Ralph Wilson's front office plans are a joke
Just a day removed from a 30-23 victory over the Denver Broncos, Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson spoke about the future of his franchise. Head coach Dick Jauron, his front office and his players, obviously, were the three main topics of discussion.
The key points are below, with a few random thoughts/pleas of my own added on... to say I'm not happy is putting it lightly.
On Dick Jauron's future
Obviously the hot-button topic in Buffalo remains the tentative job status of Jauron. According to Ralph, he'll make a decision on his coach's future in the next couple of weeks.
Bills owner Ralph Wilson told The Associated Press on Monday he still hasn't made up his mind, but he will use a series of end-of-season meetings with his top executives to come to a conclusion.
The meetings will take place between Wilson, Vice President of College Scouting Tom Modrak and COO Russ Brandon. Oh, and a fourth party will be present at the meetings - Jauron himself. Yes, you read that correctly - as bizarre as it sounds, Jauron will be an active participant in the meetings that conceivably will determine his immediate future with this franchise.
If that doesn't scream "Jauron is staying!", I don't know what does. Ralph has given hints all along that he's leaning toward retaining Jauron, but this development in itself is our biggest clue yet. No, we still haven't heard anything about his supposed contract extension. But if Jauron is part of the meetings that will shape the club's future, you have to imagine that he's a part of said future.
Moving on to much more disturbing items on the agenda.
On the front office structure
Surprise! Ralph is tinkering with his front office power structure again.
Wilson is also preparing to tinker with the power structure within his front office by providing Modrak a larger voice in football decisions by adding him to what the owner called, "the inner circle."
Great. Fine. The Bills want another football voice involved in the decision-making process. Clearly, something had to change after Buffalo's collapse, and since Jauron essentially had final say over all things personnel, he's apparently having some of those rights stripped as his "punishment" for his team's demise. Fantastic. Modrak's the most deserving in-house candidate; he's got 32 years of NFL experience, has a good relationship with Ralph and with Jauron, and has a solid team of scouts. Clearly, Brandon can't shoulder more responsibilities, so Modrak fits the bill.
But if you're going to tinker, Ralph, DO IT RIGHT! The following line makes me want to rip the hair from my skull - and let's just say that at the tender age of 23, I can't afford to lose much more hair...
Wilson foresees a small committee of executives overseeing the franchise's daily operation.
"We're going to have a lot more communication between the top people," Wilson said. "One man's not going to be calling the shots."
When has this EVER worked at the NFL level? Ralph is buying a bit too heavily into the "consensus" approach instilled by Marv Levy when he was hired as the team's "GM" in 2006. Marv wanted a team effort in putting a team on the field; Wilson's aim is a council of elders making decisions. There's a fundamental difference between the two approaches; Levy's plan features leadership, and Wilson's plan is devoid of it. It's not what Levy had in mind, and it's a recipe for disaster.
Ralph is part of this "inner circle". So is Brandon. Jauron's been the decision-maker for three years now. Negotiator extraordinaire Jim Overdorf is very likely closely associated with this circle as well. Now Modrak is being added to the equation. Pirate ships don't have five co-captains, folks, they have one captain who'll rip your head off if you cause him to miss out on some loot.
The Bills NEED "one man calling the shots". You can have consensus without a group of elders. This isn't a cult, Ralph, it's an NFL franchise. Who's the head coach supposed to turn to when he's got to talk to the boss? A roundtable? That's absurd. Get over the Tom Donahoe crap, Mr. Wilson - yes, he screwed your franchise for years, but you had the right idea giving him the type of power you gave him. You just need to find the right Donahoe this time around - and there are several outstanding candidates (Scott Pioli, anyone?!).
This crap drives me nuts. If this is Ralph's plan in terms of front office structure, then the Buffalo Bills are screwed until he figures out he's going on Year Two of his biggest mistake ever. That's really the long and short of it. Forget the coach, forget the quarterback, forget everything - this team isn't winning anything until Ralph gets this horse-pucky idea out of his head.
On the players
Ralph likes the fact that his players don't quit, and he especially likes QB Trent Edwards:
"He took a heck of a lot of shots in that cold weather and really played well, I thought," Wilson said. "I think we have a big future at quarterback."
That's great. But wait... wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago, after an epic fail in Toronto, that Ralph proclaimed his team had no talent? Now I'm confused. I'm glad he likes Trent, but I'm getting mixed signals.
Long story short
Boy, I'll tell you what - Wilson's got impeccable timing. The Bills just pulled off a huge upset win in Denver, and - surprise! - guess what fans were talking about? A potential upset of New England in the season finale to spoil the Pats' season, and you know, other positive things. It was a refreshing change, but now Wilson has thrown the shadow of doubt that hung with the team for three months back over the franchise with one fateful phone call from the AP.
I liked hearing very little of what I've gleaned from this report. The front office situation is a joke, even though I'm a fan of Modrak getting more say in football decisions. What's the problem with just making him the full-blown GM, Ralph? The elders approach is absurd, and with people like VP of Pro Personnel John Guy supposedly OUT of the "inner circle", this menagerie of a front office is primed for a seismic power struggle.
If I'm guessing right about Jauron and his being here in 2009, I almost feel bad for him. I feel bad for this young team. Our front office lacks leadership and direction, and it's affecting the team in terms of coaching and on-field performance. We don't have an organizational leader. WE NEED A LEADER. I like consensus, but not at the expense of organizational leadership. No matter who the coach of this team is and no matter what players we bring in, the Buffalo Bills are doomed to Detroit Lion-esque mediocrity until that front office leadership is found. The menagerie isn't going to cut it.
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Brian I coulda saved you a bunch of time on this article.......(and a bunch of money by switching to Geico)
Ralph Wilson’s front office plans are a joke
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 23, 2008 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It really seems to me that by pulling Jauron into the meeting on his own future it is pretty apparent that I’m going to get my wish and keep Jauron while dropping Schonert.
This just sounds like the kind of meeting in which they tell Jauron that he only stays if he ditches Turk and that he is going to lose some decision making power.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Dec 23, 2008 12:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt they drop Turk......
for as big on “consistancy” as Ralph (seems) to be right now…….dropping the ROOKIE OC doesnt seem like such a smart play to me……
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 23, 2008 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see this team firing the OC or DC (although i like him now) until Jauron is gone. Plain and simple that will not happen with the current regime.
by ballinbills1315 on Dec 23, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Dropping Turk has everything to do with wins and losses. Talk about consistancy….. he has NONE. This was the most inconsistant play calling ive seen in a long time, and actually cost the bills a couple losses in my opinion.
by rcrumpley44 on Dec 24, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely agree with you on this 100%
What other team has this kind of organization?…no one. The only other team that doesn’t have a GM title (maybe the Jags too?) is the Pats, but we all know who is in charge.
I’m not as excited about Modrak though. He has been the one common factor from Donahoe on which has been defined by historically bad drafts (debatable recently).
What this organization really needs is an outside voice with some power in the organization. Maybe someone to offer a dissenting opinion to this Brain Trust fart.
by evdawg419 on Dec 23, 2008 12:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What a joke
As if we weren’t doomed to mediocrity with the players and coaches we have….Thanks Ralphie
Seriously, does this type of approach work anywhere in anything?
It’s too bad there is nobody there that can tell Ralph how dumb this whole idea is. I doubt any of the “inner circle” wants to disrupt that and lose power, and I can’t imagine Ralph would bother listening to any of the other minions if they voiced their opinion. Maybe we need Marv or Jimbo or someone not involved in the day to day operations telling Ralph to wisen up. Yeah, I doubt that would happen….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 23, 2008 12:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Ralphie just likes hearing himself talk at this point.
And every time he talks he says something stupid. Most kids would have their father in a home at this point.
by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2008 1:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he meetings will take place between Wilson, Vice President of College Scouting Tom Modrak and COO Russ Brandon. Oh, and a fourth party will be present at the meetings – Jauron himself. Yes, you read that correctly – as bizarre as it sounds, Jauron will be an active participant in the meetings that conceivably will determine his immediate future with this franchise.
If that doesn’t scream “Jauron is staying!”, I don’t know what does. Ralph has given hints all along that he’s leaning toward retaining Jauron, but this development in itself is our biggest clue yet. No, we still haven’t heard anything about his supposed contract extension. But if Jauron is part of the meetings that will shape the club’s future, you have to imagine that he’s a part of said future.
As a Ravens fan, I disagree. This is exactly what was said about Brian Billick last year with the minor change that owner Steve Bisciotti explicitly said Brian was going to be our coach this year. We have the same end of year committee with (I believe) Ozzie Newsome, Steve Bisciotti, Dick Cass, and the HC. It’s essentially the same positions, with the exception that we have a GM, so our director of scouting (Eric DaCosta), isn’t present in this highest of high circles.
by math_geek on Dec 23, 2008 1:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s our lack of a GM, or a final decision maker, that is such a problem for us.
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 23, 2008 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That I can’t argue with. It does seem that the majority of the good teams have a legit GM.
Of course a number of the really bad ones do to.
by math_geek on Dec 23, 2008 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think that it is necessarily the lack of a GM, but the lack of someone with a little gumption that can stand up to Ralph and the others and say “Listen! Your wrong we need to do X instead of Y.” I just don’t see anyone in this “inner circle” that would be willing to do that which is why everything will be muddled for the next few year…
Get ready for some pain next year Bills fans.
by ballinbills1315 on Dec 23, 2008 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From Ralph's lips to my cringing ears
“I don’t know why he hasn’t had a better record,” Wilson said. “He’s a heck of a good guy. And the players, I haven’t seen them not play hard for him. They have played hard in the wins and the losses. I’m optimistic about our future.”
Really Ralph? You don’t know why he doesn’t have a better record? Have you seen his typical game day coaching and overall management and preparation for said games?
Jauron is going nowhere……
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 23, 2008 2:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And until he does we will be stuck in the same 7-9 or 8-8 mold… Nothing is going to change because this team has no fire, no passion.
by ballinbills1315 on Dec 23, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for at least one more year.....to painful to think beyond that!
"If you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter."
by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, here comes another season of either 7-9 or worse;
Honestly, this week was looking SO great for Bills fans. We got a surprise X-Mas gift from the team on Sun, were looking OK against a Pats team whose D is looking old, so we have hope for an upset just before New Years, AND I SOMEHOW BEAT MARV FOR THE RL3 league title! But, lo and behold Wilson opens his freaking mouth and RUINS it all for us. Thanks a whole freaking bunch Ralphie.
ARGH! Thats all I have to say after reading that article. Ralph really just needs to do one of two things: Make SOMEONE in the “Inner (cough cough HACK) Circle” the GM, OR go outside the organization and find someone with solid football smarts and good scouting skills to be our GM (Scott Pioli would be my choice, but doubt he would come here due to his friendship with Billy Boy). If Ralph had done either of those things, I could accept it with an open willingness to give it time to work. But as you said Brian, this is just a continuation of the mess till he dies, YE FOOTBALL GODS!
As for DJs fate, I think that might be a different discussion at this time till these “Meetings” take place. My guess is he gets a year to year deal with the understanding that Turk goes.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on Dec 23, 2008 2:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
dude Brian.....
you need to chillax a little man. It’s a pretty ridiculous assertion to say that because we don’t have an autocratic GM our team’s on-field performance is suffering. Because before every snap, our players are thinking “man, we don’t have a GM… how am I supposed to sack the QB without a GM?”
I think we all agree around here that the Bills have some pretty decent personnel on their roster with a few weaknesses (what team doesn’t have some holes?). So, how is giving Modrak a little more say in those decisions “absurd?”
Everybody knows this team is underachieving, but what on God’s earth does that have to do with the front office structure? GMs don’t come up with the game plan or the playbook or teach technique… coaches do. As long as the Bills keep bringing in talented players who work their tails off I don’t give a damn who or whom is running the front office. “Detroit Lions mediocrity?” Are you kidding me? You’re really going to compare what our front office is doing to what Matt Millen has done?
You think an inner circle causes a power struggle…. OK. Well, how many power struggles can you think of between coaches/GMs/owners? I can think of half a dozen in under 10 seconds. Look at poor Romeo Crenell, he was forced to bench his QB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. Can you blame Ralph Wilson for wanting to have his thumb on things?
I’m not really arguing that one way is better than the other… but it’s too early to call our rearranged front office a bust…. seeing it has not even manifested itself yet. You’re usually pretty good at NOT jumping to conclusions or making premature judgments, but you whiffed on levelheadedness this time.
The Bills have done a good job of accumulating talented and hard working players… the responsibility to produce a winning product is now in the coaches hands, not this “inner circle.”
"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."
by ForeignArrow on Dec 23, 2008 3:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think what Brian is really trying to say is.................
Ralph – you can polish this TURD all you want…….but in the end……you’re really only giving us…….a POLISHED TURD…………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 23, 2008 4:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. The premise of my article wasn’t that players are worried about getting sacks without a GM, but I appreciate the sarcasm, I guess.
Giving Modrak more power isn’t absurd, and I said as much. I like Modrak. Ralph tweaking his idiotic front office structure so that it appears he’s making some changes is what’s absurd.
And yes, I’m going to compare our front office with the only other franchise that has missed as many consecutive years of NFL playoffs as we have.
I’m not arguing that we have a nice talent base. I just don’t think having a clusterf*#$ as your front office power structure is the way to build an NFL winner. You can say I’m jumping to conclusions prematurely; that’s your opinion. I just have a very, very strong feeling that it’s not going to work.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 6:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to get upset about Wilson’s comments and his plans at this point. It’s way to early to pass judgement. Given Wilson’s track record I’m not expecting this to be a smashing success but I believe this team can move forward with a few improved pieces on the field and better game day decisions by the coaching staff.
by gatornation on Dec 23, 2008 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I might be able to concede that the Bills could luck into the playoffs once or twice under this type of structure. But it ain’t going to be frequent, and I’ll still maintain it’s not the way to build a consistent winner.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the onlyl
issue this poses for me, is that when a tough decision needs to be made, and people disagree “who has final say?” I argued with Brian on this previously, and I contend to agree that Ralph is still the final decision maker. So a committee of Brandon, Jauron, Modrak, Ralph, sit down, discuss their targets for Free Agency, develop a plan, and go after players. They do the same thing with the draft. However, when a crucial decision has to be made like do we give him an extra $5 million in bonus money, do we take McKelvin, who pulls that trigger?
I don’t see this as being a terrible thing for the organization. Modrak has been here for a decade, Brandon is simply a puppet, and Jauron knows what he wants. This is just Wilson’s ego getting the best of him. But giving Modrak more power is 100% correct on what Ralph should be doing. Modrak is a talent-savvy guy who has been around the league for close to 4 decades. The key is the communication and the relationships between these men in the inner-circlu amiable enough for it to produce positive results? I agree with Foreign Arrow competely. As long as they keep on doing what they’ve been doing in bringing in good, young talent, they will be fine. It doesn’t worry me one bit
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 23, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But giving Modrak more power is 100% correct on what Ralph should be doing. Modrak is a talent-savvy guy who has been around the league for close to 4 decades.
I’d say it’s more 90% correct. I’m with you on liking Modrak. I just think that if you’re giving one guy the power, give him all of it. I hate this “inner circle” approach. At the very least, there needs to be a figurehead…
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
on figurehead. Warrow of the AP who wrote this article said on WGR this morning a couple of key points:
1) Modrak loved Cutler in 2006 and the only reason we passed on him was cuz Ralph and the organization weren’t giving up on JP Losman. But it was Modrak who loved him
2) Ralph is still bitter about Pat Williams leaving. Donahoe’s deciison. Donahoe said “we don’t sign 30 year olds”
3) Ralph is more than willing to spend money on Free Agency. He wants to win. But he just won’t trust anyone outside the organization
I think if we give Modrak more power we would be better off. I’d be all for him being GASP, “GM.”
McCargo had to be a “need” pick and they blew that. They do a sound job developing OL like Butler, Peters and now Bell. The key really is if Edwards is the guy, the Bills will continue to add key off-season personnel like Stroud & Mitchell last year.
Anyhow, all this story does is confirm to me that a) Jauron will be back b) Ralph really does want to win c) he doesn’t trust anyone outside the organization d) drafing a 1st round QB that doesn’t work out sets your franchise back 5-10 years f) Donahoe was an idiot e) Lynch was the greatest pick this organization has had in a decade or more
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 23, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
that Modrak wants that responsibility. I thought he still lives outside of WNY (PA somwhere) and has publicly stated that he is happy with what he is doing and didn’t want to go down the GM road again.
by gatornation on Dec 23, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Modrak lives in Jacksonville, actually. And you’re right in that he might not want full-blown GM responsibilities.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
Modrak saying he didn’t want that responsibility. Maybe not giving Modrak the title of GM but bringing him “in the circle” is Wilson’s way of getting more input from Modrak. I’m being overly optimistic but I’m choosing not to think of the alternative.
by gatornation on Dec 23, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Modrak saying he didn’t want that responsibility.
your right gator – he declined GM twice if my memory serves me correct. Ralph has wanted him in for a while but Modrak likes the road and scouting.
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
by J2 on Dec 23, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess giving modrak more say is the best case in the worst case scenario that we seem to be faced with, if that makes any sense.
by gatornation on Dec 23, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Arrow!
It’s not what Levy had in mind, and it’s a recipe for disaster.
First, you don’t know what Marv had in mind… But more importantly, all he said was that Modrack would have more control, he never said that Modrack would not have final say on some of the football matters? And last I checked it is Wilson who is the president so he must have final say, not that I agree with this but there IS someone with final say – we just don’t like who it is.
I agree with Arrow
the responsibility to produce a winning product is now in the coaches hands, not this "inner circle."
But I would add that with Modrack having a bigger say will be beneficial in many ways because I seriously doubt that he’s the type of individual that would not pressure the HC into preparing better game plans, getting the ball into Marshawn’s hands, etc. So at least we can hope for improvement in that area.
Although I agree that overall our drafting and recognition of quality players has been slightly above average, I find that our decision making has not always been very smart. I’ve said this before and I will say it again, I find that Jauron has drafted too may DBs since he’s been in place and has not done nearly enough on the lines. I still contend to this day that the Whitner pick over Ngata was a huge error because we had to trade back up to get McCargo. I have no idea if Modrack agreed with it or not but just knowing that the roles will be more clearly defined is a great relief because Jauron should not have had final say on personnel.
I remain optimistic that Jauron will be shown the door. He is a lousy game day coach. He is a great man and a coach that the players seem to love but this is a business and frankly I am not sure that I really care if they like their HC or not, what counts are results and under Jauron we have not seen any. The positive thing about promoting Modrack is that we save some $$$ and we keep the overall team direction intact so I could see them pursuing a guy like Spagnuolo to replace Jauron. He is a young and up-coming coach, his plaers love him in NY, he is a 4-3 guy so we minimize the impact, he comes from a smash-mouth run the football team… There are only positives. If Ralph is serious about wanting to win next year and truly believes in the “ring-of-power” then he needs to crack open his checkbook and get Spags in here ASAP, this guy brings the piece that’s missing from Jauron, Emotions & Aggressiveness
BEAST MODE, During the week plan on it & on game day thrive on it!
GO BILLS!
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First, you don’t know what Marv had in mind…
Well, he made it pretty clear what he wanted when he signed on. All it takes is looking back and reading what he said…
If Ralph is serious about wanting to win next year and truly believes in the "ring-of-power" then he needs to crack open his checkbook and get Spags in here ASAP, this guy brings the piece that’s missing from Jauron, Emotions & Aggressiveness
I thought sireric had dispelled that argument. Guess not.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All I heard was that because Spags is a hot commodity we would not be in the running. I also heard that because we are in Buffalo, we are unable to attract any serious candidate unless we pay more.
I think that money talks and if we truly wanted him that we could get him.
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s just it – we don’t truly want him, because Wilson is dead set against the idea of going outside the organization.
And I was referring to the whole “emotions & aggressiveness” thing when I mentioned sireric’s old post.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you point me to his post, I am interested in reading it. I must have dozed off for a few days when he originally posted it! I am not a young buck like you guys! I need my beauty sleep!!
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL either you just forgot about it, or you were sleep-walking through the dozen-plus comments you made on said thread. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sirelic did not dispell anything...
I though you meant that Sirelic wrote a post on Spags..
I am not referring to DJ’s demeanor, I am referring to his lack of aggressiveness on defensive game-planning. I hate the “soft” bend but don’t break attitude that he has. He’s a wimp that is afraid to give up the big play so much that our defense has a hard time getting off the field. This affects our ability to win the turn over battle and also rarely gives our offense good field position. He is not aggressive!!
As far as the emotions side goes, I think it’s hard to separate the emotions from the aggression (or in DJ’s case lack thereof). I want a coach that gets pissed off at loosing and does something about it. Not a guy that is simply content with mediocrity and effort. I’ve been coaching football for years. I’ve coached AA teams and AAA teams. When I coach a AA team my mindset is to teach & encourage effort. When I coach AAA it’s to win and my mindset is much different because I reward effort but not at the expense of quality. I push my players hard and I hold them accountable for on the field errors and I am also quite involved and critical with my coordinators. We adjust during the season and we constantly are reviewing our effectiveness. We play to win – period. I am a very calm & professional individual but I am also very high strung and emotional and coaches & players are very aware of my will to win and they most definitely respond to that in a positive way. My assistant coaches understand our basic philosophies and we game plan very well and come game-day we are able to adjust quickly.
My problem with DJ is that he does not look like a guy that wants to win, he certainly has never shown during a game that he is willing to make adjustments and the overall product suffers as a result. Loosing 7 of 8 games is extremely disappointing given the 5-1 start so to expect the coach to show some will to win and make the necessary adjustment is definitely not too much to ask for..
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a coach that gets pissed off at loosing and does something about it. Not a guy that is simply content with mediocrity and effort.
Ugh… not firing off like a loose cannon after a loss is NOT synonymous with “content with mediocrity and effort”. Just because you don’t see Jauron throwing a hissy fit on the sidelines or at reporters doesn’t mean he isn’t getting after his players and urging them to perform better. I HATE the “Jauron is content with mediocrity” argument, because NO NFL COACH is content with mediocrity. They’re all competitors.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Urg... yourself!
Again I don’t give a sh%?t what he does on the field but when they come in game in and game out with the same stupid game plans without any adjustments – then I completely blame him! When I say that he does not look like a guy that wants to win, I am not referring to the fact that he doesn’t yell, spit or throw guys under the bus.. I actually respect that in him. I am talking about the fact that the following game they come out and try to do the exact same frigging thing!! then the next game they do it again and again and again!!!! That my friend is where I have a serious issue with this wimp of a coach! It is completely unacceptable that it took 5-6 games before they even remotely started to hand the ball off to Marshawn with any consistency. They remain to this date completely predictable in their stupid formations and they still pass way too much when they get into the redzone.
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you responded Keysh
Tried to write a similar response but it got lost in the ether somewhere.
Yeah, the issue for me is not his composure. I can and do respect Jauron for not behaving like a child. But, as Keysh said, it’s the expectation of losing for some clear reasons and not doing a darn thing about it, either in game or in the next several games. That’s infuriating.
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you guys
It is not just about a bad game here or there, it is his body of work over the past 3 years. Jauron’s learning curve looks to much like a straight line.
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The absence of results renders your leadership meaningless…Leadership is not a position; It’s a process that produces the desired results. If you don’t produce the results – if you can’t execute – you are not a leader…Leaders get paid for results, not from being right
by Zumone on Dec 23, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There. Those are the specifics I was looking for.
I still disagree with you, particularly on the notion that being stubborn in game-planning makes one a “wimp”. That makes no sense to me, but I’ll endure.
I need to learn to keep my mouth shut on the Jauron thing, because it inevitably leads to redundant arguments and straying off-topic. My bad.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Offense: Wimp because he is unable or unwilling to effect change with Schonert – maybe because he is affraid to take charge or maybe because he doesn’t know how but just continuing to do the same thing over and over again does not show any sign of having any balls!
Defense: Wimp because he is unable or unwilling to effect change with Fewel – Our Defensive scheme is so afraid of giving up the big play that we give all the underneath stuff and never get off the field. That my friend is a very coward way of coaching. A little aggression goes a long way, at creating turnovers, momentum change, positive field position, etc. Obviously you can get burned once and a while but the risk is worth the reward. Most of the top defenses play with a lot of aggression and they control their own destinies. We have better players than we think, we just shield them behind a wimpy defensive scheme that is afraid of giving up big plays.
I for one am not satisfied with this wimpy approach and would like to see a real coach come in and let our players play football. The buls%?t excuse that we don’t want to start over is crap because when you look at the Dolphins, who changed everything front the front office, coaching staff and players but yet within one year lead the divisioin and are on the verge of making the playoffs! We have all the basic pieces in place to make a solid push but the time has come to get someone to lead us there!
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m gonna go ahead and disagree again. Don’t you think there’s a chance that Jauron doesn’t screw with his coordinators because he believes they need to learn from their mistakes? I’m not saying it’s the best approach, but it’s not “wimpy”, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it sure isn't smart!
If you see, in the future, your child playing out in the street, are you going to let them learn from their mistake? Or, if they keep banging their head against the wall, are you going to see how long it takes before they knock themselves out? If that is what it takes for these coaches to learn, maybe they shouldn’t be coaching. As a parent/head coach, you have to look out for the best interest of the child/coordinator and intervene if they are doing something that is not a good idea. You know, like not using press coverage to stop the short passing game or putting the game in the butter soaked fingers of your backup QB instead of feeding the beast!
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well said Joe!
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a faulty analogy. Assistant coaches are not children.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is why it is an analogy
It was meant to show the responsibility of the hopefully wiser parent/head coach was to protect the less experienced child/coordinators from committing fatal mistakes or repeating stupid ones.
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but children are stupid, Joe. NFL coaches (well, most of them) are not. Any run-of-the-mill league coordinator knows how to beat an opponent. They don’t need to be micromanaged the way you’re suggesting; they need to coach.
Everyone lumps the four-game losing streak into one big game, but that’s not how it went at all. Yes, we remained painfully predictable, but the Bills tried different things in each game (the first three division games and the loss to the Browns). I’m not acquitting Jauron or his assistants for their plans in those games, but some of the league’s best coaches (Tony Dungy is a prime example) aren’t micromanagers.
Fault Jauron for his career record and our demise this year. That’s really all that matters. Everything else is, to me, incredibly debatable material that in the long run doesn’t hold much water for either side.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying that the coordinators should be
micromanaged. But there are times in the game when a head coach can lean over and say.“Hey Turk, they can’t stop the run, JP has fumbled or thrown picks at critical times in the past. Keep pounding it with Lynch”
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument here. And who’s to say that Jauron hasn’t done that? We don’t know what goes on on the sidelines during a game, we can only guess.
And my original point was that not micromanaging your subordinates does not make one a “wimp”.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will give you that, but
if Turk has not listened to Jauron’s advice during games, then he should be fired. The boss’s orders can’t be ignored.
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure glad I had a meeting to attend
Joe you’ve argues well. I agree.
Either way you look at it Brian, Jauron is responsible for the results and he can choose to manage which ever way he chooses but at the end of the day we hold him accountable and nobody else because he is the “boss” and he is the only one than can affect change.
Micromanage or not, to take 5 games to start committing to the run is a total non-sense when you have a backs like Marshwan Lynch and Freddy Jackson. It is totally unacceptable. And you can say what you want about DJ but his style on defense is absolutely “Wimpy”
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have an incredible view of micromanaging. Micromanaging, in my mind, in this example, would be standing over the coordinator nearly every play, saying, “Do this. Wait, no, why are you doing that? I think we need to do this…”
Going to them after each game (or maybe after crucial in-game situations), making their mistakes clear and your expectations for improvement clear and THEN demanding different/better results is NOT micromanaging.
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's managing
That is what a head coach is supposed to do!
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, I was trying to respond to Brian here.
by thefourwinds on Dec 24, 2008 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If that is truly the case and I seriously doubt it but if it is, then I agree that it’s no wimpy just incompetent and foolish. This is not a school, this is a professional football team and results are expected. Before you jump all over me with this, I am not suggesting that there can’t be a little bit of a learning curve but 7-8 games is way too much. But again, I seriously doubt that Jauron has deliberately not gotten involved so that they would learn from their mistakes and besides he would have needed to at least point out that they were committing mistakes in the first place.
He’s a wimp and a mediocre coach at best, just face it!
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never made a claim to the contrary that Jauron is anything but an average coach. I just think calling him a “wimp” because of his decision to let his assistant coaches coach is a bit absurd.
I’m not saying he’s completely non-involved in game planning. He’s obviously in charge of that, and he’s had bad ones this year. I’m saying that IN-GAME, he lets his coaches make adjustments. And I’m also proposing that “stubborn” or “believer of his own schema” is a better word/phrase to use than “wimp”, because he’s NOT a wimp. Calling someone a wimp sounds like we’re in 8th grade.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His scheme is entirely based on taking away the big plays at the expense of giving away the short stuff and in my opinion that is a man that lacks confidence.
Lack of confidence = Afraid = Wimp
8th grade? I can’t even remember that far back!
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be just dumb
This is the NFL. There’s no time for coaches to learn from their increasingly numerous mistakes. If these guys have so many mistakes to learn from, they shouldn’t be freakin’ coordinators.
That is exactly why so many of us harp on being stuck in mediocrity. Letting coordinators constantly learn from their mistakes, with little to no direction, is not exactly smart or a good way to win….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 23, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who says there’s no direction? The changes were made, were they not? It just took a little longer than we’d have liked.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A little?
We went from being a “lock” to make the playoffs to being out of them and that’s finally when the changes were made.
by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you related to Dick?
The way you stick up for him it’s like he’s your father in law or something.
Normally what you say is quite thought out but when we get onto this subject you seem less objective. This argument might have had value after the 2nd loss and maybe even the 3rd but at this point there is no way that you can logically defend his record.
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it happened later than it should have. What more do you want from me?!
Can’t we just agree to disagree and drop the whole damn subject? This article was about Ralph, after all…
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It started off that way but..
I clearly responded to the original article and expressed my thoughts on why granting Modrak more power was a good thing which would be even better with a new coach.
You didn’t like me saying that Jaron was lacking emotions & aggression. You made a wisecrack and it got me started. I am more than willing to rest my case and agree to disagree because my opinion will not change on this subject.
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by keysh67 on Dec 24, 2008 6:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brain,
Ralf has asked me to tell you not to use the word “dead” in the same sentence with his name. I told him that jri111, sireric, Kurupt, and you would get together and come up with a consensus decision. :-)
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
The Triumvirate is The Triumvirate. I’m the figurehead of the group. So what I’m saying is we should run the Bills.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Ron is the O-line coach!
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, yeah, that could be arranged. K can be the head coach, Eric will take D, John the O, and I’ll be the GM.
Man, I’d be an awesome GM.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since I am the oldest and have questionable sanity,
I am Ralf. Brain, your first job as GM is to draft Mack in the 1st round or I will fire your A$$! HaaaHaaaaaa!!!!!! I am drunk with power already:-)
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm
dick jauron…my players love me…..everyone hates me and every question I answer "well we certainly would love to be 15-0, but we’re 7-8, and so that’s what it is.
We will continue to work. They like it, they work hard at it, they always give the effort, and I really like this group.
Clearly, its the wrong call if it doesn’t work.
You know we don’t discuss contracts around here."
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 23, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since I am the oldest and have questionable sanity
Well that would explain why you keep calling me “Brain”. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Case in point....sorry
I don’t think I have done that for awhile. I have always wondered if I am a little Dyslexic.
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by Joe P. on Dec 23, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are, you’re not the only one. I’ve had “Brain” hand-written on birthday cards from blood relatives before. I’ve learned to take it as a compliment.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that like calling the fat kid Skinny?
OOOOH SNAP!
by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gimme the reins
and I’ll fight for that pass rusher, though the GM would obviously disagree.
We could mold this team into a winner, or die trying!
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 23, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, I’d be the worst GM in league history if I disagreed that we needed a pass rusher.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what did you expect?
As I have mentioned before, Wilson ( except during the ’60’s) has not appeared to me to be the type of sport francise owner a city like Buffalo needs. Because of a bad weather stigma and an economy that has been on the decline since 1970 Buffalo has needed an owner of it’s flag ship sport francise that views the Bills success tied to the success of WNY. Mr. Wilson is a busness man first and a Bills fan second. There is nothing wrong with that. Too bad for Bills fans his other business’s were not tied exclusely to the success of WNY.
by gjv on Dec 23, 2008 7:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
For anyone who cares to spend some time on a lengthy but interesting read: How to build a franchise (Chiefs flavor, but applicable here), by BigBlueShoe from StampedeBlue.com.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 8:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure if the most interesting aspect here is the actual outline of steps to building the franchise or the fact that the Colts didn’t emerge from the NFL basement until there was a change of ownership and they hired a new GM – and Bill Polian no less.
Sure its easy for us fans to say we need a Polian or Parcells-like GM to provide organization leadership, but it seems fairly clear to me at least that Ralph Wilson has no intention of doing that under his watch.
Ironically maybe this is the main reason to be favor of keeping Jauron. Firing the head coach is likely to do very little given the organizational structure of the front office. I don’t believe even Cowher would thrive under these management conditions and I don’t think he or an other hall of fame caliber coach would take this job unless there was a fundamental re-structuring of the front office – or basically a return to NFL normalcy (Owner-GM-HC). Until then I’m fine with Jauron holding down the fort until the inevitable happens and at that point I only hope there is still a Buffalo in the Bills.
by Zumone on Dec 23, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That last paragraph is EXACTLY – as in 1 million percent – my stance on keeping Jauron.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
what is also lost in all of this is that we have some good news as Bills fans. If we go and compete against New England and find a way to win….well, that would give this city something to really be proud about. ALl these people that say “you can’t sell Jauron.” That’s complete BS. The Bills are crack cocaine to WNY. Tickets are dirt cheap, and people will go to the games. Maybe not int eh same numbers at first, but IF THEY WIN, oh yeah they will come and sales won’t take a hit at all. If 9 losing seasons don’t decrease interest, another year of Jauron certainly won’t turn away fans
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 23, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 million percent
You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means!
No, seriously, I’m laughing because my son reads this blog with me, and I’ve had to explain to him a few times that 1 million percent is just a way of exaggerating, that it’s not a real number.
You’re not helping my homeschool, here, Brian!
Sorry for the rant…carry on.
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha… sorry… I was a math geek in high school and haven’t forgotten that 100% is as good as it gets. Apologies! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’ll survive. ;-)
Have to admit, though, he’s still more of a Falcons fan (he’s never lived in an area where we get Bills football, and I won’t pony up $$ for NFL Pass or whatever it’s called). Guess we’ll be following the Falcons through these playoffs. Not so bad, though. I like their team.
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
However
it is also real number. Just like 150% means one and a half times larger, one million percent is ten thousand times larger.
Or maybe Brian is suggesting that he agrees with me more than I agree with myself.
by Zumone on Dec 23, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going with both.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is also real number. Just like 150% means one and a half times larger, one million percent is ten thousand times larger.
Qualitatively, people use it this way, and only because people have been using it that way consistently. Mathematically, it only makes sense when, for example, you talk about something that more than doubled in price (increased by more than 100). But most of the time people use the phrase, it means they’re going to try to give an extra amount of effort, etc., "going to give 110 this next game." It’s not possible to exceed 100% in that type of usage, because you’re talking about giving 100 out of a possible 100 (per cent means “per one hundred”). If they were truly giving 100% to begin with, it wouldn’t be possible to give more.
Or maybe Brian is suggesting that he agrees with me more than I agree with myself.
Good one!!
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please help explain why QB ratings are above 100% then. This writer cannot comprehend complex mathematics.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 24, 2008 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The QB rating is not a percent value
even though it is calculated using percentages. Confused yet? Maybe this will help.
http://www.nfl.com/help/quarterbackratingformula
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by Joe P. on Dec 24, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that’s it, Joe.
A good way of using a sports number to understand this percentage concept is batting average in baseball. Batting average really is a percentage, but is expressed as a decimal instead of as a percent and shown to three digits instead of two.
It’s the number of times you get a hit divided by the number of times you come up to bat (exclude walks as at bats). It’s impossible to get more hits than the number of times you came up to bat. See how it works?
Then, what makes it more confusing is “slugging percentage” is NOT really a percentage, but it’s spoken of that way.
Ok, I’m done. Hopefully I didn’t just make things more confusing for most of you.
by thefourwinds on Dec 24, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This link shows a perfect example of the one exception I mentioned (financial increases that more than double, etc.). This is not the context of “agreeing with you 1 million percent.” It’s just an expression of exaggeration. It’s not possible to agree with someone more than completely.
Ok, math rant is really over now, unless someone still has a problem with my explanation.
by thefourwinds on Dec 24, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grrr…I had a couple of typos in my post.
“increased by more than 100” should read “increased by more than 100%”
“going to give 110 this next game” should read “going to give 110% this next game”
Math lesson over…Christmas break!
by thefourwinds on Dec 24, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL normalcy (Owner-GM-HC)
I think the normal/standard way in the NFL is more that both the HC & GM report to the President.
I know that several NFL franchises have President/GM roles but in fact it should be separate. The Coach is in charge on the field, strategy, game day management and the GM is responsible for all personnel decisions. The president is normally the ultimate decision maker.
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralf did do this type of assessment
when he brought in Marv Levy.
They cleaned-up shop
They got younger
They built a team of hard working good character players
When they drafted Marshawn, they knew he was a pounding back and not a finesse back.
And I think Modrack is part of that… He was a big part of it. I am definitely willing to give the guy a chance at it.
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Levy brought in Jauron… and now everybody wants him fired.
As I said, I like Modrak. I just wish he was THE final decision-maker. Getting input and making decisions WITH people is one thing; having a knights of the roundtable is another.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i wonder how it “really” works though. I like this guy, you like this guy, ok Mr Wilson, “please can I draft Donte Whitner?” Please can we trade for Marcus Stroud? WTF
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by MARVelous on Dec 23, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Up until yesterday, it wasn’t Mr. Wilson, it was Jauron making the final decision. Now, apparently, it’s a committee. I’m fine with this committee approach IF there’s a guy making the final decisions. I was comfortable with Jauron doing it, but apparently he’ll be stripped of that power. I know for a fact he and Modrak get along very well. If Modrak is making that final decision on the rare tough calls, then I’m all for his “new powers” too. If it’s Wilson… yuck. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i think even if it is a committee approach, it is how well these guys work together. If they all communiate well and don’t get sour about certain decisions or personal glory than it would be a proactive working relationship. I think Brandon and Overdorf were the leaders on the Stroud trade last year and they play an intricate part in this too. We probably can’t trade this year cuz we don’t have extra picks, but we sure could go for a trade for a DE. What the Vikings did in getting Jared Allen did wonders for their overall defense.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 23, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 things...
1) I think Jauron was the right guy at the time. He is definitely a players coach. He was the right guy to get the ball moving, a great first step. But now that the ship is heading in the right direction we need to change gears and we need to change coaches to accomplish that.
2) From what I know of Modrack is that he is a confident proud individual that does not seem like a “push-over”. I also reiterate that Wilson did not say what decision making power he would have one way or the other, so it is useless to speculate. I trust that even if he didn’t have full power over those decisions that he will be in the coaches face when he does not agree, he seems like that type of person. So Wilson, as the acting president, will have to intervene. The way I see it, at least there will be some pressure on the coach on a weekly basis, which is a hell of a lot better than it has been for the last three years.
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
Those guys make me laugh not cry.
by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're doomed
If Ralph is speaking the truth, or if he remembers what he said this week when this meeting of the inner circle occurs at the end of the season, we are in trouble.
He may not remember, given that he said we lacked talent not long ago, and all of a sudden he’s not sure why his team hasn’t performed better this year. So, we can hope that in two weeks he cleans house, hires Pioli as GM, McDaniel as head coach…okay, okay, I’ll get serious now.
I reluctantly have to agree with Brian. If this is the way it’s going to be in our front office, we would do best by keeping Jauron. No one better qualified than him would be willing to work for this cluster#@*! of an organization. Honestly, who would? And we may as well keep Turk, but make him call games like he did at the beginning of the season. No one talks about Fewell for some reason. Why is he not on the hot seat as well? We have not been able to pressure the passer with four rushers in this millenium, yet we blitz about as often as we sack the QB, or less. And when we do blitz, why does it look like our rushers are always looking for blockers to run into? I like our DBs overall, but they need a little help up front.
How about Mike Singletary on our sidelines? You think training camp might look a bit different?
by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2008 9:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
so, what happens after next year when the bills are 7-9 again with no sign of improving under Jauron. do we keep Jauron again because we feel nobody will want to work in the current organizational structure except Jauron. to me that is resigning to the fact that we are inferior and nobody likes us or wants to come here and we will never be good so what’s the sense of trying.
by gatornation on Dec 23, 2008 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We cross that bridge when we reach it. Honestly, NOBODY can predict where Ralph will be or what he’ll be doing in a year. FOR NOW, keeping Jauron is the smartest thing to do.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t necessarily believe it is the smartest, it’s the safest at the very least.
by gatornation on Dec 23, 2008 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes
we feel like our hands are tied, and Ralph won’t bring in anyone OUTSIDE THE organization. I know everyone thinks Jauron is a terribly gameday coach, but honestly I don’t see it. It’s just blunders that get magnified. The only 2 moves I’ve been skeptical of this year were in the Cle and NYJ2 games. But i’m not going to get anyone fired up about that here.
I had no idea modrak “turned down” GM duties? we need him. He’s all we’ve got for a football guy. The more power he gets, the better off we are IMO. And understand that is given the way Ralph operates. He won’t go outside, so why not have our BEST FOOTBALL MAN, have more power? How can anyone argue with this?
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 23, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess if Modrack doesn’t want the GM life, HE can argue with it!
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Misread what you were saying. Yep, I get it now.
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that makes any sense after reading this is that Ralph Wilson wants to be the GM. He will have final say and that is most unfortunate. He loves his football team and cannot bear to let anyone else run it. How sad. For all his gifts to the city of Buffalo, he is now an amateur playing in a professional league. It is probably the same model as he uses to run his business organizations. This, however, is different. It is as if what many of us suspected is actually true. No meaningful change will come until we have a new owner. Just remember Ralph, this approach runs the risk of devaluing the franchise for your heirs.
I like Modrak and giving him more power is a good thing. But letting DJ sit in on these “meetings” is letting the fox guard the hen house. Bad managerial decision.
A long time ago Brock Yates (an upstate New Yorker and one of the best automobile writers ever, and a founder of the cannonball car race) wrote a humorous piece for Playboy mag where he made up different fictitious airplanes that participated in WW2. One was an Italian plane with two front ends and a swivel pilot’s seat so the pilot could instantly fly the plane in the opposite direction if Italy changed sides while he was in the air. Another was a French bomber with 5 bombadiers so they could decide where to drop the bombs by committee! Naturally, they never hit their target.
Just as an aside, Brock Yates drove a Ferrari Daytona with Dan Gurney in the Cannonball race once. For those who don’t remember, the race went from NYC to LA and had to be in a stock street car. Yate’s description of watching Dan Gurney (arguably the best race car driver this country has had) negotiating the back roads of Pennsylvania at night doing over 140mph in the Ferrari with one hand on the wheel and having a discussion with Brock is, for me, one of the all time best pieces of journalism.
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by keuka121 on Dec 23, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Front Office
Folks, we need a leader in the front office. The term leader, in this scenario, insinuates SINGULAR as in ONE leader. The Bills’ interests would best be served were our leader to be a football man. We have no true football man heading the Bills front office. Case in point, Bill Parcells, the consummate football man at Miami and Bill Pollian at Indianapolis. No more need be said with intrinsic regard to leadership, stability and winning in the NFL. Ergo, it should be obvious to even the most obtuse, that from an organizational perspective, leadership by proxy, leadership by committee or leadership by a non-qualified football person is predestined to failure. That said, then, whom might we consider as GM? Pioli? Cowher? Casserly? Holmgren? Assuming the Bills were to put a professional NFL level managerial team/plan in place (highly assumptive, by the way), then we could begin to fix all the existing problems, including fan base malcontent, scouting, coaching, player personnel and perhaps even a Toronto solution that we American Bills fan can tolerate. Then and only then, might we begin to look to a promising future. Absent a proven NFL management program, anything else is a bandaid on a mortal wound and ultimately doomed to failure. Meanwhile, we endure an interminable and ever ongoing rebuilding process while the Dolphins, Ravens, Falcons and Jets have vaulted into serious (week 17) contention in ONE year, 2007-2008 . Obviously, something is not right at One Bills Drive. Mr. Wilson, let’s get it right right now for the sake of your legacy and for the millions of fans throughout Western New York, Northeast Pennsylvania and Southern Ontario who have supported you throughout your 49 years of ownership. Thank you Mr. Wilson and Merry Christmas to you and to Bills fans everywhere!
by BillsnBravesFan on Dec 23, 2008 12:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree. I guess the point some have made here is that this simply won’t happen while RW remains the owner.
by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think promoting Modrak is the right thing to do
Stripping the personnel decisions away from the HC and giving them to Tom Modrak is a good decision. Modrak has done well for us and has been a good soldier throughout his tenure in Buffalo. It’s hard to blame him for choices that were made by Jauron or Donahue both of whom had final say on draft day. I think we are lucky to have Modrak and it is a shrewd decision to promote him from within because we don’t want to loose him. If you look at the body of work that he has performed over the years from Pittsburg to Philly to here, i think it’s safe to say that we have a great football guy within our own walls we just have to give him the authority to make the call on draft day. (Good article from Pro Football Weekly’s archive)
Mr Wilson, all I want for Christmas is a new Head Coach, someone like Steve Spagnuolo
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by keysh67 on Dec 23, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One other question for y’all to ponder: if Ralph is committed to this “inner circle” approach, why can’t we bring in a guy from outside the organization to be part of said circle? Why not bring in a Ron Wolf or a Floyd Reese (just examples, not advocating either one) as a “consultant”, just to be a fresh set of eyes? Thoughts?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t the inner circle approach because he doesn’t want any outside influence? If he’s going to hire a “consultant”, he’d probably be willing to hire a GM. I don’t see him doing that.
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 23, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't you ever seen Meet the Parents?
You can’t just join the “Circle of Trust.” You have to earn your way in, especially with an old fashioned blowhard like Ralphie.
by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Good point.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be nice but...
Not many people are going to want to leave their jobs where they would have similar power (Pioli) to come here or a former GM (Wolf or Reese) take a “demotion” to this role. I think they would only be sold if they were given the authoritative role or having the final say, which Ralph has said he doesn’t want an outsider to do. Also, what guy is going to want to come into that role with a head coach already in place for three more years, without having any say in the matter?
I think if you bring in an outsider for football decisions, Jauron goes, but if Jauron stays, not much is going to change with this comittee leadership b.s.
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by evdawg419 on Dec 23, 2008 5:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, I couldn't have said it more accurately
Under the current structure, we are seen as inferior. That’s exactly the point I was making. We will never attract anyone better than Jauron, because:
A) Ralph won’t be willing to pay enough
B) No one will be willing to work with or under the mess that is our front office
C) Both A and B
How about Mike Singletary on our sidelines? You think training camp might look a bit different?
by ChipShot on Dec 23, 2008 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about that..
If anything the head coach has more power in our current structure than in a typical GM/HC relationship so would that be a deterrent? I am certain that we could attract a guy like Steve Spagnuolo we just would need to pony up the cash
Modrak was a great personnel guy in Steeler-town then in Philly he was very well liked and missed when Reid made his power play to get the GM title. And in Buffalo he has done a very good job up to now and always been a good team player. He did his job under Donahue then under Levy/Jauron because Jauron has always had final say on personnel so who says he agreed with all the picks that were made?
I am happy they are giving him the control over personnel because now for the first time he will be the sole person responsible for the draft and I am anxious to see the results. We knew he was a good talent evaluator when we hired him now he finally gets to show his craft. As pure GM, he is probably the best option out there.
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by keysh67 on Dec 24, 2008 6:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian, how about an alternate suggestion?
It seems most people here think that we drafted pretty well and signed FAs pretty well in the past 2 years. And who had the ultimate say in these past 2 years on personnel? Dick Jauron. So why not make Jauron our GM?
From management point of view, you should put your people at positions where they can perform their best. If Jauron is good at talent evaluation and personnel decisions, then Ralph should make Jauron the GM! Better still, Jauron can then fire himself as HC and hire Cowher instead! If Jauron is not good at on field management, why put him there?? Ralph, give Jauron the job he is good at!
I think a lot of GMs in the NFL do take in the coaches and other VP’s suggestion when doing their final personnel decisions, so the “inner circle” concept is not absurd. Jauron, as GM, can and should still consult Modrak. Jauron might not be good at selecting good assistants to help him, but front office management is already in good hands with Modrak and company. All Jauron needs to do, as GM, is to hire a really good HC (like Cowher), and let him decide who stays and who goes for the other coordinators and coaches positions.
What do you think, Brian? The idea too crazy to fathom? I think it makes perfect sense, and you should make separate post to rumble on this topic ;)
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by moncheri on Dec 25, 2008 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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