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Top Five Best Fit Bills Draft Prospects

MSU's Devin Thomas: best-fit WR for the Bills? (AP Photo)

Only one NFL team - the Miami Dolphins (at least for now) - will have their pick of the NFL Draft litter when they're scheduled to make the top pick in a little over a month's time. Picking ten spots later, the Buffalo Bills will not have such luxury - much of what they do on draft day will be directly impacted by what goes on in the top ten picks. Playing off of the ever-popular "What If?" question, however, is a sports fan's favorite pastime; what if the Bills had their pick of the litter?

Last off-season, when this blog was brand new, one of our more popular early features was a Top 5 Best-Fit Prospects for the Bills, in which we discussed NFL Draft prospects not from a mock draft perspective, but from the way each prospect would fit in Buffalo's respective schemes. We'll do that again today for a little more Sunday afternoon Draft discussion. So keep the following in mind when perusing this list: these players are the best fits in Buffalo's offensive and defensive schemes. Draft status, injuries, projected availability on draft day, and all other contingencies are completely out of the window on this one. This is based purely off of what the Bills like to do on both sides of the ball and the talents of the prospects mentioned - and that's it. So here they are, folks - the Top Five 2008 NFL Draft prospects that would fit most snugly in Buffalo:

1 - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
- I'm not exactly going out on a limb here when I say this, but Gholston is the best pure athlete in this year's draft. He plays the defensive end position ferociously, displaying excellent leverage, top-notch speed and quickness and the type of power you wouldn't expect from someone his weight (266 pounds). He's athletic enough to play end in any 4-3 alignment - he'd be especially devastating in a Cover 2 scheme which further emphasized his exemplary pass rushing skills - and he even has the ability to play outside linebacker in a 3-4. You simply don't find players like this very often - and with a little NFL coaching and game experience, he could quickly become one of the top pass rushers in the entire league.

2 - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
- Limas Sweed and Malcolm Kelly are the big names, but Thomas is a better fit in Buffalo for one reason, and one reason alone: what he does after the catch. There's a reason that Thomas is an elite kick returner - he's got outstanding vision, and when coupled with his 4.4-second timed speed and solid frame (6'2", 216 pounds), you begin to see just how difficult he can be to bring down in the open field. Thomas needs some polish, but he has the highest ceiling of any receiver available in this draft, and he could pull double duty as a kick returner in the early portion of his career - whether he's a starting wideout or not. Think Eric Moulds in his early prime - that's what this kid could be. His YAC abilities make him a great fit in a scheme with a QB like Trent Edwards, who prefers check-down throws and needs YAC receivers to make big plays.

3 - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
- Forget about the lingering injury concerns, the height/weight drawbacks, and his seemingly drooping draft stock - Glenn Dorsey is the best defensive tackle prospect in this draft. By a considerable margin. Even though he's just 297 pounds, has average speed and stumpy arm length for the position, Dorsey makes up for his shortcomings with a terrific motor and outstanding technique and leverage. He can play either one-technique or three-technique in a Cover 2 scheme; he's probably not a good fit in the 3-4, however. You don't see a player as dominant as Dorsey was in college very often.

4 - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
- Ellis would be a solid fit in any Cover 2 scheme thanks to his explosiveness off the snap and ability to shed blocks - even the double team. He's had average post-season workouts, but he's a model citizen with a terrific work ethic and plenty of room to grow (football-wise, not physically). There's a reason he's called "Baby Sapp" - Warren Sapp was the poster boy for Cover 2 defensive tackles, and Ellis has that type of ability.

5 - Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia
- No, he's not an elite draft prospect. The chances are slim that he'll be picked within the first three rounds, and he may last well beyond that point. But for a Bills offense that is severely lacking in identity, and is supposedly built on power running, Schmitt's presence would work wonders. Want to make Marshawn Lynch, the face of the franchise, happy? Find a way to get him the draft's best pure run blocker. Schmitt is an old school, blue collar, nasty football player that will earn his paychecks by smacking the hell out of his opponents. He'd be an instant fan favorite in blue-collar Buffalo, and he'd finally give the Bills a smash-mouth mentality coming out of their two-back sets.

Again, folks, not advocating the drafting of any of these players - just looking for some interesting discussion. Feel free to add names, and subtract names, from this list. But most of all, have a very Happy Easter.

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Wow. That's pretty heavy on defense, Brian
I do understand your point that these are your picks as the best fit for what the team needs, not a realistic mock draft.

But no tight end? No o-line guy? No cornerback? Got to be some guys out there that fit what we do after you pick Gholston and before two more d-line guys.

Or is that the point - you think our defense is so porous up front, and so weak in pass rush, that we need more than starters Marcus Stroud, McCargo, Kelsey and Schobel, with Johnson, Williams, Denny and Jefferson rotating in?

If that's it, you get points for consistency (or is that persistentcy?) You've been writing about help for the pass rush for weeks.

by garymallow2004 on Mar 23, 2008 6:17 AM EDT reply actions  

No
Or is that the point - you think our defense is so porous up front, and so weak in pass rush, that we need more than starters Marcus Stroud, McCargo, Kelsey and Schobel, with Johnson, Williams, Denny and Jefferson rotating in?

These players made the list with no input from the Bills' current roster. They're just the five prospects that best fit what Buffalo does, regardless of where the Bills have and don't have depth. Please don't read into this as me saying the Bills still need help defensively - I've been adamant over the past couple of days that they do not. Not early in the draft, at least.

Tight end - there aren't any elite prospects here. Our situation is so in flux at TE that I don't really know what the team wants to accomplish at the position, and there aren't any guys who would just fit perfectly into any scheme - not even Fred Davis.

OL - Jake Long came close to making this list; how could he not? In the end I put Schmitt on over him because Schmitt would bring attitude - something this offense needs badly. You can never go wrong with a franchise OL though.

Corner - nope. I'm not overly enamored with any of the top four guys; if I had to pick a "best fit" corner of that group, it'd be Aqib Talib. He's got the size, tackling skills, playmaking and make-up speed to excel in a zone defense. I just don't think he's good enough to make this top five list.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2008 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good list
I think your right about Jake L. being at 5.

by Joe P. on Mar 23, 2008 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Happy Easter
Have a great Holiday everyone.

by Buffalonian by the Grace of God on Mar 23, 2008 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmmm
Devin Thomas as the best fit at WR?  I have to heartily disagree. I think Kelly and Sweed are much better fits. Both have YAC ability, though it may not be as well regarded as Thomas'.  I just think we need someone who doesn't have such terrible hands. Kelly and Sweed both have excellent hands, while Thomas' are questionable at best.  I just don't like drafting kids with hands that need work because that usually doesn't improve all that much.

I'm not that high on Schmitt unless he's available in the 6th or later. I hate the idea of drafting a FB in the 4th or 5th round, which to me, reduces Schmitt's value/fit to us.

Happy Easter everyone

~K

by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Where on earth
is everyone getting the "Thomas doesn't have good hands" argument? I haven't seen proof of that anywhere. In fact, I've only seen proof of the contrary:

From NFL Draft Countdown:

Has reliable hands and he'll pluck the ball...Great leaping ability and ball skills.

NO mention of his hands under the "Weaknesses" category.

From this year's Sporting News Draft guide:

Hands: Excellent: Consistently adjusts to make great catches on off-target throws. Has the leaping ability to catch high passes in traffic and consistently gets his feet down inbounds on passes along the sideline. Grade: 8.5

Kelly graded out as an 8.5 as well; they're not high on Sweed at all. So again, I ask: where did the opinion that Thomas can't catch come from?

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here
See the 1:28 mark

I have seen him go up and make the tough catches, which is great, but apparently he has consistency issues with easier passes.

According to Mayock he dropped between 15-20 passes last year.  That is OUTRAGEOUS! And I don't disbelieve it.  I don't like that in a WR, nor do I feel that'd be a great fit for us.

~K

by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mayock
And I'd trust his opinion, especially after watching the tapes, over someone from the Sporting News or NFL Draft Countdown anyday...
~K

by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks
Hadn't seen that video. To be honest, I'm more worried about his poor vertical numbers than his hands at this point - our receiver needs to be able to go up and make the catch.

Let me make this clear: I'm not saying Thomas should be considered the top receiver prospect this year, nor am I saying the Bills should take him at #11. I'm saying that because Kelly's refusing to work out, and because Sweed's YAC abilities and toughness are reportedly limited, Thomas is the best long-term wide receiver option for Buffalo. You say bad hands, I say Terrell Owens - playmakers are playmakers. Thomas has the biggest upside, and I'm willing to wait on his hands - which are still getting conflicting reports, mind you - if it means we get a little more explosive offensively.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you did say...
that Malcolm Kelly is more physically gifted than the rest of this year's receivers, and has the most big-play and YAC potential (http://www.buffalorumblings.com/comments/2008/3/6/93620/47218/14#14).

Now you're saying it's Devin Thomas?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 23, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, sir
I am. (I'm allowed to change my mind, right? :) ) Kelly does have YAC potential - in fact, his YAC skills are probably second to those of Thomas as far as "big" receivers go in this draft. Kelly's hands are probably a bit better as well. But Thomas' question marks are much more easily answered than Kelly's at this point, and Thomas has elite ability as well. If Kelly shows up and has a good Pro Day, I'll change my mind again.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas' question marks
How are his question marks more easily answered?

Nobody knows if he is a good route runner or not because he didn't have to show it that much at MSU. As mentioned below, he ran a bunch of bubble screens and fly patters, but can he run the slant, quick out, or deep in?

And can bad hands be corrected? I am of the opinion that it can't. If so, wouldn't the Seahawks WR's or Troy Williamson improved at some point in their careers instead of being a running joke? I don't know if poor hands can improve that much, and I'd really need some evidence to prove it possible. Maybe it's due to Thomas still being rather raw and inexperienced, but maybe he just isn't going to be consistent catching the ball?

~K

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought
I made it clear when I said that I can look past his hands if it means adding some explosiveness to Buffalo's offense. Hands can be improved, you just can't turn T.O. into Tim Brown. Plus, I still maintain that conflicting reports on whether or not he's got good hands doesn't automatically equal bad hands.

I know that Thomas has some work to do on routes, because he's generally regarded as sloppy and inconsistent in that area. That, also, is correctable. Kelly and Sweed have injury and durability issues; I'd rather draft a guy with issues that can be corrected by coaching than issues that repeatedly crop up and must be corrected by a scalpel.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

BINGO
Brian hits the nail on the head!  Correctable versus not correctable.  Things that can be learned versus things that can't be learned.  Skill versus talent.  It's all the same.

Start with the raw talent, coach up the skills, combined with the intangibles and then you have the total, unlimited package in a player.

This valid philosophy is applicable to all positions, including the most important one on the field: quarterback.  Hmmm...

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correctable
Route running is correctable and can be improved with practice and repetition.

However, I don't know if I can agree that hands can be improved. Slightly, yes, but a big improvement, I'm not sure.  I guess it all depends on how bad Thomas' hands truly are.  If he's just inconsistent and loses concentration easily, that may be correctable based on experience, but some guys just have terrible hands (Darrell Jackson, Troy Williamson) and that doesn't seem correctable.

I know you can look past his hands and see the potential explosiveness and I tend to agree. I just don't want to get a guy that can't catch the ball all that well. I will take his explosiveness any day of the week though.

~K

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hands
I'm of the belief that hands can be improved, but only to a certain extent.  Having good hands is a god given talent.

by krytime on Mar 24, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas best fit?
I agree to a point about Devin Thomas's fit with the Bills in terms of his YAC ability, which is what I'm looking for rather than just size from a potential receiver addition.  Howeever, with Thomas's only getting playing time in one season as a collegiate player, isn't it a stretch to think he'll be ready to start in the NFL next season?  If we're talking fits for the Bills, I think the chance to start immediately is critical for any receiver Buffalo adds due to the gaping hole on the curtrent roster.  I think Kelly's  playing exstensively for three seasons at Oklahoma coupled with his own running ability makes him the better fit for the Bills.
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Mar 23, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I totally agree
Devin Thomas is probably a really raw receiver.  The truth is that nobody really knows how good of a route runner he is because Michigan State's offense was very gimmicky and most of Thomas' catches came off of bubble screens, slants and fly routes. Mich St really pounded defenses with the run and then mixed it up with pass plays that really don't work in the NFL.  The guy never had to cut on any of his routes.  I also think his YAC abilities are a little overstated because of the offense that he played in.

Thomas did go through a period this year where he had a bit of the dropsies.  I watched him play against Pitt early in the year and he dropped 2 balls on screen passes on consecutive plays and a deep ball went right through his hands late in the game.  Michigan St. barely won and the deep ball he should've caught, but didn't almost cost them the game.  He did have 79 catches so his hands can't be that bad, but I doubt they compare to Malcolm Kelly's.

by kaisertown on Mar 23, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I see all this Devin Thomas talk and lets just call a spade a spade.  Malcom Kelly IMO, is the most raw talented WR.  Thomas is a nice player, but if people are hyping him up bc of combine numbers I just don't buy it.  I mean look at TROY WILLIAMSON, he spent a summer at Nike in Washington working on improving his peripheral vision caught 20,000 balls in the off-season, and was the #7 overall pick and he NEVER got better at catching the ball.  Catching the ball is obviously the most important thing.  #2 is having no Fear.  

I just hope the Bills don't overthink things and take Thomas at #11.  I'd much rather have Kelly if he is a good kid.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 23, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't understand the emphasis on
kick return ability as a stop-gap measure.

we have two premier threats on the team in that category.

by sri on Mar 23, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Kick return
McGee was VERY average this year even if he still is one of the best. His increased pressure as the #1 CB may have effected his returns this year. Plus, it'd be nice to bring in another young return guy with other positional skills (like McGee originally).

I was never of the opinion that McGee couldn't handle both duties, but with the CB's we have on the roster, I'm beginning to think we need to allow him to concentrate on D only. At the very least we need to reduce his returns.

~K

by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Concern
Is that one of these times running back a kickoff he could get seriously injured and then we are without our #1 CB. Not a good situation to be in at all. We need to keep him fresh and healthy and that means getting him off the field when STs come out.
So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Mar 23, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is another mock if you haven't seen it
Buffalo Bills Mock
Round/Pick     Position     Name     School
1-11     Wide Receiver     Limas Sweed     Texas
2-41     Tight End     Fred Davis     USC
3-72     Cornerback     Orlando Scandrick     Boise State
4-110     Defensive End     Jeremy Thompson     Wake Forest
5-135     Guard     Robert Felton     Arkansas
5-139     Running Back     Chauncey Washington     USC
6-170     Cornerback     Simeon Castille     Alabama
7-201     Defensive Tackle     Maurice Murray     New Mexico State
MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Not bad
except for the CB and RB picks.

Scandrick is definitely not a top 75 pick. There are MUCH better CB prospects in the 3rd/4th round range. Brian picked a good one in Branch in his mock. Go with a Jason Jones if he's there in the 3rd if not CB.

I'd take my chances that Washington goes undrafted. We don't need a player like him anyhow, a between the tackles RB, as that's what our RB's we have excel at. If we go RB, I'd love to add a guy with some bigtime speed.

I'd go WR over another CB there too.

~K

by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Fits
If we are talking 1st round talents that fit us, then I would say that the only guy I don't agree on is Thomas.

Yes he is big, yes he can run, but he only entered the conversation after his combine showing. I distrust the combine whole heartedly. When did a football player ever have to bench 225 pounds on the field? When did a player EVER get the chance to run in a straight line for 40 yards without being knocked off stride (with the possible exception of Randy Moss)? All you need to know about a player can be found out by watching game tape. I'm sure the Bills didn't have anything on McGee from the combine.

Anyhow, I would say that actually Limas Sweed may be the better player to take due to his production and that his injury may be the easiest to overcome. If we are going for what fits the Bills, and injury history ignored completely, then Kelly would be the best fit. There I've said it. And to let people know why I say this, here are the top 4 big wideouts according to Scouts Inc.:

Malcolm Kelly- 93 6'4"
Strengths:
Big, strong and smooth receiver prospect. Excellent combination of size and athleticism. Plays quicker than his measurables would lead you to believe. He is a very natural pass-catcher. Has big, strong hands -- strongest hands of any WR in this year's class (in our opinion). Does an excellent job of securing the ball in traffic. Uses massive frame to shield defenders from the ball. Wins more jump balls than most receivers. Is a serious weapon inside the red zone. Displays unusually smooth hips for a bigger receiver. Gets in and out of breaks with very little wastes motion. Displays very soft hands when plucking on the run. Is smooth and fluid after the catch. Also a very strong runner. Will drag defenders and bounce off initial hits. Maintains balance after initial contact and will gain a lot of tough yards at the end of runs. Will give an adequate effort as a stalk blocker. Not overly physical but he will get in position and wall-off defender. Has the size to smother most DB's at the point of attack.

Weaknesses:
Lacks elite top-end speed. A bit of a long-strider that builds speed as he goes. Not overly explosive after the catch. He's smooth, but not very crisp when it comes to running routes. Rounds off too many of his breaks and still has room to improve with his overall footwork. Has had some trouble recently staying healthy. Missed time in each of the last two seasons due to injuries, including a torn meniscus in his knee during 2006-'07 Fiesta Bowl that required off-season surgery.

Overall:
Kelly was an instant contributor as a freshman, leading Oklahoma with 33 receptions and 471 yards in 2005. He played 11 games (six starts), scoring two touchdowns. In 2006, he again led the Sooners in catches (62) and receiving yards (993) and had 10 TDs. Paired with Juaquin Iglesias in a more balanced passing attack last season, Kelly wasn't able to match his sophomore numbers. But his 49 receptions, 821 yards and nine scores left him ranked No. 2 in touchdown receptions (21) and receiving yards (2,285) at OU. He played in the Fiesta Bowl in each of the last two seasons, but wasn't able to finish either game and posted no stats because of injuries. Kelly is a big and fluid wide receiver with arguably the strongest hands in the 2008 class. He would have benefited from another season in college to continue to refine his route running skills, but the risk was understandably not worth the reward. Kelly is one of the premier wide receiver prospects in the 2008 class and he should come off the board in the middle portion of the first round.

Limas Sweed- 92 6'4"
Strengths:
Possesses rare size for a wide receiver. He's tall, well built and extremely fluid for his size. Instinctive route runner; finding soft spots in zone comes very naturally to him. He does an excellent job of finding the ball over his shoulder and adjusting to the deep ball. Displays soft hands and very good concentration. Knows how to use his body to shield defenders and uses his upper body subtly to gain separation from defenders when the ball is in the air (see: TD vs. Oklahoma in 2006). Very difficult to defend one-on-one inside the red zone. Displays good leaping ability, long arms and big, strong hands to challenge for the jump ball. Supremely confident in his ability. Shows good body control along the sideline. He has good quickness and change-of-direction skills for his size. He will consistently make the first defender miss after the catch and he also shows the ability to make sharp cuts in the open field after the catch. Very competitive and hard working player.

Weaknesses:
Still has room to improve in terms of consistency as a route runner. Not as sudden in-and-out of breaks as you would like to see from an elite receiver. He's fluid with very good top-end speed for his size but he lacks ideal initial burst. Durability specifically his wrist is now a significant concern. .

Overall:
Sweed was redshirted in 2003. In his next three seasons at Texas (2004-'06), he appeared in 37 games (33 consecutive starts) and hauled in a combined 105 receptions for 1,609 yards (15.3 average) and 17 touchdowns. As a senior, he started in the Longhorns' first six games but was hindered by a wrist injury that had bothered him since spring workouts. He had 19 receptions for 306 yards (16.1 average) and three touchdowns in 2007 before undergoing season-ending surgery. He participated in practice early during Senior Bowl week only to re-aggravate the injury. Sweed suffered the wrist injury during summer camp and attempted to play through the pain. He simply wasn't the same player during those six games in 2007, which is why the majority of our evaluation is based off his junior tape in 2006. When healthy, Sweed has everything NFL teams look for in a No. 1 receiver, including tremendous athleticism for his size and very soft hands. Lingering concerns regarding his wrist injury as a senior could scare some teams in the top-15 away. Still, Sweed is the most talented all-around receiver in the 2008 class when he's at full strength, which is why we anticipate him being selected later in the first round.

James Hardy- 90 6'5" 1/2
Strengths:
Flashes the ability to get a clean release working against press coverage and can get open quickly when corners give him a cushion. Athletic and fluid changing directions when footwork is sound. Shows good toughness over the middle and can hold onto the ball after taking the big hit. Doesn't have great top-end speed but is a long-strider, shows good sideline awareness and tracks the ball fairly well so can make the occasional play downfield. Has excellent size and rarely gets muscled out of routes. Stays alert, shows good awareness and works back to the quarterback when the protection starts to break down. Uses wide frame to shield defenders from the ball and can make tough catches in traffic. Snatches the ball out of the air, is fluid turning upfield after catches and can pick up yards after contact. Times jumps well and has the potential to develop into a productive red zone target.

Weaknesses:
Rounds off too many cuts, doesn't set corners up by changing speeds and is an inconsistent route-runner at this point. Lacks ideal explosiveness and is going to have a harder time separating from man coverage at the NFL level. Takes too long to reach top speed, isn't going to make defenders miss in space and isn't much of a big-play threat after the catch. While has great size and flashes the ability to get into position doesn't play with enough of a mean streak and effort is inconsistent when blocking. Indiana suspended him for two games for an off-the-field incident in 2006 and character is somewhat of a concern.

Overall:
Indiana red-shirted Hardy during his true freshman season in 2004. Hardy appeared in ten games during the 2005 season. In 2006, he appeared in ten games recording 51 catches, 722 receiving yards and ten receiving touchdowns. Hardy appeared in all 13 games of the 2007 season recording 79 catches, 1,125 receiving yards and 16 receiving touchdowns. Hardy lacks ideal suddenness and will struggle to separate versus some of the elite cover corners at the next level. He also comes with some character baggage that will cause him to drop a bit during draft weekend. However, Hardy possesses a unique blend of size, athleticism and reliable hands, which is why he could be selected as high as the second round.

Devin Thomas- 88 6'2"1/4
Strengths:
Possesses adequate-to-good height with a sturdy build for a wide receiver. Very smooth and fluid. Displays outstanding hands. Can consistently catch over his head. Strong hands to pluck in traffic. Can snatch the ball on the run with very little wasted motion. Is a treat after the catch. Does not possess elite initial burst but he does display a second-gear to run away from defenders once he gets going (see 2nd quarter vs. Wisconsin). He is a silky smooth runner with excellent vision and body control. Sees the entire field and shows the change-of-direction ability to make sharp cuts without losing speed. Is strong and will drag some defenders for extra yards after the catch. Was effective in the times we saw him take hand offs in the backfield and might have a future as a kick return man in the NFL. Has bulk and strength to sustain blocks when he's in position. Also flashes a mean streak.

Weaknesses:
More dangerous after the catch than he is as a vertical route runner. Lacks ideal experience at the highest collegiate level. Still needs polishing as a route runner. Rounds off many of his routes. Not crisp enough to consistently separate from tight man-to-man coverage. Needs to improve his array of release moves versus press coverage at the line of scrimmage. Takes a bit too long to reach top speed. Doesn't always sell routes on play-action runs. Can sustain his blocks once locked on but takes some poor angles and doesn't always get in good position. Effort as a blocker is inconsistent.

Overall:
After proving his explosiveness and versatility by averaging 105.5 all-purpose yards at Coffeyville CC in 2005, Thomas enrolled at Michigan State. He played 10 games in his first season in East Lansing, but finished with just six receptions, 90 receiving yards and a touchdown. He broke out as a junior last season, playing in all 13 games and delivering 79 catches, eight TDs and a Big Ten-best 1,260 receiving yards for a Spartans offense that relied heavily on the run. He added 177 rushing yards on 27 carries and starred as a return man, averaging 29.1 on 39 kickoff returns. Compared to most prospects, there's very little information to go off of when evaluating Thomas. He only played one year at the FBS level and, as an underclassman entry, he was not able to compete in a post-season all-star game. His inexperience and lack of exposure naturally creates some doubt. However, the more film we study of Thomas the more impressed we are with his overall physical tools. He possesses the size, athleticism and hands of a future starter in the NFL, which is why we graded Thomas out in the second round. He will fit best in a West Coast system, where his run-after-catch ability will be maximized.

-- And just for my and Kurupt's sake to explain our man love of our favorite WR:

Jordy Nelson- 80 6'2"5/8
Strengths:
Is a big, strong receiver. Big target with extremely reliable hands. Consistently catches the ball thrown over his head, can pluck on the run effortlessly and does a great job of securing the ball in traffic. Not afraid to go over the middle. He has functional speed for his size. Most impressive is his ability to get in and out of breaks so quickly, especially for a bigger receiver. Displayed much better initial quickness and burst as a senior than he had in previous seasons. He runs crisp routes. Converted high school quarterback, shows a great feel for running routes, finding soft spots in zone and coming back to his quarterbacks when initial play has broken down. Very tough, competitive runner after the catch. Also shows excellent vision to navigate through traffic both after the catch and in the return game. Will lower his shoulder and drag smaller DB's for extra few yards at the end of the play. Continues to improve with experience. High character player and hard worker.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal top-end speed. Is not going to consistently get over the top of man-coverage as a vertical route runner. Runs hard and shows good vision but not overly elusive and doesn't display the second-gear necessary to run away from NFL defenders. Needs to improve technique and overall consistency as a blocker.

Overall: Nelson redshirted in 2003 and didn't see any action as a defensive back in 2004. He moved to wide receiver in 2005, appearing in 24 games (20 starts) over his sophomore and junior seasons (2005-'06). He had 84 receptions for 1,216 yards (14.5 average) and nine touchdowns during that span. Nelson was slowed by a knee injury in '06 but wouldn't sit out any games. Nelson was sensational as a senior, delivering 10.2 receptions for 133.4 receiving yards per game (both second in the nation) and 155.3 all-purpose yards per game (20th). His 2007 totals: 122 catches for 1,606 yards and 11 touchdowns; five punt returns for 264 yards (52.8 average) and two scores; and two passing TDs (on four attempts) for 45 yards. Nelson capped off a ridiculously productive senior season with a strong showing at the Senior Bowl. While he lacks elite speed and athleticism, Nelson is quicker than people seem to think and he simply knows how to separate and make plays. He will likely slip to the third round of the upcoming draft but it wouldn't shock us if Nelson spends 10-plus productive seasons in the NFL as a possession No. 2 or No. 3 receiver.

-- That parts in BOLD explain exactly why I want the Bills to draft this kid, does anything else say "Lunch Pail" player to anyone????

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Mar 23, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely...
Perfect there WA, I think Nelson is the Perfect Fit for Buffalo. I have watched a lot of this kid over the last couple of years, and I am absolutely what you want in a football player, he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER! You nailed it with the Lunch pail player remark. This kid will excell as a number 2 or 3 for years to come...I'm just dreaming that it is for the Bills!
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Mar 23, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
And I like Jordy Nelson.  I think he will be the best WR available when the Bills pick in the second round.  If the Bills decide not to pick WR in the first and take Nelson in the second I will have no problem with the decision.  The only problem I have with your post is:

"This kid will excell as a number 2 or 3 for years to come"

I am looking for a WR to excel as a number 1.  That is why the Bills are looking at players like Malcolm Kelly in the first.  We need an elite playmaker.

by kaisertown on Mar 23, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is fine.....
If you would rather have a number one, and I didn't say he couldn't be a number one, I just see him more as a number 2, and that includes the immediate future, Nelson, although still a project himself is THE MOST ready to contribute of any of the WR's this year. So you tell me...who is the "Elite Playmaker" who you are targeting because I wasn't aware that Calvin Johnson was coming out again this year? Is it Kelly, Sweed, or Thomas, and which one will be that elite playmaker immediately?  
Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Mar 24, 2008 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well
Nobody thought Dwayne Bowe was going to be an elite talent at WR last year.  Just because someone isn't a top 5 overall talent like Calvin Johnson doesn't relegate them to being a number 2 receiver.

Where does everyone get this idea that Jordy Nelson is more ready to contribute than other WRs?  I think the things that allow a WR to contribute early are route running, athleticism and ball skills.

Malcolm Kelly and Limas Sweed both have better ball skills and run routes as well or better.  I think Kelly and Sweed are both more explosive athletes as well.  What qualities do you see in Jordy Nelson that makes you think he can contribute more quickly than guys like Kelly, Sweed and Doucet.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple of things
I think Jordy is more ready to contribute since he is a guy who has played the slot position alot, and he does very well in catching the ball in the middle of the field which is critical to us. Lee doesn't want to go there, and Reed, well, lets just say he lacks the ability to go and get the ball the Nelson has shown.

Nelson's hands I think may be just a bit below Sweeds or Kelly's and he also returned punts and kickoffs in college. With him we get a guy who does well where Trent likes to throw the ball, and a guy who can get McGee off of the returns group. Do I think he would be better than Kelly or Sweed? Honestly no, but I will say that I think he would be a good consolation prize for us if the team doesn't go WR in the 1st round. Especially if we get Lee extended, then a pick of him would be fine by me.

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Mar 24, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malcolm Kelly
His workout on April 9 will determine everything.  If he runs a sub-4.50 and show off a great workout, these discussions will end, and Kelly will shoot up to the No.1 WR slot.  But, if his workout is only average (and I gather this is the more likely outcome, especially with respect to his 40 time), then Sweed and Thomas probably will jump ahead of him.  I also am curious as to why James Hardy, who ran a 4.49, is 6ft 6in, and had a great receiving career in the Big Ten (especially TDs), doesn't get put in the same class as these other receivers.

by labill on Mar 23, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Charecter issues
Dude punched his girl friend, and was charged and did community service for it. He then broke a/some tema rule(s) (no word on exactly what he did there) but was suspended 2 games this past season.

NOt exactly the type of guy you want on your team when you NEED your WR to make every start. If he is going to be a complete knucklehead, we can't afford to make him our main choice.

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Mar 23, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy
Watching some videos of him, I personally think he looks a little stiff. I'm not sure how easy it's going to be for him to beat press coverage.  I think he's right where he should be in the rankings.
~K

by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should take Schmitt at 4
I know taking a fullback at the 4th round usually isn't common, but I don't think some people realize just how much of an impact Schmitt could have, with his combinination of athleticism and an absolute non-stop motor he would be clearing a massive hole for Marshawn right of the bat. Supposedly we're still a run first offense and Schmitt would add so much to it.  And the likleyhood of finding another player with the impact he would have is slim in the 4th round.  He would probably be the best player available, and if we want to trully improve our run offense then we really need him, we can't risk passing him and hopping hes in the 5th or 6th
"Where else would you rather be than right here, right now?"

by ArenZimm on Mar 23, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Great call
I agree completely. I would love Schmitt in the 4th. So if we're accepting that the Bills will take a reciever at #11 does that mean our first four picks could go:
Rd 1- Kelly/Sweed WR
Rd 2- Jason Jones DE
Rd 3- Jordy Nelson WR
Rd 4- Owen Schmitt FB

What do you all think? I really am a fan of Schmitt and I totally agree that Marshawn would reap huge benefits from his addition.

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Mar 23, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schmitt
How much would he really help?  We used a lead blocker at times last year in the form of the H-back and still struggled.  Our run game isn't going to be miraculously better because of a true FB. Schmitt isn't going to help much when Fowler is letting the OL cave in.
~K

by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

True
good point...so you're saying you want a center with the 4th, or higher?
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Mar 24, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, not necessarily
I'm not high on many of the C prospects this year.  I think we can wait until the 5th/6th round region to find a solid prospect at that position.  I don't know if ANY centers in this draft could show enough to completely knock Fowler out of the picture.

What I'm really saying is that we don't need to spend such a high pick on a FB.  I think it would be a waste and we can find solid FB's in later rounds or as UDFA's.  How about Jerome Felton from Furman in the 7th?

~K

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think
Mike Pollack could walk in and start from day one, but he is the only center in this year's draft class that could do that.

A fourth round comp. pick or 5th round pick aren't really high picks. The Bills have taken Dwayne Wright, Ko Simpson, Duke Preston, Tim Euhus, Terrance McGee, Sam Aiken, Justin Bannan, Brandon Spoon and Avion Black with their 4th round picks in the 2000s.  I am even advocating that the Bills wait about 15 picks later than all those players were drafted and use our comp. pick which is essentially a 5th rounder for Schmitt.

I think the dropoff between Schmitt and Hillis and a player like Felton is huge.  Felton was mostly a RB at Furman and likely wouldn't be able to contribute in his rookie season as a lead blocker.  He would probably only have a 50/50 shot to make the team at all.  Schmitt is a sure thing to have an impact as a fourth round player.  That is great value regardless of position.

The really elite lead blockers in the NFl mostly went in that 4th - 5th round range.  Guys like Heath Evans (3rd), Lorenzo Neal (4th), Terrelle Smith (4th) and Mike Karney (5th) are all examples of the kind of impact a great FB can have on a team as a mid round pick.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am in the Schmitt camp
I would love to take him with the Bills 4th round comp. pick.  I wouldn't mind Peyton Hillis in the fifth round instead if the Bills wanted someone who was a slightly better receiver.  It really depends on what kind of TE the Bills take.  If they draft an H-Back type player like Keller or Tamme it would make more sense to draft Schmitt.  If they go with a true inline TE like Bennett than Hillis becomes a strong option as well.

I think Schmitt would have a much bigger immediate impact than any other player we could take in the fourth round.  I think his physical nature combined with the size of our 0-Line and our run first philosophy could really wear down defenses. It could help Marshawn to break a few more long runs and average about .25 yards per carry more than last year.  That could make for a huge difference.  I also think Darian Barnes just isn't any good and without Gaines this team doesn't really have a viable H-Back candidate either.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

FB
I thought as new offensive coordinator turk schonert was going to shy away from the H-back system, and rely more on a true fullback. With a running mentality offense, without using the H-back, i think lynch will be even more productive. And i think along with a true, hardhitting fullback he will thrive.

by big john on Mar 24, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
I love the idea of switching to a true FB, but we won't really know Schonert's plans until the season gets going.  If the Bills draft a TE like Tamme or Keller I would expect to see them utilized out of the backfield on passing downs quite a bit.  If Teyo Johnson makes the team he will be put in motion often and could take some snaps away from a fullback too.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

i also agree
Schonert has said that he has big plans, and such and such. We'll see how that turns out. Fairchild was extremely conservative, and i blame him for some of our close losses, where his conserative style didnt work. i.e. the denver game.i think schonert may follow in fairchilds conservative footsteps though. so well see.
im not a huge fan of teyo johnson in the backfield, and im not a fan of darian barnes. thats why i think we should draft a true fullback.

by big john on Mar 24, 2008 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha
I hope Fairchild has fun losing games at Colorado St.  That is a bad program and they proved it by hiring a bad coordinater.

I don't actually think the Bills will put Teyo Johnson in the backfield.  I just think that he will take some plays away from a FB.  In passing situations the Bills may decide to line up Johnson like a FB and then try to motion him into the slot and create a mismatch.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitting the Cover 2
I hope everyone in this Community knows better.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 23, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

If I may
I believe what Fort Worth is trying to say is...DON'T SETTLE, GET THE BEST PLAYER REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT HE FITS THE COVER 2.

Does that sum it up?

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
Three Things:
  1. Interest in players should not be limited based on scheme.  Create a scheme around the players, not the other way around.
  2. We should all hope for greater things.  Hope for changes or adjustments to the Bills' Cover 2 defense for the better.  For example, why not be interested in a cornerback that can cover?  The type of cornerback that doesn't require safety help and can legitimately cover NFL receivers in single, man coverage.
  3. Team versatility.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that what the Pats do ?
NO...they bring in players that fit their scheme.  

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair
The Pats can play just about any scheme well. So it really doesn't matter who they bring in - they'll find a way to use them correctly.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you really want to be fair
Scheme is the first thing a coach must decide on and cannot be changed on a whim or after bringing in one or two players.  Most coaches have strong beliefs about their scheme.  The players they get in FA and the draft are to fit that scheme.  The players that make a 34 defense work are not the same players that will make a 43 work.  Same goes for offense.  You can't run a west coast offense with a QB that likes to throw the long ball and is inaccurate with short and intermediate throws.  Sound familiar?

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fitting a square peg into a round hole...
If your QB's strength is throwing downfield and his weakness is throwing short, then don't run the West Coast offense.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or
draft a QB that fits your scheme, because as a coach you think the west coast offense is the cat's meow.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players Trump Schemes
A coach for example, one that passes on drafting Joe Montana because the coach only believes in a vertical downfield passing scheme, has got problems.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK
Give me one example of a coach changing his scheme after drafting a player.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don Shula and Dan Marino
Please see my comments below.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read this and tell me I am wrong
"The standards that Walsh set coaching the West Coast offense were miraculous. His primary goal was to get players that fit the system. Therefore, I will give an idea on what type of players by position that Walsh wanted. "

http://football.calsci.com/WCOHistory2.html

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players versus Schemes
It's not about copying what the Pats do.  They've already gotten busted for recording.

The bottom line is: Great players make great plays.  Great plays do not make great players.

How good is a coach if he cannot take advantage of talent, maximizes his players' strengths, minimizes his players' weaknesses, and create a scheme based on his players?  The coach's job is to get the most out of his players by putting them in position to make plays.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
Rigid adherence to schemes is another reason I don't like coaches getting a say in the front office.  When this happens, the roles become too blurry and talent is often sacrificed for the sake of comfort.  Jauron's schemes have not worked overall after seven seasons of being a head coach.  His only hope now is to adjust to some degree.  I'm hopeful that the acknowledgement that we needed some size at DT and LB was a start, but feel as if there's more owning up to do as the mistakes of free agency '06 (Price, Reed, Royal, Fowler, Tripplett) are only 40% corrected.
Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Mar 24, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.
And the Giants' success had more to do with the players than the plays that were called.  The players' talent and heart didn't come from the playbook.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 25, 2008 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really
You can tell the people who have actually coached before.  Schemes can be adjusted to fit personnel, but your base scheme or general offensive/defensive philosophy doesn't change.  Will Bill Parcells ever run a west coast offense?  Will Mike Martz ever run a power run offense?  The answer is NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Not really
Don Shula had a lot of success coaching two completely different schemes.  His schemes were based on his players.  When Shula had Csonka, Kiick, and Morris, all the Dolphins did was run the ball.  When Shula had Marino, all the Dolphins did was throw the ball.

You think that Brian Billick doesn't believe in having an explosive offense?  He was the offensive coordinator of Minnesota's record-breaking offense in 1998.  However, Billick won in Baltimore by adjusting his philosophy to the strength of the team, which was clearly the defense and not the offense.

You think Tony Dungy doesn't believe in having a great defense?  Call it whatever you want, but the Colts have been winning with their offense for a while.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read this and tell me I am wrong
"The standards that Walsh set coaching the West Coast offense were miraculous. His primary goal was to get players that fit the system. Therefore, I will give an idea on what type of players by position that Walsh wanted."

from
http://football.calsci.com/WCOHistory2.html

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Game
is more about the players than it is about the plays.

Notice how the Cowboys' bread and butter, the lead draw, didn't work nearly as well after Emmitt Smith left the team?

You think if the Packers run the same plays in 2008 as they have done in the past, except with Aaron Rodgers instead of Brett Favre under center, there won't be a difference?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on how good Rogers is
Favre is only God in Green Bay.  There are other great QBs in the league with a similiar skill set.  Lets make this simple.  I think that coaches look to draft players whose strengths fit the scheme they like to run.  I never said that players were not important.  Great player make great plays.    Great players also have the ability to adjust to different schemes.  But how many truely great players are on a team and how do you know they are great when you draft them?  For example, Chris Long could play DE in a 43 or LB in a 34.  But I guarentee you whoever drafts Chris Long is not planning on changing their defense to fit him.  

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players
with the talent to excel in different schemes are truly special players.  No change or adjustment in scheme is required.  That's called "Coaching Made Easy".

You stated that coaches look to draft players whose strengths fit the scheme they like to run.  Fine.  All I'm saying is that coaches should not pass on acquiring great players just because they don't fit the scheme they like to run.

For example, Deion Sanders' strengths wouldn't have fit in a Cover 2 scheme.  However, what good coach would not adjust his Cover 2 scheme to take advantage of Sanders' rare talent in man coverage?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sanders
strength was man-to-man coverage.  To the best of my understanding, cover 2 corners don't have to be lock down man-to-man corners, but they MUST tackle well.  I remember announcers openly mocking Sanders tackling ability on the air.  So, do you really think Sanders would have been great cover 2 corner?

by Joe P. on Mar 25, 2008 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sanders
Deion never tackled as much as got in the way. He would have been a terrible cover 2 guy. I know the argument will now be, then change your system to accommodate Sanders. My thought process is, that not all guys fit on your team no matter how good they are, and some players are only good because of the scheme they play in. Zones are contingent on everyone doing their job, if one player is freelancing it could screw up the whole defense.  
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 25, 2008 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I Stated...
Sanders would not have been a great fit in a Cover 2 scheme, so therefore adjust the scheme to take advantage of Sanders' rare talent in man coverage.

In 2006 after their bye week, the Bills successfully adjusted their Cover 2 scheme and often matched up Nate Clements in single coverage on their opponent's best receiver to take advantage of Clements' talent in man coverage.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 25, 2008 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

This horse
is dead!!!  I am going to stop beating it.

by Joe P. on Mar 25, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What fun is that???
C'mon give it one more kick. I think it just twitched.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 25, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this
your way of agreeing with me that the game is more about players than it is about plays?
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 25, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

There it is again
That was the twitch I was talking about.

Fort and I have had similar discussions before, so I know how they go, I don't know who is right anymore.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 25, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any more challengers?
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 25, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fort Worth
You are the champion of persistence.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 25, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks
I try to stick to what I believe in.  However, if I am wrong, I will admit that I am wrong.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 25, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good points
but only the Dolphins example even comes close to being applicable.  In 1972, the Fins had the number one offense and defense.  Also, a ProBowl and Hall of Fame QB named Bob Griese.  Ever heard of him?  You can't compare offense and defense on the same team.  How can you say Billick decided to have a crappy offense because he had a great defense.  I am sure he wanted both.  Same with Dungy.  It is hard to have a great offense and defense because there is not enough money to pay everyone.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billick and Dungy
I don't doubt that they both wanted a great offense and a great defense.  But with the resources that they had, they had success by choosing to adjust to the strengths of their players.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So
Billick drafted some great defensive players, but when it came time to draft offensive players he said ?

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Different Topic
In my opinion, there is no such thing as a "time to draft offensive players".

I believe in drafting the best available player.  Evidently, so do the Ravens.

There are some instances where two players have very close grades, and you may select the player with the slightly lower grade because that player fills a position of higher need.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which explains
why the Ravens offense sucks and Billick got fired.  Now, I am going to go soak my head in a bucket of ice and go to bed.  Peace!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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