Defensive tackles in the 2008 draft
[editor's note, by Brian Galliford] Author sireric, in continuing our search for the next star at defensive tackle for the Buffalo Bills, takes a look at the top names available in the draft. With the free agent pool thinning tremendously at the position, get used to these names - one of them could be in a Bills uniform in a couple of months. End Note
Now that arguably the best free agent DT is off the market, the question that is begging to be asked is, "What now?" Where do the Bills turn for the DT that they need? Looking at the list of free agents, it is clear that the best answer is the draft. This may prove more difficult than it seems however; the two best DTs in the draft are most likely going to be gone by the time the Bills pick at #11. Here is a list of arguably the top ten DTs in the draft.
1- Sedrick Ellis, USC - at 6-1 and just over 300 pounds Ellis is quickly becoming the top DT. Teams running a 4-3 defense are falling in love with this guy.
2- Glenn Dorsey, LSU - Once considered the premier defensive player in the draft, Dorsey won't disappoint any team that drafts him.
3- Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina - Has the size (6-4, 308) to be a solid 4-3 DT, he needs to do some wowing at the combine to be worthy of the 11th overall pick.
4- Pat Sims, Auburn - Sims is very similar to Balmer, in both size and the need to show something in order to move up draft boards.
5- Trevor Laws, Notre Dame - Trevor Laws is flying up draft boards, so this is my sleeper pick. Dick Jauron will love this guy, he has a great work ethic and is a leader. If the Bills pass on a DT at #11, I wouldn't be shocked to see them trade up in the 2nd and take Laws.
6- Dre Moore, Maryland - Moore is very similar in size to both Balmer and Sims, but he runs a sub 5.0 in the 40, and he is known as a work out warrior which could really boost his draft stock. Look for him to move up as well.
7- Marcus Harrison, Arkansas - Harrison is another guy over 300 pounds who can put up a sub 5.0 time in the 40, but he has had some knee injuries that will likely keep him out of the first round.
8- Red Bryant, Texas A&M - I ranked Bryant a little lower than some of you may have thought, he is huge (6-4, 326) but may be better suited as a 3-4 NT. Plus he had knee surgery recently which will hurt him as well.
9- Letroy Guion, Florida State - Guion has the size (6-4, 295) to be a solid DT in the 4-3, and a lot of scouts seem to think pretty highly of him.
10- Ahtyba Rubin, Iowa State - Another guy who is better suited as a NT in a 3-4. Rubin is a large man (6-3, 325) who, like Bryant, will excel at stopping the run.
There may be some guys that you like that didn't make my cut (DeMario Pressley, Frank Okam); I had to be picky and trim the list to ten. This class is pretty deep at the DT position and the Bills should have an easy time finding a capable player; it's just a matter of who fits the best and where can he be had.
So where do the Bills fit with these potential draftees?
Ellis and Dorsey are assuredly off the board before the Bills pick at 11, so barring a trade the Bills can forget about those two. Balmer, Sims and Laws, are all moving up the boards, are candidates to be selected at #11, but unless they continue to impress, they are more than likely not going that high. Moore and Harrison are probably late first early second material, depending on what happens with the Balmer, Sims and Laws trio. Bryant could be a possibility for the Bills in the second, but my guess is that a team running the 3-4 who picks before the Bills in the 2nd (think Fish and Jets) might just gobble him up. Guion and Rubin are 3rd round picks right now, but remember the Bills have two of those.
You will most likely hear a lot about Balmer and Sims as being good fits for the Bills, but if I'm putting my money on anybody right now its Trevor Laws. He's coming off of a great Senior Bowl, and scouts are in love with his work ethic. He is known as the type of guy who will do what is asked of him, and is a team leader. I think Jauron already has him marked as the guy he wants. (Just my suspicion.)
So to review: plan on Balmer, Sims, or more likely Laws. Hope for Ellis or Dorsey, and be willing to settle for Moore, Harrison, Bryant, Guion or Rubin. This is a pretty deep draft class and the Bills should be able to add a DT with solid upside. The problem will be getting the guy they want.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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"Ellis and Dorsey are assuredly off the board before the Bills pick at 11, so barring a trade the Bills can forget about those two. Balmer, Sims and Laws, are all moving up the boards, are candidates to be selected at #11, but unless they continue to impress, they are more than likely not going that high. Moore and Harrison are probably late first early second material"
Is the DT class that good this year that there are potentially 7 who could go in the first, early second round? If so, let's hit that WLB need with 11 and then nab Laws (who you seem to be high on) in the second.
Yes you did read it correctly
7 could go in the first but that probably will not happen, somebody will slip. What I was saying is that 7 have the potential to do it, maybe even more, I saw a mock yesterday that had Guion going in the first.
Senior Bowl weigh ins
DeMario Pressley - 6'4' - 295
Trevor Laws - 6'1' - 302
Kentwan Balmer - 6'5' - 282
Dre Moore - 6'4' - 306
Andre Fluellen - 6'2' - 279
Red Bryant - 6'5' - 329
Just thought I would throw out some heights and weights. Balmer was one of the biggest weigh in disappointments of the week. He claimed that he played at about 290 - 295 during the season and lost some weight near the end of the year when he was fighting a virus. It will be interesting to see if he has bulked up since the senior bowl, and if he has, if he can maintain the explosion that really impressed scouts during the season.
Some other thoughts:
This is a really solid list.
I really like Dre Moore. I may be biased because he saw him play the best game of his career this year when they completely shut down the West Virginia run game. Moore would just bull rush right through a lineone on one play and then quick split the gap on the next. He was an unstoppable force and is my third favorite DT prospect.
Rubin and Bryant are going to have to prove to me that they have the quickness to survive in the cover 2. Size is great, but quickness is necessary.
My top 10 DT list would look like:
- Ellis - I think he is the best prospect in the entire draft.
- Dorsey - would be 1b behind Ellis if I didn't have questions about his ability to play 16 games every season.
- Moore - Love him
- Pat Sims - He has the quickness we need and the size we could really use.
- Kentwan Balmer - An impressive combine (especially the weigh in) would bump him up a spot or two
- Trevor Laws - totally agree with you Eric.
- Letroy Guion - flying up draft boards. Scouts like his performance on film and are anticipating a strong combine.
- DeMario Pressley - Is a lot like McCargo actually, just not as good.
- Marcus Harrison - will have to prove to me he is quick enough for a cover 2
- Red Bryant - what if he does show good quickness at the combine? He could be a force if he is quick off the snap.
You added more, so I will too
I would say Moore and Harrison are late first to late second round prospects. Guion is probably a mid second to mid third round guy right now.
And one more thing
3-4 NT
Nice work
by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions
DT's
Anybody know how many DT's usually go in the first 2 rounds? It never really seems like that many and with only 2 guaranteed first rounders, I'm not sure reaching for one of the other guys in the first 2 rounds is wise.
I'd be fine taking Harrison, Bryant or Rubin in the 3rd/4th round.
What I based it on
Re:
- Okoye LOUISVILLE
- Carriker (hybrid) dt/de NEBRASKA
- Harrel TENNESSEE
- Alan Branch MICHIGAN
- Claude "turk" McBride DT/DE TENNESSEE
- Jay Alford DT PENN ST.
- Demarcus "tank" Tyler DT, NC STATE
- Brandon Mebane DT CALIFORNIA
- Ray McDonald, DE/DT FLORIDA
- Quin Pitock, DT OHIO ST.
I see Dorsey/Ellis/Balmer as all 1st round picks. Sims and Laws are guys that are late 1st or 2nd round picks. After that Harrison and Guion are 2nd for sure maybe 3rd round picks.
There is no way I see 7 with 1st round value. After the combine shakes out I think you will see 4 with 1st round value.
To be clear
One other point; I know the question was asked and you were answering it but, who cares how many went last year? What impact does that have on how many go this year?
it doesn't
I didn't mean
Not at all
by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Your mock?
Here ya go
2.Stl: Sedrick Ellis DT USC
- Atl: Glen Dorsey DT LSU
- OAK: Darren Mcfadden RB ARK.
6.NYJ: Vernon Gholston DE Osu
- NE: Mike Jenkins CB USF
- Balt: Matt Ryan QB BC
- Cin: Keith Rivers OLB USC
- NO: Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
- BUFF: Derrick Harvey DE FLA.
- Den: Kentwan Balmer DT UNC
- CAR: Kenny Phillips S MIA.
- Chi: Ryan Clady OT Boise St.
- Det: Aqib Talib CB KU
- Ariz:Rashard Mendenhall
- Min: Calais Campbell
- Hou: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie CB Tenn. St
20.TB: Brian Brohm QB Lousvlle
- Wash:Malcolm Kelly WR Okla.
- Dal.: Felix Jones RB Ark.
- Pitt: Jeff Otah T Pitt.
- Tenn: Limas Sweed WR Tex.
- Sea: Jonathon Stewart RB Ore.
- Jax: Phillip Merling DE Clemson
- SD: Pat Sims DT Aub.
- Dall: Reggie Smith DB Okla.
- SF: Early Doucett WR LSU
- GB: Fred Davis TE USC
- NE: Cheaters never prosper
There is mine last updated about a week ago.
by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not Bad
So true....
by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
What the Bills should do...
Why don't we package our 11th pick and Losman and trade them for Baltimore's 8th pick and a possible swap of 2nds and maybe a 5th rounder, hop up and nab Rivers there, and then aim for Laws in the early second?
The only other trade candidate would be the Raider's, as McFadden I think will drop to the mid round as all the other teams ahead of us have other bigger holes to fill. And the only way I would make a trade into the top 4 is to get one of three guys: Chris Long, Dorsey or Ellis, I would actually be just fine with the Bills for doing that as long as they don't have to give up to many picks to get there. Then we can use Losman in the second, or late 1st round along with our second rounder and others to grab one of the 2nd tier LBs.
Not a terrible idea
I'm not fully sold
by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
really?
Another example
After the top 10 or 15 prospects everything gets jumbled. Every team looks at prospects in a different way. I guy could be the 3rd best player at his position on one board and the 9 best on a different teams board. Teams run different schemes, have different needs and value different strengths more than others.
3rd Rnd specific
Lets forgo any thought of landing either Ellis or Dorsey. Bahmer and De Merling have moved up the draft since the Super Bowl but only due to demand from teams after ssseing Giants win super bowl. I still conseider them to be late BPA's Demario Presley and Frank Okam have been listed as late 1st rounders, unless the Bills drop down to pick one of them, this is unforseeable. Pat Sims and Trevor Laws are good second round picks. But the Drop of from them to the likes of Dre moore and Letroy Guion are minimal at best. im sure we can land either of these guys in the 3rd round.
so heres my wish list:
- Rivers LB Gouslston would be a great OLB but unless bills move up with Balt. he will be gone. Forget D.Harvey, only 18 college games ia big-risk
- Earl Bennett WR vanderbilt. Led the SEC w/93 rec.
3b Dre Moore DT Maryland Combine work out warrior.
4. Shultz? WV FB Is that name right???
5a. Ainge Tn. he will still be here!
5b.-6, 7a7b who left @ TE, DE, LB ?????
so, DT is still there for us in the 3rd rnd. my full mock draft here soon.
by sabreonekenobi on Feb 22, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions
You're right
Owen Schmitt is the WVU FB.

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