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In Trade Happy Draft, Bills Stand Pat


Hardy stands alone as impact offensive rookie (Photo Source)

For two years, the Buffalo Bills had made a name for themselves on NFL Draft weekend by trading picks early and often to land players they wanted. In 2006, they traded back into the first round to select DT John McCargo. In 2007, they traded up into the early second round in order to pick LB Paul Posluszny. And entering 2008, the Bills had ten draft picks and a disgruntled quarterback (J.P. Losman) to help them make a move once again.

Over this year's draft weekend, an NFL record 33 trades were made - slowing down an otherwise streamlined draft. Yet despite their history, despite their ammo and despite a growing sense that moving around the board was the best option, in a record-setting draft, the Bills didn't budge an inch.

Bills Still Found Impact
The Bills chose to let the draft come to them, and in the early stages of the draft, it worked beautifully. Adding CB Leodis McKelvin and WR James Hardy gives the Bills two vastly talented players at their two biggest positional needs. McKelvin will likely lock down a starting job at cornerback during the season (if not before) as well as a return role in some capacity, while Hardy should start at wideout immediately next to veteran Lee Evans.

Even the team's third-round pick, Virginia Tech DE Chris Ellis, should make an impact as a rookie situational pass rusher.

When the impact was in the fold, however, the trading game failed Buffalo, and at least from an outsider's eyes, the picks started to frustrate.

Plan B: Build Special Teams, BPA
The Bills have never been a team that uses their late-round picks to fill needs in the vain hope that a sixth-round pick will carry them to the playoffs. Instead, the Bills choose to take the best player available - and, as this is rarely a bad strategy, the Bills have come away with some pretty good players over the years (LB Keith Ellison, S John Wendling).

With an eye on revamping their decimated special teams - which lost five impact coverage guys (WR Sam Aiken, TE Ryan Neufeld, LB Mario Haggan, LB Josh Stamer, LB Coy Wire) this off-season - the Bills added three rookies who should see significant special teams action as rookies. CB Reggie Corner, TE Derek Fine (who may also see a role offensively this season) and LB Alvin Bowen were all standout specialists in college, and they should become immediate special teams contributors for coordinator Bobby April.

The BPA method also landed the Bills three very intriguing prospects in RB Xavier Omon, OT Demetrius Bell and WR Steve Johnson. Omon is a record-setting Division II back with power and soft hands that adds a slightly different dimension to Buffalo's backfield. He may also be looked at as a fullback from time to time. Bell, the estranged son of former NBA star Karl Malone, is an immensely gifted athlete who with a little polish could be a worthwhile project for Buffalo, who needed depth along the offensive line. Johnson had a very productive final year at Kentucky, and although he's extremely raw as a receiver, he's a smooth athlete with plenty of upside at a thin position.

So, was the draft a success?
If you were looking to be wowed by Buffalo's draft class, a la 2007 when Marshawn Lynch and Posluszny sent waves of excitement through the fan base, 2008's class may disappoint you slightly. However, these are ten good football players that the Bills brought in - and half of them could be instant-impact rookies in one way or another. Did the Bills address all of their needs? No - they failed to find an impact tight end. This team's second-day philosophy has remained consistent for all three years they've been there, and tight end remains the team's one glaring weakness.  The team will instead rely on Fine to add to a competition that includes Robert Royal, Courtney Anderson, Teyo Johnson and Derek Schouman.

So for me? I'm satisfied. No draft is perfect.  I get the logic. I'm not wowed, and I'm not going to brag about this draft class to all of my pals. But the Bills lost a lot of role players this off-season and took strides to replace them with young, smart, athletic football players. It's hard for me to argue with that logic.

Whether or not the Bills should have made a few trades to get more impact, however, is a story that only time can tell.

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Im satisfied,

like you said, Mckelvin, Hardy, and Ellis should be able to make an impact this year snd even if they don’t there future does look bright. The other picks, as I mentioned in another thread, will provide S.T. with players that were lost to free agency. And they also bring some sort of depth, even though it might not be lights out depth.

Question, would you want D. Wright backing up Fred Jackson if Lynch goes down? Not me, not no how. Thas why I really like the Omon pick because it gives us another option and he does have some upside to him.

Not sure what to make of Bell. I think finding O-line that far into the draft is worthless. Odds are Preston is probably better, but thats just a guess, Im not basing it on any form of stats.

The three cornerback picks really make me sick. There had to have been better value elsewhere. Three corners picked is just as bad as the colts picking three centers. I really dont understand that. I BILLieve someone did say that the last CB pick could play Saftey and if thats true and the Bills convert him to saftey it was a smart pick in my eyes because the depth there is thin.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Apr 28, 2008 8:28 AM EDT   0 recs

Draft/Offseason

You’re correct on some of the issues here. Fans get caught up in mock drafts and perceived value of players because they’re avid football fans and for three months (or four if you’re a Bills fans) each year, the draft fills the void of the football season’s end. Now that the draft’s over, does it matter that Reggie Corner and Derek Fine were not predicted to be anything more than 7th round/ street free agent types by the draft guru business? Not at all. They are fourth round picks forever more; it’s in the history books. It’s also true that Buffalo doesn’t draft in the late rounds to fill needs at positions and I get that. They go best player available late, as does every team. So we shouldn’t get bent out of shape if certain pet project players we liked over this three month hobby of ours were passed over by the Bills in the draft for nondescript names that we didn’t research beforehand. None of the predraft “grades” or projections mean a thing once the draft begins so really, fans need to calm down about the discrepancy between where players are perceived to go compared to where they are actually taken.

But here’s the rub: Buffalo doesn’t get off the hook here for the offseason and roster management as a whole- Not in the least bit. As avid Bills fans, we may not be draft experts whoses guesses based on limited research deserve any credence, but we sure have the background to look at our team objectively and see where they have failed this offseason as a whole. As we’ve all read a million times, the Bills scored 20 offensive TDs last season in a 16 game schedule and our starting QB, Trent Edwards, led the team to at least one touchdown drive in only 4 of his 9 starts last season. These are mind-blowing stats. It’s management’s job to seriously address such ineptitude and I think it’s obvious that they failed to do so this offseason. You can’t spend your free agency dollars on four defensive acquistions (Stroud, Johnson, James, Mitchell) and pick defense three out of your top 4 draft picks and tell me you’re addressing the ineptitude on offense. If you do, you’re Chris Brown, a public relations lackey who doesn’t deserve any credence from a serious fan of this team. Seriously, what did Jauron do to address this offense this offseason? He promoted Turk Schonert, a failure throughout his career as a QBs coach, to the role of offensive coordinator without interviewing anyone else, and drafted a wide receiver in the 2nd round with serious character concerns whose talents are evident, yet questionable as to whether or not they’ll translate to the NFL.

With the draft’s conclusion, I don’t think you can defend how Buffalo went about fixing this offense this offseason and come across as anything but delusional. If you’re attached to Melvin Fowler, Josh Reed, Trent Edwards, and Robert Royal (all players who deserved to be pushed for their jobs and probably released in all cases where youth was no longer on their side), you’re not alone- Jauron appears to be stubborn with these players who failed so miserably last season as well. But, based on Dick Jauron’s track record with offense and winning, should we trust him? The numbers say no, so I’ll trust my eyes in projecting the Bills fortunes after following this team fervently for 21 seasons and counting- adding the very raw (athletically and personally) James Hardy and promoting Turk Schonert are not enough of a solution for the disaster we witnessed on offense last season (and this entire decade for that matter). Go ahead and make excuses about the draft class, the free agents available, the trade markets, the economy, whatever. Just remember- they’re excuses. It’s Buffalo’s job to find solutions and PR guys like Chris Brown’s to make excuses. As fans, we don’t have a job, we’re just observers and what we have to observe is a coach and front office that just don’t get it.

Never forget 56-10. Revenge.

by SuperFan82 on Apr 28, 2008 8:46 AM EDT   0 recs

I guess I couldnt agree more about offense,

they refused to address the real need, offense. However, Teyo and Hardy could breakout and be the boost this team needed. That I think is what there hopipng for. However, finding legit weapons was not addressed at all and that’s what pissed me off about the off season.

I BILLieve Lynch will have a greater effect on the passing game, potentially becoming the saftey net for Trent, which isnt a bad idea. I also BILLieve that not finding significant depth for the ol will hurt us this year.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Apr 28, 2008 9:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Teyo?

You can’t be serious. The guy couldn’t stick anywhere else. He’ll likely make Buffalo’s roster but that says more about the TEs currently on the team than it does about Teyo. We’ll be lucky if he matches Gaines’ limited production.

by Ron From NM on Apr 28, 2008 9:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think of him as a diamond in the rough,

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Apr 28, 2008 9:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nick BensalemPA? Is that you? Or does Nick have a new best friend in SuperFan82?

Your thoughts on the offense are justified, and it’s hard to argue with it. But I truly believe that Hardy’s presence could have an impact across the entire offensive scheme. I’m reserving judgment until I see the players lined up, but I think Hardy could by far be our best pick this year.

by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2008 9:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Makes me laugh

It is posts like this that belong on BB.com and not here. I respect SuperFans’s right to express himself-but it is totally uninformed. He has made NOT A SINGLE recommendation to support his rant. Let’s review the recent track record shalll we-using only FACTS regarding enhancing the offense.

1) Spend millions on Walker and Dockery
2) Draft Marshawn with a number one pick
3) Draft Edwards with a number 3 pick.
4) Draft Hardy with a number 2 pick.

If you don’t like the draft, that is fine. That is what America is all about—but PLEASE tell us specifically what you would have done. And how you would do it better.

I am not an apologist for OBD—but appreciate reason and thought.fullness as opposed to the meanderings of the uninformed.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Geronimo

Do you know why the Bills didn’t go after one of the top TEs or a mid-late round QB?

by Joe P. on Apr 28, 2008 9:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also,

Is Wright on the wrong side of Jauron?

by Joe P. on Apr 28, 2008 9:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

TEs

I know they liked both Keller and Davis a lot, but they went off the board early. After they were gone—the kind of TE depth they were seeking changed. They figured Teyo and C. Anderson could get down the field as well as or better than anybody else left and they were more seeking another blocker for short yardage and goal line. Hence Fine.

No-I do not think Wright is on the wrong side of anybody-but they want to see him pushed. And like Oman anyway.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2008 9:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have to get back to work today

Thanks for the thoughtful labels. We “uninformed” rely on your scoops to show us the way, so consider any failures of mine your own…Walker, Dockery, Lynch, and Edwards played majority rules on the team last season and that offense was the worst the Bills have had since Vince Ferragamo’s 1985 team. We scored 20 touchdowns last season and the Bills solution is to bring back the same cast of characters for a sequel? I’m sorry but a second round receiver, who at this point relies too heavily on jump balls as opposed to route running, and a promotion within the same coaching staff that concocted last year’s disaster just doesn’t do last year’s ineptitude the justice it deserves. There’s a reason Jauron has 6 losing seasons in 7 seasons and it’s that he consistently puts out teams that can’t score points…keep on waiting for Godot to bring us points, buddy; you’re in good company with the Bills’ front office…as far as “liking” the draft, I think only the truly “uninformed” would make that type of evaluation a day after it concluded. Thanks for the lesson America…Go Bills.

Never forget 56-10. Revenge.

by SuperFan82 on Apr 28, 2008 9:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looks like someone’s got a case of the Mondays. :) (So do I, actually…)

by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2008 9:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Give us your plan

Again—-I challenge you. Stop the ranting and tell us specifically what you may have done better/differently over the last two offseasons or drafts. It is far too easy to critique from the sideline without offering any alternative.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2008 9:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You got me!

You called me out and you’re right- I don’t have the time, energy, talent, or resources to come up with 3 year plan for producing a capable NFL offense or roster. I’m just a paying customer who views adding a 2nd round receiver as an unacceptable solution to the laughingstock 2007 Bills offense I paid to watch last season. Like I said, it’s the front office’s job to put a winner out there and not mine. My plan for this season is to watch 16 games on my couch with no playoffs, just as it’s been this entire decade. While indeed it’s “easy” to critique from the sideline, there’s also a lot of room out here for people that can’t hack it. I’m saving a space on my couch for Dick Jauron in 2009 in the likely event that he’ll need it.

Never forget 56-10. Revenge.

by SuperFan82 on Apr 28, 2008 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have to admit, Im also concerned about the seemingly lack of attention to the offense this past year. Seems alot is riding on Hardy transforming the whole show from last year. Which is possible of course, but its also possible that he does a Ryan Leaf, Mike Williams, or gets injured. And if so, are we back to where we were in 07?

Of course, one answer here is that all the work we did on the offense prior to 07 (Oline, ML, etc) starts paying off in 08 as players start to gel more. My personal opinion is that the problems were greater then that, but Im no expert.

What would I have perhaps done differently, from the safety of my couch:

1. Given Panda a 1 year deal. I understand the reasoning against doing this in general, but our need seemed so great.

2. Traded up to get one of the 2 TEs we did think was a downfield threat. And as much as I hate doing it, that might have demanded we dip into our 09 draft pick class, as both our top 2 picks we needed as well.

= Again these are just my opinions, and I am about as uninformed as they come. While I have watched every Bills game for 20 years (most on VHS tape a week later), I have lived overseas for most of that and havent seen a college game since I was in college (and the last person we sent to the NFL was probably Dick Jauron).

by Thronsen on Apr 28, 2008 10:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Alternatives

I actually agree with you about giving the one year to B. Johnson-although the spectre of two starting WR’s (He and Lee) leaving after 2008 would have been difficult. Nonetheless-I agree.

Moving up for Keller in the bottom of the first and/or Davis in the second would have had major ramifications throughout the rest of the draft I think, not to mention as you point out dipping into our 2009 draft class.

Boolah, Booohla

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2008 10:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

AGree/Disagree

I think more could have been done to take care of our issues on Offense. I know that we were in love with McKelvin, but could have lived with DRC if he had fallen to us. I had advocated before trading the #11 back somewhere between picks #12-19 along with our third for someone’s 1st and their 2nd as well. In the scenario, lets say we swapped with the Chiefs.
#11- Chiefs get Albert
#17- We pick up DRC or McKelvin as only the Cardinals were looking for a CB where we picked,
#35- obtained in the above swap we pick either Jordy Nelson (whom Geronimo said we were warm too) or James Hardy here
#41- We could have grabbed best TE available- Davis, Bennett, Rucker or WR left- Sweed, Kelly, Jackson, anyone really left.

If we had done this, we would have had our #1 or 2 CB, our #1 WR and either our #2 WR or #1 or #2 TE.

Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....

by WABillsfan on Apr 28, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

One other thing: how are Hardy’s talents “questionable as to whether or not they’ll translate to the NFL”? That’s just ludicrous, my friend – you can’t teach height at wideout, and his basketball background gives him an innate sense of body control and positioning. This guy is Plaxico Burress through and through. Your beliefs about his character seem to be permeating your beliefs about his talents here.

by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2008 9:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm glad I can't get in this site at work anymore...

...or I’d be fired by the end of the year. I seriously have to get back to my accounting exam I took off from work to complete (and haven’t started thanks to the draft), but I thought you were of the opinion that Buffalo needed help in the YAC department at WR, Brian? From what I saw of Hardy, he looks extremely athletic, but his jump ball skills might not translate to immediate success when going up against more comparable athletes in the pros. While you’re correct that I’m skeptical of his character, I’m also skeptical that he can help much until he improves his route running in a pro offense. Like you said, Burress is a comparative, but he looked like a bust early in his career while he learned to resist relying on his jump ball skills as he did in college. I’d like Hardy a lot more if he was a drafted as a prospect for down the line on a team with starters already in place- not as he is, the only significant addition to a terrible offense. I’m not taking a shot at the kid, but I fully expect him to struggle in 2008 as he adjusts to a game he really wasn’t playing for all pracftical purposes in college.

Never forget 56-10. Revenge.

by SuperFan82 on Apr 28, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree 100% Brian

While I was a little upset with the Bills at first, the more I thought about it the more it made sense. This was a draft designed to rebuild the ST’s. Would you rather have young, talented players under your control for the next few years or overpay for basically the same guys. I loved Coy and Josh, but they never did anything outside of ST’s. Now we have Wending and Alvin Bowen to do the same thing only they come cheaper and have more upside and a chance to provide impact. Sam Aiken never did anything here, why not give Steve Johnson a chance?

There will be a ton of competition this summer and the CB position in particular, will be very interesting to watch.

by RabidBuffalo on Apr 28, 2008 8:47 AM EDT   0 recs

Special Teams

I understand the value of special teams. However, would it really have cost all that much more to have re-signed some of the special teams stalwarts that the Bills let walk out the door than to draft a bunch of guys who the Bills hope will become good special teams guys?

by Ron From NM on Apr 28, 2008 9:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Length of contract

is the aspect I think they were after. You don’t see many backups signed for long term contracts (3-5 years). They have these new guys under their control for the next few years AND at a lower cost.

The guys we lost did well for us but their perfomances can be repeated.

by RabidBuffalo on Apr 28, 2008 9:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes. too much $$$ for back ups

These special team aces were making just under $1million each at the end of there contracts. If we want to resign Evans and Crowell, you need to replace talent. Especially talent that is only back up material. Think of it this way, the 5 guys we will use to replace them will cost a combined $1.5 Mil versus the $5 Mil. You need to let some guys go in order to give the big dollars to others you want to keep or get in free agency.

Would you rather win one superbowl or Lose four in a row? Which defines your teams place in history more ... 1yr wonder or Perennially 2nd best?

by Rudy916 on Apr 28, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Free agent coverage

Brian, will you be providing coverage on free agent signings throughout the day today? I loved this weekend’s coverage and I appreciate everyone’s postings on free agents we should go for. I am just wondering if we will hear from BuffaloRumblings on who the free agent signees will be. thanks

by TheBadger on Apr 28, 2008 9:47 AM EDT   0 recs

I’m kind of waiting for all of them to trickle in so I can throw them all into one post, later on today.

by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2008 9:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

I need link posting re-education. I’ll have to do some learning here. I’ll be back with that link in a second.

by RabidBuffalo on Apr 28, 2008 9:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Amazing

what happens when you read instructions.

This is the post I was trying to refer to.

by RabidBuffalo on Apr 28, 2008 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

TE's on the market

I live near NYC and the Jets fans are talking that taking Dustin Keller means their TE Chris Baker will probably be traded away. He’s a good player in their minds with 41 catches last year and played well above his contract. He’s only making $683,000 this year which is well below the $1.6mill they gave to Bubba Franks for a 1 year TE contract, and now they have signed Dustin Keller.

He’s a little disgruntled right now.

by south123 on Apr 28, 2008 10:48 AM EDT   0 recs

Draft

Before the draft we had 5 CB’s on the roster. Most teams keep 6 on the roster. I didn’t realize this b/f the draft. Generally teams go to camp with 9 or 10. Therefore, with the 3 we drafted we have 8 which is closer to the acceptable amount for competition and repitiion in camp. We needed an impact CB we got our #1 CB.

We needed an impact WR and did the best we could. IMO we got the #1 WR talent in the draft. He might have been the bills #2 or #3 but we can sign him to a relatively cheap deal (like Poz) and most importantly we will now have the money to throw at evans. I think the WR future is bright with a speedy #1 WR in Evans, a possession/redzone #2 WR in Hardy, and a slot WR in either Parish or Reed. The combination of Hardy/Evans has unlimited potential and reminds me of Muhammed/Smith from Carolina a couple yrs back.

We filled a need which is replacing Hargrove with the 3rd round pick. We hopefully filled Gaines spot with either Anderson, Teyo or Fine. You cant get everything in one draft. Next year hopefully we will be picking in the late 20’s and can afford the luxury of drafting a round 1 caliber TE or interior lineman.

Last year we used 3 of our first 4 picks on offense. This year it is D. Clearly Jauran wants a top 5 D unit and if you look at the depth we can afford an injury at almost any position this year which is different than ever b/f. Jauran wants our team to style Chi/Balt and that is ok. In Nov, Dec and Jan it is more important to have a strong D than offense. The Clev & NYG game was a perfect ex of that.

We have the pieces in place for a postseason run and the foundation for 2009 to be a championship run. While people are hesitant to endorse Edwards we still have probably one of the top 5 best backup QB’s on any roster in Losman. Capable of winning games if necessary.

by Berg79 on Apr 28, 2008 10:52 AM EDT   0 recs

Loseman may be a good backup

but he is not a Matt Schaub. Maybe he will finally get “it” this year, but if he was capable of winning games, he would not have lost his job to a rookie 3rd round pick QB last year.

by Joe P. on Apr 28, 2008 11:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Losman

If he does get “it”, then in my opinion he could become a better quarterback than Schaub, and many other quarterbacks in the NFL, could ever dream of.

by Fort Worth on Apr 28, 2008 11:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately

that’s a huge “IF” at this point.

by RabidBuffalo on Apr 28, 2008 11:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If a frog

had wings, he won’t bump has ass when he hops.

by Joe P. on Apr 28, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That said

I really do hope Loseman grows wings!!!

by Joe P. on Apr 28, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

SOlid Base

Berg I agree with you that there is a solid foundation of a team in place now. The question is always what team finally gets everything to click around November. Hearing Giants fans all last year and the years before they didn’t know what they had even around week 14. Then mid-season last year it all finally took off.

I don’t think we’ll know when we have a championship team until after we have one. There’s alot of talent on the team, I could see them firing on all four cylinders and dominating games and I can see another season of ‘we almost one that one’.

by south123 on Apr 28, 2008 11:11 AM EDT   0 recs

Front Office

I agree that we wont know if we have a championship caliber team until after its done, however my point was basically the Front office has done its part in the last 2 years to put the talent in place to be a competitive playoff caliber team. Now it is up to the coaches and players to utilize their talent. No team has everything in place, but I feel confident in all defensive positions starters and depth and feel we are decent at O-line, QB, RB. I am hopeful someone steps up at #2 WR and TE, when the Patriots dominate or Colts or whoever someone young relatively unknown always plays bigger than their talent.

by Berg79 on Apr 28, 2008 11:55 AM EDT   0 recs

McKelvin?

Maybe it’s because I was in a smaller minority than I originally thought when I was advocating McKelvin as being the best corner in the draft (I know others liked DRC and Cason) but I find it very very interesting that there has been limited to no discussion about what a great player we got at #11. All the talk is about Hardy and beyond, are people not happy about getting who appears to have been most teams consensus number 1 corner in the draft? I know that if teams scouts and managers come to the conclusion that McKelvin was the best at his position that is good enough for me. Remember if he’s as good as expected he should own a starting position as soon as Week 6 if not sooner. I’m really excited about getting such a lockdown defender and I know Hardy is the only impact offensive player we acquired this year but we are already a considerably better team than last year and have a potentially feared defensive unit. With Stroud, Mitchell, and the pick of McKelvin we have upgraded every single unit on our D. That should be enough to make us a much better unit and I think Hardy will make our offensive unit generate more first downs than last year. I guess all I’m trying to say is that McKelvin is a huge pickup and im a little surprised to see such a lack of discussion about him. Where the draft did let me down was following the Ellis pick. I know that we’ve had a strategy of BPA but I would have liked an impact TE and FB both of which could still be had rds 3-6 and we just never went for it. I would have wanted a draft either similar to the Redskins, who got Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly with their first three picks or our strategy with the same first three picks but at least drafting for need with the later rounds, especially in this deep draft class.

Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?

by poz on Apr 28, 2008 1:10 PM EDT   0 recs

Oh… it’s coming, Poz. Expect more on McKelvin probably tomorrow. :)

by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

great!

Thanks Brian, I’m looking forward to it!

Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?

by poz on Apr 28, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Could be that the lack of discussion

is because most people are comfortable with the pick. It was a good, logical one. People want answers to some of the “head scratcher” picks.

by Joe P. on Apr 28, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Fine

I read an article

http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2008/04/28/sports/sports02.txt

where TE Derek Fine said there was interest in him in the 4th round – so maybe there were others like the Bills who didn’t read the ESPN mock draft scouting reports and thought this kid was pretty good. I think most people don’t like the pick because
a) nobody talked about him prior to draft – he wasn’t one of the top 5 in anybody’s minds
b) they thought the Bills reached.

Hey – he addressed a need, he can play Special Teams, we need to give him (and all the other draft picks) a break and see what they can do in the system before we shuffle them off to the CFL.

by Benaconda on Apr 28, 2008 1:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Fine

For all the disappointment about our not getting Davis, Keller, Finley, Rucker, et all, all of whom are cited for their athleticism, Fine is a pretty good athlete himself. I really hate using the “Measurables” as opposed to evaluating by tape—but consider the following: Of ALL the TEs at the combine Fine was
first in the three-cone drill, second in the 20-yard shuttle, third in the 60-yard shuttle and tied for third in the bench press. He also blocks and catches.

Not too bad. I agree with Benaconda, let’s give him the benfit of the doubt—at least for the moment.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What happened to Bowman?

I know this is off topic for this thread, but it appears to be the only active one right now.

Does anyone know what happened to Adarius Bowman? This kid at one point was an overall top 15 prospect. I realize he he had a rough combine and the marijuana possession charge, but I am still surprised that no one is even picking him up as an undrafted free agent. Does anyone know the story with him?

by thejimbo on Apr 28, 2008 1:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Only One

problem with the draft .Steve justice didn’t go until late 6th rd,we couldn’t have used are 6th on him.I know OBD is ok with fowler,but most sites had justice one of top three centers .I thought the value was there and I also uderstand that we need SP Teams players .I’m sure out of the 20 free agents we can find 1 or 2 guys for teams.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 28, 2008 1:59 PM EDT   0 recs

I never really was fond of Justice, because a lot of the documented problems with Fowler (which OBD doesn’t seem to share) are shared by Justice.

For the folks who wanted Valesco, he’s off the market.

by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Any center

would have made sense in the 6th or seventh IMO.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 28, 2008 2:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Hopeful signs?

Did anyone else notice that McKelvin took A-Train’s number and Hardy took Price’s? Let’s hope that if they call the team after getting no offers anywhere else the Bills tell them that, sorry, their numbers have been taken.

by Ron From NM on Apr 28, 2008 2:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Address ST With Undrafted Free Agents

My only problem with this draft came in Day 2. I live about 30mins from Troy, Alabama, so trust me…the McKelvin pickup will turn out to be a GREAT pick.

NOW….as for the rest of the draft…Hardy and Ellis were good picks…but using your draft to restock your special teams seems to be somewhat of a waste. In MY opinion, these needs could have been addressed with undrafted free agents.

by funnangame on Apr 28, 2008 4:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Adarius Bowman

Was Adarius a free agent signing? i dont remeber seeing his name called any where through out the draft, there is now way he’s still available, and i know he lacks speed and is not the most fluid athlete, but if still available should the Bills take a closer look, he has the size to be decent receiver. what do you guys think? Like most fans, othere than the first 3 picks i did not understand the last 5, but then realizing the losses incurred in the special teams unit, it now seems like the most logical picks, in the BILLS i trust

P.S. on the NFL network, you can viem highlight clips of all the top players from every position, and they said James Hardy could turn out to be the next Randy Moss, not so much in those words, but that what it sounded like, it said if teams drafted based on potential, Hardy would have probably been the #1 pick, again thiss all comming from the position highlight clips on NFL network, so there is obviously a lot of hype behind this guy at OBD.
Lets go Buffalo

by Hassanali181 on Apr 28, 2008 6:44 PM EDT   0 recs

XMAS

i have to say you Bills fans sound like 6 yr old kids pissed off that they didnt get that extra spiderman toy, eventhough you got more than you could ever do with. stop crying about Schmitt, you all saw him once in a nationally televised game. TE obviously wasnt their biggest concern. they added depth where it was needed and maintained our Special teams unit to continue to dominate. not to mention get a lock down CB and the biggest WR in the draft.

so Merry Chrsitmas Go Bills

by pastj12345 on Apr 28, 2008 6:51 PM EDT   0 recs

XMAS it ain't

We can’t do returns….

Anyhow, I am not really all that down on the draft, I like our 1st 3 picks, I like our guys in the 7th and I think Bowen will turn into a steal in 2 seasons. The only issue I had with our draft was that we didn’t get a 2nd offensive weapon. Yes Teyo and Anderson could turn into legitmate down field threats, but they haven’t done so in 3 years so far. Johnson will be a great special teams guy and I think will be a decent #4 wideout, but I really was hoping for a 2nd big wideout to hedge our bets against Lee.

Lee will want #1 money, and on any other team, he wouldn’t get it. And the Bills and Lee both know this. A #1 WR can take on any comers and be successful, and not see a huge decline in stats (Steve Smith anyone?) I wanted 2 WRs just in case the Bills and Lee have to split ways in 2 seasons. Why, Because most players in the NFL really come on in the 3rd season, and we would have had 2 guys making into their 3rd year if Lee walked away.

I hope it all works out, and Hardy chips in a further 6-9 TDs for us in the redzone using those big soft hands and mad jumping skills.

Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....

by WABillsfan on Apr 28, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2WRs

did you not look at the stats of the 2nd wr we picked(johnson Kansas)? his numbers are similar to Devin Thomas and he’s 2” taller, not as fast but a guy who likes to go over the middle. yes his numbers were inflated by playing in the Kansas system, but he should be replacing josh Reed either this year or next. Johnson will be a great pick up for us. i’ll say it now before training camp starts

by pastj12345 on Apr 28, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That would be amazing for a rook WR

But check out the history of rookie WRs. It’s doubtful that he’ll pull that off..

by krytime on Apr 29, 2008 1:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't beat around the bush...

Good points. I think many of us expected the wrist web slinger though…

by krytime on Apr 29, 2008 12:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mel "flipping" Kiper

Can you believe this clown gave the Bills draft a C+. As far as I’m concerned he gets a C+ in his grading of players and need to go to the Mike Mayock school of player evaluation.

by the Skycap on Apr 28, 2008 7:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Kiper

PFT has a pretty funny bit about him up on their rumor mill page. He didn’t give anyone less than a C- which they opine is so he doesn’t look like a tard 3 years from now—when some team whose draft he didn’t like is stomping other teams flat.

I like the bit I read about the Army FB. If the Bills keep 4 RBs they will probably only keep 1 FB. If so, maybe they’ll keep the Army guy for salary purposes alone if all else is equal. The Bills have shown that they’re not afraid to trust young players…

by Ron From NM on Apr 28, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

At worst

he can find a spot on the practice squad if we only keep 1 FB, which I think we will.

I think we’ll keep 1 FB and 4 TE’s (Royal, Johnson, Anderson, Fine) with Schouman and a FB on the PS….

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting stat

In the 2007 draft, the Giants drafted 8 players and were given a C+ draft grade. All eight played in the SB.

by Joe P. on Apr 28, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?

but using your draft to restock your special teams seems to be somewhat of a waste. In MY opinion, these needs could have been addressed with undrafted free agents.

If 3-4 undrafted free agents fill out ST, what happens to the 4-7 round picks? Do they make the roster? If not, why were the free agents not drafted instead?
how do most late round picks make NFL squads if not excelling on ST? Sorry, but that assessment makes no sense.

by LeClaireBill on Apr 28, 2008 8:35 PM EDT   0 recs

Huh #2

I’m not taking a shot at the kid, but I fully expect him to struggle in 2008 as he adjusts to a game he really wasn’t playing for all pracftical purposes in college.

Geronimo has it right, guy. Give a base to your opinon, instead of negative diatribes. If everything sucks, be brave enough to posit what might be better.
Please do tell what “game” Hardy “really wasn’t playing for all practical purposes in college.” Lacrosse?

by LeClaireBill on Apr 28, 2008 8:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Negative diatribe

I didn’t rip the draft, I questioned the intelligence of not upgrading the offense throughout the entire offseason further than adding a 2nd round receiver following a season when we scored 20 offensive TDs. It’s ridiculous to just stand pat after such a failure offensively, but that’s Jauron’s history as head coach (and I’m not going to pull out his offensive stats with the Bears for you; do your own busy work)...it’s entirely reasonable to expect a period of transition for Hardy as he definitely didn’t run NFL type routes at indiana,instead relying on his athletic superiority against college DBs. That won’t work in the pros and he’ll need to adjust. That’s not ripping him, guy, that’s taking a step back and giving an honest assessment of what the shiney new toy under the Chbristmas tree can actually do in 2008. The Geronimos of this world are wrong to rip anyone who dares QUESTION supreme leader, Ayatollah Jauron when nothing his regime has done to this point has worked in terms of winning or scoring sufficient points. Que