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Defensive tackles in the 2008 draft

[editor's note, by Brian Galliford] Author sireric, in continuing our search for the next star at defensive tackle for the Buffalo Bills, takes a look at the top names available in the draft. With the free agent pool thinning tremendously at the position, get used to these names - one of them could be in a Bills uniform in a couple of months. End Note

Now that arguably the best free agent DT is off the market, the question that is begging to be asked is, "What now?" Where do the Bills turn for the DT that they need? Looking at the list of free agents, it is clear that the best answer is the draft. This may prove more difficult than it seems however; the two best DTs in the draft are most likely going to be gone by the time the Bills pick at #11. Here is a list of arguably the top ten DTs in the draft.

1- Sedrick Ellis, USC - at 6-1 and just over 300 pounds Ellis is quickly becoming the top DT. Teams running a 4-3 defense are falling in love with this guy.

2- Glenn Dorsey, LSU - Once considered the premier defensive player in the draft, Dorsey won't disappoint any team that drafts him.

3- Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina - Has the size (6-4, 308) to be a solid 4-3 DT, he needs to do some wowing at the combine to be worthy of the 11th overall pick.

4- Pat Sims, Auburn - Sims is very similar to Balmer, in both size and the need to show something in order to move up draft boards.

5- Trevor Laws, Notre Dame - Trevor Laws is flying up draft boards, so this is my sleeper pick. Dick Jauron will love this guy, he has a great work ethic and is a leader. If the Bills pass on a DT at #11, I wouldn't be shocked to see them trade up in the 2nd and take Laws.

6- Dre Moore, Maryland - Moore is very similar in size to both Balmer and Sims, but he runs a sub 5.0 in the 40, and he is known as a work out warrior which could really boost his draft stock. Look for him to move up as well.

7- Marcus Harrison, Arkansas - Harrison is another guy over 300 pounds who can put up a sub 5.0 time in the 40, but he has had some knee injuries that will likely keep him out of the first round.

8- Red Bryant, Texas A&M - I ranked Bryant a little lower than some of you may have thought, he is huge (6-4, 326) but may be better suited as a 3-4 NT. Plus he had knee surgery recently which will hurt him as well.

9- Letroy Guion, Florida State - Guion has the size (6-4, 295) to be a solid DT in the 4-3, and a lot of scouts seem to think pretty highly of him.

10- Ahtyba Rubin, Iowa State - Another guy who is better suited as a NT in a 3-4. Rubin is a large man (6-3, 325) who, like Bryant, will excel at stopping the run.

There may be some guys that you like that didn't make my cut (DeMario Pressley, Frank Okam); I had to be picky and trim the list to ten. This class is pretty deep at the DT position and the Bills should have an easy time finding a capable player; it's just a matter of who fits the best and where can he be had.

So where do the Bills fit with these potential draftees?

Ellis and Dorsey are assuredly off the board before the Bills pick at 11, so barring a trade the Bills can forget about those two. Balmer, Sims and Laws, are all moving up the boards, are candidates to be selected at #11, but unless they continue to impress, they are more than likely not going that high. Moore and Harrison are probably late first early second material, depending on what happens with the Balmer, Sims and Laws trio. Bryant could be a possibility for the Bills in the second, but my guess is that a team running the 3-4 who picks before the Bills in the 2nd (think Fish and Jets) might just gobble him up. Guion and Rubin are 3rd round picks right now, but remember the Bills have two of those.

You will most likely hear a lot about Balmer and Sims as being good fits for the Bills, but if I'm putting my money on anybody right now its Trevor Laws. He's coming off of a great Senior Bowl, and scouts are in love with his work ethic. He is known as the type of guy who will do what is asked of him, and is a team leader. I think Jauron already has him marked as the guy he wants. (Just my suspicion.)

So to review: plan on Balmer, Sims, or more likely Laws. Hope for Ellis or Dorsey, and be willing to settle for Moore, Harrison, Bryant, Guion or Rubin. This is a pretty deep draft class and the Bills should be able to add a DT with solid upside. The problem will be getting the guy they want.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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am I reading what you're trying to say correctly sireric?

"Ellis and Dorsey are assuredly off the board before the Bills pick at 11, so barring a trade the Bills can forget about those two. Balmer, Sims and Laws, are all moving up the boards, are candidates to be selected at #11, but unless they continue to impress, they are more than likely not going that high. Moore and Harrison are probably late first early second material"

Is the DT class that good this year that there are potentially 7 who could go in the first, early second round? If so, let's hit that WLB need with 11 and then nab Laws (who you seem to be high on) in the second.

CB, DLine in FA WR, WLB in Draft

by poz on Feb 22, 2008 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Yes you did read it correctly
There really isn't all that many guys on this board who are moving down. Almost every DT is improving his draft stock. Balmer, Moore, Sims, and Laws, are all guys who could move into the top 25. I don't know that they all will, but each one has the potential to do it.

7 could go in the first but that probably will not happen, somebody will slip. What I was saying is that 7 have the potential to do it, maybe even more, I saw a mock yesterday that had Guion going in the first.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Senior Bowl weigh ins
Sedrick Ellis - 6'1' - 307
DeMario Pressley - 6'4' - 295
Trevor Laws - 6'1' - 302
Kentwan Balmer - 6'5' - 282
Dre Moore - 6'4' - 306
Andre Fluellen - 6'2' - 279
Red Bryant - 6'5' - 329

Just thought I would throw out some heights and weights.  Balmer was one of the biggest weigh in disappointments of the week.  He claimed that he played at about 290 - 295 during the season and lost some weight near the end of the year when he was fighting a virus.  It will be interesting to see if he has bulked up since the senior bowl, and if he has, if he can maintain the explosion that really impressed scouts during the season.

Some other thoughts:

This is a really solid list.

I really like Dre Moore.  I may be biased because he saw him play the best game of his career this year when they completely shut down the West Virginia run game.  Moore would just bull rush right through a lineone on one play and then quick split the gap on the next.  He was an unstoppable force and is my third favorite DT prospect.

Rubin and Bryant are going to have to prove to me that they have the quickness to survive in the cover 2.  Size is great, but quickness is necessary.

My top 10 DT list would look like:

  1. Ellis - I think he is the best prospect in the entire draft.
  2. Dorsey - would be 1b behind Ellis if I didn't have questions about his ability to play 16 games every season.
  3. Moore - Love him
  4. Pat Sims - He has the quickness we need and the size we could really use.
  5. Kentwan Balmer - An impressive combine (especially the weigh in) would bump him up a spot or two
  6. Trevor Laws - totally agree with you Eric.
  7. Letroy Guion - flying up draft boards.  Scouts like his performance on film and are anticipating a strong combine.
  8. DeMario Pressley - Is a lot like McCargo actually, just not as good.
  9. Marcus Harrison - will have to prove to me he is quick enough for a cover 2
  10. Red Bryant - what if he does show good quickness at the combine?  He could be a force if he is quick off the snap.

by kaisertown on Feb 22, 2008 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

You added more, so I will too
I now think you are crazy about Laws.  I am almost certain he will be available to us in the second round.  He has very good technique for a rookie, but he is more of a motor guy than a measurables type player.  If we pick him at 11, I will cry.  He lacks the upside of a top 20 prospect.  Laws has the ceiling of a good starter, nothing more.  We need a draft a potential superstar with the 11th pick.

I would say Moore and Harrison are late first to late second round prospects.  Guion is probably a mid second to mid third round guy right now.

by kaisertown on Feb 22, 2008 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

And one more thing
It's not like I hate huge defensive tackles.  You have to realize that a guy like Red Bryant can be an every down player for a team that runs a 3-4.  Since its unlikely Bryant can get any pressure on a quarterback at the NFL level, he becomes a role player for a team that plays the cover 2.  I would love to have him, but he has twice as much value to some other teams.  I wouldn't even look at a player who can't play every down for your team until the third round.

by kaisertown on Feb 22, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

3-4 NT
Bryant, Rubin, and Frank Okam of Texas, are all best fits as a 3-4 NT and are probably not a solid fit for the Bills. It is worth noting their presence however because a team in need of defensive line help who run a 3-4 and pick before the Bills (again think Fish and Jets) will look at them.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice work
sireric, I'm with you....Trevor Laws. I love this kid watching the Senior Bowl this kid spent as much time in the opposing backfield as a RB. Had Ellis not came out like Superman, then Laws would have gotten more attention. I would love the Bills to try and get this kid in the second and maybe even trade back into the first to get him. Bryant is one I am keeping an eye on, he too had a great week at the Senior Bowl and actually in t looked really quick for a piggie, he would be a great fit for a 3-4 but if he has that penetration he could be a solid DT for us as well. We'll know more this week after the Combine.
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

DT's
Are all those guys really projected to go THAT HIGH?  I have seen nothing to indicate that guys like Laws, Moore and Harrison could sneak into the 1st. In fact, most have them as 3rd round options.  

Anybody know how many DT's usually go in the first 2 rounds?  It never really seems like that many and with only 2 guaranteed first rounders, I'm not sure reaching for one of the other guys in the first 2 rounds is wise.

I'd be fine taking Harrison, Bryant or Rubin in the 3rd/4th round.

~K

by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2008 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

What I based it on
I went off of Walter football draft prospect ratings, two mock drafts that I saw, along with  Mike Mayock's draft rankings, to formulate a list. I sort of combined what everybody was thinking. for instance Mayock and one of the Mocks had Guion ranked very high, Draft Tek has him as a 6th rounder. So I guess it all depends on where you look.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Re:
Last year
  1. Okoye LOUISVILLE
  2. Carriker (hybrid) dt/de NEBRASKA
  3. Harrel TENNESSEE
2nd Round
  1. Alan Branch MICHIGAN
  2. Claude "turk" McBride DT/DE TENNESSEE
3rd Round
  1. Jay Alford DT PENN ST.
  2. Demarcus "tank" Tyler DT, NC STATE
  3. Brandon Mebane DT CALIFORNIA
  4. Ray McDonald, DE/DT FLORIDA
  5. Quin Pitock, DT OHIO ST.
So only 5 DT's in first two rounds.  No way I see more than 4 go this year in round 1.  

I see Dorsey/Ellis/Balmer as all 1st round picks. Sims and Laws are guys that are late 1st or 2nd round picks.  After that Harrison and Guion are 2nd for sure maybe 3rd round picks.  

There is no way I see 7 with 1st round value.  After the combine shakes out I think you will see 4 with 1st round value.  

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 22, 2008 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

To be clear
I wasn't saying that 7 will go in the first, what I said was that 7 have the POTENTIAL to go in the first. It's still pretty early and after the combine and the individual workouts, guys have a chance to move up. I could name 50 guys from all positions who all have the potential to go in the first round, but that obviously, can't happen. At this early stage it's about getting to know the names, and where they could go.

One other point; I know the question was asked and you were answering it but, who cares how many went last year? What impact does that have on how many go this year?

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

it doesn't
It has no impact on this year.  But I will say that DT's is obviously one of those positions that is hard to find.  I mean look at Justin Harrell last year who did nothing for the packers.  Its a position that everyone wants.  And to say there are 50 guys from all positions that could in the 1st is absurd.  Their careers are over.  Yes players can move up and down at the combine but that is because either he outshines his on-field performances by exceeding expecations with a fast 40 or impressive bench, OR they find out about character flaws.  There boards are pretty well generalized.  Now it is just a matter of finding out WHO they really like.
MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 22, 2008 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

I didn't mean
50 guys as in, 50-QBs, 50-WR. I meant 50 total, as 3-QBs, 10-WR, 4-LBs, equaling 50. I don't think it's a stretch to say that a guy like Pat Sims could go in the first or second round.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Not at all
Sims could very easily get himself into the first round, he has a ton of potential and definitely has the size. In fact in my mock I have him going to the Chargers in the late first.
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Your mock?
where's it at buddy, lets take a look. Well see if Krytime gives it his seal of approval.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Here ya go
1. Miami: Chris Long DE Va.
2.Stl: Sedrick Ellis DT USC
  1. Atl: Glen Dorsey DT LSU
  2. OAK: Darren Mcfadden RB ARK.
5.KC: Jake Long T MICH.
6.NYJ: Vernon Gholston DE Osu
  1. NE: Mike Jenkins CB USF
  2. Balt: Matt Ryan QB BC
  3. Cin: Keith Rivers OLB USC
  4. NO: Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
  5. BUFF: Derrick Harvey DE FLA.
  6. Den: Kentwan Balmer DT UNC
  7. CAR: Kenny Phillips S MIA.
  8. Chi: Ryan Clady OT Boise St.
  9. Det: Aqib Talib CB KU
  10. Ariz:Rashard Mendenhall
  11. Min: Calais Campbell
  12. Hou: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie CB Tenn. St
19.Phi: Desean Jackson WR Cal.
20.TB: Brian Brohm QB Lousvlle
  1. Wash:Malcolm Kelly WR Okla.
  2. Dal.: Felix Jones RB Ark.
  3. Pitt: Jeff Otah T Pitt.
  4. Tenn: Limas Sweed WR Tex.
  5. Sea: Jonathon Stewart RB Ore.
  6. Jax: Phillip Merling DE Clemson
  7. SD: Pat Sims DT Aub.
  8. Dall: Reggie Smith DB Okla.
  9. SF: Early Doucett WR LSU
  10. GB: Fred Davis TE USC
  11. NE: Cheaters never prosper
32.NYG: Chris Williams OT Vand.

 There is mine last updated about a week ago.

Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Bad
I could nit-pick a few things here and there, but overall that is a solid projection. Of course after this weekend (combine) and next week (Free agency starts) you can tear that up.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So true....
Thats why I haven't even really been messing with it lately. The combine really mixes stuff up and then FA I think I'm going to hold out on updating it again until a week or so into FA, unless somebody in there really bombs at the combine.
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

What the Bills should do...
I love Keith Rivers and the Ellis/Dorsey combo, but here is the thing, we know those two guys are gone in the top 5, but the only people needing a backer is the Bengals in the top 10.

Why don't we package our 11th pick and Losman and trade them for Baltimore's 8th pick and a possible swap of 2nds and maybe a 5th rounder, hop up and nab Rivers there, and then aim for Laws in the early second?

The only other trade candidate would be the Raider's, as McFadden I think will drop to the mid round as all the other teams ahead of us have other bigger holes to fill. And the only way I would make a trade into the top 4 is to get one of three guys: Chris Long, Dorsey or Ellis, I would actually be just fine with the Bills for doing that as long as they don't have to give up to many picks to get there. Then we can use Losman in the second, or late 1st round along with our second rounder and others to grab one of the 2nd tier LBs.

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Feb 22, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a terrible idea
I agree about McFadden, I've seen some places where Mendenhall has leap-frogged him. Parcells even said, before he took the Miami job, that he didn't like him as much as everyone else.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not fully sold
On McFadden either, however I definitely think it would be very very hard for Al Davis to pass up on someone with the potential and electricity of McFadden. Like I said I have to see what the Combine does and the start of FA then we can really have a better look into the draft.
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Feb 22, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

really?
I would say there are closer to 100 prospects who could end up being potential first rounders.  Because of the positional needs and philosophies of teams, the best 32 (or in this case 31) players don't get drafted in the first.  You only have to be a top 45-50 prospect to warrant consideration during the last 5 or so picks of the first round.  There are tons of guys who, with a stellar combine or interview, could move into the top 50 prospects.  Matt Jones was probably a 4th round guy heading into the combine a couple of years ago and he went like 20th overall.  Granted it was a terrible pick, but that is where he went.

by kaisertown on Feb 22, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Another example
John McCargo wasn't considered a top 50 prospect by a lot of people when the Bills traded up and took him in the first.

After the top 10 or 15 prospects everything gets jumbled.  Every team looks at prospects in a different way.  I guy could be the 3rd best player at his position on one board and the 9 best on a different teams board.  Teams run different schemes, have different needs and value different strengths more than others.

by kaisertown on Feb 22, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

3rd Rnd specific
ok,
  Lets forgo any thought of landing either Ellis or Dorsey. Bahmer and De Merling  have moved up the draft since the Super Bowl but only due to demand  from teams after ssseing Giants win super bowl. I still conseider them to be late BPA's Demario Presley and Frank Okam have been listed as late 1st rounders, unless the Bills drop down to pick one of them, this is unforseeable. Pat Sims and Trevor Laws are good second round picks. But the Drop of from them to the likes of Dre moore and Letroy Guion are minimal at best. im sure we can land either of these guys in the 3rd round.
so heres my wish list:
  1. Rivers LB Gouslston would be a great OLB but unless bills move up with Balt. he will be gone. Forget D.Harvey, only 18 college games ia big-risk
  2. Earl Bennett WR vanderbilt. Led the SEC w/93 rec.  
3a. Justice center Wake Forest. Best Center
3b Dre Moore DT Maryland Combine work out warrior.  
4. Shultz? WV FB Is that name right???
5a. Ainge Tn. he will still be here!
5b.-6, 7a7b who left @ TE, DE, LB ?????
so, DT is still there for us in the 3rd rnd. my full mock draft here soon.
jimmy

by sabreonekenobi on Feb 22, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

You're right
The Bills will be able to grab a decent DT in the 3rd, but I would rather take a better one early, then wait and take an o.k. one later.

Owen Schmitt is the WVU FB.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 22, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait....
with all of that detail...

by krytime on Feb 22, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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