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Building a Roster an Age Game, Too

Schobel one of a handful over 30+ Bills players (BuffaloBills.com)

With the 2008 NFL Draft taking place less than two weeks from today, draft chatter is taking place at a more frequent pace than ever. In the case of the Buffalo Bills, we have already ironed out the team's biggest needs heading into the draft. But this time of year is more than about building a winning team - it's about planning for the future, as well. When an NFL player hits age 30, no matter how productive they are, it is a smart business move to start thinking about grooming their eventual replacement. Unless we're talking about Brett Favre or something.

Fortunately, the Bills are one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Even after adding a few veteran pieces to the roster to provide the team a nice balance between veteran and youth, the team still only employs seven players who will be over 30 by the start of the regular season.

Buffalo's Over-Thirty Crowd
Two of Buffalo's over-thirty crowd are kicker Rian Lindell (31 this past January) and punter Brian Moorman (32 this past February). They're still young guys. If they catch Jeff Feagles syndrome, they'll be Bills for the next decade. Rock on, guys.

Tight end Robert Royal will turn 30 this May. Newly acquired defensive tackle Marcus Stroud will join him in late June. Both of these players compete at positions that have a nice mix of veteran experience and youth (I didn't say good veteran experience and youth in the case of the tight ends), so it's not imperative that we plan to replace either of these players. Clearly, the team could and should target a tight end to start over Royal, but that's a topic for a different, non-age-related thread. Royal can still be a valuable #2 TE in this league.

The real problems arise at defensive end and the interior offensive line - two of the more important positions in football. Recently re-signed reserve guard Jason Whittle turned 33 this past March, and he's the only backup offensive lineman (other than tackle Kirk Chambers, 29 himself) that doesn't make one queasy to watch in spot duty. (And that's because most of us haven't actually seen him play after he missed most of 2006 on IR.) Depth is old and thin, therefore, at that position. The same can be said for defensive end, where the final two 30+ Bills - Aaron Schobel (31 this coming September) and Ryan Denney (31 this coming June) - reside. Add in the fact that the team's only other viable defensive end, Chris Kelsay, will turn 29 this coming season as well (on Halloween, if you're interested), and you begin to see how desperate an influx of youth is at defensive end.

A Quick Disclaimer
Many of you may have been reading this with this thought - or some form of it - running through your head: "Thirty? Thirty isn't so old. A lot of players play very good football into their late thirties!"

I certainly hope that's true - and in the case of Moorman, Lindell, Stroud, Schobel and perhaps even Whittle, I believe it's the case. It had better be the case for Schobel, who will play out a seven-year deal he signed last August, which will last him until age 37. It had better be the case for Stroud, this off-season's key acquisition that is being hyped as the addition that will put this defense over the top.

But to deny that planning ahead for the 30+ veterans on your roster, no matter how productive they are, is a good idea would be a mistake. This team is still by and large young, especially at the quarterback position, so planning for the future is still more imperative than employing a "win now" attitude. Yes, there are other factors to consider (roster numbers and contract status chief among them), but age must be considered as well.

The Rub
Buffalo's biggest age rub comes at defensive end, where two of the team's three viable players are nearing the back stretch of their careers. The third viable end will turn 29 soon as well. Without even factoring in that trio's lack of consistent production and injury issues last year - a topic well covered in these parts - adding youth to this position is a must.

Tight end will be addressed, but that falls outside of the Robert Royal-is-30 issue. Moorman and Lindell are fine, and the Bills have enough youth at defensive tackle (John McCargo, Kyle Williams) that preparing for Stroud's eventual downfall isn't a pressing concern at this point, either. So to defensive end, we'll add one position: interior offensive line. The 33-year-old Whittle is joined there by the "youthful" (but plays like he's 80) Duke Preston, but concerns abound.

When it comes to age concerns for the Bills, they're not as pressing here as they are in other NFL cities. But the team hasn't totally escaped the age issue, either. Look for the team to add young talent at defensive end and backup guard or center in this year's draft. The veterans on this roster could use a rook to groom up in those positions.

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Great thread...
that makes me think that Harvey can be an option. I have said all along that one of the best assets of the Bills front office is that they infuse a great mix of trying to be competitive now while not losing site on the future. The great thing is that we have enough holes and their is plenty of depth in this years draft.

I am getting really excited about the draft... less then two weeks away. Sorry for talking draft but I have one last thing. I see us taking three players at #11 or we will trade down:

  1. Mckelvin
  2. Harvey
  3. Thomas
Once Mckelvin is gone, the Bills will be on the phone trying to trade down. If they can't, HArvey or Thomas will be the pick. I would be just fine with either of these three players.

by hilliarddavid on Apr 13, 2008 9:54 AM EDT   0 recs

Phone Calls
I don't know that Buffalo will have to get on the phone in order to trade down. Their phone will ring because at least one of the following will still be on the board at #11:

Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis, Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, Darren McFadden, Leodis McKelvin, DRC, Keith Rivers, Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Branden Albert

However the top 10 picks go (and to whom they go) shouldn't make much difference as to whether teams want to move up to #11. The draft is viewed as deep but with a limited amount of elite level talent. Well, that elite level talent will be off the board by pick #12-#13 or so.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Buffalo starts getting calls from teams (from picks #15 and back) several days before the draft setting up if-then scenarios. For example, Philly might call and say they will give Buffalo 'x' if Rivers is on the board after the #10 pick. It should be an interesting day to say the least.

by Ron From NM on Apr 13, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Possible Scenarios
These are 4  posssibilities .

1.Carolina,Chicago,Detriot,Arizona and Philly are are in need of OT.2 maybe 3 OT could be gone in the top 10.Chicago most likely.

2.Minnesota,Detriot and Arizona have needs at DE after Harvey and Merling big drop off after these guys are gone IMO.Minnesota most likely.

3.Detriot and Arizona have need at RB.Only takes place If either team covets Mendenhall and believes Chicago will take him.Least likey of the 4 to happen.

4.Arizona and Philly have nedd CB.Possible that 3CB gone in top 10.Philly most likely.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 13, 2008 4:47 PM EDT   0 recs

Philly needs a corner?
Aren't they moving ahead right now with Asante Samuel and Sheldon Brown at CB? And of course they have Lito Sheppard until they trade him to us. Was just wondering what you meant by Philly needing a CB.
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 13, 2008 5:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Brown
is better suited for nickel corner and a good fill in if starters gets hurt.Lito will be traded by the draft and they don't have to trade up to get 1 of the top WR prospects.The OT issue is two lineman are nearing 33 and 34 yrs old.Also Justice struggled last year so I would think they have a need at OT.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 13, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yea
I agree with you completely about the OT scenario, I've actually thought for some time now that if a trade happens it will be because Philly wants to jump up to grab their OT. I wonder if the Eagles share your concern about Sheldon Brown, I really hope they dont draft a CB with 19 so we can have more options with pick 41. To add to your list, can't you see Philly trading with us if LB Keith Rivers makes it out of the top 10?
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 13, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No
LB isn't one of top 5 needs for philly.Plus they can get mayo,connor,adibi or henderson in 2nd rd.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 13, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LB and Philly
LB is a MAJOR need for Philly.  Here is who they currently have on the roster:

50 Boiman, Rocky LB 6-4 236 Notre Dame 7
55 Bradley, Stewart LB 6-3 254 Nebraska 2
96 Gaither, Omar LB 6-2    245 Tennessee 3
56 Jordan, Akeem LB 6-1 226 James Madison 2
52 Togafau, Pago LB 5-10 250 Idaho State 2
57 Gocong, Chris LB/DE     6-2 263    California State Poly. 3

Unless they plan on starting Boiman or Bradley alongside Gaither and Gocong, they REALLY need a quality LB. Even so, they need a stud LB. If Rivers falls to 11, I wouldn't be surprised if they move up for him....

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks K
You beat me to posting that. LB is without a doubt a major need in Philly...

by krytime on Apr 13, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bradley
is who the plan starting.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 14, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Philly
They need a WR for McNabb, OTs to replace aging guys and could use some LBs. Whether they value anyone enough to trade up to #11 is another matter.

by Ron From NM on Apr 13, 2008 6:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Ron...
Is that you?? The "Ron" from the old 365 board??? Can't be 2 Ron offensive line gurus... If it is, gotta thank you for the Zumanity wallpaper!!! LOL!!!
Just "ran in to" Joe P... Is there anyone else here on this board from the ole 365??
BTW.. Your analysis is right on, except your Philly trade diary... There's no way a trade for Lito will go down on draft day, unless an agreement on a new contract is worked out before hand, and why rework a deal with someone with 3 yrs on his current deal??? ... Tampering charges and all...
Think offense my friend... WR, TE, Center..... All else is depth, future starters...

by Cinga on Apr 13, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Welcome aboard, Cinga
I tried logging back into RF365 but it kept telling me I wasn't registered never mind the registration e-mails.

It wouldn't be tampering for Buffalo to get parameters for Sheppard if Philly is in the loop. It's only tampering if Buffalo does it without the consent of the Eagles. As I said, his contract would be the sticking point if not worked out in advance. Stroud had 3 years on his contract and the Bills reworked it. Basically, they seem to have given him the same money just more of it upfront. Perhaps Sheppard might be interested in something similar but then perhaps not.

I'm thinking offense all the way as far as the top 3 picks go. However, if Buffalo could add a quality DB and still get a starting WR, TE and C out of the first 3 rounds it would just be all the better.

For those not in the know, Zumanity is a Vegas show. One of the performers does a hoops routine that would make a stripper blush. You can search for her on Youtube under Julia Kolosova. Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PWoArwVbJw You can also get better video of her (though not the amazing routine) by going to www.zumanity.com and clicking on the "Take a spin" link. It's worth the time.  

by Ron From NM on Apr 13, 2008 10:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sheppard's deal
I just looked up Lito's current contract. He signed a 5 yr $25M extension through 2011 a few years back. The terms for the next few years include: 2008: $2 million (+ $1.45 million in bonuses), 2009: $3 million, 2010: $3.7 million, 2011: $4.25 million.

I don't know how much more a team would be willing to give him.  I suppose adding $1-2M per season and some type of bonuses would entice Sheppard to sign a new deal, and it would also be a pretty good deal for the team involved.  One thing that will help any team dealing for Sheppard is he has FOUR years left on his deal. Teams could very well tell him to shut up and play a few seasons before they negotiate with him, and what exactly can he do? Maybe he shouldn't have signed a deal through 2011...

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Being that I just turned 30 in January...
I'm glad you said 30 isn't that old.

That said I really think that the DE position needs an influx of youth. Of course every one knows (well everyone who has read my rabblings) Thats why I have been pushing for Harvey, but at the very least this position needs to be addressed, at some point.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 13, 2008 9:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Nothing in the thirties is old.
Except if you're a professional tackle football player.  Then thirty is old...

DE will be addressed, you know that.  But if it's not Harvey/Merling/Campbell, I think it's safe to say they are planning on Spencer as a DE on some downs.  And if that's the case, they'll go slummin' for a DE early to late on the second day.

If that's how it plays out, can I get you on my DT in the 2nd to 4th round club?

by krytime on Apr 13, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

DE
I'm really starting to believe the Bills could play Johnson more at DE than we've discussed. With him having the ability to play outside on run downs, we could simply add a situational pass rusher this Draft and get by for the time being. We do need a young DE that will start down the road, but I can see that being put off until next year.  If we don't add a DE with every down capability, I kind of hope we add TWO situational pass rushers, at least one with the ability to play some LB.  One in the 4th or 5th round and another towards the end of the Draft.  
~K

by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2008 10:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So maybe with your change of mind
you go,
  1. WR
  2. TE
  3. C
  4. CB
  5. DE
In terms of priority?  Personally, I'd put DE higher, but I would be fine if the Bills drafted like this.  Ideally, I'd still like a 1-2 combo of Harvey and Hardy.
Limas would be a Sweed pick at 11. :) So would Harvey.

by Kumario! on Apr 14, 2008 6:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Look over your shoulder
I've been on that bandwagon, I agree with the need for another DT, I still don't trust Stroud's ankle.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 14, 2008 6:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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