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The Trade Value of J.P. Losman

[editor's note, by Brian Galliford] Promoted from the diaries, kaisertown takes an excellent look at where Buffalo Bills QB J.P. Losman could end up should the Bills trade him. Great work, kaisertown - and remember, keep these diaries coming, folks. I love letting y'all do the front page dirty work. End Update

First, let's examine the draft day trades involving established players being moved for draft picks in the 2007 draft:
OAK sent Randy Moss to NE for pick 110 (fourth round)
SEA sent Darrell Jackson to SF for pick 124 (fourth)
DET sent Mike Williams and Josh McCown to OAK for pick 105 (fourth)
KC sent Dante Hall and pick 84 to STL for pick 82 and pick 148 (fifth)

The most intriguing (and relevant) trade was Josh McCown and Mike Williams to Oakland for the sixth pick in the fourth round. To see if the Bills could get similar value we need to compare McCown to Losman.
                     YDS comp% TD/INT QBrating
Losman (07) - 1204 - 63.4 -   4/6  - 76.9
Losman (06) - 3051 - 62.5 - 19/14 - 84.9
Mccown (07) - 1151 - 58.4 - 10/11 - 69.4
Mccown (05) - 1836 - 60.4 -  9/11 - 74.9
 -McCown did not play in 2006-

Mike Williams was certainly not a throw in and the Raiders valued him highly when making the trade, but still this looks very favorable for the Bills. McCown flashed potential in Arizona; however, he was very inconsistent. The Raiders were clearly trading for a stopgap QB considering that McCown didn't take a snap in 06 and their recent selection of JaMarcus Russell. Losman has the potential to be more than just a stopgap if someone believes in the success he had in 2006. This is the biggest positive as I see it, but there are several negatives as well.

My biggest concern is that teams won't see Losman as a big enough upgrade over what they already have or what is available on the free agent market. How much better is Losman than FA quarterbacks like Rex Grossman, Cleo Lemon or Billy Volek? Is there enough of a gap in talent to give up a third round pick? There might be if someone sees Losman as a starter, but if teams are looking to find a quarterback to compete with a rookie or provide insurance for a young starter a FA might make more sense. Wouldn't a team rather have Rex Grossman as their starter the first six games of the season and then have him as the backup than give up a good pick? Another concern of mine is that there are a limited number of teams in the market for a quarterback like Losman.

The QB Market
The Patriots, Bengals, Browns, Steelers, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Broncos, Chargers, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, Packers, Panthers, Saints, Cardinals, Seahawks and Rams (that's 18 teams) all have established starters. Things can change before the draft, but right now none of these teams would consider trading a third round pick for Losman. The Jets have a young QB (Kellen Clemens) and a veteran backup (Chad Pennington) already. The Redskins have a starter in Jason Campbell who shows some promise. Detroit has Jon Kitna and drafted a QB in the second round last year. So add the Jets, Redskins and Lions to the list - that's 21 teams set at quarterback.

The teams still left are: Miami, Baltimore, Tennessee, KC, Oakland, Chicago, Minnesota, Atlanta, Tampa Bay and San Fran.

Tennessee obviously has Vince Young so they would be looking to aquire a backup/insurance. I think Minnesota wants Tarvaris Jackson to be the starter so they are in the same boat. Oakland might be looking for a stopgap for Russell and Tampa Bay has a good but aging starter (Jeff Garcia) and might be looking to groom a replacement, but I can't see any of these teams trading a valuable pick for Losman when the available FA quarterbacks could fill the same role. That leaves six potential teams to trade with. I will go over them one at a time.

Miami - In the division, so a trade would be tough. Has a young QB in John Beck, but with new management it is tough to say what the Dolphins will be looking for at QB.
Kansas City - Has a young QB in Brodie Croyle that they claim is the future, but he could use some competition and the Chiefs could use a backup plan in case he fails.
Baltimore - New coaching staff could go in a number of different directions. McNair seems done. Boller is under contract for one more season and Troy Smith has some pedigree and showed some promise at the end of the season.
Chicago - Still has Brian Griese and Kyle Orton under contract, but are desperate for a QB. Rumors are they will make a run at McNabb; maybe Losman makes sense as a backup plan.
Atlanta - All of the quarterbacks on their roster are bad. They need to upgrade big time by bringing in a rookie and probably a vet to compete.
San Francisco - An interesting situation with a potential number one overall bust and an old, useless Trent Dilfer. San Fran could go a number of directions.

I simply can't see the Bills trading within the division. I think KC will give Croyle a year as the starter to prove himself. I suspect Baltimore, Atlanta and Chicago will all draft high-profile rookie quarterbacks. This doesn't leave many options for Losman. Atlanta makes sense as I could see Losman getting a number of starts while they groom a rookie. San Fran is a sleeper option for me as well, but I just don't see any team willing to give the Bills a third round pick especially considering the teams that may have trade interest all have high picks. A fourth round pick seems more likely, but isn't a sure thing either. Personally, I would be happy trading Losman for a top 10 pick in the fourth round similar to the McCown trade.

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I got ripped
For thinking Losman will go higher than you say.  I still think so though.  He is young, and does have talent.  I still believe someone will think they can change him, and for that, they'll offer something worthwhile.

I will eat my words if I'm wrong.

by krytime on Feb 1, 2008 3:22 PM EST   0 recs

I kind of agree
You shouldn't have to eat your words even if you end up being wrong.  I think Losman has talent and that he would be worth a 3rd round (even a high 3rd) to a team in the right situation.  I just think that this year there isn't a team in that situation.

by kaisertown on Feb 1, 2008 3:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

gotta say
5th round at best. cant really see why anybody would trade a higher pick for jp considering they can groom a qb that is 4 years younger. the trade value for backup qbs just isnt very strong.

by jmorris0823 on Feb 1, 2008 3:33 PM EST   0 recs

Yeah
despite all that writing I guess I wasn't very clear that I think Losman could probably only bring in a fifth rounder.  Which is why I said I would be really happy if the Bills can get a fourth for him.

by kaisertown on Feb 1, 2008 3:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

no
you were clear, i wasnt disagreeing with you. we have had this discussion numerous times here, and it always just ends up with a "wait-and-see" conclusion. some people feel he has greater trade value than others. time will tell, i just don't see why anybody would trade a pick above 5 for him.

by jmorris0823 on Feb 1, 2008 4:34 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I must admit
after seeing what the Jets gave up for Thomas Jones, I didn't think there was a chance in hell the Bills would get more than a 3rd rounder for Willis, and somehow Marv spun him into 2 3rds and a 7th. I guess the moral of the story is, like the N.Y. lottery "Hey you never know." I don't see the Bills getting much more than a 4th, unless they spin him into a multi-player/pick deal. Sorry J-MO but we'll have to "wait-and-see"
Who would have thought I'd miss Pete Metzelaars?

by sireric on Feb 1, 2008 6:52 PM EST   0 recs

yeah
But Willis is a ton younger than TJones and a lot of people still felt like he could be an elite back with a better team. Baltimore never really worries about attitude issues, so they were more than happy to give up the picks for a potential difference maker. He had a solid year, but disappeared for numerous games and fumbled quite a bit. Just happy he is gone.

by jmorris0823 on Feb 2, 2008 10:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Atlanta
Don't forget, folks, that the man who drafted Losman (Mike Mularkey) now has a prominent role in Atlanta. While that connection certainly doesn't mean that a trade is imminent, it's a connection that's difficult to ignore...
Create a free account to join in the discussion, Bills fans!

by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2008 9:55 AM EST   0 recs

full disclosure
Mularkey was also the douche who benched JP for Kelly Holcomb two games into a season. Still, Atlanta is as good an option as any, most likely for a 5th though.

by jmorris0823 on Feb 2, 2008 10:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Atlanta
I could see us trading up in the 2nd round with Atlanta in exchange for Losman.  Considering that we gave up a 3rd rounder to Detroit to move up a few spots last year, I think this would be fair value for the Bills and a smart move for Atlanta as well.  Mayne such a trade would net us Fred Davis should he slip a little in the draft.
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Feb 4, 2008 1:38 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

maybe keeping Losman is a good idea
It seems that since there will be limited suitors for Losman's services, why don't the Bills just keep him as a back-up?  He knows the system and coaches way of thinking. He has played against the division many times and has the experience.
Other than requesting a trade, he has been a class player in the organization on and off the field.  
Just because he has requested a trade doesn't mean the Bills have to honor that.  Make him ride the bench as the back-up another year and let him fly at the end of his contract.  He may actually be more valuable to the Bills in this way. Just getting a late round pick doesn't insure the Bills will actually get anything for him.  

by JTM1023 on Feb 2, 2008 11:40 AM EST   0 recs

Tampa Bay
I think that they could possibly be in the mix for JP for a couple of reasons.  One, as you pointed out, they have an aging starter in Garcia who missed some games this year.  Two, Gruden loves to acquire QB's and change between them.  Three, Gruden has been trying to get Plummer to unretire and JP has the same type of game as Plummer; athletic, strong arm, mobile, erratic, etc.  So, though I have not heard any rumors about Tampa and JP, it seems like it might be a possibility.

by fletcherjd on Feb 3, 2008 2:07 AM EST   0 recs

49ers
Martz has made the statement in the past, that he might have taken J.P. in the draft if the Bills hadn't moved up in front of them. He fits a Martz style offense a lot better than Alex Smith or Shaun Hill. This is where he would fit the best, I'm just not sure they realize it.
Who would have thought I'd miss Pete Metzelaars?

by sireric on Feb 3, 2008 8:47 AM EST   0 recs

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