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Report: Jags DT Stroud to Visit Buffalo

Reports are surfacing via FOXSports.com that Jacksonville Jaguars DT Marcus Stroud, who yesterday was given permission to market himself via trade, will visit the Buffalo Bills today (Friday). The report goes on to indicate that the visit could lead to a trade between the two franchises, likely involving one of Buffalo's 2008 draft picks.

Stroud, who was suspended for four games last season after violating the NFL's substance abuse rules and who missed time with hamstring and foot issues, is due salaries of $5 million, $5.5 million, and $6 million over the final three years of his contract. It is possible that any trade involving Stroud, with the Bills or another franchise, would be done with the caveat that the tackle's current deal be restructured.

The Bills are looking for help on their interior defensive line, as the team finished as the next-to-last ranked defensive team last year. The team had been rumored to be interested in DT Shaun Rogers of the Lions, who is also available via trade and whom Dick Jauron coached to two Pro Bowls while in Detroit. Stroud, a former All-Pro himself, is still considered one of the elite tackles in the game. His presence would go a long way toward shoring up some of Buffalo's run game woes.

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This is the type of monster tackle this team needs. I'm feeling much better now.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 29, 2008 10:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stroud
The Bills need get the trade hammered out and his contract restructured before he leaves town.

by Scotty P on Feb 29, 2008 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A bit more
via PFT:
Last year, a Drew Rosenhaus client who was unhappy with his situation was traded out of Buffalo. This year, a Rosenhaus client who is unhappy with his situation could be traded to Buffalo.

Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com reports that Jags defensive tackle Marcus Stroud will visit the Bills.

Marvez reports that the Falcons also have expressed interest in Stroud. Atlanta coach Mike Smith was the Jags' defensive coordinator before getting his new job.

The concern with Stroud is a foot/ankle problem that bothered him in 2007, and a four-game suspension for violation of the steroids policy, which he served last year.

Gotta admit, I'm pretty excited about this news. Stroud is going to be 30 at the start of the 2008 season, but the effect that he could have playing next to our protege, McCargo, could be worth bringing in a "veteran". Stay tuned...

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 29, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

GET THIS DONE
Stroud would be a great addition.

3rd rounder for Stroud?  With the ankle/foot and substance abuse, I'm not sure anything more than that would make sense for any team.

I would love a trade like this...

~K

by Kurupt on Feb 29, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

GET THIS DONE
Ankle/foot and substance abuse, plus he'll be 30 soon. If the Jets gave the Panthers a 3rd and 5th for Jenkins, I can't see much more than a 3rd for Stroud, and I might jump for joy so high I'll hit my head on the ceiling.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 29, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is true
I can't see it as more than a 3rd.  Would be an excellent deal if it's for that or less....

In this situation, the red flags may be of some help to us. If that makes any sense....

~K

by Kurupt on Feb 29, 2008 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stroud to Buffalo
   I think it's a great idea to bring in Marcus Stoud.  he has been great for the Jags D-line.  But to avoid another situation similar to that of Hargrove, I think a clause should be written into his contract.  If he violate another substance abuse policy some of the money in his contract goes away!  

  However I do think it would do a lot for our run-D.

Being a Bills fan in MA, My new favorite saying is "18-1"!!!

by grego32 on Feb 29, 2008 10:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also....
How often do players make a visit to a team, but then not get traded there? There must be a healthy dose of mutual interest for that to happen...

This seems like an even more encouraging sign.

~K

by Kurupt on Feb 29, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
Was that a rumor though?
~K

by Kurupt on Feb 29, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stroud
Honestly, Marcus Stroud interests me more than any of the other tackles we've discussed this offseason.  He's exactly what the Bills need for their defensive line.  Since 2006, Jauron and the front office have tip-toed around the clamor of many fans and media calling for a true run-stuffing defensive tackle and hid behind vague statements about the "types" of players that fit into Jauron's defense.  Meanwhile, all of us amateur analysts out there saw our run defense getting shredded each week and waited for a solution.  If Buffalo pulls this off, it would go along ways towards Jauron and the Bills turning a corner in their perpetual 7-9 flatline.  I was cautiously optimistic that an attempt would be made to upgrade the defensive tackle situation when Jauron was quoted as saying that they need some help there regarding run defense.  Either Jauron was covering for the front office in previous years when they were unable to land a run stuffer or Jauron is now willing to make an adjustment to his defense after it has failed for two seasons.  Either scenario is much more encouraging than the rhetoric from OBD we have heard the past two offseasons..
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Feb 29, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stroud is a run stuffer, but
While it is true that Stroud is a run stuffing DT, he does it the cover 2 way.  This move wouldn't lead to any kind of shift in defensive philosophy.  Stroud only weighs 306 pounds (less than both Williams and McCargo) and stops the run by beating the guard and center.  He isn't some fat guy who just holds his spot on the line and makes the play run around him.  Stroud had 3 sacks last year in just 9 games.

The fact that Stroud fits the cover 2 is the reason I am so excited about the possibility of acquiring him.  The cover 2 isn't rhetoric, it is a commonly used defensive philosophy that has been effective against the run despite using smaller linemen.  The Bills need better players, not bigger players and Stroud would be a perfect addition.

by kaisertown on Feb 29, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

McCargo
Stroud is 30 so he'll be on the decline but will still provide us with at least 3 years of being a top 5, top 10 tackle. The real reward will land in his second, third year with us when he's helped morph McCargo into a 25, 26 year old BEAST! Let's do this. Our interior line would become devastating.
CB, DLine in FA WR, WLB in Draft

by poz on Feb 29, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Compare to Jenkins
Kris Jenkins was traded for a 3rd and 5th, and he's younger than Stroud, without the recent injury concerns.

I wonder if they'd take a 4th and conditional 2009 pick? For someone who's only played 20 games in the last two years, it would be safer...

by Krenn on Feb 29, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was even thinking
a 5th this year and a conditional pick next year.

The Jets sent Vilma to the Saint for no compensation this year and a conditional in '09.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 29, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When he's traded
I guarantee it's no less than a 3rd and 5th.  Don't get your hopes up on rooking Jacksonville.
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Feb 29, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rumor
has it that Wilford is in Buffalo today. I am trying to scour for some proof.  

Post anything if you see it...

~K

by Kurupt on Feb 29, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

stroud
Unfortunately, the Bills may have to give up more than they want to, in order to acquire his services.  It is just the nature of the market right now.  If Corey Williams goes for a 2nd, and Jenkins goes for a 3rd and 5th, while those guys are both younger than Stroud, DT is a position which has shown to have guys play until they are 35 and effectively (Pat Williams, Bryant Young, Ted Washington)

I think they would have to give up a 4th and 7th or something like that.  Or one of the 3rds straight up.  Not to mention he will want a new contract

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 29, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wilford/Stroud
I wonder if bringing in one would help bring in the other. At least they'd both know someone on the team from the get go. I'm starting to think we're going to have good news by the end of the day. I think a 4th and a conditional '09 sounds about right for Stroud. Let's not forget here gentleman of Rogers, Williams, and Jenkins, Stroud has been in the elite core of DTs more consistently than Jenkins and Rogers and has more talent than Williams. Plus he is  enormous! What is he 6'6 325? Definitely worth it.Age 30 is not that old
CB, DLine in FA WR, WLB in Draft

by poz on Feb 29, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stroud
First let me say that the 30 not being too old comment makes me feel good, thank you.

second you are right about the length of time that Stroud has been elite, he's a solid player.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Feb 29, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed....
For some reason DT's seem to last well into their 30's, which baffles my mind considering they are so big...

Stroud, when healthy, is probably the best of the group.  I fear the Jags may be able to get more for him than what the Panthers got for Jenkins, due to his productivity.  However, I really hope the foot issues and substance abuse plays in our favor...

~K

by Kurupt on Feb 29, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

love it
According to Scouts Inc. they rate him an 80 overall.

 Stroud is a seven-year veteran out of Georgia that was drafted by the Jaguars in the first round of the 2001 draft. He has been extremely durable until last season when he missed five games with an ankle injury. He is a massive defensive lineman that has unusual quickness and agility for such a big guy. He can be disruptive with his quickness from the inside, penetrating gaps and wreaking havoc in the backfield. He has the size and strength to play two gap defense, keeping blockers off his playmaking linebackers. He shows good lateral range and works hard to make plays all over the field. He has good hand use and can defeat and shed blockers in time to make the play when they run right at him. He has a good feel for blocking schemes and rarely gets surprised by a block coming from the side. Due to his size he struggles at times keeping his pad level down but still plays with natural leverage. He could be more consistent on the field as he has a tendency to take a play off now and then. While it would be difficult to call him a finesse player he could be a bit more physical at times. He is a Quality player with all star potential but needs to show it more often.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 29, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it ironic...
how Jauron has had massive defensive tackles pretty much everywhere he has been, EXCEPT in Buffalo?

When he was an assistant coach in Green Bay, he had Gilbert Brown.  In Chicago, he had Keith Traylor and Ted Washington.  And in Detroit he had Shaun Rogers and Dan Wilkenson.

In Jauron's first year in Buffalo, they recruited St. Louis DT Ryan Pickett, but he chose to sign with Green Bay instead.  Then the Bills had to settle for Indianapolis DT Larry Triplett.

I think the desire to have size at DT has always existed, but they have just missed out on opportunities.  Will the Bills finally find a solution at DT?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Feb 29, 2008 11:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

am i the only one....
that would rather have Rogers?  Stroud will be 30 when the season starts and Rogers will be 29.  Stroud is coming off a season where he had an ankle/foot injury and a suspension for steriods.  Stroud has not played a full season since 2005, his last year as a pro bowler.  Stroud is also only 306 pounds.  Size isn't everything, but I really beleive they need a guy that is with some beef over the middle.  In addition, Rogers is coming off a season in which he had 7 sacks.  Stroud hasn't had more then 4.5 in the last 5 seasons.  So I see Rogers as a better run stuffer and a better pass rusher. I would be happy with either, but I would prefer Rogers.  

Here are their breakdowns:

Marcus Stroud
Age (at start of season): 30
Height:  6-6
Weight:  306
contract:  4/14/2005: Signed a five-year, $31.5 million contract. The deal included a $6.5 million signing bonus and contains $12.5 million in total guarantees. 2008: $5 million, 2009: $5.5 million, 2010: $6 million, 2011: Free Agent

2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 80 (outstanding player)
Alert: None

Comment: Stroud is a seven-year veteran out of Georgia that was drafted by the Jaguars in the first round of the 2001 draft. He has been extremely durable until last season when he missed five games with an ankle injury. He is a massive defensive lineman that has unusual quickness and agility for such a big guy. He can be disruptive with his quickness from the inside, penetrating gaps and wreaking havoc in the backfield. He has the size and strength to play two gap defense, keeping blockers off his playmaking linebackers. He shows good lateral range and works hard to make plays all over the field. He has good hand use and can defeat and shed blockers in time to make the play when they run right at him. He has a good feel for blocking schemes and rarely gets surprised by a block coming from the side. Due to his size he struggles at times keeping his pad level down but still plays with natural leverage. He could be more consistent on the field as he has a tendency to take a play off now and then. While it would be difficult to call him a finesse player he could be a bit more physical at times. He is a Quality player with all star potential but needs to show it more often.

Shaun Rogers
Age (at start of season): 29
Height:  6-4
Weight:  340
contract:  1/1/2005: Signed a six-year, $43 million contract. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus. 2008: $4.25 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/2), 2009: $5.25 million, 2010: $7 million, 2011: Free Agent

2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 80 (outstanding player)

Comment: Rogers has a rare combination of massive size, power and quickness. He is a monster when healthy and playing at full speed. He beats linemen at the point of attack with great snap anticipation, an awesome first step and heavy power. He can get through a gap or engage and shed. He has great body control and a deceptive ability to locate and close on ball carriers in the backfield or down the line. He can break down and make form tackles in space like few interior linemen. He consistently holds the point of attack against frequent double teams, often splitting the blocks to disrupt action in the backfield. He is an outstanding penetrator when blocked one-on-one. His blend of power and explosive athleticism shows on special teams, where he has blocked nine kicks in five seasons. But Rogers is inconsistent and has some health and conditioning issues. He takes some plays off. His weight has fluctuated and occasionally gotten out of hand. He missed 10 games and finished 2006 on injured reserve.

John I.

by jri111 on Feb 29, 2008 11:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I Completely Agree
While I think that Scouts, Inc. is generally a good resource, I do keep in mind that it is one single evaluation and is not necessarily the be all end all.  In addition, most of them were last updated after the 2006 season and may require some adjustments.

Yes, I prefer Shaun Rogers over Marcus Stroud.  Stroud is not a bad consolation, but I hate settling.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Feb 29, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, me too.....
I would rather have Rogers than Stroud as well, but not by much.  I want a DT that can get to the QB.  Both players fit the scheme and would be elated to get either one, but I like Rogers just a little more than stroud.

by kaisertown on Feb 29, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I personally would probably like Rogers more, that however is only because he may have the most potential to be ridiculous. HOWEVER, Stroud has always been the most consistent of the two and the better player. Stroud is an amazing DT who changes the game every time he plays. Rogers can go from being extremely disruptive to disappearing as we saw last year. Either way, it doesn't really matter in the end. If we get Rogers or Stroud we are getting a heck of a player that instantly makes our defense better. The way I see it Stroud has proven that he will always play as a top 5 DT when he's healthy while Rogers has proven he most of the time plays like a top 10 DT, plays like a scrub sometimes, but when he turns it on plays like the number 1 in the league. Why I like Rogers better is that when he played two years under Jauron was when he was the best in the league. Both would be amazing though
CB, DLine in FA WR, WLB in Draft

by poz on Feb 29, 2008 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

its tough to say
you can prefer to have Rogers.  With his red flags on character and weight, you can't just like him over Stroud because you think his potential is higher, because he is more of a liability than Stroud who has been durable and productive besides last season which I think was an aberration rather than a trend.  Whereas Rogers has a trend of being a malcontent, giving up, playing when he wants to, and showing up to camp at 370.

Stroud is the better fit.  If the Bills wanted Rogers we would be hearing more interest and they would have had him in for a visit first.  

Hopefully Stroud takes a physical, signs a deal, and is locked up for 5 years to anchor that D-line.

Getting a Stroud would make our ability to maneuver in the draft so much better without a dying need for a DT.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 29, 2008 11:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stroud vs. Rogers
I'll admit upfront that my judgement might be clouded due to my admiration for Jacksonville's defense and ill regard for the results of Detroit's Cover 2.  In my head, Stroud's been better at getting to ball carriers throughout his career, while I'd take Rogers if I was looking for someone to get after the QB from the interior (I feel like McCargo is ready to fill this role).  In addition, I'll also take my chances with Stroud's nagging injuries the last two seasons and pseudo-believable steroid issue over Rogers' motivation/weight problems...On two side notes, I believe 306 is a light weight estimation for Stroud, at least to the nake eye and like all other ESPN endorsed services, I have very little respect for Scouts Inc and their rating system.
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Feb 29, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the ankle...
I think the visit is going to involve a FULL physical (duh!).  I see this visit much like I see Vilma's visit to the Lions.  "come in, we'll check out the goods and if we don't have any concerns, THEN we'll talk."  

If they have any conerns about Stroud, look for nothing more to come of this and turn thier attention to Rogers.

I posted this somewhere else, but the Jags have shown interest in Rogers, however they wouldn't be able to trade for him until after the move Stroud (or risk losing a lot of leverage).  Since Rogers is set to get his bonus tonight at midnight, the longer the day moves on without a trade for either the less leverage both the Lions and Jags have (i.e. the better value for teams like the Bills).

John I.

by jri111 on Feb 29, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Price
Just so we can compare and see where we are at with price tag, the Jets are giving Jenkins a five-year, $35 million contract, with $20 million guaranteed.
CB, DLine in FA WR, WLB in Draft

by poz on Feb 29, 2008 11:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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