2008 Draft Class Top Heavy in D Talent
For months, fans of the Buffalo Bills have deliberated about the top prospects available in this year's NFL Draft. The arguments have been intense and constructive (especially those in this community), and they've boiled down to two main arguments: the Buffalo Bills need a wide receiver and should take one with their top draft choice, or the Buffalo Bills need a wide receiver and shouldn't take one with their top draft choice.
With the draft just over a week away, the latter argument - that the Bills should wait to take a wide receiver - is quickly picking up support. Why? Well, the vast majority of this year's best prospects play defense. And the top draft prospects on the offensive side of the ball play positions that the Bills don't have a dire need at, namely quarterback, running back and offensive line.
The Top 32 31 Prospects
I recently put the finishing touches on a draft board plotting all of the draft prospects that received grades within the first three rounds from me. Of those 31 names, a whopping 18 of them play defense. Those names are (in no particular order):
That leaves 13 offensive players with first-round grades from me. Of those 13, eleven of them play positions that are not widely considered to be Day One targets for the Bills. Those names:
We've got two names left. WR Devin Thomas and TE Martellus Bennett both receive first-round grades from me. That's how thin the Bills' first-round options are - and I'm not talking strictly about #11, either.
The Same Old Argument Remains
Obviously, this information is completely subjective on my part, but it serves the purpose of putting a number to the idea that this defense's best prospects are defenders. Two offensive players got a first-round grade from me, and only Thomas should be given consideration at number eleven. So, once again, we're back into the same old argument:
Side One: With only one receiver getting a first-round grade, the Bills should instead draft a defender with their top pick, ensure they get the best value in the first round, and concentrate on their receiver problem in the second round (where, for your information, I have six receivers with Round Two grades).
Side Two: With only one receiver getting a first-round grade, the Bills should take that player with their top pick, ensuring they get the top player on their board at their biggest positional need. The draft has solid depth in round two at several defensive positions, so while it may not measure up in value with side one's argument, it has a chance to have a much bigger impact on the Bills' roster.
If you feel like making the same arguments you've made over and over, feel free. You know I'm a Side Two guy. I know which side most of y'all reside on as well. To be honest, I'm sick of making the same arguments. Let's just get this draft over with already. But I'm here to say right now - even though I'm still a proponent of drafting a WR in round one, there's no arguing that this is a draft class top-heavy with defensive talent.
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no same old arguement here
First, I think there is a real chance Leodis McKelvin falls to us at 11 now that Steve McNair has retired and the Ravens might seriously take Matt Ryan, thereby passing on McKelvin. I would definitely take a corner with his elite skills over any receiver that is there at 11.
Second, Albert is definitely intriguing to shore up the O-Line but then I would still want a WR in the second. While those two could make our offense instantly more effective it worries me that by Rd. 3 we'd be forced into choosing a TE at the expense of adding no impact players to the D.
Third, I would not mind trading down in the first or trading up to the late 1st and out of the second to try and get the Devin Thomas/Brandon Flowers combo in any order. I love Brandon Flowers and want to see this kid in a Bills jersey, our D could use his toughness and edge. If we pulled a move like Whitner/McCargo or Lynch/Poz to get Thomas/Flowers I would be very happy with the draft.
by poz on Apr 18, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At #11
with our defense, we don't have great playmakers at the linebacker and secondary positions. They're good physical/containment players, mostly. Not exactly capable of forcing turnovers on their own, though. Especially, interceptions.
With our secondary, one would have to admit, that their greatest strengths are in tackling and heart. That's not to say they can't make some plays.
That being said, a first round corner, like McKelvin, Cason, Flowers, or DRC probably won't be the answer to an obviously better defense in the first round.
Interceptions, sacks, and sack/fumbles are very huge plays against the offense. These are all caused by pressure(not all interceptions, but for our defense, most). In a cover two, we need pressure to force the offense into making quick, dangerous decisions.
This is why we need a young talent, with pro training, to go in and knock the quarterback around. If we can get a young player, like Harvey, to come in and produce a Terrell Suggs like rookie year, then we'll see a lot more production in the turnover department from our defense.
If the Bills do draft Harvey, he'll have to live up to the potential a first round receiver would. A first round receiver(Thomas, Kelly, Sweed, Hardy) is going to have to prove he can move the chains and get into the endzone. A first round end(Harvey, perhaps), would be expected to disrupt the offense with sacks, and by making plays.
The receiver depth is so obscured that no one will guarantee the first one off the board will be more productive than fifth, so on, and so forth. That's kind of unsettling, as far as first picks go. The Bills scout for their favorite players, but so does the rest of the United States. If nobody likes a receiver for the first twenty-ish picks, team needs aside, that has to mean something...."There's no stallions in the WR stable." Not any that are obvious, anyway. Mostly, a group of similar quarterhorses. Take a quarterhorse in the second round.
Maybe it means take Harvey, then a recieiver, then a CB/TE, then........
P.S. While Branden Albert looks very good, we just don't need another OL in the first round. Our OL did well last year, besides the run blocking at center.
by jj24 on Apr 18, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My General Thought
I wouldn't say that I am necessarily in Side One or Side Two. Either one or both of them are too limited.
I've made several arguments to this point. I don't intend to repeat them...yet.
Of all my draft comments, to me, there is one general prevailing thought that sticks out the most:
When you have the opportunity to get a special or a rare player, I think you should pull the trigger. You may never get the chance again. Good players are good, but they are also more common. You can always get good players next round or next year. It really shouldn't just be about 2008.
by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hows the weather?
by poz on Apr 18, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good, actually.
There was a minor storm last night, though.
by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad to hear it
by poz on Apr 18, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks! Will do.
by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also out of town for the weekend
by poz on Apr 18, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy!
by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side note to Fort..
by krytime on Apr 18, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the props
30-13.
I never hear the end of it. That MNF game didn't do much to help matters. Past and present, I hate the Cowboys more than I hate the Patriots.
Pittsburgh you say? Any horror stories?
by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh it was...
They are good football fans in western PA. Arrogant, but I guess you can be with five rings.
by krytime on Apr 18, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rare Talent
by Fort Worth on Apr 18, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills Draft
In the first round they do not take a CB like most people think. They are relatively happy with their CBs. Jabari Greer is an up and coming CB. McGee is good and Youboty has potential.
The problems in the Bills secondary last year were due to 2 reasons:
- multiple injuries and rarely going two weeks in a row with the same four starters - it is remarkable they did as well as they did.
- lack of a pass rush - due to injuries to Denney and Kelsay teams were able to concentrate on Schobel.
by bobb498 on Apr 18, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree to an extent
With so much talent that we can get later than usual this year I would just like to see the Bills get in there and get one. As Brian mentioned in the post there are at least 6 or 7 round 1 CB talents in this years draft meaning 1 to 3 of them will likely go later than they would any other year. I like you, would love to see the Bills get Schmitt in the 4th, so if we go Harvey at pick 1 doesn't that mean no corner until round 5? Who would be available then? Sorry for the long response I'm just so torn between the talent at CB in the draft and the need to add some energy to our aging, and aside from Aaron, mediocre DEs. Can the DE pool really be that bad after Harvey and Merling that there are no project DEs who can learn from the bench? Our ends do have at least two years left in the tank and I don't think Harvey would unseat Kelsay this year anyway.
by poz on Apr 18, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
by krytime on Apr 18, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ONLY if...
Besides-if Detroit wants Mendenhall as bad as people believe AND if they think that the Bears will likely pick him at 14 (one spot ahead of them), then I say they'll trade up w/ us. For that we'll at LEAST get a 3rd rounder, but they may want him so bad they'll give us their 2nd round pick.
Guess we'll see in a little over a week. God Bless All!
by BBFan4Life on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about
by poz on Apr 18, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor character
On his myspace site he had money strewn about his floor mostly in $20's but there were a considerable amount of $100 and $50 bills as well. Where does a college kid get that kind of money?
Moreover, he's short and lacks blazing speed. Does he make plays? Yes, especially in zone coverage. But the Bills are looking for size at CB and someone with GREAT character-someone like Antoine Cason from Arizona who set up a charity in college to aid in cancer research.
by BBFan4Life on Apr 19, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents....
I will eat crow though because I may not have posted much, but I was wild over the idea of Kelly at 11 before his proday.
Now, I think it is best for the bills to trade down or out of round 1. I think almost all of us fans agree on that.
I think take best available in round 1. Albert, McKelvin, Harvey. Albert could upgrade our line and prepare us for the departure of M.Fowler with some line shuffling. I like B. Bulter to center.
McKelvin, to be honest I heard this guy on Sirius radio it he reminds me of Willis "ME"Gahee, but not as monotone of a speaker. I would prefer a trade down for a different corner because our Defense can use elite talent, but doesnt maximize it at the CB position. Harvey.....I dont know what to really think about him. The highlight reels just dont impress me. We dumped 75mil in DE last yr and he would add good youth and depth but wouldnt see production from him until yr 3 or back up snaps due to a Denney being cut with his presence.
I do believe the bills wont be able to trade down at 11 unless M. Ryan is there....so I would draft Best Available regardless of position. I would explore trading up for the WR they have targeted or sit tight at 41 and take J. Nelson. Listen to Modraks comments how he states Nelson will have to learn to convert to an outside WR at the pro level. It makes me think the bills are high on him.
by Rudy916 on Apr 18, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crow?
I'm not sure why you think that the Bills won't be able to trade down. I can see several teams looking to move up to get either Mendenhall or one of the offensive linemen (there could be a run on them after Buffalo picks). Detroit can move up for a 3rd, leaving them with Harvey, Mendenhall or the third or fourth offensive lineman off the board and still their 2nd round pick. Why wouldn't Detroit want to make that trade? Now whether Buffalo would make it depends entirely on how badly they want a guy like Albert, McKelvin or Harvey.
by Ron From NM on Apr 18, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you and I are in agreement
by poz on Apr 18, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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