The McKelvin Perspective: Matt Miller's Take
With their first round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills chose the top player rated on their board in Troy cornerback Leodis McKelvin. Widely regarded as the top cornerback available in this year's draft class, the highly athletic McKelvin was known as a shut-down corner at the college level, as well as one of the nation's elite return specialists.
The Bills made a splash at the top of their 2007 draft by taking RB Marshawn Lynch, whose superb rookie year may have landed him Offensive Rookie of the Year honors had it not been for a certain Peterson character in Minnesota. The Bills' pick of McKelvin, however, may have provided the team with an even more explosive player, especially when the ball is in his hands.
Just how good is McKelvin, and just how good can McKelvin be? No one is more equipped than a draft scout to answer those questions. Matt Miller, head of the popular scouting service New Era Scouting and head of SB Nation's draft blog, Mocking the Draft, was kind enough to take some time from his busy post-draft schedule to talk about McKelvin at a more intricate level. Here's his take on some of the nitty-gritty questions I asked him - and you may be surprised at some of the responses...
We've heard good things about McKelvin's footwork, fluid hips and recovery speed. His size is very adequate as well. Can McKelvin be a corner that eventually matches up with any receiver in the league?
We had Leodis McKelvin rated as our #1 CB going in to the draft for many reasons, most of which you mentioned. McKelvin can be a player who will match up with and shut down the best receivers in the NFL. In no way will he be ready to line up across from Randy Moss as a rookie, but his tools show that he has the talent to eventually do so. McKelvin has everything we look for in an elite cover man.
The Bills view McKelvin as an immediate starter, even though they employ the Cover 2. Does McKelvin have the tackling skill and demeanor to excel in this defense?
Tackling, unlike other areas, is as much about will as it is talent. McKelvin has shown the ability to "lay the hat" on receivers throughout his time at Troy. The area that must be taught is his press coverage at the line of scrimmage. He has the size and strength to be physical with receivers, but must show the heart to do so. I do not see this being a problem for him, as he's a successful return man and is not afraid of contact there.
We've heard conflicting reports on McKelvin's instincts. Some say he's a great anticipator and can read quarterbacks well, while others say he's lacking in this area. What are your thoughts after watching him on film?
I would say it's both. McKelvin has games where he shows great instincts in reading the route and jumping it, or reading the quarterback's eyes and breaking up a pass. His best talent may be baiting the quarterback into a bad throw. His recovery speed is so phenomenal that he has the ability to play off the receiver and then jump the route once the pass is thrown. His instincts are sufficient, and when combined with his speed they are more than adequate.
McKelvin was an elite punt returner in college, scoring 7 times on punt returns. But the Bills already have arguably the league's best punt returner in Roscoe Parrish. Is McKelvin as effective returning kickoffs as he is punts?
His natural ability with the football will make him a success any time he touches the ball. Early in the season McKelvin was among the best return men I had ever seen in college. He is naturally gifted with speed, agility and vision in the open field. He could quickly take over return duties from Parrish while becoming a starter at cornerback.
Give us your prognosis on McKelvin's career. How good can he be? What's the worst case scenario for this kid? Can he be compared to any current NFL cornerbacks?
The best case scenario is quite high. McKelvin has the potential to be in the class of Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson. He compares favorably to Woodson in many areas, in fact. At worst, McKelvin is a Devin Hester clone on returns, but a nickel cover man on defense.
I'd like to thank Matt Miller once again for the intriguing insight on McKelvin. It's interesting - the McKelvin selection was regarded in the immediate aftermath of the selection as a solid pick, yet the more I hear about McKelvin, the more I hear that he could truly be an NFL superstar. Clearly, it is much too early to be turning that claim into gospel, as McKelvin's still never played an NFL snap and will need to adjust to the NFL setting.
I also found it interesting that Miller believes that McKelvin can unseat Parrish as this team's punt returner as a rookie. I don't see that happening - Parrish has been among the top two or three punt returners in the NFL over the past two years - but it speaks volumes to McKelvin's ability with the ball in his hands. I still have some doubts as to whether he's as effective on kick returns, but clearly, the Bills now have three outstanding return threats on their roster, and that's going to be very difficult for opposing special teams coordinators to game plan for.
I'm jacked up about this kid. Elite coverage tools, explosive with the ball in his hands, and he instantly improves depth in the defensive backfield and adds an entirely new dimension to an already solid special teams unit. You want to talk about a value selection with an incredibly high ceiling? Leodis McKelvin is your guy. Work on those ball skills, kid, and we'll have nothing else to complain about.
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Return prospects
I would say Bobby April is giddy about what his options are now with McKelvin. Of course, the whole key is replacing the blocking that was lost by ST veterans Wire, Aiken, Haggan, Stamer. But, Can you imagine having McKelvin and McGee to return kicks? They would not be able to kick away from either guy unless they squib it. Plus, even on punt returns you could have 2 return men. Not saying that would be effective but it gives so much flexibility. McKelvin has natural kick return skills. I think he will excel at kick returning at the next level.
Plus Brian, you have been clamoring for McGee to set his return duties to the side, but now the same problem is there. A CB who also returns! So Brian what do you think about possible our #2 starting CB also returning kicks during his career? I think it saves a roster spot and gives the Bills so much more flexibility. I love it.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Apr 29, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s easier to pull off double duty (CB/KR) with McKelvin because he’s a rookie. McGee has finally nailed down the nuances of the cornerback position, and he’d be a much more effective defender if he wasn’t gassed. He’s been pulling double duty for half a decade now, after all.
Personally, I’d leave Parrish as the lone punt returner – he’s outstanding in that capacity. I’d put McGee and McKelvin back on the kick return every time. Every time. They’d split the returns, so McGee would still be less gassed than usual, and it’d be impossible for opposing kickers – they’d have to kick it out of bounds. Having both McGee and McKelvin back there at the same time would be as effective as the Bears’ having Hester is for them. Field position galore!
I’m telling you, this pick has got me jacked up. I can put aside the ball skills issue for a second, because his supposedly bad ball skills are probably already better than most of our cornerbacks’ anyways. This kid has big-time potential. I hate to say it, because I was so vehemently against it all off-season, but McKelvin looks like the right decision. (Mmm… crow.)
by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McKelvin
Brian, I think Wilson and Jauron could talk you into a business opportunity on Neptune if you gave them a five minute presentation with power point to persuade you. Chris Brown would whispering in your ear what a lucrative decision it would be for you as long as you sign everything over to Ralph Wilson and you’d no match for his manipulation….I like McKelvin too, but it’s hard to get “jacked up” about a projected nickel cornerback/ backup punt returner on the 2008 Bills, especially when the kid played at Troy and 98% of us have never seen him play a down. I hope he turns out to be find (although the Woodson comparison doesn’t get me jacked up at all- Charles Woodson is one of the all-time most overrated players in football history), but let’s calm down. For now, he’s just another promising rookie DB for a team that seems to draft about 25 promising rookie DBs a decade.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on Apr 29, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assure you, I have a better job than that. And it’s here on Earth.
The Bills view McKelvin as an immediate starter. So, he’ll start immediately if he merely meets expectations at camp. I fully expect him to start this season, and he should contribute as a kick returner.
Humorous point about the DBs – we’ve had a lot of good’uns come through here… but the only one I miss is Winfield. Man, I liked watching that guy play.
by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winfield
...my favorite Bills player of that era! When I was a young guy, there was this magazine called “Shout!” which was really good for out of town Bills’ fans back when the internet was almost too frustratingly slow to use. Winfield used to write a column in this magazine and he was always complaining about his wife dragging him places and spending his money. He really cracked me up. Now that I think about it, the Bills bought that magazine out when Donahoe came into power and installed Chris Brown as their media czar to curb all dissent. You have to love the blurred line between the media and the news their covering these days with so many agendas tied together in almost every media outlet…Starting might be tough for McKelvin. All of the Bills’ recent 1st round corners (Willimas, T.Smith, Burris, Winfield, Clements) spent a year as a nickel back before starting. I realize Jauron’s scheme is hardly complicated, but I wouldn’t be surprised to James or Greer start the year opposite McGee.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on Apr 29, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I read “Shout!” religiously. Not as big a fan of Bills Digest. I remember that Winfield column, too – he’s a quality player. I never liked the decision to let him go so that Clements could be our #1; funnily enough, I was OK with Clements leaving.
I’ll settle on agreeing to disagree with you about McKelvin. I think he’s our #2 corner from day one.
by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
There’s no way we should be expecting a smaller school CB to start from day 1. I can’t imagine he won’t need some time to grow and learn the system first.
Hopefully, by midseason he’ll be ready to move into the starting lineup. Luckily, we have guys like James and Greer with starting experience.
~K
by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give you the fact that it’s nice that we have 5 guys who can start (yeah, I feel like Youboty can start). But as I’ve repeated over and over, according to Geronimo, the Bills already do view McKelvin as an immediate starter. Sure, he’ll probably get burned a few times. But this kid’s ready to play.
by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I hope so
but I’m not going to bank on it. He has to learn the schemes and prove he’s ready to start first. I have no problem with him starting out in the nickel role getting his feet wet and then starting as the season progresses. There aren’t too many CB’s who can start game 1 of their rookie seasons. I hope he can, but I’m going to reserve judgement until we see him throughout the preseason….
~K
by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to have to go against the gassed philosophy.
Like you said McGee has done this for 5 years now, you think he’d prepare a bit more conditioning-wise for this extra strain so he isn’t gassed out after returns. I don’t believe return kicks takes away from McGee’s ability as a corner, unless it’s through an injury. If anything, it’s vice versa effect, because remember, you only return kickoffs after playing a defense series or after halftime. So he’ll get a full breather while the offense takes the field (albeit, usually a short one) before he returns to D. At worst case, he is tired from D and isn’t 100% on ST. Again, this also applies to McKelvin. But that’s the way we want it. Defense first, then Bobby April.
Both McGee and McKelvin have the equal chance of getting injured on a return, so that moot. And chances are low anyways because no one can touch either of them. :)
GO BLUE!!!
by Kumario! on Apr 29, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point about the inter-game gassed factor (that’s a weird phrase), but my point wasn’t about specific game situations – it’s about McGee being the #1 CB AND the #1 KR. That’s a lot of pressure on a guy who is supposed to be the best defender in our defensive backfield. The less he has to focus on KR, the better a cover corner he can become. McKelvin’s addition helps him get there.
by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best defender
First of all, thank you Brian and Matt for this thread. Very interesting stuff.
If McGee is the best defender in the defensive backfield, he better not be for very long, unless McGee is really really good. I expect McGee to be the 3rd best defensive back on the roster in a couple of years, if he is still around. That’s the pressure that comes with being drafted #8 (Whitner) and #11 (McKelvin) overall.
As for the workload on returns, I am hoping the improvement on defense will force more three-and-outs, stop drives, (and force punts) in the future rather than allowing long drives, touchdowns, field goals (and allowing kickoffs) like last season. Naturally, the improvement on defense should give Parrish more opportunities on punt returns and reduce McGee’s overall workload anyway.
I am excited about the acquisition of McKelvin primarily because I think he adds versatility and flexibility to the Bills’ defense. For instance, McKelvin’s ability to excel in man coverage will allow the Bills to adjust their defense, play more aggressively, “load the box”, or blitz if necessary in certain situations, without comprimising in coverage.
by Fort Worth on Apr 29, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'd agree there
McKelvin does have a lot less pressure as we already have a few capable starters already, so even if he does start as a Nickel or Dime back, he can provide us with McGee+ return results, while McGee focuses on shutting down #1 WRs.
GO BLUE!!!
by Kumario! on Apr 30, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think McKelvin will play on the STs coverage units too?
I’d hope so.
by krytime on Apr 29, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im glad
to see that miller highlighted that McKelvin will lay the hat because during all my debating with the Cason and DRC fans out there, the biggest knock many had on McKelvin was that he was afraid to make a hit. All over his film you see him throwing himself at ball carriers, whether successfully or not, showing that not only does he possess courage but that he can be coached into a tough CB. I wanted McKelvin because the guy is LOCKDOWN, even miller says he has potential to be one of the best and also because he is a high character player and a team leader, he was a captain after all. This is a great addition to our team and he should start right off the bat. I think the young players enthusiasm to play and build a winner in Buffalo that was started by Marshawn will come easily to McKelvin. Considering that the WR class didn’t have the clear cut best player, we may have gotten two of the highest ceiling players at CB and WR with McKelvin and Hardy. In many ways I think the first two picks of this draft are just as exciting as Lynch and Poz.
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on Apr 29, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McKelvin
Not really sure who else is near a TV right now, but McKelvin is going to be appearing on ESPN2’s First Take in a few minutes. Of course, they’re asking him everyone’s favorite question,”How do you feel about playing in Buffalo winters?”
by BuffaloBrewed on Apr 29, 2008 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Pretty good interview… for anyone interested, Leodis likes his wings hot.
by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear
a Bill getting some props. BTW, what is “First Take”? Is that what used to be “Cold Pizza”?
I’m with you, Brian, I love this pick and I am very excited to see what he can do. The Bills defense is starting to look pretty nasty. I just can not wait to see this team play.
by RabidBuffalo on Apr 29, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losman upfield for squib kicks?
First of all, say what you want, but Losman is a gamer. Perfect psychology for ST down by 6 with 20 seconds to go.
But most importantly, you really want to give opponents fits who want to squib?
Stick Losman not as a return dude, but up in squib kick territory.
Any Bills fan will apprciate the idea of a Music City ‘mircale’ with a QB up top!
5 months to opening day. Just having some fun :)
by Thronsen on Apr 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I'm down
But you know all the teams would just be waiting for the throwback, or would just go a strip Losman.
GO BLUE!!!
by Kumario! on Apr 29, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol yeah. But us having options is never a bad thing.
Just making them prepare for it, or take a TO, or squib it away (from Losman), all good things.
by Thronsen on Apr 29, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my take on McKelvin
First let me say that I saw McKelvin play an entire game only once. Two of my good friends are big Georgia Bulldog fans and I typically watch all their games (especially now that Syracuse is awful). I watched Troy vs. Georgia and had somewhat of an eye on McKelvin. He was considered a second round prospect at the time. I also saw bits and pieces of Troy vs. Florida, I watched about 10 or 15 plays where Troy had their defense out on the field. So most of my opinion come from scouting reports and statistics. I am not a big fan of highlights, I don’t think they tell us much, especially when 50% of the footage is punt returns.
At 5’10 1/2 and 190 pounds, McKelvin has adaquate size, but nothing more. As a comparison, McKelvin is about the same hieght as Greer and 8 pounds lighter than McGee. Size isn’t all that important though and that becomes obvious watching players like Winfield and Ronde Barber. His height and weight are about average (his weight is a little below average) for starting NFL cornerbacks, but it is good enough that it shouldn’t hurt him.
He has elite athleticism. McKelvin posseses both straight line speed and change of direction. His fluid hips allow him to stick with any receiver. In the game I saw, WRs were completely unable to seperate from him at all. There was one play where Massaquoi beat him on a fly pattern. It was second or third and short and McKelvin was playing up on the line, Massaquoi went at him like he was run blocking and McKelvin bit on the play action. It was like a 25 yard gain. I don’t remember if McKelvin allowed another catch all game. His coverage ability is his biggest strength.
There are contradicting reports about his instincts. I think he has poor instincts, but reacts quickly. If he were ever able to jump routes or feel a throw was coming before the QB threw it, then he would have had more than 4 INTs in college. His athleticism is so impressive that he covers up for his marginal instincts with impressive reactions. Even OBD has been talking about how well he plays the ball. He is aggressive going after the ball while it is in the air, but he is more reactionary than anything.
I believe McKelvin will have to get stronger in order to be really effective in run support. I don’t remember him tackling a RB once during the Georgia or Florida games. He is a solid tackler and made some tackles in the secondary against Georgia. Most scouting reports that I have read have mentioned McKelvin will need to add strength. He is best playing off the line of scrimmage, so he should do fine in run support, just don’t expect him to be anywhere near as effective as McGee has been the last couple of seasons. He shouldn’t be a dropoff from Greer and will likely improve over time as he gets stronger and learns how to shed blocks better.
LEODIS MCKELVIN IS NOT A GOOD KICK RETURNER
In the game I saw, McKelvin had 6 KRs for 121 yards. It was pathetic. Georgia averaged over 30 yards per KR.
kick returning and punt retunring are totally different. McKelvin is a dynamic PR, but had basically no success returning kicks in college. Devin Hester is a classic example of the media ignoring the difference in KR and PR abilities. While Hester had the second best PR average in the league, he also had the THIRD WORST yards per kick return of anyone in the league who averaged more than 1 return per game.
McKelvin had 99 career kick returns. He averaged 23.7 yards over those returns and only 23.2 yards his senior season. He had only 1 TD in those 99 returns. If McKelvin does as well in the NFL as he did in the Sun Belt conference he will be an average kick returner. I couldn’t find a list of all the KR leaders from last season, but I did find a list from 2005 and one from 2003. In those lists the top 50 returners who qualified all averaged at least 24 yards per return. Basically, almost half of the teams playing D-1 football had a more effective KR than Troy did last season. I expect him to struggle on KRs if the Bills give him many oppurtunities next season.
by kaisertown on Apr 29, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you and I differ on what makes an elite kick returner, kaisertown. Yes, McKelvin averaged just under 24 yards per return on kicks in college, and he’s clearly a more gifted punt returner than kick returner. What makes him dangerous, however, is his home run ability. He’s a threat. Josh Scobey may average 28 yards per kick return, but he’s not a scary returner. (That was just an example – I have no idea what his KR average is, but I’m sure it’s not that high. You get the point, though.)
Hester isn’t a great kick returner, but he’s a threat. McKelvin is the same type of returner. That’s why Roscoe Parrish is a dangerous kick returner, even if he doesn’t excel at it. It’s about home run potential. And by comparison, McGee only averaged 24 yards per kick return last season. His high was 30 (2005), but he hasn’t had much more than 26 in any other season. But he’s housed it five times. That’s why he’s an elite kick returner.
That’s why I don’t expect McKelvin to struggle if he’s given the chance to return kicks this year. He’s dangerous.
by Brian Galliford on Apr 29, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right
But let me point out that long returns are what makes those averages high. Suppose a player is averaging 25 yards per return through 30 returns. If his 31st return is a 100 yard TD his average bumps up to 27.42 yards per return.
I realize the potential is there, but he only had 1TD in 99 returns. He only had two returns of over 40 yards last season. One was 43 yards (vs. North Texas) and one was 74 (vs. Florida Atlantic). His next longest return was a 34 yard return vs. Arkansas. That 34 yard return was his only return of over 30 yards against a ranked team. Against Florida he had 7 returns for 134 yards. Thats 19.1 yards per return and his longest in that games was 23 yards. His own teamate DuJuan Harris had a 30 yard return that game.
Also Josh Scobey has been a terrible returner. His career average is 22.4 yards. His best season was 2003 when he had 23.1 yards per return. Yet Scobey’s 1 career TD in 184 returns as a professional isn’t too far away from McKelvin’s production in college.
by kaisertown on Apr 29, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some things to potentially consider
Yeah, I agree with you that McKelvin was far from good returning kicks in college. We don’t know if it was due to poor performance by blockers, poor schemes, short kickoffs or just McKelvin not excelling. It could be any or all of those. However, if it’s more due to the first 3 and McKelvin does have some kick return skills, which I imagine he does based on his body of work returning punts, there is absolutely no reason to believe getting coached up by Bobby April won’t have a magnificent effect on him. With our significant emphasis on ST and April’s ability to improve the return teams, why can’t McKelvin excel in the role?
If I recall correctly, McGee was a dynamite punt returner in college and not much of a kick returner coming into the league. Under April, he developed into one of the best in the league. With McKelvin’s speed, athleticism and gamebreaking ability, I have to imagine he has the same opportunity to become an elite kick returner too. Everything sets up nicely for him to become one….
~K
by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do make some good points
especially about Bobby April and the Bills recent history of excellent special teams. I think it is tough to coach a returner though. It seems like instincts are the most important thing for a returner and I can’t imagine April can help McKelvin other than maybe some advice on his first few steps (and I mean steps literally, like running, not as in a process).
I doubt blockers and schemes had much to do with McKelvin’s lack of success. Schemes for kick returns and kick coverage are pretty basic. His blocking might not have been great, but I doubt the kick coverage he was facing was anything special either.
It took me awhile to find this info and I’m not even sure if it is 100% correct, but McGee averaged under 9 yards per punt return in college, which is pretty bad considering he played D-II (McKelvin averaged like 16 yards per punt return last season) and he only returned a handful of kicks his senior season. His old scouting reports all mention that he might have some return skills, but none really claimed that he could become a full-time returner at the next level. That was one of the reasons why it seemed like such an odd pick at the time.
by kaisertown on Apr 30, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roscoe doesn't strike me at very durable.
Didn’t he break his arm in training camp during his rookie year? If(when) he gets another injury it will be nice to just slide McKelvin in and not miss a beat.
Maybe McKelvin won’t be much of a kick returner, but that’s ok. If McKelvin is a first round caliber corner then the Bills would benefit from grooming him that way. McGee is never going to an elite corner. He’s good, but not exactly a #1 corner. McGee also needs to stay out there as our main kick returner.
Putting McKelvin back there as a compliment is fine, but not as a substitute. He, like Roscoe, lacks that lower body strength and tackle breaking ability that McGee has. McKelvin and Parrish are good at punt returns because they’re quick and they use their change of direction and speed to avoid getting touched altogether. As kick returners, even minor contact would slow them down and allow the coverage team to
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