State of the Bills Roster: Quarterbacks
Welcome to the off-season at Buffalo Rumblings, Buffalo Bills fans! If you're new around these parts within the past nine months or so, this is the first series in an off-season progression of posts here in which we'll break down Buffalo's roster in-depth. From these discussions, we'll put together a "Community Needs List" in priority order, then begin researching potential free agent and draft acquisitions that will satisfy all of the Bills' needs as we perceive them.
Hey - at least this way, we're doing the job right. Right? Unlike a certain front office we're forced to support.
So this is our first foray into heavy-duty off-season work at Buffalo Rumblings. It's our "State of the Roster" series, off-season mode, and we'll start the discussions off with a look at the most important position on the football field: quarterback.
Opening Statement
I remain a believer that starter Trent Edwards is a quarterback that can win a lot of games in this league. He's just not a guy who can shoulder the whole load at this point, and the Bills gave him too much responsibility this season. That's easily rectified in 2009, and Trent's future remains bright. Edwards is the only Bills quarterback currently under contract for next season.
#5 Trent Edwards (starter)
6'4", 231 pounds
Age: 26 in October 2009
Contract status: 2 years remaining (UFA after 2010); owed $1.01M in base salaries
- Edwards didn't prove that he's the long-term answer at quarterback for the Bills this season, but he did prove that he's as tough as they come, that he can lead, and that he's got talent. He's got a lot more to prove, and unless the Bills stumble across a can't-miss veteran this off-season - and those are incredibly rare - Edwards deserves (and should get) a chance to do more proving in 2009.
#7 J.P. Losman
6'2", 212 pounds
Age: 28 in March 2009
Contract status: Unrestricted free agent in March 2009
- The chances that Losman is re-signed in Buffalo are incredibly remote, and they are completely non-existent if Dick Jauron is retained as head coach. After demanding a trade a year ago, Losman has wallowed as Edwards' backup and was awful filling in when Trent was injured. This, folks, is the last time I'm even going to mention Losman's name until he's officially signed elsewhere. That day might not come.
#10 Gibran Hamdan
6'4", 220 pounds
Age: 28 in February 2009
Contract status: Restricted free agent in March 2009
- Hamdan's future with this team largely rests with the fate of Dick Jauron. I have zero complaints with Hamdan, and think that his positive energies have largely been a good influence on Edwards. But no coach besides Jauron is going to show much interest in Hamdan, particularly as a backup.
#16 Matt Baker
6'2", 212 pounds
Age: 26 in May 2009
Contract status: Exclusive Rights free agent in March 2009
- He's currently on IR. With less than two years' accrued NFL experience, the Bills retain the rights to exclusively negotiate with Baker in the off-season. That's unlikely to happen. Baker is a non-factor in Buffalo.
The Breakdown
Keepers: Edwards. He's very likely the Bills' 2009 starter, new coach or not - and that's a good thing.
Extendables: None. (This category will house players worth handing contract extensions in future installments of this series.)
Expendables: Hamdan, Baker. Unless Jauron is retained, Hamdan is far from a lock to return as well, though he may be retained merely to be Edwards' buddy again. (Cue text message jokes.) To rely on Hamdan as anything more than a #3 QB next off-season could be career suicide for whoever is coaching the team. Again, Baker is a non-factor.
Questionables: None. (This category will house players whose future in Buffalo is, essentially, 50/50.)
Goners: Losman. Praise the football gods.
What we need: We're going to need a #2 quarterback that can win us games, because Edwards is bound to miss a handful of games next season simply because he takes too many hits. We're also in desperate need of some experience at the position. Seems to me that a veteran backup would fill both of those needs rather easily. Depending on Hamdan's fate, a third quarterback might be a necessity as well. Either way, there's going to be some substantial change at this position within the next four months or so.
That's it. I'm done with the easy stuff. Now it's on you, folks. Are you sold on Edwards? Got any names to throw out there as potential backups to Edwards? Got any pipe dreams to share (yes, I'm speaking specifically about a trade for Donovan McNabb - that ain't happening, folks). Have fun with this, and let's get brainstorming. And no - future installments of this series won't be so painfully obvious.
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Good start to the off season Brian
I agree with you assessment, only Edwards has any real value so potentially we are looking for 2 QBs in the off season. I would like to see the Bills go get Joey Harrington, who I believe could be an excellent backup for Edwards. Harrington is a very similar type of QB as Edwards, prototypical size 6’4" 220lbs, very cerebral, very precise passer. The only thing that I don’t know is how long he signed for with the Saints? Another candidate that could fit well in Buffalo is Patrick Ramsay. I like Harrington because he has played a lot and is a solid backup that can win football games, certainly a huge upgrade over Losman. And the other reason why I’d like him is that he wouldn’t cause any controversy. The last thing we need is a QB controversy, we need to let Edwards develop into the QB we think we have.
I would re-sign Hamdan has QB3 because I don’t want to waste a draft pick on that position when we have so many other needs.
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by keysh67 on
Dec 30, 2008 8:48 AM EST
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I guess I wouldn’t mind Joey Harrington. There’s worse, and that obviously includes our current backup.
I know the name has been thrown out numerous times and it’s hardly an original idea, but I think I’d be happier if we found a way to talk Kitna into a one-year deal.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 9:04 AM EST
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Charlie Batch
I would love to have him back Edwards up, he has seen everything, been everywhere and NEVER complains about playing time. He has helped Ben quite a bit in Blitzburgh there and would be healthy by next TC. Joey is a close second for me, there are a lot of worse guys out there than him and Chaz.
Oh yeah, and now that DJ is extended I expect to see the Mighty Mighty Hamster back on the roster next year as our #3 again.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on
Dec 30, 2008 6:23 PM EST
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Brian, you seem a little down in the dumps....
I understand. Keep your head up and we will be fine….
My goal for the QB position in 2009:
Trent Edwards – starter
Charlie Batch – experienced backup (hey it work for big ben)
Gibran Hamdan – hire him as Trent’s personal assistant for all I care, GH helps Trent in the film room and talking to him on the sideline, he can be our emergency QB
Kitna and Harrington are possibilities but there’s a reason Harrington was signed then cut then signed in New Orleans. I like my trifecta up top better than the other names being chucked around.
by MattRichWarren on
Dec 30, 2008 9:08 AM EST
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I don’t mind the idea of Batch. I think, if I were running the show, I’d be gunning hard for Derek Anderson. I really like the way he plays, and he’s essentially the perfect backup. There might be a little controversy by acquiring a former starter that’s still in his prime, but what would Buffalo be without a quarterback controversy?
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 9:21 AM EST
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Oh my
Derek Horseballs Anderson? He is brutal. A walking turnover machine, one that has a $7 or $8M per year contract I believe….
~K
by Kurupt on
Dec 30, 2008 12:46 PM EST
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Again… should have said it here, said it below – I’m only going after the guy if he’s cut, not via trade.
“Horseballs”?
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 12:59 PM EST
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Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kerry Collins, UFA, Tennessee
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
I think these are all of the UFA QB’s.
Pipe Dream – Kerry Collins/Cassell
Want – Garcia/Ramsey
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by J2 on
Dec 30, 2008 9:19 AM EST
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Cross Warner, Cassel and Collins off the list immediately. If they’re signing anywhere else, it’s going to be as a starter.
Jeff Garcia wouldn’t be a bad idea, though I think he’d be a controversial backup. He’s always struck me as kind of pouty. He does have a history with Jauron, however…
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 9:22 AM EST
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Jeff Garcia
also happen to have a stunningly beautiful wife. Can that be reason to pick him as our backup QB?
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by moncheri on
Dec 30, 2008 10:43 AM EST
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yes
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 10:43 AM EST
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I don't know
Seems if Garcia gets a chance, he will create a QB controversy. Maybe that’d be good for Edwards as a motivation – but it could also get him looking over his shoulder constantly.
by oompaloompa on
Dec 30, 2008 4:08 PM EST
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False. Rex Grossman does not have a lame beard.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 10:00 AM EST
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That’s my favorite thing about Losman.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on
Dec 30, 2008 12:37 PM EST
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Is it just me?
Or are JP Losman & Kyle Orton long lost brothers?
But back to topic at hand:
My realistic choice choice would be Batch. I think Charlie has played pretty well when he has had his opportunities, and truly seems to be ok with his role as a back up. Also, he would be a minimal hit to salary cap. I really (as of right now) think TE is our guy, and I do not want the types of Garcia, Kurt, & Kitna coming in and starting a QB controversy. I don’t think Kurt would drum up any drama, but I believe Jeff & John most certainly would. Also, I think it would simply cost to much $$$ to bring those guys in.
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by MonStarr_716 on
Dec 30, 2008 3:32 PM EST
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I agree no controversy.., please
I like Charlie batch as well but he is getting older 35 next season.
I think Harrington & Ramsey both would be good options and they are much younger. Harrington has more starts than Batch so experience wise he is also a notch better.
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by keysh67 on
Dec 30, 2008 3:46 PM EST
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I understand the age concerns.....
But I still go with Charlie. If my memory serves me correctly (which it often fails) Batch has been the better on field talent in comparison to Joey and Patrick. I want an experienced guy, but also a guy who I won’t cringe at if Trent goes down. Other reasons I like CB, is i believe that he (in some strange way) that he would fit well in our offense (what ever that is). I think we are trying to become a power run team, JReed’s is similar to Hinze Wards style….Burner in Roscoe ie. Holmes..i just think..i guess that I am trying to convince myself that he would be somewhat comfortable with our offensive personnel, be cause some of the personnel are similar.
As far as Ramsey & Harrington, I think they are both pretty bad. I don’t want us to pick somebody up because they are available.
I think Charlie can stick around long enough for us to draft & groom an incumbent #2.
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by MonStarr_716 on
Dec 30, 2008 4:13 PM EST
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Comparing Holmes to Roscoe is extremely unfair to Holmes…..
Holmes and Evans are comparable, though Holmes seems like a bigger play threat….
~K
by Kurupt on
Dec 30, 2008 5:06 PM EST
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I think that Charlie is alot like Frank Reich in that he is any older guy
Content to make the money as a backup, help out the starter, and just be around football. Also, like Frank, he can win games for you a couple of times a year, not all the time, but a couple of times. And he knows how to handle a run game after his time with Barry back in Detroit and the Steelers the past couple of seasons.
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on
Dec 30, 2008 6:26 PM EST
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Brady likely to not be ready
Reports on ESPN have Tom Brady’s rehab on his knee behind schedule due to an infection. He may miss 2009 because of this. My guess is they will toss Cassell a ton of money to keep him around. Also, New England will be out for a back-up as well, so that will limit the options because if you had the choice, would you sign with a perrenial playoff contender or the lowly Buffalo Jills?
by JTM1023 on
Dec 30, 2008 10:18 AM EST
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There have also been reports that call that ESPN report faulty. Brady will probably play in 2009.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 10:22 AM EST
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My guess is that New England franchise Cassell then trade him to the San Francisco 49ers for their 1st round draft pick for the sole purpose of picking before Buffalo.
by Zumone on
Dec 30, 2008 10:35 AM EST
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if they franchise Cassell then you know that Brady’s recovery is not going well. Other than that I wouldn’t take most of the reports at face value.
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by J2 on
Dec 30, 2008 10:35 AM EST
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You guys can HAVE Ramsey.
Just a shout out from Denver. LOL
Seriously, Shanahan was high on him but with the regime change here in the Mile High his future may be in doubt. He’s a decent backup but he’s the sort of backup you want if your starter is down for a few snaps or part of a game. Not for say, four weeks.
by TheMastermind on
Jan 14, 2009 2:59 PM EST
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Is Kyle Boller that bad?
For the record, as of now, I think I’d be leaning toward Batch and Ramsey.
by krytime on
Dec 30, 2008 9:30 AM EST
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I’d say that Batch and Ramsey are better than Boller.
Ramsey seems to be sort of a consensus as I have seen that name pop up on these boards a few times. Either has experience which Edwards needs to have behind him.
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by J2 on
Dec 30, 2008 9:33 AM EST
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Ramsey really doesn’t have that much experience. Plus, I’ve seen him play at times in Denver behind Cutler, and he hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire – nor won games, for that matter.
Plus, the idea of replacing Losman with his Tulane predecessor is a little too much for me to stomach this morning. I’ll stick with, oh, anyone else. :)
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 9:36 AM EST
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LOL – I didn’t know he went to Tulane.
Yup – cross him off.
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by J2 on
Dec 30, 2008 9:40 AM EST
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Ramsey
started a few games for the Redskins and was their future before Gibss showed up and brought in Brunell. He would be great to have as a back up. He is starter caliber and would be a great mentor and fill-in for Edwards. Unlike Losman, this Tulane product is from the real LA, Louisiana, and grew up on etoufes, gumbos and stuff, not a transplanted California product like Losman.
I like Boller. Anyone who has started games in this league has a lot going for them. Boller was a marginal starter with the Ravens. He can definitely come in and win a few games.
I like the whole list except for Garcia and Kitna. They both still believe that they are serviceable starters and we don’t need the drama.
by Ono on
Dec 30, 2008 10:14 AM EST
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Anyone who has started games in this league has a lot going for them
even JP? ;)
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by J2 on
Dec 30, 2008 10:37 AM EST
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Boller. Go with Boller.
Nobody here is going to miss Ramsey.
by TheMastermind on
Jan 14, 2009 3:00 PM EST
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Good write Brian
It is not your fault the QB situation is easier to read than a “Dick and Jane” book. Even though it was only one game, the Denver game did show Edwards can play well in the cold. And even in the insane conditions last Sunday, Edwards threw some nice passes. He will never be the guy with the cannon arm, but that does not mean he can’t be a good QB. I would have to say I am on board the Edwards bandwagon, with maybe one foot hanging off the back.
J2 has covered most of the possible back-ups. What about David Carr and Phil Simms’ status?
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 9:37 AM EST
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oooppss how about Chris Simms
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 9:41 AM EST
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Joe – I think if Edwards gets a TE and WR #2 then we got ourselves over 4000 yd passer and over 15 tds per year. He just doesn’t have the weapans at this point.
It doesn’t look like he’ll be Tom Brady or anything but definately someone who if we created a solid cast around him could lead us to the promise land.
oooppss how about Chris Simms
Was gonna say – I don’t think we’re getting Phil
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by J2 on
Dec 30, 2008 9:44 AM EST
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Phil Simms - Status- retired a long, long time!!!
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 9:46 AM EST
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But he still has impeccable hair.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 9:47 AM EST
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Haha re: Phil Simms.
I’m guessing that Carr will re-up in New York.
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by Brian Galliford on
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Back up QBs in order of preferance
This could change, I’m feeling indecisive this morning.
1a- Kitna
1b- Batch
2- Garcia
3- Harrington
Ramsey stinks, I’m not sure why everyone likes him so much. Derek Anderson just signed a big deal with the Browns (not sure what the #’s are) If the Bills acquired him via trade they would asorb his contract. meaning that the back-up would be making more then the starter.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 10:21 AM EST
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Yeah, I should clarify that the only way I’m going after Anderson is if whoever becomes Cleveland’s new coach releases him. There’s no way I’d trade for him.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 10:27 AM EST
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besides
haven’t we filled our Derek quota?
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by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 10:45 AM EST
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You can never have enough Derek. In fact, I’m hearing rumors that Bo Derek is set to take over choreography of the Jills.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 10:49 AM EST
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If she was 15 years younger I would be excited about that.
I’m willing to bet that Joe can gardly contain himself at that bit of news.
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by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 10:53 AM EST
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Bo will always be a "Perfect 10" in my eyes!!!!
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 10:56 AM EST
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Yeah who am I kidding? I’m not that picky, besides shes got money.
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by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 11:42 AM EST
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by the way
My wife HATES it when I say that I’m not that picky.
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by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 11:43 AM EST
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Women are all the same
you should’ve known better ;)
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by moncheri on
Dec 30, 2008 11:44 AM EST
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You just can't say that
when you are looking at your wedding photos :-)
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 12:17 PM EST
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I got an email with pictures of Derek’s daughter(she is over 18). Wow.
Craig.
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Dec 30, 2008 11:33 AM EST
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McNabb a Pipe Dream?
Or a Nightmare? Talk about stunting the growth of a young QB-that would be Kurt Warner/Matt Leinart all over again. Which if it worked out that well for the Bills-okay. But who knows what’s going to happen to Leinart after this season, or where the Cards will be.
by Frank L on
Dec 30, 2008 10:58 AM EST
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Leinart has been in the league for a few years now, and has seen some playing time. After spending this year on the bench, he should be in better shape to run that offense. I really don’t think he was hurt by sitting and watching Warner. Don’t forget he was benched because he wasn’t playing well, sitting and watching for a bit couldn’t have hurt.
Trent could benifit a little from watching someone competent (read: not named J.P.) play QB for a little bit.
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by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 11:03 AM EST
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There is a school of thought that bringing in a vet and taking a stab at a playoff berth wouldn’t be a bad idea since, you know, it’s been a decade. I’m with you that it does more harm long-term, but I can’t fault those that want the playoffs, no matter the cost. It’d be nice.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 11:04 AM EST
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I was thinking about McNabb, too
but afraid to mention it since most people here seem totally committed to Edwards, and that commitment limits our options.
first, I like Edwards, and am hopeful enough based on flashes, but I also know this guy has the potential to be solid, and then some, but will never be a superstar – not in Buffalo anyway, given the weather and his mediocre arm strength – Buffalo aint a West Coast offense kind of town… maybe the Roger center would be… but what will hope get you? every team that’s been eliminated is full of hope right now.
If however, commitment to Edwards is not absolute – that finding another starter, even if for only a few more years for a shot NOW, I wouldn’t mind taking McNabb off the hands of those grumbling Philly fans. The guy is pretty tough – think of that game he threw 2 or 3 TD’s on one leg… He’s a standup guy, and a solid vet with a decade or so of experience. And the guy has the arm strength which we rarely have seen because of his injuries or lack of receivers in Philly would definitely help.
Do we have time to see if Edwards evolves into the savior? The field life of a RB is 3-4 years, maybe 5-6 if the guy is especially resilient – you think the way Beast runs he has 10 years as an effective back? I don’t. Maybe the way he’s been used so conservatively he’ll be in the 5-6 year bracket, but we’re coming to year 3, mid-career for a back. Evans is our best option on the flank and he’s at mid career. Hardy – well we’ll see. I think he might be too slow to be anything but a red-zone target.
I’m saying, maybe there needs to be a little urgency and making a move like McNabb would be an unequivocal commitment to NOW.
by oompaloompa on
Dec 30, 2008 4:30 PM EST
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McNabb isn’t going anywhere now that he’s gotten the Eagles to the playoffs. That’s really where the discussion ends.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 4:35 PM EST
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OK, even if McNabb is off the table, what about another starter caliber pick-up
my questions about Edwards remain, and, the fact that we are coming into the prime of some of our best players… the window is open and it is going to do nothing but close from here on.
I think the consensus is to hope on Edwards because to look elsewhere requires some serious rearranging of priorities…
If an opportunity like McNabb comes up – seems people don’t even want to consider that. That’s fine. But I don’t think the gist of the proposition is so completely off base.
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Dec 30, 2008 4:44 PM EST
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I would consider it, I’m just saying it’s unlikely, and McNabb is completely out of the question.
I’d say chances are 80/20 that Edwards is our starter next year, so the opinions you’re referencing as “not considering it” I think are just more dealing with probabilities.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 4:55 PM EST
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I agree that its unlikely
But I just didn’t think the discussion ended with McNabb getting the Eagles to the playoffs. We’re just kicking ideas around here.
I am suggesting a “move like McNabb” not a “move for McNabb” is something that might be interesting to flush out.
by oompaloompa on
Dec 30, 2008 5:16 PM EST
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Now that Jauron is back....I would go 99/01
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 5:30 PM EST
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Unfortunately, due to concern’s about Trent’s health, this is an important position for the Bills. Here are the guys I would like to see us look at:
1a) Batch
1b) Kitna
2) Boller
3) Harrington
I know I was a Kitna proponent, but if he really wants to start then I’m not so sure he’s my number one choice. Still, I think the price will be right and of all the guys I see as potential backups he’s the best QB.
For our third stringer, I don’t really care. If Trent likes having Hamdan, then fine, keep him. Otherwise, draft somebody in the late rounds.
As for Pipe dreams, how about repeating the Bledsoe era: trade with the Pats for the old busted former all-star? (not even sure I’d want to, but I had to throw the idea out there.) And as long as we’re talking about pipe dreams and guys who have hit the height of their careers, how about Kurt Warner?
by Hopefulcynic on
Dec 30, 2008 11:25 AM EST
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I think Edwards might not take so many shots if the Bills draft a quality center that can lead the OLine.
Then again, Edwards also takes shots when he hangs in there on the blitz in order to complete the pass, so scratch that thought above.
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Dec 30, 2008 1:17 PM EST
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Out of that free agent list, my top choice would be Jeff Garcia. He’s proven in his post-49ers days to be a perfect midseason replacement QB who is capable of playing great for a month or so, but is probably not good enough anymore to be a full time starter. That being said, I’d guess that Garcia goes somewhere where he’s at least in the mix to start and that’s probably not Buffalo…I’d go with Patrick Ramsey or Charlie Batch out of the free agents listed above and would try to avoid ending up with Grossman or Boller who would bring the same inconsistency that Losman brings to the position…I’d also monitor the Rams situation where both Trent Green and Marc Bulger makew a lot of money and teh Rams are going to start their whole organization over this month. My guess is that one or both of them will be released by the draft…if Buffalo’s going to carry a 3rd string QB, I’d like him to be a developmental guy (6th or 7th round pick) that could conceivably groomed as trade bait down the line…I’m not sure what an older nomad with no experience like Hamdan brings to the table that makes him worth tying up a roster spot when camp breaks.
by Benjamin Salem on
Dec 30, 2008 11:37 AM EST
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I’d go with Patrick Ramsey or Charlie Batch out of the free agents listed above and would try to avoid ending up with Grossman or Boller who would bring the same inconsistency that Losman brings to the position
I agree about Grossman and Boller being similar to Losman, but really what has Ramsey ever done to be considered better than those guys? I’m not picking on you Bennie, I’m seriously curious about this. Everyone seems to be in love with Ramsey, and I can’t for the life of me figure out what Ramsey has ever done to prove that he is a good QB.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 11:41 AM EST
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You could probably put Ramsey in that Losman/Boller/Grossman group, but I don’t think Ramsey ever experienced a prolonged failed stint in the league that those three did. He’s had some really bad situations around him as a pro- Spurrier coming into Washington to run a college offense where he got the crap beat out of him, winning the starting job under Gibbs only to suffer a pretty serious injury on opening day, and basically not getting another chance again with the Redskins, Jets, or Broncos. He’s a smart guy with a plus arm. He’s not the ideal veteran backup I want, but if worst came to worst, he might be a decent longshot bet that could pay off nicely.
by Benjamin Salem on
Dec 30, 2008 11:52 AM EST
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Losman - Tulane......
Ramsey- Tulane…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on
Dec 30, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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Good call on the Rams situation, though I’m still not certain that Trent Green is an appealing option. Bulger would be, but my guess is that somebody like SF would snap him up quickly to start, particularly if they keep Martz as their coordinator.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 11:46 AM EST
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If Trent Green isn’t appealing, how about his old rival, Damon Huard who might have lost his job to Tyler Thigpen. I think KC drafts a QB high this year and lets Thigpen battle the rookie in camp. Huard has the grizzledness that I’m looking for personally.
by Benjamin Salem on
Dec 30, 2008 12:09 PM EST
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Didn’t K.C. have to talk him out of retirement this past year? Not saying it couldn’t be done again, but it might be tougher to get him to play this year.
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by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 12:11 PM EST
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Yeah, Huard is definitely a more appealing option to me than Green.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 12:40 PM EST
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Trent's health
If Trent’s health is of concern, which has been the case so far, then aside from looking at a vet backup QB, we should also be talking about the QB coach — Alex van Pelt. Eli Manning is not a particularly mobile QB, but he steps up and twists his shoulders to avoid the pass rush consistently. Jason Campbell is another QB who is great in these moves. These are important skills for Trent to learn; more important than for the Bills organization to get a vet backup QB just to wait until Trent gets hurt.
We are back to the original problem — coaching. We need really good professional trainers/coaches to help our young guys develop. Trent is the same.
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by moncheri on
Dec 30, 2008 11:38 AM EST
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What about Alex Smith?
I wonder if he will be released?
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"
by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 12:21 PM EST
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Not sure I would trust him to bag my groceries
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 12:31 PM EST
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Yeah, but he can hold a mean clipboard.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"
by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 12:34 PM EST
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Yeah, but so can Gibran Hamdan.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 12:40 PM EST
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and that is why I say
concentrate the $ on the O & D lines. Put some unearned trust in Trent, put some more trust in Hamdan for the #2, and draft White from VT in round 4.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on
Dec 30, 2008 12:49 PM EST
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Pat White
provides a dimension that keeps the offense relevant and potent. He could line up at 3 or four different positions.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on
Dec 30, 2008 1:01 PM EST
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Eesh. “Putting trust in Hamdan” as our #2 is putting it mildly. He’s thrown 2 NFL passes. He won’t be here next year as our backup.
Pat White goes to WVU.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 1:02 PM EST
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He could be
if a very solid 3rd came from the draft.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on
Dec 30, 2008 1:13 PM EST
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It’s just way easier to get a very solid 2nd.
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 1:18 PM EST
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I would be more willing to take that chance if we had actually seen him play
instead of JP. At least Smith has experience playing in an NFL game.
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 1:01 PM EST
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I thought he looked decent in the preseason.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on
Dec 30, 2008 1:03 PM EST
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Yes and I have experience doing the Macarena
That wasn’t pretty either.
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by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 1:52 PM EST
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What Eric isn’t sharing about his Macarena days is that while he was dancing it at his wedding, his wife was repeatedly telling herself “I’m not picky, I’m not picky, I’m not picky…”
:)
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by Brian Galliford on
Dec 30, 2008 1:59 PM EST
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I would not doubt that for a second.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Dec 30, 2008 2:00 PM EST
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Yes: Kitna, Batch
Maybe: Ramsey, Harrington, Garcia
No: Grossman, Losman, Boller
~K
by Kurupt on
Dec 30, 2008 12:54 PM EST
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Batch, definitely
I think we definitely need to look at these FA possibilities in terms of Trent’s development, and I think Batch would be, by far, the best mentor in that group.
One of my best friends is a Steelers fan, so I’ve watched Batch a lot over the last few years. He makes good decisions with the ball, and he’s pretty damn good in the clutch. Bring in a QB late in the draft to train as a backup (possibly Hamdan, don’t remember a single pass he’s thrown).
by PozDispenser on
Dec 30, 2008 12:55 PM EST
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My two cents:
Chaz Batch as number 2
Draft Mike Teel from Rutgers in the 6th or 7th round…….done and done.
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on
Dec 30, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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One thing for sure
Trent will NEED a solid backup. I think his brain is tough as nails, but he’s kinda fragile. I thought he was going to break something on a few of those sacks in the last two games. It hasn’t been mentioned much, but drafting a solid prospect is probably a good idea.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on
Dec 30, 2008 2:20 PM EST
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I wanted to note -
I was the first guy on the Charlie Batch bandwagon.
by MattRichWarren on
Dec 30, 2008 5:18 PM EST
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You should put that for your signature
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations"
by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 5:50 PM EST
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Then I must have been 1a on that bandwagon
I was pushing for him this past spring before he resigned with Pittsburgh!
Now if only this gopher could play DE, we would be doing better, I mean, who couldn't play better than the corpse brothers Kelsay and Denney?
by WABillsfan on
Dec 30, 2008 6:34 PM EST
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Maybe you guys should thumb wrestle for it.....ready.....set.....GOOOOOOOOOOO!
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by Joe P. on
Dec 30, 2008 9:58 PM EST
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When? I’m pretty sure we mentioned him last offseason!
~K
by Kurupt on
Dec 30, 2008 10:46 PM EST
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People always call Edwards a precise passer because that’s what they can say about a QB who’s scared to throw the ball other than his 90% dump off check downs! Edwards has not looked good in his two year NFL career and the fans dilusional perception of him is mostly due to hope which I understand! Edwards has the lowest percentage of TD’s per quarter played of any QB in the NFL since he came into the league and to watch him first hand is an even worse story!! I like him being a part of this team as a guy competing for his job at best but I believe he will should be a backup, at least at this stage of his career but with Jauron returning we will see more of Edwards and more field goals and a TD every other game!-Edwards is the mirror image of what Jauron would be as an NFL Quarterback!
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