Bills swept by Dolphins, lose seventh of nine
There will come a point in my sad little life when I decide that there are literally a million things I'd rather be doing on Sunday afternoons. The Buffalo Bills are that bad.
The latest debacle? A 16-3 "home" loss to the Miami Dolphins, in front of a "sellout" Toronto crowd that is sure to never want to watch live NFL football again.
Nothing about this game was "good". Even the Dolphins weren't outstanding. Of course, when you play the Bills, you don't really have to be. Miami's 8-5, tied for the division lead and streaking toward the playoffs; the Bills are thinking about a season gone down the tubes.
Losman fails audition
We heard it all week - with Trent Edwards (groin) out, J.P. Losman had his golden opportunity to prove, on an international stage, that he's worth a look when he becomes an unrestricted free agent next March. He then proceeded to complete 48 percent of his passes for a paltry 123 yards. He threw an interception, was sacked four times, fumbled three times and lost one of them. His QB rating was a whopping 45.8.
Not that Losman had much of a chance to begin with. Despite trailing by 10 or fewer points for much of the game, Buffalo once again abandoned the run too early, an error quickly becoming a trademark of offensive coordinator Turk Schonert. Marshawn Lynch ran the ball 13 times for a measly 31 yards; Fred Jackson didn't touch the ball once. Losman himself was the Bills' leading rusher with 53 yards on 5 scrambles. Without a running game, Buffalo held the ball for just over 22 minutes.
Another slow start
For a seventh consecutive game, Buffalo's opponent opened up the scoring when Chad Pennington hit Anthony Fasano for an early 7-0 lead. In seven games, Buffalo's opponents have opened up the game with 57 points before the Bills could counter with a score of their own.
Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams combined for 110 rushing yards, and Miami converted key third downs to control the flow of the game from start to finish. Buffalo's defense wasn't spectacular, but once again, they did enough to win if Buffalo could ever figure out how to field a competent offense.
The offense was terrible... again. The defense was... there. The special teams were... a non-factor. The Bills have three games to play in their 2008 season, but honestly, I'm struggling to find reasons to care. The 2009 NFL Draft is just under 139 days away, folks!
Game Ball
CBS announcer Kevin Harlan, for being a gigantic moron. You can only say "Ricky Brown" so many times before it's ridiculous.
Roll call
I'm not sure why y'all keep dropping by, but I'm glad you do. 1,122 comments today is well played, and we need to congratulate norcaliangelsfan for pacing us yet again in number of comments, because once his new baby comes, he won't be around. Or at least, he shouldn't be. Congratulations, sir - on both counts, but obviously more importantly on the good news.
Thanks to the 44 folks who joined me today.
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I have nothing else to suggest, other than this: "This team is terrible" comments aren't necessary, because we know. Let's brainstorm by answering this question: "If you ran the Bills, what would be the first thing you'd do?" Have at it.
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Totally missed the game; uh, looks as if I should be glad.
Love the game ball!
by thefourwinds on Dec 7, 2008 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm spent the whole game driving through heavy rain going to Portland
And I think that was the more productive thing to do today. Wow, I mean, I read the thread and this looks like an unmitigated disaster. So what would I do?
1- Offer The Chin whatever he wanted to be GM/HC here
2- Draft Alex Mack with our 1st round pick, Selvie if we can in the 2nd or any other pass rushing talent.
3- Remove Denney, Royal, Preston and Fowler. Find anyone who can play C to back up Mack.
4- And I’m not sure, going to go drink now…
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Dec 8, 2008 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I ran the Bills....
Dick Jauron would be packing his few mementos and bringing Turk “I’m overmatched in every way” Schonernt with him….
Fred Jackson must have gotten hurt….he wasn’t even in on the kickoffs w/Leo…
Not only does this team suck, I’m guessing one of the worst 5 teams in the league currently, but they are totally unwatchable. We couldn’t score a TD against SF and Miami?!?! This organization freakin’ stinks in every way. Really, does anybody see any light at the end of the tunnel? There are few bright spots, if at all, and it’s downright depressing….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 7, 2008 7:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no light
and its completely on the QB and offense and Turk and Dick Jauron and senile RALPH!
HOW CAN AN OFFENSE BE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD????
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 7, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i left
the bar and said to myself for the 8,000,000th time “why am i a bills fan again?” The anemic offensive futility is so bad and terrible to watch….I mean bottom line is we need a QB and who the hell knows if Edwards is the guy anymore? We need him to play the last 3 weeks though to get more experience…JP IS AWFUL! PUT IN HAMDAN!
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 7, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Marv. Maybe you need to take the night off; you’re not the Marv we know and love.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 7, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what would I do?
As delusional as I am and I apologize Brian, I just put too much into this that sometimes the emotions get the best of me.
But I would a) Keep Jauron
b) Fire Schonert
c) keep my eyes glued for a veteran QB to bring in and compete with Edwards
d) Draft a pass catching TE in the first round
e) spend the rest of my picks on DE, speed rushers, C
IT is simple. This offense just can’t produce. Its the same story as last year except we have a better defense this year. Our problems all stem offensively? Why is it so hard to get a good offense??
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 7, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"why am i a bills fan again?"
I think we all ask ourselves that question. Does anybody really have a good explanation as to why we still love the post-Jim Kelly era Bills? I can. One day Kelly will buy this sad pathetic team and return us to glory land, but until then we are stuck with this. A big pile of suck.
And I’m sorry for being negative, but Im a Bills fan, true at heart.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Dec 7, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great write up Brian Galliford.......awesome....
First off, thanks for the congrats – its appreciated, (and thanks for the well wishes from everyone else on the board) and you’re probably right..once the baby comes I wont be around (as much) but I’ll still come around…..I love it here too much….plus I love the Bills…even though..they are god awful right now.
First I wanna throw some positives out there: Kudos to the defense for keeping the team in the game, like you said Brian (Galliford) (okay thats the last time I promise LOL) The D kept the game close enough to win…..giving up 16 points at “home” should be good enough to win the game…but with this team…its not.
As for your question at the bottom Imma make the case for my choice of a new direction – Jim Harbaugh.
Jim Harbaugh currently the coach at Stanford would bring a welcomed attitude adjustment to the current regime. Harbaugh is a no-nonsense “blue-collar” type of coach who expects his teams to be physical and they are normally well-prepared each week.
Most of you know the professional background of Harbaugh (QB for the Bears, and Colts and few other teams) He is probably most famously remembered for leading the 1995 colts to the AFC Championship game in which they almost knocked off the Steelers (who went on to lose to the Cowgirls) They lost at the end on a dropped Hail Mary pass (not to mention the bogus TD catch by kordell Stewart in which he first stepped out of bound and then made the catch, but this was before instant replay)…so nonetheless the team lost and Peyton Manning soon came to take over the colts.
Anyways as for Harbaugh the coach……Everywhere he’s been he’s been successful. First as an assistant on the Western Kentucky national championship team. Then on the Raiders staff in 2002-2003 (team that went to the Superbowl) Following that up with turning around the University of San Diego and winning 2 consective League titles before moving on to take over a 1-11 Stanford team. His first year with Stanford he improved the team to 4-8 including a win against cross-town rival Cal in the Big Game in which Stanford has been on the short end of the stick the last few years.
This Stanford was two last second losses away from being 7-5 and a bowl birth. Harbaugh has shown consistant improvement year after year in every place he’s been in.
He’s just the type of head guy that the Bills need to improve the “soft” label that seems to be thrown around alot here lately.
To go along with Harbaugh a proven OC needs to be put into place. Much like Cam Cameron is doing for Jim’s brother John over in Baltimore.
I dont know exactly who would be available to pair up with Harbaugh, but I trust his decision making (minus his choice for QB this year for Stanford) and I have no doubt that he would bring about a culture of change to the Bills…..
Like my signature says though…..its just a pipe dream…
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 7:48 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hey cali,
Good luck on being a fashza(as Goldmember would say it). So you think the Angels are gonna make a push for CC? Do you want them to or do you want them to push for Tex?
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by NYTXFAN on Dec 7, 2008 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not an Angels fan, but it sure seems they need some O more than another pitcher….They’ve got pretty darn good pitching depth, it would seem….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct, the O is a bigger concern right now.....
problem with the Halos is that there is a ton of younger undeveloped players who are supposed to start supplying the Offense…….however these young guns have failed to stay healthy and/or consistant down the stretch (and especially in the playoffs vs Boston) Main problem right now is getting folks on ahead of Vlad, Teix and Torri Hunter (who all had a great postseason but were unable to drive in any runs because no one in the top two or bottom 3 spots could deliever a big hit besides C Mike Napoli)
So if it were up to me……we would get a more proven and consistant hitter in the 2 hole…..(whether it be in house or not) RESIGN TEIX and get some production from the 8-9 hole…..to go along with the pitching..
However…you can never have too much good pitching in my opinion (especially with injuries and such)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks.....
well im under the impression that Teixiera is indeed the number 1 priority…….And I think CC is 1a. However there are some rumors about possibly a trade for Jake Peavy of the Padres….if it were up to me….I’d sign Teix…and trade for Peavy…….and if CC wanted to come to the Halos for less than 140 mil……then I’d be down for that….
just my opinion…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2008 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good game.
Winner of All Movie Quote Challenges
by DolfinPhan on Dec 7, 2008 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol nice draft counter, too
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by DolfinPhan on Dec 7, 2008 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Schonert.
Drink until I can’t tell the bills from the steelers.
by tony_flow on Dec 7, 2008 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah forgot to mention about the Draft counter......
nice touch Brian
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no
draftable player would even begin to turn this franchise around. This team is lost and this franchise is lost. The only sliver of hope is that Edwards next year has a revelation and decides to not suck
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Dec 7, 2008 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Edwards could easily have this “revelation” with some better coaching.
by thefourwinds on Dec 7, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Edwards sucking is the symptom, not the cause. I can’t say that he’s definitely not the second coming of Kelly Holcomb, but the play calling and coaching isn’t doing him any favors. He should get another year. If I were Trent, I’d take my time coming back from the groin injury.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is lost and this franchise is lost.
Please, marv, let not the beating pulse i need slip from your reach. We are giong to be there in the end.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Dec 7, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would I do?
First thing I would keep all my coaches but Bobby April on one year contracts. I would tell Turk to run the ball 40 times a game if it is a one score game with more than four minutes left in the game. Tell Perry Fewell to keep it up. You can’t fault the defense for the last few weeks.
Draft a playmaking TE that won’t drop the ball over the middle. Get a Center who will block the Nose Tackle and move Preston back to reserve guard. Add a Weakside Linebacker ro replace Crowell. Move Bryan Scott to SS full time and Whitner to FS, relegating Ko SImpson to backup safety.
So why no big change on offense??? The biggest change I could make would be to get in my OC’s ear and tell him to run the ball. I know you were all screaming at the TV on 1st and goal when JP threw the int. Why wouldn’t you be screaming then? My wife knows nothing of football and was eating dinner and said “That was an awful throw. Why did he do that?” My answer was: “Just Plain LoseMan”.
by MattRichWarren on Dec 7, 2008 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whose Idea....
Was it to through a fade route to Lee?
Isnt that why we Drafted Hardy?
Granted he dropped something but idc i would take 6’5" over 5’"11
by Parrish11rules on Dec 7, 2008 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt have matter if he was 8'11".....that throw wasnt gonna cut it Period
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah im just Saying it coulda changed his mentality a lil bit with a bigger target he could see…..
just whhat i wanted to say
by Parrish11rules on Dec 7, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It worked against the Chargers.
It would have worked again if JP wasn’t in there.
by twoeightnine on Dec 7, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They ran that play against the Chargers.
It’s the TD Evans caught one handed against his helmet.
by twoeightnine on Dec 7, 2008 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's talking about Evans TD against the chargers when he caught the ball against his helmet
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah thanks for the clarification
by Parrish11rules on Dec 8, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Complete change of staff is required.
Keep Bobby April if he is even willing to stay. Poor head coach, ass-istant coaches, line coach, strength coach, etc. With the coaching being so poor, it is hard to tell how good or bad most of our players are. We have beat to death the obvious needs of C, DE, and LB. I hope we don’t make the same mistake with our QBs next year. Many of you said JP was our best bet at backup QB this season. How many of you would make that statement now? Essentially, we have lost one year of development of a young QB, who we may need to start next year depending on how Edwards looks the rest of the season. Sure, we can bring in a vet, but that is still only a stop gap. At some point I hope we get a look at Hamdan. I think it is safe say now we are out of it, and there is no reason to play JP.
Congrats norcal…..if you have a laptop, you may have to learn to type one handed. That way you can rock the baby and type at the same time!!!!
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well seeing as the due date for the kid is around the 22nd of this month....its not like Im gonna miss much.
however the doctors tell me that if the baby isnt born by the 28th they will Induce labor on the 29th which oddly enough…is the last game for the Bills this season…..
so who knows….(me personally, i think the baby will come around the 15-17th)
and yes…….I am using a laptop, so thanks for the great idea!
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i mean the 29th is the day after that last game for the bills....
lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If your wife is game, schedule a C-section
it has many benefits for her and for you :-)
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah........
well not married (just the GF, but thats a different story, another time) she doesnt wanna do it that way….and as long as the baby girl comes out fine, I dont care how or when she comes out
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The good thing is...
a new baby outshines pretty much everything else in life; a great antidote for a miserable football season. Who knows, you may be taking your daughter to the next Buffalo Bills playoff game, when she’s twenty!
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And with a crappy season,
he will not be tempted to name his daughter Dick, Turk, or Perry ! LOL
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah......no real chance of that happening......
lawl……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Phew!
Don’t want to do that to the little darling. She’ll have to live with the name so choose wisely.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
already got the name.......
Kasi (pronounced Cassie) Lynn Johnson
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
easy to spell, unique…yes, that sounds like an excellent name.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice name.......Why the different spelling?
Nothing wrong with it, I am just curious…seems to be a trend these days.
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a good idea. It’s shorter than Cassie. Imagine all of the keystrokes saved over a lifetime!
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha.....most def.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well....figured if I preach innovative offensive and defensive gameplans for my fav football team....
i can do the same when picking out the name for my child….
and yeah…i guess there is a trend these days for people to change around the spelling……..just like NJBILL said….its for the uniqueness factor I suppose.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just consider what your child will have to go through the rest of her life when no one can ever figure out how to pronounce or spell her name….
by thefourwinds on Dec 7, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
people misprounce and spell my name wrong all the time....
Jeremiah – and its a book of the bible….
sooooo i think you’re gonna get that no matter what with most names.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, totally your choice. Just my $0.02.
by thefourwinds on Dec 7, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and its all good, i appreciate your two cents.....
and my girl and I have def talked about this…because we’ve already seen it happen with my GF’s mom mispelling the baby’s name a few times…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My daughters name is Onika (pronounced On-I- Ka, like Annika Sorenstam) and my relatives still screw it up.
We call her Oni for short.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 7, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that name....good choice
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats a great plan ha
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooooops......sorry, didn't mean to put any pressure on you ! LOL
The health of the baby is the #1 concern. Best of luck…..Daddy :-)
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron will be gone tomorrow....
…at least I hope, but what’s the point now, except to give April a shot at running the team. Brian, nice write-up on the game given the circumstances. I would typically be depressed for 48 hours, but I spent part of the game with my family sharing Sunday dinner, which was time better spent. Not much else to say except I doubt the Bills will win another game this year. The sad thing is, that despite the teams performance up until the SF game, they could have been tied with the Jets and Patriots for the division lead and controlled their own destiny. How did the team respond? No TD’s and 2 FG’s in two winnable games. They are where they are…lost and sinking. It’s the utter hopelessness that gets me the most. Unless changes are made at the top, there is not much to look forward to; that is until the memories of this disappointing season pass.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can pretty much guarantee that Jauron won’t be gone tomorrow. Can’t make that same guarantee after the season, though. Wilson won’t fire a guy in-season.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 7, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I agree with that
No point in firing Jauron now. The let us see what April can do argument does not make sense to me at this point. Not enough time left in the season to make a differnce. It would not be a fair test of his coaching abilities.
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Jauron might be canned tomorrow?
Ralphie boy hates losing to Miami. And to do it during an historic game, with such a miserable performance, well I just don’t see how he can sit by and do nothing. Jaurwong won’t be coaching the Bills next year so why not?
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because we can't talk to Steve Spagnuolo until after the
Giants win the SuperBowl.
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph has fired coaches in season before…
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by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not recently.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 7, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True...
But Wilson would have fired Gregg Williams himself had Donahoe not been running the ship.
Bills in-season firings: Joe Collier, Lou Saban, Kay Stephenson, Hank Bullough and now Dick Jauwrong.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you cant say that about Jauron though.....
cuz it hasnt happened
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just being hopeful!
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
Maybe the Bills should have worn the Argonauts uniforms.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 7, 2008 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
more like pretty pink dresses with bows in their hair!
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least the offence
…JP could look like Burt Lahr in the “wizard of Oz” after his Emerald City makeover. .
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe the season is over.
That stinks.
by krytime on Dec 7, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How come I don't see savedbychrist, godaddy, or valleygirl on the roll call?
I liked Dick. Good riddance. I’m just amazed that the guy who kept the team together last year is the same guy coaching this year.
We need to draft Alex Mack in the first round. Preston and Fowler can’t hack it. We need to improve the pass rush. The defense as a whole has been playing well but they’re getting no pressure.
by twoeightnine on Dec 7, 2008 8:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Until the team figures out what to do at the top
we can’t move forward. Jim Harbaugh, interesting idea; I like the guy. Mack, a good draft choice, yes, first round??? All good questions for the new regime to ponder.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first thing I would do is fire Jauron and Schonert. I have had these guys’ backs for weeks now but I am sick of Schonert giving up on the run game and making our offense so 1-dimensional. The straw on the camel’s back for me with regards to Jauron was reading this week that he refuses to have the team practice outside in the cold to better acclimate themselves for gameday (The early 90’s Bills are laughing at you right now) I would then slap Ralph around until he agreed to pay Bill Cowher WHATEVER he desired. If Cowher simply was not interested I would give Schottenheimer enough money to get him back in Buffalo. Let them pick the new OC Then I would set up my draft priorities as follows:
1. RECEIVING tight end (Jermaine Gresham from OU?) 2. Dominating Center (Alex Mack if he is still available in Rd 2/ trade back into Rd 1) 3. OLB to replace Ellison who would go back to the bench OR a DE pass rush specialist . 4. SS and move Donte to FS
by billsnterps on Dec 7, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol at your "slap ralph around" comment....
I think its illegal to abuse the elderly…..but a hilarious mental image….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s going to be any new coach, he needs to be given the authority to pick his entire coaching staff. If he chooses to keep somebody, that has to be his call.
by thefourwinds on Dec 7, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
“If there’s going to be any new head coach…”
by thefourwinds on Dec 7, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re right, but an exception should be made for Ralph. I have this sneaking suspicion lately though that the organization is completely content with mediocrity as long as they sell tickets. Jauron is proof of that, he is essentially a budget coach in my mind when we could have had McCarthy. We need a proven, no nonsense coach like Schottenheimer (look what he did with a young San Diego team before the GM decided they couldnt get along) or Cowher (Perfect blue-collar guy to bring Buffalo to glory) or someone of that nature. Ralph is too cheap for that however. I am not sure how much more of this mediocrity I can take.
by billsnterps on Dec 7, 2008 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well McCarthy wasnt a proven name.....
and this year, without Favre…..he’s been rather abysmal.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re absolutely right, my mistake.
by billsnterps on Dec 7, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
methinks you were referring to Sherman.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah......
and he’s sucked at Texas AM this year…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a few off-the-cuff thoughts
1 – JP isn’t worth discussing because he’ll be gone next year, and was only used because our first-string guy was hurt. What concerns me is what has happened to Trent. and can he be turned around to be the good QB we hope he’ll be? I think so, but someone has to get inside his head.
2 – I repeat for the zillionth time that our offensive line still is pathetic when it comes to run blocking and that is the main thing holding this offense back. How many times did Marshawn have someone all over him the minute he was handed the ball? This is ridiculous. It’s gotten so bad the last decade that I am shocked whenever I see a big hole open up for a running back. That said, I’m not convinced Lynch is a great back and helps his line by hitting the right holes and hitting them quickly, as Jackson does. We still don’t make first downs rushing when we need them, while the opponents do.
3 – On that note, if you have no pass rush, or very little pass rush – well, the other team will control the ball on you as Miami did today. We make average QBs look like all-pros almost every week by giving them all day to throw!
4 – Coaching? Yeah, I’d make big change – but ONLY if I knew I could get somebody who would give this team what it needs……and I don’t have confidence the FO has the ability to select the right person. Their track record certainly doesn’t indicate they do. I am not a Ralph Wilson-basher but I share the fear that he won’t shell out huge bucks for a proven winner like Cowher.
5 – Regarding a new offensive coordinator, it ain’t gonna happen as long as Jauron is here. He’ s not the type of guy to fire someone he just promoted to that position, which is admirable. He doesn’t treat people like that. The problem is our coach is not character, but judgment. The OCs he’s hired aren’t exactly impressive.
6 – Great post, Brian. I’m sorry if I vented (which is not what you wanted. I apologize).
by ccthemovieman on Dec 7, 2008 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
By the numbers
1. True
2. True. I’ll add that Marshawn does hit holes with authority when there is a rare commitment to the running game. Usually, he’s jitterbugging to his detriment brcause he’s looking for big yards.
3. Doubly true
4. No if’s…make the change now. With enough changes even Wilson will eventually stumble upon a competent coach.
5. True
6. You’re not alone
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
You convinced me. I like how you used the words “stumble upon.”
by ccthemovieman on Dec 7, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am to the point where I am willing to take a chance on a new unproven
head coach like Jim Harbaugh or Urban Myer if we can’t get Bill Cowher or Steve Spagnuolo.
by Joe P. on Dec 7, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Turner Gill would probably do a better job then these clowns…especially on game day.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thought you guys might like to read this
This is from a site called BuffaloBillsDaily.com:
Here are our position by position grades:
Quarterback:
J.P. Losman overthrew an open Parrish on the 1st offensive series forcing the Bills to punt and that set the tone for a terrible day. The Bills spread the field a lot and went to the air often but there was little success as Losman completed only 13 of 27 passes for 123 yards. He had three completions in the first half. He also fumbled twice and was sacked four times. As usual most of the sacks were because he was holding the ball too long. He was the leading rusher for the Bills with 53 yards on five carries. That is never good. Grade F: Neither QB has done anything right lately.
Running Backs:
Marshawn Lynch dropped two passes and was stopped short on a fourth down reception. Why are we talking about his receiving? Because he only ran the ball 13 times for 31 times. Fred Jackson was not in the gameplan for some reason that I cannot comprehend. He was only on the field a few plays and did not touch the football. Corey McIntyre was a non factor with the team in the spread offense most of the game. Grade F: It is tough when you don’t touch the ball enough but they did nothing when they did.
Receivers:
Lee Evans was supposed to put it all together today but he only had three catches for 23 yards. Josh Reed caught five passes for 58 yards and was the only spark on offense. Roscoe Parrish had two catches for 19 yards. James Hardy dropped the only pass thrown his way. Robert Royal dropped the only pass thrown to him. Derek Schouman had one catch for five yards. Steve Johnson caught a 14 yard reception. Grade F: How come nobody ever seems open?
Offensive Line:
They gave up four sacks and the team only had 2.4 yards per carry from Lynch. Derrick Dockery was called for holding on one play but the pass went incomplete and the penalty was declined. Jason Peters recovered a fumble but that is because his man caused it with a blindside hit on Losman. He left the game for a while and Kirk Chambers replaced him and was beaten for a sack. Grade F: This unit took huge steps backwards.
Defensive Line:
Ryan Denney knocked down a pass and had two tackles but no pressure. Chris Kelsay had a bad offsides penalty late in the first half but made three tackles including two in the backfield. Marcus Stroud clogged up the middle well and had three tackles. Kyle Williams had three tackles while Spencer Johnson had a sack and was in on four tackles. Grade C: Still need to get pressure.
Linebackers:
Paul Posluszny had 11 tackles including many late. Kawika Mitchell had a very quiet six tackles. Keith Ellison was in on nine tackles despite being off the field on a few extra occasions for an extra safety. Grade C: Gave up a few too many plays in the middle of the field.
Secondary:
Terrence McGee made a nice pass breakup to force a punt on Miami’s opening possession and another nice pass breakup in the second quarter. He had good coverage all day and had eight tackles. Leodis McKelvin did decent in coverage and had three tackles. Bryan Scott had a great open field tackle on Williams to force a punt. He was beaten in the 2nd quarter for a 15 yard pass on a 3rd and 16 play. He finished with 10 tackles and he was very active. Donte Whitner was beaten by the tight end Fasano for Miami’s first touchdown. The play before that he missed a tackle for loss on third and one. He played better as the game went on and had six tackles. Ko Simpson was late getting over on Miami’s first touchdown but he was active with four tackles. Grade B: Did a good job in pass protection after the touchdown drive.
Special Teams:
Brian Moorman punted five times with a 43 yard average and a net of 39.6 with just one going inside the 20. Rian Lindell hit his lone field goal attempt from 40 yards out just inside the left upright. Roscoe Parrish had two punt returns for 11 yards and returned two kickoffs for 40 yards. Leodis McKelvin also had two kickoff returns but they went for 56 yards. George Wilson was called for a costly holding penalty on a punt return forcing the Bills to start another drive inside the 20. The coverage units allowed 17 yards on two punt returns and gave up an average of 19.5 yards on two kickoff returns. Grade C: Didn’t do anything to help the anemic offense but didn’t hurt anything either.
Coaching:
Where do we begin? To a man after the game the players seemed a loss of words and have no idea what is happening. The blame for that is squarely on the head coach if they don’t know what is wrong. Dick Jauron’s days in Buffalo are probably coming to an end contract or no contract extension. Turk Schonert will be gone as well. Why throw it on first and goal from the 3? Another failed replay challenge? Only 13 carries from Lynch? It’s unbelievable. At least they didn’t waste any timeouts this week. Perry Fewell did some good things as he used three safeties a lot to defend the wildcat and he was effective with it. His unit can’t do it alone. Grade F: It’s time to blow this thing up once again.
by ccthemovieman on Dec 7, 2008 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
fairly accurate on all grades.......
although I think Josh Reed’s play should bump the WR’s up to a D-
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 7, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Bills Daily
They also do a good job tracking salaries. I believe that this may be the first all F offence performance (the Canadian/British spelling was on purpose…to reflect the American adjective synonymous with insulting). I can’t wait for the D&C grades. Of course, my Jauwrong firing radar is on high alert.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On second thought...
I’d give the entire offence a grade of I….for invisible.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 7, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
N/A
for Not Allowed on the charter….I hope
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP seemed accurate only in the 0-10 yd range.
His long ball wasn’t even close. On the long ball to Parrish early, Lee was wide open about 15yds over the middle. If I were the HC, I’d throw the quick slant to Stevie and Josh all day long. I’d run Hardy over the middle close to the back of the endzone in the red zone. On the play where he was stripped, it looked like a curl to me and the ball, as usual, was late. I’d run Hardy on 15-20yd slants much more often. I would change the offensive blocking scheme and the defensive secondary scheme. And I would go C, DE, TE, DE in the draft.
everything goes better with bacon
by keuka121 on Dec 7, 2008 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On the negative side, I thought Marshawn's drop of that potential 1st down pass
was a game turner. Big momentum change. We drop way too many passes.
everything goes better with bacon
by keuka121 on Dec 7, 2008 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please let this game be the end of the “J.P. Losman should get a chance to play” talk. I’m looking squarely at you Bucky Gleason. J.P. has been at the helm for the last 6 quarters of play for the Bills, and generated 6 points. In the words of the immortal Stan Lee, " ’nuff said."
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Dec 7, 2008 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
AND
Edwards is not, in my mind, having more than a dry spell. The whole coaching staff has to go. Its time for new things. This team has talent, and if the offense could stay on the field, the defense would look alot better. Not to mention the obvious need for a pass rush…still don’t know it Schoebel would be fixing the problem were he in there.
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Dec 7, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure someone mentioned it, but
Bills cornerbacks played 12 yards off the recievers on third and 10 late in the third quarter. No further discussion.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Dec 8, 2008 12:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
another thing to upset everyone….if we do indeed see a coaching change, we could very well see a QB change. A new coach would have to fully believe in Edwards, or we’ll see another guy brought in almost immediately….
~K
by Kurupt on Dec 8, 2008 12:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly...
and it’d probably be some washed-up veteran to try and control the bleeding for a bit. Derek Anderson could be the one such player i’d stomach coming to Buffalo.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2008 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
n0000000000000000000
I’d rather the new guy (hypothetically of course) draft a new guy and develop him..(even though that sucks waiting)…than to take someone elses garbage….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2008 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it all when I see it all...
In recent years, this team has a record of going after someone else’s “glory.” Robbie, Kelly, and Johnny Paul come to mind. Somewhere in there, a guy named Billy Joe Hobert played too. I think Thurman completed more passes that season though.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2008 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Anderson was mediocre at best this year....
and last year he was a beneficiary of a better running game and crap schedule…..There’s a reason he was a very low round draft pick
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2008 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 8, 2008 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not suggesting I want him to come aboard, but suggeting that he’s probably the best mediocre veteran out there.
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2008 6:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Pennington one of those mediorce veterans?
I live in the NYC area and nary a soul—all 20 million of them—shed a tear upon his untimely departure. So the guy goes to a previously 1-15 team and now the dreaded marine mammals control their destiny for the division crown with only three games left. Sometimes the right system, coaches and teammates all fall into place for a retread QB. Football history is teeming with examples. The problem is not with Derek Anderson per se, but with the Bills themselves. BTW, it’s too early to give up on Edwards.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 8, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards would be given a fair chance to win the job.
Maybe Edwards is the next Frank R.? Who ever the Bills are going to bring in, I hope they make him throw some passes in the cold. Fly him to the North Pole for a work out, whatever it takes. Got news for you, if Hamdan can’t play we need to bring in a vet and draft someone. At this point Edwards has no competition for the job, can’t seem to play in the cold, can’t stay healthy, and has very little confidence. Not a good combination for a starting QB in Buffalo.
by Joe P. on Dec 8, 2008 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Play calling did our young vet in.
We do need to bring in a vet for the reasons you mentioned.
On the QB continuum, I’m not sure if Edwards will end up playing more like Kelly Holcomb or Tom Brady, but he needs to be given a chance with a competent coaching staff.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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