Do we need a receiver with the first 3 picks?

by De-fense on Apr 21, 2008 8:37 PM EDT Comment 21 comments

NO.
1 - DE Harvey

2 - CB Flowers

3 - TE Bennett

4- WR Jordy Nelson

I don't care if we have to trade up to make this happen, but to me, defense wins championships, and we need our best on the defense.
As well, I like our WRs, IF, there was a top tier TE underneath to catch alot of passes. Double teams of Lee Evans will stop quick when Bennett is catching 8 - 10 passes.
ALSO, if anyone finds this possible, what are the WRs late in the draft that people might be missing. Does these leave us out of the running for Jordy Nelson? And if we got all four, in day one, tell me your not happy.

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Jordy Nelson wouldn't be there

No way Jordy Nelson is around for our 4th pick even if we trade up. I'm starting to get the feeling that there are even some teams who have Nelson higher on their draft boards than Kelly. I don't think thats correct but I'm sure some teams do. He'll be gone no later than the late 2nd- early 3rd.

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 21, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions

Who?

Who could we pick then?

Just trying to stir the brain trust out there and see what we can do that hasn't been spoke of yet.

You can never have too many corners or ends.

by De-fense on Apr 21, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

err...

to tell you the truth if we don't get a wideout by rds 1 or 2 we'll end up finding ourselves with options we don't like. With our 4th pick I'd say we're in Lavelle Hawkins and Eddie Royal range, not the guys you want to help out our offense. Adarius Bowman is probably the only receiver I'd take after round 3 and thats only because he'll be a steal in rd 5 or 6 or however far this kid will fall.

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 21, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting comments

After reading the comments by the Bills scouts, I could see Adarius Bowman being there for the Bills in the 4th. He is as big as Malcolm Kelly and was more productive in college. The thing with the marijuana may be an issue, but his coaches loved him and his work ethic as well.

by the Skycap on Apr 21, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Bowman in the 4th??

NO WAY! I wouldn't touch that guy. Maybe in the 6th, but definitely not earlier. He ran even slower than Kelly at the combine and his pro day, though he was probably stoned at the time. And he's proven he's a pretty big dip.... Getting caught with weed in the month of the draft is just plain idiotic. There's no way he goes any higher than the 6th because of his terrible times and questionable character.

by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Bowman

K - couldn't agree more with this statement:

"Getting caught with weed in the month of the draft is just plain idiotic."

by krytime on Apr 21, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Jordy Nelson Bills Target?

Last week on Sirius NFL Gil Brandt said he spoke with a specific team that was targeting Jordy Nelson. Sounds likely it would be OBD.

Given our possible inability in Rd 1 to move down and misgivings on Kelly/Sweed and Hardy - Bills board may be Harvey/Mckelvin at 11 and Nelson at 41.

by freddyjj on Apr 22, 2008 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Bennett

will not be there in the third and Nelson will not be there in the fourth. Nelson may very well go in the 2nd. Bennett will surely go in the second. I'm liking Cason more. Good SIZE in addition to his other good qualities.

by keuka121 on Apr 21, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions

Overvaluing Bennett

I think you are making a little too strong a statement. Bennett is at best the 3rd TE in the class, maybe lower. Second round TE would be Keller and Davis. Bennett is on the level of Carlson, Kellen Davis, and possibly Cottham. Bennett, if he goes in round 2, is a late round 2 at best. He is probably a 3 round guy

by mcgrathp on Apr 22, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions

Undervaluing Bennett

I think you may be undervaluing him. Bennett is a second-round pick, and if he slides to the third round, I'd be absolute floored.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

I agree

top three TE, maybe even the first off the board. (depending on who's opinion you are getting)

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 22, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Less depth at DE

Fact is, we have less depth at DE than we do at CB

Therefore, with a Defense-ive mind, I like Harvey first, but then, in this case, after hearing some of you chime in, we would have to swap WR with corner, taking a WR second and then a TE and then a CB. That with the thinking that the best TEs (I like Bennett and then the Notre Dame product next) will be gone by the 3rd or 4th...
Who could we pick up sa a steal CB in the 4th round or so?

You can never have too many corners or ends.

by De-fense on Apr 21, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions

YES

If we don't, we're not making the right decisions.
I would not mind Harvey at 11, as I am beginning to like it more and more, but after that, I want WR then TE.
I would like it even better to jump back into the first for Kelly, Sweed, or Thomas if necessary. However, I think Bills could very easily go...

1 Harvey
2 Kelly
3 Bennett

After that, best players available with CB, WR(2), C, FB tops on the list.

The Bills can win every game

by killascript on Apr 21, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions

Trading

I'm curious as to how people think Buffalo can take a player at #11, trade back into the first round and then pick a player in the 3rd. Trading back into the first round will cost a 2nd and a 3rd, making it impossible for Buffalo to pick someone in the 3rd.

The Bills need a starting WR and starting TE which all but requires them to be picked early for those respective positions. The run on WRs should begin right around pick#19. The TEs should begin to come off the board at the end of the first. If Buffalo wants to have a choice at WR the team needs a WR in the first round--either at #11 or trading back to the high teens/early twenties. Likewise, if Buffalo wants to have a choice at TE the team needs to pick a TE in the second--possibly giving up the 4th round pick to move up a bit if necessary.

If the Bills take a defender at #11 I see basically two options. Door#1 has the Bills taking the best remaining WR(4th or 5th off the board at best) in the second round and the best remaining TE (4th or 5th off the board at best) in the third round. Great. The team gets the 3rd DE or 2nd CB off the board and second or third tier guys at WR and TE. This gets the Bills a defender who may or may not be able to displace one of the starters, as well as a WR and a TE of questionable quality. Door#2 has the Bills taking the best remaining TE (2nd or 3rd off the board at worst) in the second round and the best remaining WR (6th or 7th off the board at best) in the third round. I guess this is a little better. The Bills still get the 3rd DE or 2nd CB off the board, a WR who will aspire to rival Josh Reed and Peerless Price, and a TE who should be able to displace Royal. This gets the Bills a defender who may or may not be able to displace one of the starters, a TE who should be a starter and a WR of questionable quality.

If, however, the Bills take a WR at #11 or trade back into round one then one of the three big WRs will be on the board. He should be able to displace Reed in short (Height puns from a short guy!) order. The Bills can then take the second or third TE off the board in the second. At the very least he should almost immediately be able to ensure that Royal never has to run more than 10 yards downfield. Then in the 3rd the Bills can pick the best available defender, who will likely be the 6th or 7th (or beyond) taken off the board at his position. This track gets the Bills two offensive starters and a defender of questionable quality.

by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions

Ron, love your way of thinking

Btw, whats your take on Jordy Nelson?

I think if the Bills seem content with the TEs they have right now, and from the rumors and info given out by the team, I think they may be, what would you think if the Bills bagged Kelly late in the first after a trade down, then bag Nelson with their 2nd rounder? Would this be a solid move in your mind?

I think a Kelly/Nelson combo platter would shove Parrish down to the 4th WR and get Reed cut from the team most likely. Both are good size targets, Nelson can return kicks and punts, and goes over the middle. I think those two would be a very good pairing for Trent to throw too, he could even ignore the TEs and just check it down to Marshawn or Freddie in the flat.

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Apr 22, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Either way....

the bills simply HAVE to grab a reciever in rounds 1 or 2. I still really hope we can strike a deal to move down some, but in reality I know this is tough to do. Mark my words though the bills are very high on one Limus Sweed. Just a gut feeling from someone (like all of us) who bleeds red and blue.

by Lance in Germany on Apr 22, 2008 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions

On Particular players

I'm not overly devoted to any one player at any given position. The general consensus is that 4 receivers (Thomas, Sweed, Kelly, Jackson) make up the top tier of WRs in this draft (which says nothing of how this crop of WRs compares to other drafts) and that all but Jackson would more or less fit the Bills' need. I don't watch enough college football to have a good sense of the differences between them, other than what is available online. (I like Sweed but I'm a UT alum.) Also, they each were on very different teams and faced very different levels of competition due to the feast or famine nature of college football team talent levels. The Bills, however, have the WRs rated in some order. My point is that if they want a shot at one of the top 3 WRs on their board they can't wait until round two. Whether they pick at #11 or trade down to the late teens or early twenties waiting simply means the team will be down to their 5th or 6th WR on their board when they finally pick one. The same is true at TE. If Buffalo wants a crack at one of the top 3 TEs on their board they've got to get him in the second.

Picking up WRs in the first two rounds would address the WR position. However, it wouldn't at all address the TE slot. For an offense to be effective all of the potential receivers have to be credible threats. To my mind the Bills have more options with Evans, tope 3 WR draftee, top 3 TE draftee, Lynch, and a top 3 pass catching FB on the field than with Evans, WR draftee, second or third tier WR draftee, third tier (or beyond) TE draftee, and Lynch. With the WR/TE draft Reed would likely be the #4 receiver as Parrish is more of a threat in the slot. (Have you ever seen Reed 20 yards past the defense like Parrish got against the Lions?) Either way, Buffalo will be short one consistent credible threat (third WR or TE). With the WR/TE draft the weakest link on the field would be Parrish, who isn't bad--and could be terrific if the Bills have a #2 WR and pass catching TE to draw off defenders.

by Ron From NM on Apr 22, 2008 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Two WRs

I like the idea of nabbing two WRs who have potential to get immediately into the mix but I think we can do that without sacrificing a 2nd round pick that could be used on TE or defense. I honestly think our offense would be extremely dangerous next year if we were able to get Kelly, Bennett, and then got Adarius Bowman in the 5th or 6th round. I think Bowman would eventually if not immediately after camp knock off Josh Reed. This would leave our passing weapons as Lee Evans, Malcolm Kelly, Adarius Bowman, Roscoe Parrish, and Bennett. Our receiving corp then consists of two speedsters and two big possession types. Perfect. Remember Bowman was considered the best receiver in the draft months ago. He just needs structure and he'll be fine.

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 22, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Maybe....

Maybe we can wait on WR until the fourth round and then trade our pick for one of the top 3 WRs in the history of the NFL.... no?

by Harris on Apr 21, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions

4th Rd WR possibility

Jerome Simpson Coastal Carolina 6'2 199 lbs. Longest arms and largest hands of any WR at combine, 2nd largest hand of anyone at combine.

Pat Kirwan's take:

Height: 6-2 Weight: 199
College stats: 161 receptions, 44 TDs
Vital numbers: 4.48 40-yard dash, 4.52 short shuttle, 41-inch vertical

Simpson is this year's version of Jacoby Jones, who was drafted by the Texans in the third round out of Lane College. Simpson has the hands and arms to snatch a football, and his vertical leap makes him dangerous when it's time to go up after a ball. He is raw and will struggle with releases and coverage recognition early, but he's worth the time and effort. Draft projection: Round 4.

Lest we forget, Andre Reed was a 4th rounder.

by freddyjj on Apr 22, 2008 8:46 AM EDT reply actions

Defense

Weve made two big additions to our D in FA with Stroud and Mitchel who will make this D much better. Now we NEED to do something with our O to keep that D off the field!! Better play and less time on the field and this D could easily be a top 10 D.

1st - Devin Thomas
2nd - Martellus Bennett
3rd - Earl Bennett
4th - best reamaining center

If this happened Our O would be very dangerous, and if we cant come to terms with Evans we should still be in good shape.

The rest of the draft we go defense.
I dont know if we get a FB out of the draft, OBD might be comfortable with Barnes and Jonathon Evans who has a year in the system as a practice squad guy.

by Baggz on Apr 22, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions