Mangini Out in NYC!

by freddyjj on Dec 29, 2008 1:56 PM EST

If he is available, why not see if he will shuffle off to Buffalo!

23-25 in three seasons with a playoff appearance in his 1st year in NY.

What was impressive that year was how he managed to re-construct that team. He traded Abraham to ATL and drafted 2 plowhorses, Ferguson and Mangold in the 2006 draft. Funny how the Tuna did the same in Miami!

Reasons why this makes sense:

1. He possesses the best knowledge base of the AFC East of any potential candidate.

2. He has defeated Belichek. And remains extremely motivated to do so.

3. His offense, led by Brian Schottenheimer, had the top ranked rusher in the AFC in Thomas Jones. And a diverse passing attack that gets the ball to playmakers like Leon Washington.

4. His defense, given his background in NE, is the 3-4. While the Bills finished ahead of the Jets in total Defense, a change to an attacking scheme would likely result in more turnovers and big plays due to pressure.

I say he'd be a step up over DJ.

What says you?

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I fail to see how 23-25 is much better than 21-27. Mangini makes just as many weird in-game calls as Jauron does; in fact, he had several in the two games the Jets played the Bills this year.

So I say no thanks. We can do better, if, in fact, we have the chance to do so in the first place.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions

Mangini has made so bad calls, but he

also is young. He is still learning, Jauron is not. Even Bill B. got fired from his first HC job. I think Mangini would do better with our young team than the Jets who had a lot of vets on it.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions

I never said he wouldn’t do better. Just that there’s better than Mangini.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions

OK....who?

grrrrr……..I was going to ask for your short list of candidates who actually might coach in Buffalo, but it really doesn’t matter until Jauron, Turk, and/or Fewell is fired.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions

Provided that list for you three weeks ago, Joe. Here

There are 14 names on that list that I’d hire before Mangini.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

How many would you hire over retaining Jauron, just wondering?

by Kurupt on Dec 29, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions

That’s a tricky question.

Realistically speaking, I’d hire ONE of those guys over retaining Jauron, and that’s Cowher. I remain convinced that Jauron isn’t the problem, and hiring a new coaching is just showing a newly polished angle of the same turd.

If I owned the team, I’d be cleaning house first in the front office, then talking with my shiny new GM about all 14 of those guys AND Dick Jauron. I’d definitely concentrate on the front office first and foremost, though.

Of those coaches, guys I feel particularly strong about are Schwartz, Rex Ryan and Raheem Morris. They’re going to be outstanding head coaches whenever they get their respective opportunities.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions

Your list needs to be updated and focused on

candidates who actually might coach in Buffalo

For a start, Cowher is out. Tice over Mangini???? Tice had no control over the Vikes players. We don’t need a younger version of Wade “My QB told me to F off when I told him we were going to punt” Phillips.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions

I didn’t count Cowher’s name in that list of 14. Nor did I count Schottenheimer’s.

And yes, Tice over Mangini.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions

Mangini has head coaching experience

Your top 4 do not. Seems like Mangini would be less of a risk than Spags, and I like Spags. I am just saying that he is unproven as a HC. I don’t know how you can completely rule out Mangini.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

Dick Jauron had head coaching experience. It doesn’t mean a whole lot if you aren’t very good at it!!!

by Kurupt on Dec 29, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions

King of CAC has a long record of failure

Mangini is a fairly new HC, and has been to the playoffs. Again, Belicheat was fired his first time at bat.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions

I’m not completely ruling him out. Just saying that we can do better.

Again, Mangini was 23-25 in New York compared to Jauron’s 21-27. I don’t see how he’s a major step forward. We go 7.7-8.3 instead of 7-9?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

This year went South because for the Jets

because Favre drove Mangini nuts!!!! Not his type of QB, and probably not his idea to bring him in. Look at the Jets draft vs the Bills. I would take that in a heart beat.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

Revis and David Harris last year would have been sweet….

by Kurupt on Dec 29, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

and your pass catching TE in Keller

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions

You actually should go back over the last 3 drafts and compare the DJ drafts to Mangini’s. I don’t know how anyone can say that NY has drafted better than Buffalo over that timespan.

by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions

Agree. Mangini had his share of misses.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by Enigma3 on Dec 29, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions

2 winning seasons, 10-8 in AFC East in 3 years

that is why he is better. DJ is 7-11 in AFC East in same period

And Mangini has 2 wins in 7 games versus NE, including the playoffs

by freddyjj on Dec 29, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions

So Mangini is 2-5 against the Pats and 3-3 against the Bills (and Jauron, no less). So… he gets bonus points for being 5-1 against the Dolphins? Big whoop.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions

The fact that we’re even talking about the ManNotSoGenius is indicative as to how desperate we are as a fan base.

Meh. Dude is overrated …

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions

Brian, be serious

If you gave DJ the PATS players and belichik ours, Belichik would beat DJ again. DJ WILL NEVER BEAT THE PATS!!!

Mangini has! Sporano has! And in 2006 the Jest made the playoffs and in 2008 the Fins did.

I rest my case!

by freddyjj on Dec 29, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions

My only case is that we can do better than Mangini. I’m not going to hire a guy because he beats the Pats once in a while.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

Count me in

He is also known as a disciplinarian. I would rather have him as DC, but he would be a step up from Jauron.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 2:05 PM EST reply actions

I just like that he called Brett Favre out weekly. Love that!

by Kurupt on Dec 29, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions

Which is the real reason he is gone

The Jets owner is convinced he can get Farve to come back. It is amazing how an owner can completely screw up a team. Jets, Bills, Raiders, Lions, Cowboys, etc.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

I like your four bullet points about Mangini, but this part has me scratching my head:

What was impressive that year was how he managed to re-construct that team. He traded Abraham to ATL and drafted 2 plowhorses, Ferguson and Mangold in the 2006 draft. Funny how the Tuna did the same in Miami!

Parcells traded an over the hill DE who has 3.5 sacks this year and drafted Jake Long who has been a total stud. Mangini traded John Abraham who has 16.5 sacks this year and drafted Ferguson who has been a major dissapointment. Following the same basic plan as Parcells doesn’t get you anywhere. You actually have to execute that plan to get credit for knowing what you are doing.

by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions

kaisertown good point

Let’s say we switch coaches and we go to a 3-4 it is safe to say that Schobel and/or Kelsay would be dealt as they will not fit the role of a 3-4 DE.

All I was saying is that we would have someone who was not afraid to let talent go for an area he felt required upgrading. He would have the same opportunity here.

by freddyjj on Dec 29, 2008 4:29 PM EST reply actions

I think the Bills would want to see how Schobel looks standing up as an outside linebacker in the 3-4 before moving him. He is basically undersized to even be that 3-4 rush linebacker so it would be interesting to see if he could handle it. Kelsay doesn’t really have trade value so the team would almost definitely try and move him for a 6th round pick or something and cut him if they couldn’t. The Bills almost couldn’t bring back Ellison or DiGiorgio because they are too small to play in a 3-4 too. The Bills could transition, but it would cause a ton of player turnover and I don’t think they have any players with enough trade value to actually trade them on defense.

This is how I think the Bills lineup would look with a 3-4 defense. I included starters first and backups second and put a star next to everyone who would need to be replaced before next season started (because they don’t fit in the scheme, I left talent out of the equation other than choosing the starters).

DE – Kyle Williams – Chris Kelsay*
NT – Marcus Stroud – Kyle Williams*
DE – Ryan Denney*

OLB – Aaron Schobel – Keith Ellison*
MLB – Paul Posluszny
MLB – John DiGiorgio*
OLB – Kawika Mitchell – Copeland Bryan – Chris Ellis?

by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions

Couldn't Stroud pay DE in the 3-4?

Richard Seymour weighs about the same. We need to draft a big NT for the middle and/or pick up a FA.

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions

I’m sure he could, I was just going with what the Bills have right now and what the lineup would look like.

by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions

OK...How many of those

names change places if you put them into the position they are most suited for in a 3-4?

"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"

by Joe P. on Dec 29, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions

Obviously Stroud. Mitchell could play inside or outside. I think that is it though. The Bills would need 2 or 3 new starters in the front 7 and a backup at almost every position to switch to a 3-4. It could be done, but it probably wouldn’t be pretty and would take a second offseason to field a good defense. I think you would need to replace almost every guy in the front seven due to age or being a mediocre 3-4 fit in the next few seasons if you go through with the switch. I wouldn’t do it unless we get a head coach and/or GM who we REALLY believe in.

by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions

kaisertown

Don’t you think Spencer Johnson is a prototypical Strong Side De in a 3-4?

And if we resign Crowell and move Kawika inside, we could line up Crowell, Poz, Mitchell and Schobel at LBs

I would put Stroud and Johnson at DE and Draft Raji from BC at Nose Tackle.

by freddyjj on Dec 30, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions

Don’t you think Spencer Johnson is a prototypical Strong Side De in a 3-4?

I’m not kaisertown, but I don’t care. No, Johnson isn’t that prototype. DE’s in a 3-4 need to have long arms and low centers of gravity; they don’t need to be undersized 4-3 DT’s. Aaron Smith could never play in a 4-3 defense, but he excels in a 3-4 even though he’s an underwhelming athlete because he’s got long arms, can occupy blockers and is agile enough to knife into the backfield once in a while.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions

Schobel is NOT a LB!!!! He doesn’t move well enough. You need the right type of players for the 3-4, not guys that simply fit the “size requirement”. Crowell isn’t a 3-4 OLB either.

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions

I think if Matt Roth can be a 3-4 rush linebacker than so can Schobel. I’m not saying he would be any good at it, I was just setting up a depth chart for what our lineup would look like in a 3-4 with our current roster.

by kaisertown on Dec 31, 2008 12:40 AM EST up reply actions

I wouldn’t call Johnson prototypical, but I’m not sure why I left him off. I guess I just wasn’t thinking that hard. he could play a role in a 3-4, but I don’t see how he could beat out Kyle Williams for a job at any position in any scheme.

Schobel, Poz, Mitchell and Crowell could work as the linebackers, but they would be a pretty mediocre group (to say the least), as a 3-4 unit.

by kaisertown on Dec 31, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions