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I believe the Bills should try to first trade, but if not, cut the following players:

Out:                                                     Base Salaries

  1. Melvin Fowler.                           1,775,000
  2. Angelo Crowell.                         1,300,000
  3. JP Losman                                1,900,000
  4. Robert Royal                             1,675,000
  5. Jason Whittle                             730,017

Total                                             7,380,017

FYI:  Lee Evans makes a base salary of 11 million dollars a year.  That is, by FAR, the largest base salary of any receiver or running back in the NFL.  Furthermore, it is the 3rd largest base salary in the NFL behind only Peyton Manning and Bret Farve.  I like Lee, but not he is by no means worth 11 million dollars a year.

 

I also believe the Bills should try to acquire some of these players.

In:                                                       Base Salary               

  1. Antonio Bryant.  WR Bucs.           605,000
  2. Lance Moore.  WR Saints            520,000
  3. Jason Hill WR 49ers.                    370,000
  4. Steve Breaston WR Cards           370,000
  5. Haloti Ngata  DT Ravens              445,000
  6. Lawrence Timmons Olb st.           370,000

Total                                             2,680,000       

P.S.  I got these figures from the following website: http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2008

It might interest you to know that the New England Patriots have the third lowest team payroll in the NFL.

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On Evans – his base salary is that large because he signed the extension during the season. It’s front-loaded because the Bills had the cap room this year, saving for future seasons. That’s a smart contract for both sides.

I’m not understanding how Ngata’s on the list. He was drafted in 2006 and isn’t a free agent until after the 2010 season, and there’s a 0% chance the Ravens trade the dude, because he’s dominant. Lawrence Timmons was also drafted in 2007; he’s not leaving Pittsburgh that soon.

In point of fact, only Bryant and Moore are guys that would be available, and even that’s unlikely, because the Bucs and Saints would be crazy to let them go.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 2, 2008 4:19 PM EST   0 recs

I think the Bills should maybe trade for Ngata or Lawrence Timmons with draft picks. You are correct, neither of those players are free agents. Ngata, in my opinion, is definitely worth a first round draft pick. I also think Timmons, is definitely worth a second.

I am not sure on the specifics of Lee Evans contract. Would he be making 11 million dollars in the upcomming years too? If he is, I think that is way to much money going to a wide receiver of his caliber, although I think he is very good.

Remember:
1. Jags traded Stroud
2. Raiders traded Moss.
3. Panthers Traded Kris Jenkins.

I could provide other examples, but that is just beating a horse with a dead stick.

What I’m saying is we COULD get Bryant and Moore.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 4:47 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No, Evans won’t be making nearly that much money in recent years.

Yes, DTs have been moved, but they were aging or disgruntled. Stroud, Jenkins and Rogers ALL fit under that category. Ngata is young and dominant, and there is literally a 0% chance he’d be traded for even 3 first-round draft picks. Timmons would be easier to acquire, but again, that’s very, very unlikely.

Bryant and Moore are legitimate, but honestly, I don’t see us adding either of them for the reasons I mentioned before.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 2, 2008 4:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

literally a 0% chance he’d be traded

If Buffalo were able to deal for Ngata, I would stop drinking bourbon, and write intelligent posts here from now on. People in hell would be asking to borrow a sweater…

by krytime on Dec 2, 2008 5:34 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

You drink bourbon? That stuff is gross, my level of respect for you just went up even higher.

by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

is drinking bourbon and writing intelligent posts connected? All I know is that after Bills games I write highly unintelligible posts, likely because i’ve been drinking too much bourbon and beer. Maybe you are on to something…..

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 2, 2008 8:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Oh Poz/Kaiser...

Likely, some of my most “brilliant” posts have been the result of bourbon and beer. Just as likely, some of my least “brilliant” posts have been the result of the aforementioned catalysts.

by krytime on Dec 2, 2008 9:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

cough – Aaron Merz – cough

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Dec 2, 2008 10:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

hahahahahaha

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 12:33 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

haha. I love how you put brilliant in quotations. I post with a dozen beers in my tummy with a good regularity as well. I just find bourbon to be yucky.

After my encounter with rzayo (or whatever his name is) I feel the need to point out that you are an awesome poster and the exact thing that makes this blog great. You too poz. And you too to about 15-20 other regular posters. I am proud to be a regular poster and somewhat significant contributer to this site. I wrote earlier that if the posters here were half as uninformed and childish as some of the Phinsider guys, I would leave and never come back, but I feel so strongly about the strength of this community that I am not worried that will ever be the case.

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 12:33 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Don’t worry, it won’t happen. Brian takes too much pride in the site for it to deteriorate because of a select few….

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 3, 2008 12:47 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

And that is why I said this:

I would leave and never come back, but I feel so strongly about the strength of this community that I am not worried that will ever be the case

To be dead serious though. They don’t just have a few immature posters though. The entire community doesn’t research or use facts like most of us do around here. The Phinsider has an entirely different feel to it than Rumblings does.

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 1:04 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

amen

i’ve checked out some of the other blogs and it makes you thankful for the kind of people on this site. The quality starts with Brian at the top and must trickle down to the rest of us or something, whatever it is, it is definitely the quality of posters such as yourself that keep me coming back here for my Bills info.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Dec 3, 2008 11:43 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

This isn’t Madden. You don’t trade young, talented stars like that….

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 2, 2008 6:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I’ll take that one step further. This isn’t Madden, you rarely trade players ….. ever. And when you do it is because you don’t even want them on your team anymore.

by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yea that was my bad. There is no way they trade him. I wanted to Bills to draft him, so I guess i’m that is just wishful thinking.

I love the Madden reference. That is great. I actually think i’ve traded for him in madden.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

you, me and plenty of other Bills fans were wishing for Ngata come draft day. I still have no clue what Marv and co. were thinking with the Whitner pick. Not a terrible selection, but they could have done so much better.

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 12:35 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Moore is a restricted free agent and won’t be traded. Bryant might actually hit free agency and could be an actualy option. He won’t come cheap though, don’t be fooled by the salary he was playing for this season.

by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2008 6:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well the only player you propose we trade/cut that isn’t a free agent is Robert Royal.

Losman only made 650K this year. I think the 1.9 mil total was his cap number or what he could have acheived with bonuses that come with being the starting QB.

While its true that Evans salary for this year is 11.7 mil, that is mostly because the Bills didn’t really give him a signing bonus, they just included it in this year’s salary figure to save some cap space down the road.

Acquire Haloti Ngata? hahahaha, not without a time machine.

Timmons isn’t going to be traded either. I doubt SF wants to move Jason Hill, but he would be at least somewhat reasonable to talk about. Is he really an upgrade though? Breaston doesn’t really fit as a return man who is currently excelling with two of the best WRs in the league, a fringy HOF QB and a pass happy offense. Breaston is way more valuable to AZ than he would be here. Lance Moore is a restricted free agent who is going to start to cash in pretty soon. Antonio Bryant is a free agent and one I wouldn’t mind going after. Didn’t you just put up a fanpost talking about how we need to give Hardy and Johnson playing time and let them develop?

Payroll isn’t all that indicative of how much a team is spending. It mostly just means how much have they spent lately. Contracts go up and down so much from year to year and signing bonuses can come in such huge chunks. The year that NE signed Brady, they probably had a top 3 salary because the signing bonus was so big.

by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2008 4:30 PM EST   0 recs

Yes, I did say we need to give Hardy and Johnson Playing time. If they both develop into unbelievable receivers by the end of this year then we wouldn’t need to go after so many receivers. Call me crazy, but there is a pretty good chance that neither one of those two receivers ends up being a nice #2 by the end of the year who would draw away coverage from Lee.

So how much will Lee make next year? I just don’t understand his contract.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 4:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

rotoworld.com is the best place for contract info. I know Brian uses the site as well. They cover all sports as well as fantasy stuff. you just have to type the player you want into the search box and they will give you a bunch of info on him. One of the things you can click are the details of the contract.

Evans is making 11.73 mil in salary this season because he is basically getting his signing bonus lumped in with what his current salary already was. He makes 9 mil next year, 8.4 mil in 2010 which includes a 3 mil roster bonus, but then he only makes 4 mil in both 2011 and 2012 before becoming a free agent again in 2013.

by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

From the numbers you just read to me. In my opinion, Lee Evans is not worth that much money. Just because he’s a good player doesn’t mean the Bills have to keep him. They could trade him for two players, or a player and a draft pick. The Bills are getting emotionally tied to the “leaders” on this team. Donte Whitner is a waste of money too. When was the last time he made a play? George Wilson can fill his spot easily and play just as well if not better. Look at the New England Patriots. As soon as Asante Samuel started asking for big bucks they said he could leave. Terrence McGee should get the boot here pretty soon too. Too much money.

Leadership is important, don’t get me wrong. But this is a business.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Lee Evans is making 2 million dollars more, a year, then Steve Smith on the Carolina Panthers. Roto World is a great site BTW.

What I’m saying, is that the Bills could probably afford Antonio Bryant, Lance Moore, and Jason Hill if they didn’t give Lee Evans that contract. Are we a better football team with those three receivers or with Lee Evans? Keep in mind we could have gotten that incredible center too, that all the fans seem to want.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

yeah isn’t rotoworld awesome for contracts and stuff? you can even check the past news on a player. I have used rotoworld info in arguments based on Angelo Crowell and LJ Smith on this site, in the not too distant past.

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 12:37 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I do wish they showed previous contract numbers, and prior years. I don’t peruse the site all that often, but I have gone looking for those types of numbers in the past. Oh well, it’s perfect for current numbers….

Still don’t know how Evans got the money he got if you look at some top WR’s in the game. He’s no where near elite and he’s making more than nearly ever other WR in the NFL. Thanks rotoworld

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 3, 2008 12:48 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, rotoworld is what is it is.

I agree with you that Evans isn’t elite, but when you look at the contracts Jerry Porter, Javon Walker and Bernard Berrian got, how can you be surprised that Evans is getting a contract worth about 7 mil a season? Hes only making a ton of money this year (because he didn’t get a signing bonus), next year and 2010. After that he will be a total bargain for the Bills. At the age of 30 and 31, he will only make 4 mil and then he will be a free agent. It looks like a perfect deal for Buffalo on paper if you ask me.

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 1:11 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

yeah it’s a sad thing, all those mediocre, or worse, players making so much money. but such is the nfl landscape these days….luckily for us, that deal is front loaded and he won’t be tying up the some crazy cap number…

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 3, 2008 2:34 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

In reality, I think if we had another receiving threat Lee would be doing even better. And then I wouldn’t be complaining.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 3, 2008 6:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The first 4 guys on your list of guys to acquire are all WRs. I realize you aren’t saying to get all of them but I really don’t see much of a need to add a WR to this team. Evans, Reed, Parrish, Hardy, Johnson are all under contract for next year. I strongly believe that a stronger O-Line and better play calling from our OC will be what this offense needs.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM EST   0 recs

No offense, but just because we have receivers under contract doesn’t change the fact that we don’t have a good #2 receiver.

Also, the offensive line has provided more then enough time for the QB. The problem is that the receivers are not getting open. There is always room for better play calling, but it’s a lot easier to call plays when an offense has receivers who can get open. I don’t quite understand why we need a better offensive line, especially in terms of pass protection. I know people don’t like Preston, but the fact of the matter is Trent Edwards has Plenty of time to throw the football.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 7:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Don’t let the time we have to throw the ball fool you into thinking our line has been great – it hasn’t. They’ve been blocking 3 to 4 guys a LOT the past couple of weeks. Hence the time. I think 4 of the 5 positions are fine, but we desperately need a center, and ASAP.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I just don’t understand how getting a better center is going to help Trent Edwards. People will continue to give us three man fronts until we find ways to beat them. Go ahead, get your center. Edwards still won’t have anyone to throw to.

I’m fascinated by this HUGE desire for a new center by so many Bills fans. Do you watch one of our games and go, man this offense would be ROLLING if we had a better center. If you do, I just find that really interesting. Because when I watch the games I say “Wow, Trent has plenty of time and no one is getting open”.

Maybe if you think a better center would help our run game I could see where you are coming from. However, as you can see from our last game, we run the ball pretty well.

Brian I know Preston isn’t that good of a center, but he is by no means the problem. And if we had receivers that could get open the bills offense would score a lot more points.

My question to you is, how does our offense get better if we get a better center. Let’s say we pay top dollar for matt birk, what changes besides the fact that we have a better center?

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 7:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

How does our offense get better if we get a center? We’ll actually be able to run on a 3-4 defense that doesn’t belong to Cleveland, for starters. That opens up the passing game for Edwards and our receivers.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 2, 2008 8:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The stat sheet says the Bills ran for a net total of 186 yards on 38 running plays. That’s 4.9 yards per rush. Last time I checked, that is pretty damn good!

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

you can’t honestly blame the running game for the Browns game. Josh Reed being out hurt us, but our receivers were pathetic. Lee evans didn’t have a catch. Roscoe had 1 catch. Steve Johnson was our best receiver with 3 catches. Marshawn had 10 catches, most likely dump offs if i remember correctly

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

You misunderstood me. I said we DID run well against Cleveland, but have been schooled by everyone else’s 3-4 scheme. (Jets, Pats, Miami…)

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 3, 2008 6:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

oh, I got you.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 3, 2008 6:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I’m fascinated by this HUGE desire for a new center by so many Bills fans. Do you watch one of our games and go, man this offense would be ROLLING if we had a better center. If you do, I just find that really interesting. Because when I watch the games I say "Wow, Trent has plenty of time and no one is getting open".

I think you have a solid point there. A superstar WR would do much more good for this offense than a superstar center would. I think people are clamoring for a new center because of how awful Preston is percieved to be. I do think that a league average center would do about as much good as a league average WR if you could add either one to this offense. People get psyched about a new center because it is a more realistic and acheivable possibility for this team.

My question to you is, how does our offense get better if we get a better center.

I think the biggest thing would be the ability to run up the middle (between the center and a guard) for positive yardage. How many times have you seen the Bills try to go right up the gut on 3rd or 4th with 1 yard to go and lose a foot or two because the center just gets blown up? A league average center would allow the Bills to pick up that one yard with a much higher success rate.

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 12:44 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

It is a good point. How much would a stud Center help an offense that has an OC that is clueless and a QB who sure seems scared to take chances and throw downfield.

If Turk showed any propensity to run it, and run it often, I think a stud Center would be an absolute necessity.

HOWEVER, the play we have received from the position the past however many years has been awful, simply awful. We’ve had guys who allow the entire line to collapse because of their ineptitude. I’m not sure I want to risk having just an average Center because I want a DOMINATING OL. I think guys like Dockery and Butler would really improve with a stud between them (gross). I really want us to have a great running game. Having that great Center would really help achieve that…

But I do see how adding a great playmaker at WR could really help our O more. At this point, in this offense, I don’t think a superstar WR would do a whole lot to help. Our QB refuses to throw to the open guys downfield, so what makes anyone think a superstar WR would change his ways??

It’s a shame that we have so many needs heading into this offseason, yet again. Center, DE, OLB, TE, OL depth, S, etc. If we do take Mack in round 1, where would we find a good pass rusher? I would hate to rely on 2nd and 3rd round picks for that. That’s why DE will continue to top my offseason lists until it is actually addressed, with Center being a good 2nd or 3rd round possibility. Some of the better Centers in the league were found late in the draft, or were undrafted.

Rambling over

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 3, 2008 12:55 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well when I say an average center, I mean someone who is average compared to the league’s 32 starters. An average player would be somewhere between the 12th and 20th best center in the league. I think the Bills LG, RG and RT are average or not much better and that certainly isn’t an insult. Its a matter of perspective.

I think a superstar WR just always makes a bigger difference than a superstar center would, but this could be a great debate for us to all have. I just think adding Larry Fitzgerald would do 5x more than adding Matt Birk or whoever the best center in the league is. I know Trent rarely takes shots downfield, but the Bills do have the 9th most completions of over 20 yards of any team in the entire league. I know I have used that number a bunch of times lately, but I have a hard time believing the Bills actually have more 20 yard pass plays than Indy, NE, GB, Pitt and both NY teams.

I’m with you this year that DE is definitely the number one priority, but I do think we could find one in round two or three. I doubt a speed rusher like Selvie or Everette Brown drops, but somebody out of Larry English, Brandon Graham, Connor Barwin, Philip Hunt, Matt Shaughnessy or Austin English will be the real deal. It is probably too risky to wait though. I’m thinking Michael Johnson and Gregg Hardy are the most likely candidates to be the Bills first round picks as of today (I’m assuming Orakpo is long gone 5-8 picks before Buffalo’s turn).

by kaisertown on Dec 3, 2008 1:24 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately a lot of those guys are 3-4 type OLB/rushers or situational guys in the 4-3. I really think if we plan to stick with this Tampon 2 garbage going forward, we need to find a true DE, not just a situational guy. Well, actually, if I had my way, we’d find an all-around DE AND a situational speed guy, but that’s probably not that likely….

~K

by Kurupt on Dec 3, 2008 2:36 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Now maybe I'm high again...

…but didn’t we get one of those situation-y guys in the draft in the third round this year? Ellis or something? I never heard from him again, I suppose. Of course I never heard from McKelvin or Hardy or Corner or Johnson either. Oh wait…

by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 3, 2008 7:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That’s a good point about the running up the middle.

However, I think if we get a good receiver our running game will improve. Part of the reason we can’t run is because we don’t have very good balance. I really hope hardy and johnson develop. I love antonio bryant as a bill though.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 3, 2008 6:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I disagree that receivers aren’t getting open. I saw receivers on more than a few occasions on Sunday that just didn’t get the ball, or didn’t get the ball when they were open. Edwards (and in some cases, Losman) weren’t getting the balls to the open receivers. Apparently it wasn’t just the pregame festivities either, because Chris Brown posted a blog entry earlier re: the number of times he saw receivers open while watching the game on tape.

If Brian can stomach rewatching the game on tape, maybe he can confirm or deny this.

by thatguy34 on Dec 2, 2008 7:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I don’t deny that receivers get open sometimes. Just not consistently enough. They also might get open after Trent Edwards gets to them on the progression. Basically, they don’t get open when they are supposed to. If Josh is the first read in the progression and he isn’t open then Trent moves on to the next guy. Lets say there are 3 or 4 reads. Josh might get open by the second read, but that is too late. Trent can’t just lock in on guys waiting for them to get open.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 7:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No, the problem is they get open, but he runs through his progression too quickly which ultimately, results in a dump off or a throw to a receiver who is standing still because they are waiting for the ball.

I’m not disputing the fact that we lack a true #2 wide receiver, although I think Josh Reed is vastly underrated. But the problem with the offense isn’t a lack of quality receivers or receivers not getting open. The problems on offense stem from the fact that we have a rookie offensive coordinator who doesn’t feed the ball to his best player (Lynch) nearly enough, a second year QB who is still learning the game (and his growth is currently being stunted by a OC who places far too much on his shoulders), and the fact that defenses consistently know what is coming because the previously mentioned OC is too predictable. Getting Bryant or Moore isn’t going to solve this team’s problems.

by thatguy34 on Dec 2, 2008 8:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Marshawn was very productive against the 49ers, so I feel Turk gave him the ball enough. The Bills got into the red zone, but then couldn’t convert. If he could only throw the FADE TO HARDY!!!!! I scream that at the T.V every time we get in the red zone

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Marshawn was very productive against the 49ers, so I feel Turk gave him the ball enough.

I’m gonna give you an opportunity to either retract that statement, or perhaps “reword” it. If you honestly believe giving Marshawn Lynch, the toughest runner in the NFL and the Bills best offensive weapon, 16 carries in game where he was averaging 8 yards a carry is enough, then we don’t have anything further to discuss. When someone’s “very productive” you keep giving them the ball. It’s sort of like in NBA Jam when one of your players was “on fire.” Keep chucking it up, cuz they’re gonna make it. Seriously, you’re upset with the fact that they didn’t throw a fade to a man who has 9 catches in 12 games, but you’re okay with not giving the ball to a running back who is averaging 8 yards a carry? Seriously?

by thatguy34 on Dec 2, 2008 8:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The Bills were in the red zone 4 times. You can’t just keep running the ball in the red zone because defenses know you are going to run.

It’s not about the carries, it’s about the yards. Marshawn breaking a 60 yard run is the same as him running it 10 strait times for 6 yards each time. Except running it 10 times takes up more clock. If you take away the big runs, marshawn would have had more carries.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If you take away the big run, at 5 or 6 carries, you wouldn’t be complaining. No offense, that is just the truth.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

i mean’t to say “add” 5 or 6 carries

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

First, I’m not entirely sure what you are even saying, but regardless, I will continue.

No, it’s not about carries, and its not about yards. Its about average yards per carry and run-pass balance. Throwing the ball 38 times in awful weather, with a very young QB, when he’s hurt, compared with running the ball 16 times (or 20 or 21 carries with w/e you did above) is STILL RIDICULOUS. If they ran the ball 10 more times, I still might not be happy. Even taking away Lynch’s long run, he was still averaging 5.5 yards a carry. When someone is averaging 8.4 yards a carry (or 5.5 w/o the long run), you continue to run the ball because obviously the defense cannot stop him.

And you can’t run in the red zone because the defense knows you’re going to run? Perhaps you should tell that to the Titans, or Giants, or Panthers, or Falcons. For some reason, none of those teams seem to have an issue with scoring rushing td’s in the red zone.

by thatguy34 on Dec 2, 2008 9:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

First of all, The Giants have a much better run blocking offensive line. Also, when the Giants get in the Redzone, they often pass the ball to the 1 or 2 yardline, at which point they can run it in. The Bills often can’t pass the ball to get to the point where they can run it in.

So to answer your question claim that the giants don’t have trouble running it in. It’s because they run the ball in from close to the goal line.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 9:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

What difference does it make how they do it? They run the football inside the 10 yard line. Something that is apparently foreign to the Bills. And perhaps the Giants have had a better run blocking line this season, yet the Giants weren’t the team averaging 8.4 yards a carry on Sunday. That would be the Bills.

Essentially you’re saying, the Bills got 130 yards rushing. That’s enough. Don’t wanna get too greedy. We should stop now.

by thatguy34 on Dec 2, 2008 9:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

lol. Look dude. You can’t just keep running the ball, you need to be able to pass it. I know you think the Bills would have been successful if they ran the ball way more. And that is fine of you do think that. You are acting like if the Bills don’t run the ball X number of times in the game, then they didn’t run the ball enough.

However, there were a lot of little things that did not enable us to run the ball as much. A lot of drives the Bills would not get good yardage on first or second down. And then on second down the QB couldn’t find anyone, so then they had to pass it on third.

For example: If the Bills could get a 4 yd pass on first down, then they could run nthe ball on second and 3rd. Or they could put together different combinations. But the Bills couldn’t set themselves up to run the ball as much as you would have liked.

You might say, well if passing isn’t working then just run it. But that is not the way it works. And you know that. At some point in the game, the Bills needed to establish a passing game. The reason they threw so much, is because their receivers couldn’t find a way to threaten the 49ers in the passing game.

idk if that will make sense to you.

We should have Turk on this board.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 10:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Okay, dude. You can continue to ignore, refuse to read, or simply not understand my previous posts if it makes it easier to prove your point. Not once did I say the Bills need to run the ball X number of times in the game; in fact, I actually already said the number of carries don’t matter.

When you’re averaging 8.4 yards doing something, it’s pretty simple. Keep doing it. If they ran 16 tackle eligibles, and they were averaging 8.4 yards a play, keep doing it. If they ran 16 qb sneaks, and were averaging 8.4 yards a play, keep doing it. If they averaged 8.4 yards a pass attempt, keep passing. If you are marching the ball up and down the field via the run, why the hell would you stop just because you get inside the 10 yard line? If you rack up 130 yards in 3 quarters running the ball, why the hell would you run only once in the fourth quarter?

At some point in the game, the Bills needed to establish a passing game.

They tried to establish a passing game. 38 times to be exact. They averaged 5.5 yards/attempt. Meanwhile, the run game (as I’ve stated a few times above already), was averaging 8 yards a play.

The reason they threw so much, is because their receivers couldn’t find a way to threaten the 49ers in the passing game.

I don’t even know what that means. So, they found a way to exploit the 49ers (using the run), and they couldn’t find a way to establish any sort of passing game, so they should continue to throw? Stop doing what works. Continue doing what is not working. Got it. Check.

I’m not gonna continually repeat myself. If you somehow think 16 carries for a back that is eating a defense alive is okay, when your pass game is absolutely horrendous, then fine. That’s your prerogative. Personally, I think it was absolutely ridiculous. And it would appear that the media that covers this team, Brian, the majority of the other posters on this blog, Lee Evans, Jason Peters, and even Dick Jauron himself would agree with me.

I’m done arguing in circles. Have a good night. Go Bills.

by thatguy34 on Dec 2, 2008 10:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The Giants run the ball 32 times a game and pass the ball 31 times a game. They also have an effective passing game, which is a reason why they run the ball well.

The Bills can’t just keep giving the ball to marshawn. They need to show they can’t beat the defense by passing.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 9:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If Tom Brady averages 30 yards a pass, and he only throws the ball 10 times. Did he not throw the ball enough?

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 9:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Are you kidding me? If Tom Brady has thrown for 300 yards on 10 passes, you can bet your bottom dollar that McDaniels, Belichek, and Brady are gonna call about 25 more pass plays.

by thatguy34 on Dec 2, 2008 9:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I might be wrong on this, but while at the game my brother and I noticed that there would be receivers open (see Lee Evans quite a bit, most noticeably on the 4th down in the red zone), but Trent would stare down his first read for 3 seconds or so. By then, there was someone bearing down on him. If someone watches the game and sees that I am wrong let me know, but that’s how it seemed to me.

by pozzed51 on Dec 2, 2008 8:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Lee was open on a crossing route. Losman was in for that play. Still, just 1 td. Not saying that you don’t have more examples.

by buffaloboy90 on Dec 2, 2008 8:40 PM EST