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Conflicting Reports on Potential Losman Trade


Losman's future may be decided over draft weekend (BuffaloBills.com)

Earlier this week, reports surfaced that the Buffalo Bills had made the decision to keep quarterback J.P. Losman, who earlier this off-season had requested a trade out of Buffalo after losing his starting job to rookie Trent Edwards. The reports were based on COO Russ Brandon's comments at the team's annual pre-draft luncheon; it is now becoming clear that while these reports were not erroneous, they may have been misled.

Mid-to-late April is routinely a time in which NFL executives league-wide are keeping team news very close to the vest. Interviews this time of the year are generally canned responses, incredibly generic overviews of the draft process, and not-so-veiled attempts at avoiding questions. Brandon's short answer, in which he merely stated that Losman was still a part of this Bills franchise, may have been an example of these truthful-escape answers typical of this time of year.

Pro Football Weekly is now reporting that they've heard whispers that Losman is still available via trade, likely with a third or fourth round pick as the asking price, and the team would still like to move the signal-caller over draft weekend. Whether or not that happens is another question entirely, but it seems likely at this point that if the Bills get a fair offer for Losman's services, they'll honor his trade request. I don't expect that offer to come, but if it does, it wouldn't be shocking at all to see the Bills pull the trigger.

People... Russ Brandon Isn't Picking.
I've been bothered this week by reports such as this, discussing the meaning of Russ Brandon's first draft after his big promotion. Yes, Brandon's role of COO means that he'll have a much more prominent role in this year's draft process. But in Buffalo, that means very little.

The "consensus" style that the Bills' front office has employed for the last two years has been discussed so often that it's almost cliche at this point. But Brandon's opinion - again, valued more highly than in past seasons - is only one of dozens that will be sought in the team's war room next weekend. Every Bills coach will have input, and as we discussed last week, the final decisions will be made by VP of College Scouting Tom Modrak and head coach Dick Jauron.

I'm as curious to see what happens with this franchise with Brandon in charge as well. But that scope does not reach far enough into pro and college personnel matters to pin the success or failure of this team's on-field performance on Brandon. He's an orchestrator, not a decision-maker. So keep that in mind before you start to rip Brandon, as will inevitably happen over the next year. He's not as involved as local media make him seem to be, though he is involved to an extent.

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Losman
Not sure what team would trade for him as a starter. And as a backup, who would value him more then Buffalo. We have a starting QB who has been injured each and every year since High School, and Losman for all his faults does know the system and has a great connection with our #1 WR (and had more success with our #1 RB).

Who gets more value out of him then Buffalo?

by Thronsen on Apr 19, 2008 9:33 AM EDT   0 recs

"more success with number one RB"
That is a ridiculous statement. Reading that post a week or so ago, about how Losman somehow hands the ball off better is absolute bull.
I like him as a backup too, but don't spew this type of thing out there, which holds no water.
The Bills can win every game

by killascript on Apr 19, 2008 9:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hi
Hi there-

I read your comments in that thread. Im pretty sure I addressed your points, aside of course from your unneccessary flames.

ML had a higher Yards per Carry with JP then with TE.

JP+ML had a better record then TE+ML.

Does it mean that JP+ML IS OMG BETTER then TE+ML at OMG 99.9% significance level. Lol no of course not. Like with many things in a season or less of football, the sample size is pretty small. But it is an interesting stat, it fits in with TE's known problems as a checkdown passer, and I think you would have alot of trouble arguing the opposite.

by Thronsen on Apr 19, 2008 10:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Losman and Lynch
I think Lynch Had a better Yards per carry average with J.P. because teams had to respect the deep ball with him back there

by The Buffalonian on Apr 19, 2008 11:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just unsure
If we moved Losman, then who is our back up?
Edwards I am fine with, but I like JP, and drank his kool-aid before last season and did have to come to the realization that he is not of starting caliber during the preseason last year, but he is a more than capable back up for the Bills.
I think he would be comfortable here for his last season if there were no offers and it may relax him since he can walk at the end of the season and start over.
The Bills can win every game

by killascript on Apr 19, 2008 9:36 AM EDT   0 recs

Okay. How about an evaluation of Brandon/Modrak?
Got it, Brian. Losman is still on the block, although he seems to be handling his status as designated clipboard-holder professionally. (Who else would provide better backup, anyway?).

Okay, so Brandon has some input but he's not Bill Parcells when it comes to draft decisions. Notwithstanding that other sources seem to think he is now solely in charge, that's not too suprising. His experience is on the business side.

My question regards a deeper analysis of the front office. Has anybody in football done an in-depth critique of Brandon and Modrak? Modrak, at least, has been around long enough to have a track record. They've each undoubtedly tipped their hands a bit as a far as their tendencies towards how to select and handle Bills players.

How do Russ Brandon and Tom Modrak stack up so far? Still a work in progress?

by garymallow2004 on Apr 19, 2008 9:44 AM EDT   0 recs

My only concern
I have no problem trading Losman. He is all but gone after next year, and if the Bills can get an extra draft pick in one of the deepest drafts in a long time, as opposed to letting him walk away and get nothing for him, I say go for it.

My only concern is who will come into play when Edwards gets hurt. Notice I said "when" not "if". Edwards hasn't played a full healthy season EVER.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 19, 2008 9:48 AM EDT   0 recs

Same concerns here...
But, I still think he's gotta go.  If no one league wide wants him for something as little as a 3rd/4th rounder, what is he really worth?

Culpepper?  Leftwhich?  Rattay?  Tim Hasselbeck?  Yuch.  Looks like we're stuck with Mr. Hamdan...

Off the subject here, but it makes you really question the NFL's decision not to have a developmental, or minor league.

by krytime on Apr 19, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah
Edwards was a four year starter at Stanford and managed to get hurt his freshman, sophomore and senior seasons.  He did make it through his junior year without missing any games.  I also heard he had an impressive consecutive games streak going in pop warner.  I am going to assume Edwards can't make it through an entire season until he proves me wrong.

by kaisertown on Apr 19, 2008 12:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, but Rob Royal isn't laughing anymore.
True, sireic, but Rob Royal saw Edwards with his shirt off at the first OTA and he reportedly isn't laughing at his physique anymore... 10 pounds of added muscle has to be worth something...

by garymallow2004 on Apr 19, 2008 10:06 AM EDT   0 recs

Its all about value...
Losman is a great back up......

I was pro-losman leading up to the 2003 draft.  I was still in the same thinking up until the Jax game in 07.  He is a down field passer that cannot get through is progressions fast enough to be effecient in the short passing game. But the play calling last year was so conservative it favored TE. My only beef with Losman is every great QB should be able to adapt his game to the gameplan (short conservative vs. downfield bombs).  Against Jax he tried with all the dump off passes, but threw an INT when he needed to make a play.  Therefore I think we need to keep him as a back up because he can play decent football, and the value we get in return leaves us very weak at QB if TE gets hurt.

Would you rather win one superbowl or Lose four in a row? Which defines your teams place in history more ... 1yr wonder or Perennially 2nd best?

by Rudy916 on Apr 19, 2008 11:11 AM EDT   0 recs

final say
So Modrak & Jauron have final say?  I think ultimately it is one Ralph C. Wilson.  You can pretend that he just lets Modrak/Jauron/Brandon ultimately pull the trigger but the buck stops somewhere and I'm pretty sure it is with the man who is writing the checks not Modrak/Jauron.  And they may say how it is an organization of opinions but there are many arguments I'm sure in the draft room, and someone has to have final say.  
MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 19, 2008 1:26 PM EDT   0 recs

re:
I take that back.  Now that I re-read Geronmio's post.  I guess the point I was trying to make is if Wilson was in love with a certain guy I'm sure that would weigh heavily on Modrak/Jauron.
MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 19, 2008 1:51 PM EDT   0 recs

JP
If all we can get for him is a 4th or 5th round pick, we have to keep him. I would argue that he is much more valuable to us this year than a 4th or 5th. If that is all another team is willing to give for him, what will his market value be next year? Not much. We just might be able to keep him. He should make a very capable #2 QB.

I also agree that the ultra-conservative play calling last year did not help JP in the least.

by keuka121 on Apr 19, 2008 8:13 PM EDT   0 recs

You ready for this?
I hope you guys are ready for when Edwards goes down early in the season due to injury or poor play and Losman comes in and starts winning games for us.  JP is a competitor and still wants to start in this league.  I bet he comes into the season thinking that he can.  At the very least he's thinking that if he gets some serious playing time this season, it will be like a dress rehearsal for his next gig.  JP will be ready if he gets the chance and that's why we can't trade him.  We're in a bad situation.  We're not going to get anything significant for him, but he's definitely the best backup plan for the upcoming season.

I'm not trying to start any QB controversy talk here because I'm sure first and foremost that everyone is just hoping that Edwards performs decent and we can just keep it in the back of our minds.  Also, it probably makes everyone have a very bad feeling in their stomach.  I just want everyone to be open to the possibility that Edwards will probably go down this season for one reason or the other because of his lousy track record and that JP is more than capable of playing well.  We'll see what happens.  Nothing goes according to plan (Patriots = 18-1*).

by Scotty P on Apr 21, 2008 6:35 PM EDT   0 recs

Losman's value
Every team needs a super backup at the QB position; more so with the Bills considering Edwards' past record.  I don't doubt that Losman is most valued by the Bills out of all of NFL. So he is more valuable to the Bills than a 4th round pick.   However, I look at this from another angle, if Losman is smart he'll play as hard as he can to help the team and help put his stock up, but if he starts whining and open his mouth too much, then that can be cancerous to the clubhouse.  The last thing we need is another QB controversy.  If Losman is going to cause distraction to the team, I'd trade him immediately and get a veteran QB backup instead.
Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on Apr 22, 2008 11:18 AM EDT   0 recs

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