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Bills Draft Board/Strategy

PART I:  THE DRAFT BOARD

Note:  This is a post that is based on Brian's front page story.  I was going to post it as a reply, however, it got too long.  What follows below is how I believe the Bills draft strategy is unfolding:

Well I attempted to do an "overall" list, however, I realized I couldn't do that until I ranked the players by position, so here are my positional rankings, the way I think the Bills have it (first round grades only):

The positional orders are based on need (i.e. WR is first on the list because that is the biggest need.  CB follows that, and so on...)

WR:

  1. Devin Thomas
  2. Malcolm Kelly
  3. James Hardy
  4. Limas Sweed
CB:
  1. Leodis McKlevin
  2. Antoine Cason
  3. Brandon Flowers
  4. Mike Jenkins
  5. Aquib Talib
  6. DRC
TE:
There are no tight ends with a 1st round grades (have Bennett rated highest however)

C:
There are no centers with a first round grade

FB:
There are no fullbacks with a 1st round grades

DE:

  1. Chris Long
  2. Vernon Gholston
  3. Derrick Harvey
  4. Phillip Merling
DT:
  1. Sedrick Ellis
  2. Glenn Dorsey
S:
1. Kenny Phillips

LB:

  1. Keith Rivers (devalue)
  2. Jerod Mayo (devalue)
G/T:
  1. Jake Long
  2. Brandon Albert (devalue)
  3. Ryan Clady (devalue)
  4. Jeff Otah (devalue)
  5. Chris Williams (devalue)
  6. Gosder Cherilus (devalue)
QB:
1. Matt Ryan

RB:

  1. Darren McFadden
  2. Rashard Mendenhall
  3. Jonathan Stewart
So from those positional lists, when I put my board together, I am going to eliminate Chris Long (DE), Vernon Gholston (DE), and Jake Long (OT) because I believe they all have the slightest chance to fall to the Bills at 11.  I am also eliminating all of the QB's and RB's because they are positions of no need (at least at the top end of the draft), so Matt Ryan (QB), Darren McFadden (RB), Rasheed Mendenhall (RB), and Jonathan Stewart (RB) are gone as well.  I am not "eliminating" the G/T or the LBs but I am "devaluing" them because of need.  I don't see Buffalo taking guys at these positions in the first round, unless the value greatly outweighs anything else.  So with that, here is my "overall" list:
  1. Sedrick Ellis - DT
  2. Glen Dorsey - DT
  3. Leodis McClevin - CB
  4. Derrick Harvey - DE
  5. Antoine Cason - CB
  6. Devin Thomas - WR
  7. Brandon Flowers - CB
  8. Brandon Albert - G/T
  9. Keith Rivers - LB
  10. Ryan Clady - OT
Click the "read more" to see Part II - Draft Strategy

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PART II:  DRAFT STRATEGY

First, lets look at two of the more interesting comments that caught my ear from Modrak yesterday over at Buffalobills.com:

"We've done our studies and history has said that over time," said Modrak. "All of us have broken ranks on those things. Part of it is picking 11th, a point where there's enough guys coming off the board that it's not slam dunk wherever you're going. There is consideration what you can pick up next time around and not be isolated, and ask, 'What's better for us now and what's better for us in a little while?'"

And though the Bills draft board at this point isn't complete, they will have a definitive course of action with just a few candidates pegged for number 11.

"In reality, our pick is pretty well established in that we have the tight shot circle of the people we're looking at," said Modrak. "If they all came off the board then you're into a little bit more of discussion."

He also said that CB has good depth, but that's one of those positions where one of them comes off the board and then a run starts and all of a sudden the depth is gone.

So what do I infer from all of this?  Well the draft board above I think exemplifies nicely.  Although Ellis and Dorsey are top of the list, they both very easily could have gone in the "Long-Long-Gholston" category of too remote to consider.   After that is McKlevin.  He fits a position of need and would be the next highest player on the Bills board.  We can consider him "Plan A."  At this time, though, he probably has about a 35-40% chance of being their when the Bills pick, so having a solid Plan B is important.  

Here's where I think it gets interesting.  The next four guys on the board or Harvey, Cason, Thomas, and Flower at 4-7, respectfully.  First off, I think these four guys, along with McKlevin make up the "tight" circle that Modrak is talking about. Secondly, if the Bills stayed true to their board, then they would take Harvey.  Well we all know how I feel about DE in round 1, and it obviously ignores two important positions of need (CB and WR), which happened to be represented by players directly below Harvey on the board (Cason and Thomas).  So the question becomes:  Do the Bills draft by the board, or do they by-pass Harvey and go with Thomas or Cason?

But it's not just a simple "pick one or the other" question.  The Bills also have to think about (1) the value of the pick,  (2) the depth of the position, and somewhat related, (3) which players will be available in later rounds, (4) the teams drafting around you, and of course,(5)overall team needs/shape of current roster.

First, value.  Well we already established that Harvey would be the best value according to the board.  But Thomas and Cason are a close second and third.  So, although Harvey has the edge, it's not a drastic separating factor.

Second, depth (in terms of the draft class).  Another one that works in favor of Harvey.  DE depth, compared to WR and CB depth is very weak.  So if Buffalo really wants a blue-chip DE, they will have to Harvey, because one will not be available by the time the Bills pick again at #42.  CB has good depth, however, like Modrak said, once the run on good DBs starts, the good depth quickly disappears.  WR is not top-end heavy, but has decent depth. Of course, it is also the team's clear-cut, most pressing need, so even though the depth is there, getting the top guy on your board at that position becomes much more necessary.

Third, which players will be available in the later rounds.  In relation to depth, Harvey wins out here because the DE's in the later rounds don't hold up to the CBs and WRs.  CB's that could be available in round 2 or 3 include Flowers, Branch, King, etc.  WR's that could be available in round 2 include Kelly, Hardy, Nelson, etc.  Out of all of the positions, WR has the best chance of having the best players available in round 2.  I think Flowers will be gone and up until a week ago, Kelly was the Bills favorite.

Fourth, taking into account the teams drafting around you and their needs.  Lets look first at DE and Harvey.  If Harvey is there when the Bills pick at 11 and they pass on him, he will likely go within the next 4 picks.  Detroit at 15 has expressed interest in him and he'd likely not slide past them.  So if the Bills want Harvey, they would have to take him at 11.  As for Thomas and Cason, the issue is not so clear.  Teams directly below Buffalo are not in desperate needs of WRs or CBs.  You have to go to the late teens to start finding teams that could be interested.  However, with CB, you also have to consider the teams in front of you.  There is a good chance by the time that Bills pick at 11, two CBs will already be off the board.  This of course, depletes the overall depth, and makes a team more apt to grab one of the top guys now, instead of waiting.

Lastly, you have to look at overall team needs and the shape of the roster (and salaries).  This is where it hurts Harvey the most.  Out of the three positions, DE has the most talent, depth, and financial investment.  In addition, the hole at WR is so large, that it becomes even more of a need.  The depth is better at CB, but it appears the front office feels that the top end talent can be better.  If the Bills take Harvey in round 1, they would have to deal with the consequences of obtaining lesser talent to fill these holes.

So what does all this mean, overall? All three players offer something the others don't:  Harvey-value, Cason - need/value, Thomas - major need.  However, when taking everything into consideration (including the knowledge that the Bills were high on Kelly pre-workout), I think the Bills pass on WR in round 1 with the hopes of trading back up to grab Kelly or having him fall to them at #42.  So that leaves "plan B" down between Harvey and Cason and all the factors leave me to think that this is going to be a hard decision for the organization and one that might tilt on some draft day action.  The Bills will go into draft day with one above the other, that's for certain.  However, I do think they will be flexible.  For example:  If they decide Harvey will be their "Plan B," they only do so with a caveat.  Knowing the team needs, if another team like Detroit or Philly offer a good deal to trade down, the additional 2nd or 3rd round pick the Bills could get for trading down, may ultimately put Cason above Harvey in terms of value, even though he didn't start out there.

Here's my guess on how the Bills draft plan looks:

Plan A:  McKlevin at 11 if he's there

Plan B:  If McKlevin is gone, the Bills will fish around for trade partners.  If they find one, they will trade down to the mid- to late teens and grab the best CB available, whether that be Cason or Flowers.

Plan C:  If the Bills fail to find a trading partner, they will take Harvey at 11, if Harvey is gone at 11, they will take Cason.  

Note:  of course, they very well could have either Harvey rated clearly above Cason or vice versa.  If that is the case, then Plan B just reverts to picking one or the other.  Of course, if it's Cason, I think they will entertain trade offers, because taking him at 11.  If it's Harvey, they will just take him at 11.

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Outstanding job John
You will make a fine lawyer.

And after all this time you at least somewhat kinda agree with me that Harvey is the best value, I guess I'll take what I can get.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 17, 2008 2:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Draft Board
Hello jri111, I have to disagree with some of your rankings on your board. I think that Devin Thomas is the 3rd rated WR on their board behind Kelly and Hardy. Thomas needs more wear on his tires to be rated above them. At CB, I think Flowers is rated above Cason. They want a CB that can cover, but can come up and stick you ala Antoine Winfield. If the CB from Wisconsin wasn't hurt he would be up there as well. I don't think Gholston is rated that high on their board either because he is more suited for a 3-4 defense where he would come in a be a stand up pass rusher whereas Harvey and Merling both play with their hand on the ground. I think the Bills will stay put at 11 and if Dorsey, Ellis or Harvey is there they will take them. If not, they are going to throw a curveball at us and take Branden Albert. Someone to anchor that other end of the line. I bet Ron from NM will like that.

by the Skycap on Apr 17, 2008 3:24 PM EDT   0 recs

Gholston
At 266 pounds Gholston would be the heaviest DE on the Bills roster.  He weighs 5 pounds less than Harvey and 23 pounds more than Schobel.  He played almost exlusively with his hand on the ground at OSU.  The only reason he is a candidate for OLB in a 3-4 is because of his elite athleticism.

by kaisertown on Apr 17, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Almost"
Cornelius Bennett rushed the passer with his hand on the ground also, but it didn't make him a DE.

by the Skycap on Apr 17, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bennett
Biscuit weighed 240 pounds.  Which is average for a LB.

Gholston's 266 pounds is very typical for a DE.  Gholston showed off his strength at the combine too by putting up 37 reps.  I realize Gholston would be a great fit as a standup pass rusher in a 3-4 defense.  Why can't he be a great fit in the 4-3 as well?  Even at 240 pounds I bet Bennett would have been an all-pro DE if a team had played him there.  What specifically makes Gholston unfit for the 4-3?

by kaisertown on Apr 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Question for you skycap
oops, I wrote skicap originally.

Anyways, what makes you believe Hardy would be #2 on their rankings?  I would think his character concerns are real enough to bump him down their list a bit. I also think he's going to struggle getting free at the line of scrimmage because of his height.  I do LOVE his red zone potential, but am not sold on his ability to be physical. He is not much of a threat over the middle, which is something I think our new WR needs to be...

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Siskel and Ebert
Kurupt, watch his highlights. The tape don't lie.

by the Skycap on Apr 17, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Skicap, Hardy Har Har
What character issues did he have. He had the one bout with his girlfriend.

by the Skycap on Apr 17, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well
He was arrested for hitting his baby mama AND his baby. That's kind of messed up if totally true.

He was also suspended for a couple of games in 2006.

He's supposedly matured, which I don't doubt, but there are red flags there that need to be addressed and completely investigated.  

I also just think he's going to struggle with physical CB's.  He'd probably light up zone D's and scrubs like the Dolphins...

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also think about future drafts
I would add a sixth point to the draft strategy that they consider what will be available in the future drafts.  I may be misinterpretting Tom Modrak, but where you highlighted There is consideration what you can pick up next time around and not be isolated, and ask, 'What's better for us now and what's better for us in a little while? I took that to mean what can we pick up in the next draft, not the next round.

So I took that to mean they have to weigh that in the next year or two the top pick the Bills have may be around 20-32, so if there is a top 10 player you want to draft in the next 3 years, maybe this is the year to do it.

So I took that as adding weight to the D-line and O-line positions. CB's and WR's and LB's and TE's can always be had in the 20's and up in the future, but maybe not top linemen.  It may not be the year you WANT to draft one, but it may be the only year TO draft one.

Not saying it should be a big factor, but I would add it as one more thing to consider.  Maybe we would rather draft a Harvey in 2 years, but in 2 years getting even a top 20 pick may be wishful thinking.

by south123 on Apr 17, 2008 3:52 PM EDT   0 recs

i did too...
i actually did too... and then i re-read it and thought, in context, he meant in later rounds....

i could be wrong though. but you're right you have to think about next year's draft.  

John I.

by jri111 on Apr 17, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You just convinced me!
i gotta say JR, I think this is correct... assuming 1-10 go by with no major surprises, this strategy makes alot of sense given Modrak previous comments about CB.

Nicely done!

by osmanBAE on Apr 17, 2008 6:42 PM EDT   0 recs

That was good John
And long. As in 2-3 poops long. Very nice.

You say that DE has the most talent and depth of the 3 positions in question. I disagree. CB has the most depth and talent, IMO.  Schobel is our only DE who would crack most rotations on other teams. Kelsay stinks, plain and simple, and is nothing more than a hardworker. Denney is an older version of that.  WR obvious has the lease talent and potential depth, but DE is right there with it. I'm amazed more people keep insisting our DE's have talent and ability after proving they don't for years.

I agree with your "Plans".  I'm not sold on McKelvin, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's our pick assuming he's available.  He would give us instant impact in the return game, though probably wouldn't help a whole lot right away defensively. I'm not convinced he's ready to step in and play a bunch, let alone start.

I really believe the Bills will look to trade down. If they don't want to take Harvey, someone will want to trade up for him, an OT or Mendenhall.  

However, if they want Harvey, they better hope he gets past Cincy.  I won't add much more on Harvey as my opinion has been beaten to death by myself.

I do think WR is a very viable option at #11.  If McKelvin is gone, I don't think another CB is worth the pick.  And if the Bills aren't interested in adding Harvey (dummies!) and can't trade down, what are they left with?  Devin Thomas would be a solid pick, though probably earlier than he should be picked.  It's still a very likely option for us though.  Plan D it is!

I'm shocked, literally giving off static energy....but you didn't include Kenny Phillips in your top 11....What gives?

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2008 7:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Domino effect
The retirement of McNair is going to create a domino effect in the draft. QB's are going to be going fast and furious.

by the Skycap on Apr 17, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree
If the Ravens were going to pass on a QB in order to stick with the walking dead, they were just asking for another terribly long season. McNair has been washed up for years and hasn't been healthy since who knows when.
~K

by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No domino effect
I think you will see Ryan fall to the Ravens at 8 and Gholston or C. Long will fall more than people think.

I want to take a CB at #11, but you can find cover-2 CB's a dime a dozen later in the draft.  WR is not worth the value.  Harvey makes so much sense if he checks out character-wise.  I'm officially in the "harvey" camp.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT   0 recs

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