Image must factor into Jauron decision

Welcome on board, Brian!!!

If Ralf doesn’t get the ball rolling soon, we will be behind in the race for a new head coach, and by extension good coordinators like Mangini or Romeo. Any news about Spags? Is he talking to teams, or is he going to wait for the Giants season to be over before entertaining offers?

I think we have come to the same conclusion Brian in different ways. I agree with you whole heartedly on this statement:

I still don’t trust Buffalo’s brain trust to get it right if, in fact, another change is made. I still love Dick Jauron – I’m obviously not thrilled with his on-field exploits, but still believe he’s a good coach.

I feel the same way. However, I also believe that we need restructuring and a new scheme to work in Buffalo. Jauron I don’t think can succeed in Buffalo with his scheme or with Ralph Wilson as the owner. Maybe if we’re lucky, we restrucutre things, bring in a new coach, Edwards evolves and maybe we’ll crack 10 wins. But either way its depressing. Which is why your point about IMAGE is dead on. We have to change IMAGE. The product may end up being the same 6-10, 7-9 crap, but for the sanity of fans who ultimately fund the team, a change has to be made

What is it that has you convinced that Dick can become a good coach? The only reason he’s even a 7-9 coach is because he went 13-3 that one season. We’ve seen the Bills lose more games in more ways than should ever be possible. Epic failures like Dallas, the Browns, constant misuse of timeouts and clock management, going away from your strengths (Marshawn’s early lack of carries and the fact that in Toronto, Jackson did not have a single #&&#&$#% play called for him stand out.) There’s so many things that I can’t even think of them right now. The team was worse than last year and that’s a fact. Yes they have better players with more experience and a possibly bright future but they finished with the same exact record despite not placing half the team on IR. If the players “improve” but the team doesn’t then where exactly is the problem?

There’s a point when being a nice guy means jack. You know who isn’t a nice guy? Bill Parcells. He’s the exact opposite of a player’s coach and look what he’s done with every team that he’s touched. Teams that were worse, way worse than the Bills, turned it around in a season or two at the most.

Jauron’s been in the NFL for 35 years, a coach for 20+. What one thing in that time has he done to show that all of a sudden a switch is going to flip and he’s going to figure things out? Oooh, he went 13-3. Bill Billick once won a Super Bowl and has a winning record as a coach but I don’t seen anyone defending him ever or clamoring for him to come back.

Should this be a marketing decision or a football decision? Obviously my primary concern is how it would impact player personnel. The bottom line is winning cures all, right?

In college FB, it’s often clear when to fire a coach and when to keep him. It’s usually at a time where they may be potential violations down the road, recruiting has gone bad, players have tuned out the coach and the team loses badly (which usually isn’t the case in the pros b/c of a “potentially” more level dispersion of talent) which happened at my alma mater UNC before Butch Davis arrived, or when the administration wants to overhaul the style/image of the program.

I am never one for firing a coach just for the sake of firing, but Jauron, like Greg Williams had 3 seasons to both improve and get this team to the playoffs. The window of opportunity in the NFL is not long, and we can’t year after year for one coach to flip the switch on.

I still see though the bigger issue is the front office and there is a fundamental lack of understanding of talent evaluation and development. If teams like the Ravens, Steelers, Giants, and Panthers, can all build the physical, blue collar teams that this town, city and fan base craves and desires, then we need to stop going after the “borderline” talent guys who work hard and simply draft, sign, and bring in the guys who have the talent and the ability and the work ethic., not just 1 or 2 of those qualities. If we can first bring in the coach and GM that can embody those qualities, then we can move in that direction.

Seeing Donte Whitner, a #8 overall pick get punked the way he did by a oft-injured, older RB, was a signal to me that for all the constant complaining about coaching, talent and desire is still a major issue that needs to be addressed as well.

Jauron’s not the complete problem, but he’s not the answer to complete the questions surrounding it either.

I think Jauron goes down as the fall guy (which is a position he’d play to the bitter end) for the greater problems on this team. Ralph isn’t going to fire himself. At this point, I have zero faith in this organization to get things figured out. A decade of barely-mediocre results is proof enough that thinking too much costs a franchise too much.

I’m torn because I think Jauron needs to go, but I don’t “want” him to go. I wanted him to succeed; wanted him to pay dividends to the players that like him and the great demeanor he brings to the team. In the end, the players’ acting alot like Metallica in therapy probably is counter-productive to Ws in the standings.

I could forsee a scenario in which Ralph (during an inner circle meeting) tells everyone he wants a new OC at the very least. Does DJ have the flexibility to accept one? An assistant HC for offense? Or is he loyal to the bitter end and tell Ralph that he goes if a new OC is hired? We’ll soon see. Decent QB or not, Dick Jaron doesn’t know poop about offensive gameplan and playcalling. Never has had a feel for the “other” side of the line. It is, by far, his Achilles heel. If he does have any offensive instinct he sure has not shown it to me. Like Mangini and Crennell, he would make a good DC. Just another example of the Peter Principle in action.

and for the life of me, I cannot get the image from The Dead Kennedys’Frankenchrist album out of my head. This whole inner circle thing is a JOKE.

I think the world of Dick Jauron. He is a class act. He never threw anyone under the bus… I truly believe he has a great work ethic and gets his players to work.

I’m in complete agreement. Dick Jauron is, in fact, a class act. It’s repeated often, but it’s not fully appreciated given the current climate the team finds itself in. Jauron is respected in this business because of his person, not his accomplishments (or lack thereof). He’s had to deal with some rough situations as a head coach – Jerry Angelo in Chicago, good old Ralph Wilson here in Buffalo, and incredibly inconsistent quarterback play – and I remain irrevocably convinced that Jauron can be a successful head coach in this league. I have serious doubts, however, that Jauron can achieve that success in Buffalo – and between Jauron and the Buffalo Bills, my loyalties lie with the franchise.

Aren’t they saying the exact same stuff about Rod Marinelli? Good guy, class act, doesn’t throw anyone under the bus, players still played hard, etc, etc ,etc. That doesn’t change the fact that they’re poor head coaches.

Brian, to me it may seem that the only reason, or at least the MAJOR reason, to dump Jauron is because keeping him sends a bad message to the fanbase….That is true and all, but how come you seem to refuse to admit how awful he is as a head coach on gameday? How many more mistakes can he make in the position each week? How many hiring and personnel decisions can he make? How many game and clock mismanagements can he make? How can you not hold him responsible for the absolute garbage we’ve seen the past 3 years???

Maybe he’s a good DC, but nobody can convince me that he’s a good head coach. He’s been a head coach for what, 8 or 9 seasons now, and had one winning year? Come on now. You remain convinced that he can be a winner in the NFL, though he’s going on a decade of being one of the biggest losers in NFL history….I guess I don’t see what you see that would show him as the kind of guy that would be a consistent winner….

Jauron wasn’t good enough to keep the job in Detroit, and they weren’t good enough to overlook anyone at that point.

we are all arguing about the same things in a different way.

I’m not saying Jauron’s a nice guy and players like him so he could be successful. I’m saying his way of handling a football team I think is correct. However, he can’t buy the groceries and run it all clearly. Two separate issues. He has his faults whether it’s schemes, gameday mismanaging etc. However, he has had 3 years, done some good things, and done not enough to keep his job.

The key issue to look at now, is what is best for this franchise. I can’t imagine what people are going to say if he Keeps Jauron!

keeping him protected? Do the old men have some master plan that includes DJ seeing this rebuild through to the end? Is that why Ralph blamed one of the losses a few weeks back on lack of talent (as opposed to coaching that leaves something to be desired)?

made a quote in the last month something along the lines that he and Coach Jauron were “in this till the end.” I’m paraphrasing there but something to that effect.

What I’m guessing what’s happening in these “inner circle” meetings is:

1) Ralph has already decided to bring DJ back

2) Brandon is brainstorming on what the hell he’ll need to sell this team form a pure marketing standpoint

3) Ralph and the rest of the inner-circle are determining what changes in FO and possibly coaching staff will make it look like to the fans that they are trying to build a winner

4) Ralph will fly back to detroit and call it a day

The only way I think DJ might be gone is if he won’t tweak his staff or if Ralph doesn’t like what he hears. I was hoping for news today but looks like we’ll have to wait another 24-48 hrs

article on cnnsi. don’t have a link here.

..and it hurts to see the dreaded Marine Mammals do so well. 1-15 to Division champs? Can it be done when you’re 7-9 or are the Bills in a perpetual DO loop?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/ratings

reportedly sat in a suite the entire game, and was seen by numerous eye witnesses driving away before the game was over in his SUV.

This franchise is terrible from Wilson on down right now. There is no accountability

is a record. pouring booz into soda at Buffalo bars, hit and run, not being on the sidelines for the game and then leaving early. Unacceptable in my book even if he is our star player

i’m sure a lot more happens than we will ever know, especially when you have $13 million in the bank already like lynch. That said, bottom line is they don’t win, so none of this helps. Plax and Antonio Pierce were at a club on a fri in NYC when plax shot himself. Stuff happens all the time. So we can’t make to big a deal out of it

that said…..some discipline would be nice. I’m sure Lynch could have played if it was a meaningful game

because he should resign. to the GM

His ability to commit to a QB. For so long, we suffered with mediocre QB due in large part by head coaches waffling week to week. Jauron made it known who his starter was, and I applaud that.