pick for a TD against dallas last year. Ralph and the Bills organization are spending money on these poor excuses for players when they could be going after high end free agents or paying the people that really do deserve it. And don’t tell me that free agents dont win championships because the patriots completely demolished our division and the entire league last year after they brought in a ton of good free agents. Arrrrrgh just thinking about this team now and how they started makes me want to explode. sorry for the Biography
JP losman
He is a terreblie backup he maybe even worse then Mike Mcmahon was
by The Buffalonian on Dec 17, 2008 8:41 PM EST reply actions
This isn't even close for me....
Donte Whitner is the biggest disappointment on the Bills and I don’t even think another player is in the same zip code on this one.
This guy had the nerve to guarantee a playoff berth this year. To back it up, what did he do? A whole lot of NOTHING. This guy is probably the worst open field tackler on the team, is downright awful in coverage and the next big play he makes will be his first. I’ve thought he was a solid player before this year, but this year I consider him a major bust. He was thoroughly outplayed by Bryan Scott at SS this year. This guy makes me somewhat sick actually with all his talk and no walk. I’ve been contemplating asking everyone what they would think about a Whitner trade, but we don’t need to open another position even though this one could really use improvement.
The other major bust is McCargo. I fully expected him to take the next step this year after showing signs his first 2 seasons. With Stroud in the mix, I thought McCargo was going to have a big year. Ouch.
Trent has disappointed, but I’m more disappointed in how he was handled.
Hardy and Ellis were rookie disappointments, but it’s hard to really get worked up over them not contributing because they are rookies. I’m more worried that neither showed any sort of ability whatsoever. A sign of good things to come would have been nice.
And it’s hard to label guys like Poz and Simpson disappointments when I never considered them to be that good to start with, Simpson especially. I never saw anything I liked out of Simpson, another terrible tackler.
That 2006 draft is so disappointing at the top….Whitner, McCargo, Youboty and Simpson. Just imagine where we might be had we not wasted 5 picks?? Well, maybe 4, I’m not sure Youboty’s a waste just yet…
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Royal
Has dropped more balls than anyone on this team this year! He was a huge disappointment and actually cost us games this year AGAIN!
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"There's NO place like home when it's the Big Tree Inn"
That’s a false statement. While Royal sucks, Marshawn Lynch has dropped more passes than anyone on this team this year.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 18, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
False Statement?
While I agree that Marshawn has dropped a LOT of balls this year, I consider the throws as well. I’ve seen some TERRIBLE throws to 23. Not hitting him in stride, too high/low etc… Take your pick.
Royal ont he other hand . . . . . just plain TERRIBLE no matter where the ball is thrown.
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LOL yes! False statement. Marshawn Lynch has dropped more balls than Robert Royal.
I never said Royal didn’t suck…
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 18, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
No QB
play in your equation here Brian?
I mean, I understand a drop is a drop, but it takes two to make the play work – no?
YES, 84 does SUCK & will be gone after this season. I have NO problem w/ your statement there. I’m only trying to defend 23 on ‘some’ of his drops is all.
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To me, any dropped pass is a catchable ball. Lynch should be making those catches, just as much as Royal should be. So no, I guess QB play doesn’t factor in, because a catch is a catch and a drop is a drop.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 18, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
IF it's catchable
we can go around & around on this Brian.
What’s your take on the dropped ball by Josh last Sunday? I thought it was behind him and also very high? Who’s to blame for that dropped pass? 82 or 7?
I’m of the beliefe that if a WR gets his hands on the ball it SHOULD be caught in 98% of the cases, but I also still feel that there are exceptions to that as well, and that being the throw itself. So by NOT considering the throw on a dropped pass doesn’t completely wash for me, sorry…..
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All I’m saying is that I factor the drop itself far more than I do the throw. Just like you do.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 18, 2008 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
a majority of his drops have come from inaccurate throws from losman. No excuse for a pro-bowl caliber player to drop balls, but he wasnt dropping them when edwards was throwing them on the money, Losmans inablity to throw accurately and on time effects everyone. Just one reason why losman really sucks
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 18, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I voted for Ellis
Drafted to be a situational guy (not a starter or in on 75% of the plays). Handed the opportunity on a golden platter because of injuries, and still had almost zero impact regarding the role he was drafted for.

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