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2008 Draft Class Top Heavy in D Talent


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For months, fans of the Buffalo Bills have deliberated about the top prospects available in this year's NFL Draft. The arguments have been intense and constructive (especially those in this community), and they've boiled down to two main arguments: the Buffalo Bills need a wide receiver and should take one with their top draft choice, or the Buffalo Bills need a wide receiver and shouldn't take one with their top draft choice.

With the draft just over a week away, the latter argument - that the Bills should wait to take a wide receiver - is quickly picking up support. Why? Well, the vast majority of this year's best prospects play defense. And the top draft prospects on the offensive side of the ball play positions that the Bills don't have a dire need at, namely quarterback, running back and offensive line.

The Top 32 31 Prospects
I recently put the finishing touches on a draft board plotting all of the draft prospects that received grades within the first three rounds from me. Of those 31 names, a whopping 18 of them play defense. Those names are (in no particular order):

CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB Mike Jenkins, CB Antoine Cason, CB Leodis McKelvin, CB Brandon Flowers, CB Aqib Talib, LB Jerod Mayo, LB Keith Rivers, DE Chris Long, DE Vernon Gholston, DE Phillip Merling, DE Derrick Harvey, DE Quentin Groves, DT Glenn Dorsey, DT Sedrick Ellis, DT Kentwan Balmer, DT Trevor Laws, LB Dan Connor

That leaves 13 offensive players with first-round grades from me. Of those 13, eleven of them play positions that are not widely considered to be Day One targets for the Bills. Those names:

OG Branden Albert, OT Jake Long, OT Ryan Clady, OT Chris Williams, OT Gosder Cherilus, RB Rashard Mendenhall, RB Darren McFadden, RB Jonathan Stewart, QB Brian Brohm, QB Matt Ryan, QB Joe Flacco

We've got two names left. WR Devin Thomas and TE Martellus Bennett both receive first-round grades from me. That's how thin the Bills' first-round options are - and I'm not talking strictly about #11, either.

The Same Old Argument Remains
Obviously, this information is completely subjective on my part, but it serves the purpose of putting a number to the idea that this defense's best prospects are defenders. Two offensive players got a first-round grade from me, and only Thomas should be given consideration at number eleven. So, once again, we're back into the same old argument:

Side One: With only one receiver getting a first-round grade, the Bills should instead draft a defender with their top pick, ensure they get the best value in the first round, and concentrate on their receiver problem in the second round (where, for your information, I have six receivers with Round Two grades).

Side Two: With only one receiver getting a first-round grade, the Bills should take that player with their top pick, ensuring they get the top player on their board at their biggest positional need. The draft has solid depth in round two at several defensive positions, so while it may not measure up in value with side one's argument, it has a chance to have a much bigger impact on the Bills' roster.

If you feel like making the same arguments you've made over and over, feel free. You know I'm a Side Two guy. I know which side most of y'all reside on as well. To be honest, I'm sick of making the same arguments. Let's just get this draft over with already. But I'm here to say right now - even though I'm still a proponent of drafting a WR in round one, there's no arguing that this is a draft class top-heavy with defensive talent.

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no same old arguement here
I think everyone already knows how I feel about taking a wide receiver in the 1st round. But in a different conversation I just want to get out there which non-receivers I would be happy about getting with the first pick so long as we used our 2nd to get Kelly or Nelson.

First, I think there is a real chance Leodis McKelvin falls to us at 11 now that Steve McNair has retired and the Ravens might seriously take Matt Ryan, thereby passing on McKelvin. I would definitely take a corner with his elite skills over any receiver that is there at 11.

Second, Albert is definitely intriguing to shore up the O-Line but then I would still want a WR in the second. While those two could make our offense instantly more effective it worries me that by Rd. 3 we'd be forced into choosing a TE at the expense of adding no impact players to the D.

Third, I would not mind trading down in the first or trading up to the late 1st and out of the second to try and get the Devin Thomas/Brandon Flowers combo in any order. I love Brandon Flowers and want to see this kid in a Bills jersey, our D could use his toughness and edge. If we pulled a move like Whitner/McCargo or Lynch/Poz to get Thomas/Flowers I would be very happy with the draft.

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 18, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At #11
Yes, we need a receiver, but....

with our defense, we don't have great playmakers at the linebacker and secondary positions.  They're good physical/containment players, mostly. Not exactly capable of forcing turnovers on their own, though. Especially, interceptions.

With our secondary, one would have to admit, that their greatest strengths are in tackling and heart.  That's not to say they can't make some plays.  

That being said, a first round corner, like McKelvin, Cason, Flowers, or DRC probably won't be the answer to an obviously better defense in the first round.  

Interceptions, sacks, and sack/fumbles are very huge plays against the offense.  These are all caused by pressure(not all interceptions, but for our defense, most).  In a cover two, we need pressure to force the offense into making quick, dangerous decisions.  

This is why we need a young talent, with pro training, to go in and knock the quarterback around.  If we can get a young player, like Harvey, to come in and produce a Terrell Suggs like rookie year, then we'll see a lot more production in the turnover department from our defense.

If the Bills do draft Harvey, he'll have to live up to the potential a first round receiver would.  A first round receiver(Thomas, Kelly, Sweed, Hardy) is going to have to prove he can move the chains and get into the endzone.  A first round end(Harvey, perhaps), would be expected to disrupt the offense with sacks, and by making plays.

The receiver depth is so obscured that no one will guarantee the first one off the board will be more productive than fifth, so on, and so forth. That's kind of unsettling, as far as first picks go.  The Bills scout for their favorite players, but so does the rest of the United States. If nobody likes a receiver for the first twenty-ish picks, team needs aside, that has to mean something...."There's no stallions in the WR stable."  Not any that are obvious, anyway.  Mostly, a group of similar quarterhorses. Take a quarterhorse in the second round.  

Maybe it means take Harvey, then a recieiver, then a CB/TE, then........

P.S. While Branden Albert looks very good, we just don't need another OL in the first round.  Our OL did well last year, besides the run blocking at center.

 

by jj24 on Apr 18, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My General Thought
I'm glad this thread is regarding what the Bills should do (exciting possibilities) rather than what the Bills will do (depressing possibilities).

I wouldn't say that I am necessarily in Side One or Side Two.  Either one or both of them are too limited.

I've made several arguments to this point.  I don't intend to repeat them...yet.

Of all my draft comments, to me, there is one general prevailing thought that sticks out the most:

When you have the opportunity to get a special or a rare player, I think you should pull the trigger.  You may never get the chance again.  Good players are good, but they are also more common.  You can always get good players next round or next year.  It really shouldn't just be about 2008.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hows the weather?
Hey Ft. Worth, you holding up alright? The news is talking about golf ball sized hail and tornadoes in Ft. Worth today.
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 18, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good, actually.
Thanks for asking.  Right now, I am in Arlington (just east of Fort Worth).  It's sunny, no precipitation, and in the 60's.  Forecast is clear/sunny and in the 70's over the weekend.

There was a minor storm last night, though.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

glad to hear it
good to hear alls well and that your safe. enjoy the weather in Arlington pal.
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 18, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks! Will do.
How about you?  Where you at?
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also out of town for the weekend
left the city of DC for a weekend with some pals in Boston. The weather is beautiful and can't complain.
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 18, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy!
Out here, besides the weather, I am exposed to infinite Dallas Cowboys garbage (no surprise).  I can't imagine the Redskins fans in DC being much worse.
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Side note to Fort..
I give you props on being a Bills fan down there; you must take a beating at times.  I lived in the 'Burgh for five years; it wasn't easy on Sundays...

by krytime on Apr 18, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the props
52-17.

30-13.

I never hear the end of it.  That MNF game didn't do much to help matters.  Past and present, I hate the Cowboys more than I hate the Patriots.

Pittsburgh you say?  Any horror stories?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pittsburgh it was...
Actually, the football folk down there were good to me, although not at first.  We had a deal - you be kind to my Bills, and I'll be kind to your Stillers.  My last game there (moved back to Buf the day of STL V NE) was the NE game in 2002.

They are good football fans in western PA.  Arrogant, but I guess you can be with five rings.

by krytime on Apr 18, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rare Talent
Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Sedrick Ellis, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Branden Albert, Leodis McKelvin, Ryan Clady, Darren McFadden
How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bills Draft
After careful consideration I am changing my opinion on the Bills draft this year. I think they believe that no WR is worth taking with the 11th pick - no revelation there. I think most teams feel the same and they will wait until round 2 for their WR. At the very worst scenario they end up with Jordy Nelson or trade back up to get Thomas (they do have a history of doing that).

In the first round they do not take a CB like most people think. They are relatively happy with their CBs. Jabari Greer is an up and coming CB. McGee is good and Youboty has potential.

The problems in the Bills secondary last year were due to 2 reasons:

  1. multiple injuries and rarely going two weeks in a row with the same four starters - it is remarkable they did as well as they did.
  2. lack of a pass rush - due to injuries to Denney and Kelsay teams were able to concentrate on Schobel.
Even though Denney and Kelsay are supposed to be healthy this year, an upgrade is needed. I say the Bills hold onto their pick and take Derrick Harvey instead of a CB or WR. Then a WR and TE in rounds 2 and 3. CB waits until round 4 or later - again, I don't think they are displeased with what they have. I would also love to see them get the WV FB in Schmitt Round 4 or 5.

by bobb498 on Apr 18, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent
I agree with you to an extent Bobb that the poor corner play was due in large part to the lack of a pass rush and I do like Greer, McGee and Youboty's potential. However, this is why I would like to see Brandon Flowers or Antoine Cason nabbed in the second or by trading up into the late first if necessary. Even with a great pass rush I still see McGee, Greer, and Youboty all as excellent or potential to be excellent #2 corners. While normally I would not mind going into a season without a natural #1 corner I just see so much talent at corner in this year's draft that a CB that would normally go in the top 15 any other year will go in the later 1st or even 2nd.

With so much talent that we can get later than usual this year I would just like to see the Bills get in there and get one. As Brian mentioned in the post there are at least 6 or 7 round 1 CB talents in this years draft meaning 1 to 3 of them will likely go later than they would any other year. I like you, would love to see the Bills get Schmitt in the 4th, so if we go Harvey at pick 1 doesn't that mean no corner until round 5? Who would be available then? Sorry for the long response I'm just so torn between the talent at CB in the draft and the need to add some energy to our aging, and aside from Aaron, mediocre DEs. Can the DE pool really be that bad after Harvey and Merling that there are no project DEs who can learn from the bench? Our ends do have at least two years left in the tank and I don't think Harvey would unseat Kelsay this year anyway.

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 18, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.
How does anyone feel about trading entirely out of the first round?  

by krytime on Apr 18, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ONLY if...
we could get Cason AND a WR like Kelly/Hardy/Sweed.  Since this is highly unlikely-I think we're staying put in the 1st round.

Besides-if Detroit wants Mendenhall as bad as people believe AND if they think that the Bears will likely pick him at 14 (one spot ahead of them), then I say they'll trade up w/ us.  For that we'll at LEAST get a 3rd rounder, but they may want him so bad they'll give us their 2nd round pick.

Guess we'll see in a little over a week.  God Bless All!

by BBFan4Life on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about
I've told krytime before I too wouldn't mind getting out of the first. What do you think about leaving the first or late into it and possibly getting CB Flowers and WR Kelly BBFan?
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 18, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor character
Flowers is a unique talent that's for sure-the problem is he isn't the type of "character guy" the Bills look for.

On his myspace site he had money strewn about his floor mostly in $20's but there were a considerable amount of $100 and $50 bills as well.  Where does a college kid get that kind of money?

Moreover, he's short and lacks blazing speed.  Does he make plays?  Yes, especially in zone coverage.  But the Bills are looking for size at CB and someone with GREAT character-someone like Antoine Cason from Arizona who set up a charity in college to aid in cancer research.

by BBFan4Life on Apr 19, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My two cents....
I would love to not even pick in the 1st round.

I will eat crow though because I may not have posted much, but I was wild over the idea of Kelly at 11 before his proday.

Now, I think it is best for the bills to trade down or out of round 1. I think almost all of us fans agree on that.

I think take best available in round 1. Albert, McKelvin, Harvey. Albert could upgrade our line and prepare us for the departure of M.Fowler with some line shuffling. I like B. Bulter to center.
McKelvin, to be honest I heard this guy on Sirius radio it he reminds me of Willis "ME"Gahee, but not as monotone of a speaker. I would prefer a trade down for a different corner because our Defense can use elite talent, but doesnt maximize it at the CB position.  Harvey.....I dont know what to really think about him.  The highlight reels just dont impress me. We dumped 75mil in DE last yr and he would add good youth and depth but wouldnt see production from him until yr 3 or back up snaps due to a Denney being cut with his presence.

I do believe the bills wont be able to trade down at 11 unless M. Ryan is there....so I would draft Best Available regardless of position.  I would explore trading up for the WR they have targeted or sit tight at 41 and take J. Nelson.  Listen to Modraks comments how he states Nelson will have to learn to convert to an outside WR at the pro level.  It makes me think the bills are high on him.

Would you rather win one superbowl or Lose four in a row? Which defines your teams place in history more ... 1yr wonder or Perennially 2nd best?

by Rudy916 on Apr 18, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crow?
I'm not sure that you need to eat any crow over really liking Kelly at #11 before his poor performance (speed and attitude) earlier this month. You were going with the information you had at the time. Given that Kelly's workout didn't have any effect on his standing on the Bills' draft board it's a good bet that they had an idea that he wasn't going to run a 4.4.

I'm not sure why you think that the Bills won't be able to trade down. I can see several teams looking to move up to get either Mendenhall or one of the offensive linemen (there could be a run on them after Buffalo picks). Detroit can move up for a 3rd, leaving them with Harvey, Mendenhall or the third or fourth offensive lineman off the board and still their 2nd round pick. Why wouldn't Detroit want to make that trade? Now whether Buffalo would make it depends entirely on how badly they want a guy like Albert, McKelvin or Harvey.

by Ron From NM on Apr 18, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you and I are in agreement
Ron I think we agree on the fact that our best chance to trade down would be baiting one of the teams before the OLine run or if Rivers fell. The question then becomes, who is our most likely option for the trade and what do we do then in Rds 1 thru 4?
It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 18, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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