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[editor's note, by Brian Galliford] Geronimo, resident Buffalo Rumblings insider and one of our more tenured posters, kindly offers us his latest opinions and insight as we draw closer to Draft Day. Take it away, G. End Note

Well, there are about two-plus weeks before the NFL Draft and like everybody I am anxious/curious to see how the whole thing turns out. I have not posted here for quite a while and thought it may be useful to prattle on with a few thoughts as to what may be going on at One Bills Drive. Much of this is informed opinion as always - some my own perception.

First, you should all know that there are really only two opinions that will matter on Draft Day. Opinions will have been sought and offered by all of the Bills' scouts, position coaches, and Perry Fewell and Turk Schonert - and they will all have been listened to carefully. But at the end of the day Tom Modrak and Dick Jauron will make every single call. It may surprise you that this is no different than in the past two drafts when Marv Levy was here. Marv had his own opinions, he clearly expressed them and they were valued - but he was NOT doing the picking. He was highly deferential to both Modrak and DJ, and at the end of the day, he treated them much as he would have liked to be treated as a coach when Bill Polian and John Butler were GM. Besides, he and DJ were so philosophically in tune it virtually made no difference.

Modrak and DJ have a superb working relationship. There is a great deal of trust and respect there. MOST importantly, Modrak knows exactly what "type" of player DJ wants - and I am NOT just talking about the character criteria. Modrak knows what skill sets the coaches value at the positional level and will look for guys who may be better here than they would be elsewhere and rank them accordingly. DJ has a lot of confidence in him and it is a good team. Two years' history would tell you that they have a good model for success figured out. If they see a "guy" they like and who really believe in they will go for him. They started calling around looking to move up to get Paul Posluszny exactly one second after they picked Marshawn Lynch last year.

In addition, the Bills could not care less what you think or I think and that goes double for Kiper, Mayock et al. I can quite positively assure you that if Michael Huff had fallen to them in 2006, they still would have taken Donte Whitner. Their only decision at that point was between Donte and Haloti Ngata. Time will tell but I am happy with how that has turned out. You will all recall how they were castigated by the experts in that draft. Imagine the furor if they had passed on Huff, who is now being shopped by the Raiders.

Another thing - if they think the Board is not going their way, they may reach just a tad for need. The trade up to get John McCargo in 2006 is a good case in point. It was likewise controversial. At that point, OBD desperately needed a DT. Now not only do they have a "Master Board" with all players available, they have a positional Board for every position. They saw that McCargo, who they had as a low first/top second guy, was at least two rounds better ranked than the next DT. Were they right? Well, it took an amazing 42 more picks before the next DT (Claude Wroten) was selected, so they had that nailed. Was McCargo worth it? Throw out the injured first year, but we saw glimpses last year of how quick and disruptive he can be. With Marcus Stroud here I expect to see really, really nice things from him this year.

The front office loves FOOTBALL players. I can tell you that their draft grades are based 90% on college production. They do not put much weight at all in the combine or pro days. It is all about what you see on tape. The game is played in pads and that is what they value.

What does all of this mean in terms of the Draft? I will post closer to the draft with some thoughts, but would it surprise you to know that tough guys like CB Brandon Flowers and TE John Carlson may have a higher spot at OBD than elsewhere?

I am really pumped about this year's draft, and highly confident in the team running it.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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Flowers
Flowers fits the Bills mold perfectly and why I like him so much.  I think he has to be a DJ prototype.  Tough, physical, good tackler, could play ST' if needed, and he will play his spot in the Tampa 2 very well.  They want to get more physical and bigger and Flowers plays very big.  I saw him make a ton of big hits and he takes down big RB's and TE's by going low and is not afraid of contact.  He would add what Your-booty lacks.  Since they don't play a lot of man to man, they want secondary guys that will make WR's pay.  I love Flowers.  Not sure where he will go, but if you can get him in Round 2 I think it is a huge steal.

Love the info on Modrak and DJ.  They know whats up.  I hate all the speculation of the draft.  I know its the nature of the media to give draft grades the day after the draft but seriously no one really knows.  But the tape doesn't lie.  Which is why although all of you probably disagree I don't think guys stock moves up and down as much as you think.  All that happens in months leading up to the draft is watching tape and making the board.  GUYS do not, do not, move up rounds based on a 40 time.  Makes no sense at all.  Tape does not lie.  Never will.  Character doesn't lie either.  

Great stuff as always Geronimo

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 8, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Like McCargo...
They could decide to trade back into the first or high second to take Flowers. Allen Wilson of the Buffalo News said on nfl.com he saw us picking him at #11, but I'm not sure the value is there, at least in terms of him being there later.
I also love the idea of a guy who is hitting people out there. We need some scary players out there and we have some now in Poz, and Stroud, but in the secondary, the only "hitter" might be Whitner who unfortunately is forced to be all over the place and has to positioned himself to be cracking WRs and too small at this point to stifle TEs and RBs, although he is coming into the all important third year.
This all comes down to trust, and we as fans should trust DJ and MOdrak as they have given us two strong drafts, now they put some good FAs on defense and after this draft, if it goes well, a solid D we will have
You can never have too many corners or ends.

by De-fense on Apr 8, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it goes well, a solid D we will have
Very "yoda-esque".  I'm thinking we could pick up Chewbacca as a pass rushing end in the 4th round. - ;)

by jj24 on Apr 9, 2008 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing new...................
I enjoy your accurate information and keeping us up to date Geronimo! However, if you are a diehard Bills fan, you must know that Modrak and DJ make the final decision come draft day. I value the way that they put their boards together and the picks they make, but sometimes I am left scratching my head. (Whitner)

Huff plays for the Raiders and that team simply ruins good players. I would love to see us send a third or a fourth to them for Huff. He is a great athlete that doesn't do well in man coverage.

My dream draft scenario would have us drafting DRC at #11 and trading up to snag Hardy in the very early second. This not only brings size to both positions in dire need of it, but it brings excellent speed and return ability. I think this is one of the more crucial drafts in recent memory. For I believe that we are only a couple of players away from a great team and a bright future!

I am a huge Bills fan! Have been since I was 5! I miss the good old days with Marv, Bruce, Talley, Ballard, Hull, Reed, Lofton and Thurman!

by cutter3232 on Apr 8, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to high I hope
I would be disappointed if Flowers was our 1st round pick or if Carlson was our 2nd round pick.

by Joe P. on Apr 8, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too...
I could see both being available in the next round. Carlson could even be available in the 4th. If we want Flowers, I have to imagine we'd look to trade down at least 10-12 spots.
~K

by Kurupt on Apr 8, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff Geronimo
as always. Thanks for stopping in.

Any trade rumors swirling around OBD for veterans, especially at WR or even Lito Shephard?? Any idea what the feeling about trading down is this year? I would think if we don't take a Harvey or someone who drops from the top 10 that our best value and smartest move would be trade down and take our WR or CB. If they really like Flowers, it'd be stupid not to trade down. He's not going to be a top 20 pick.

I know you want to keep your identity confidential for obvious reasons, but I'm just curious as to what kind of role you play in the org. Do you take part in player evaluation? Part of the business side of things? Pizza delivery guy? You seem to have good knowledge of the happenings inside the 'war room', so I'm guessing you are part of the football operations side in some way. Thanks for the info again and I'm looking forward to you posting closer to the Draft. If you want and have the chance, we'd all love to hear how Draft Day at OBD goes down from the inside. I'd love to hear some stories following Draft weekend...

~K

by Kurupt on Apr 8, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Responses
First---to preceeding respondeees: PLEASE do not infer that because they like Flowers and Carlson that they will be our first and second round picks!! I was trying to make a larger point as to the type of guys OBD likes. I will try and post closer to the draft with some real predictions.

Korupt--I cannot talk about the source of my info but am not paid by the Bills in any way or capacity. My sources, however, are impeccable and I can only share what I am able.

I have not hear anything about trading for veterans at this point. I have read, like all of you, all of the rumours surrounding Lito and put little or no stock in them at the moment. Salary issues.

Yes, I think that they would LOVE to trade down from #11, and then be in a position to move back up again if they see one of their "guys" becoming available late in round #1 or the top of #2.

How the new ten minute rule on first round selections will affect this will be interesting. The feeling at OBD and elsewhere is that there will be more 'eve of the draft deals" made than ever before. Contingency deals---such as "If so and so is available at #11, then we will deal you XX and XX picks."

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 8, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks
And all this time I thought or at least assumed you were a Bills employee. It makes more sense that you are willing to give us some info in light of that. I'm thinking the trade down scenario will become very real come Draft day. It's our best option if we plan to take a WR or CB in round 1. It'd also give us the chance to move back into the 1st for a player, as you mentioned. I'm guessing the 10 minutes per pick thing may not last all that long if trading becomes difficult. I bet you are right on the contingency trades. I could see a team like Detroit or Arizona getting a deal done before the draft assuming Mendenhall is available at our pick. Or Philly and an OT, or Minnesota and a DE, etc.
~K

by Kurupt on Apr 8, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geronimo
The stuff you bring us is always awesome, thanks for the heads up on whats going down at ODB.

Since the Bills believe in college tape more than workouts (and I agree with this 100%, tape doesn't lie) I have a question.

How much do they like Jordy Nelson if you know? I think that kid could come in and be very successful with this team and be a great on and off field leader for us in the years to come.

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Apr 8, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geronimo...
Just wanted to say thank you for posting what you can. I find your posts interesting and find myself searching both here and buffalobills.com for your posts.  I think Buffalo is building there team correctly with DJ "type" guys. I think thsi will lead to long-term success and we are very close to being a good team. I think we all know the high charachter this team has already showed. As far as the draft goes do you think there is any chance to draft owen schmidt from wv. I know they are committed to using a true fullback this year and I think he is one hell of a football player. And as kurupt posted...I'd love to hear any stories from inside the bills draft room. Looking forward to your next post!

by RustyJones on Apr 8, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

pre-draft day deals
That is a very solid point regarding the 10 mins.  How the top 10 picks unfold will ultimately determine what the Bills will do.  The "experts" said the Bills could have traded down in 2006 and still go Whitner.  Who really knows?  I assume they probably could have in hind sight as there were trades, i.e. Denver moving up to grab Cutler.  But, the right offer will have to be there and it will have to unfold to the liking of a team to move up and maybe grab Rashard Mendenhall or someone of that ilk.

Trading out is scenario #1.

Geronimo, as far as Flowers & Carlson I get what you were saying there.  I just really love Flowers and think he would be a great fit if he is available at the right "value."  I think we all have a feel for the type of players the Bills like at this point.  So, I am guessing we will nab 2 guys in our first two picks that will contribute right away, and probably most "experts" won't agree, but those players will fit the Bills mold and that is all that matters.  We just have to hope that rounds 3-7 add some much needed depth to this team.  I know all this focus is on #11, but the rest of the draft is so important to this team's future.  

Getting guys like Butler, Simpson, Edwards, Kyle Williams in later rounds is so valuable to building a team

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 8, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

To MARVelous
The Bills really thought the Ravens were gonna take Donte in 2006, but like you say--we'll never really know.

If we do not trade out at #11, and this is their clear preference, I strongly believe that the pick will be Kelley. I know there is a lot of legitimate history that says a WR has less chance of producing year one than any other postion other than QB--but the reality is that the Bills do not have a need at WR--they have a desperate need. Other than Lee we do not even have an experienced WR on the roster. Reed and Roscoe are both slot guys and as you saw all of last year simply cannot get off the line as a WR. The risk to OBD in passing on what is clearly the best WR available is simply too great.

They do not like Sweed at all, and there are mixed feelings at OBD on Hardy. The kid from Michigan State has played but one year. Now Manningham says he was busted 3 times at Mich. for marijuana??

The experts will say it's not good value for Kelley at #11--he's a #15-#30 guy--but OBD really, really likes him. He had a great meeting here and checks out medically. I trust DJ and Modrak.

If this happened and we got Flowers in the 2nd--I'd be happy.

You are entirely right though about the 3rd-7th round picks. I think Modrak and DJ have done a GREAT job there in the last two years, and have no reason to think that will not continue.

I do think we will end up taking two WRS and two CBs.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 8, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Kelly at 11
What if the Bengals take him at #9?
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 8, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
From what Geronimo is saying, it sounds like Kelly is the only WR that the entire organization likes. What if we do trade down and someone else takes Kelly ahead of us? Do they go Thomas, reach for Hardy or take a CB? I still hope we trade down about 5-7 picks and grab Kelly. Any idea how far they're willing to trade down? Why don't they like Sweed at all? Seems like he's a good kid, works hard and has talent. I wonder if they like Jordy Nelson in round 2. Besides WR and apparently CB, what positions could you see the Bills going after in round 1 or 2 if not both of those?
~K

by Kurupt on Apr 8, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE:
That is the vibe I keep getting is that they just like him too much.  And that had to be the backup plan after looking at the FA WR crop.  I mean for the last 2 years a WR has been a major priority for the Bills and they have neglected it.  At some point you have to fill that need.  Plus, when you get the opportunity to fill a need position and have YOUR pick of WR's it is a great deal.

I think the Bengals sniffing around Kelly is a bunch of smoke.  

Just based on the last 2 years I see no reason for Kelly not to be the pick if they have to pick at #11.  Last year, I tried to talk myself out of Lynch due to the "off-field" concerns, and this year people are trying to give Kelly the "knee issues" concerns.  

Geronimo, can you answer one for thing?  What is the feeling at OBD on a pass-catching TE?  Is the needs of OBD....1) WR 2) CB 3) TE?  Or do they feel comfortable with the guys they have?  

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 8, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

On TE
OBD has stated several times that they need to make serious acquisitions at TE.  If a TE isn't picked in the first 4 rounds, I'd be shocked.
Anti-CB

by Kumario! on Apr 9, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Priorities
I also agree that the Bengals sniffing around Kelly is smoke. It could well be that Ellis falls to them---and they would be insane to pass on him.

I think you have OBD's priorities exactly in order. WR, CB and then TE. I love Jabari Greer's attitude, hustle, enthusiasm and toughness. But please do not confuse this with production. He is not even close to being an every down CB. We really need one.

Yes--they would like an up-the field TE who could keep the safety off of Lee. And give Trent another weapon. I think this is the best TE draft in years but they will not force the issue. For example--they had Trent with a low first round, top second round grade last year. When he was there in the third it was simply too good to resist no matter that there was no perceived need. Those kinds of moves rarely fail.

In terms of filling the WR need over the past two years. They made a BIG push for B. Johnson and offered more than anywhere else. He and his agent took the one-year deal route, however, and that was that. That was understandably not tenable to OBD.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 8, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Question
Plan A: Trade down.

Plan B: Unless a player like Vernon Gholston or Sedrick Ellis miraculously falls to #11, draft Malcolm Kelly at #11.

Plan C: ???

Thanks!

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 8, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the DE contingent
Do have any input on how OBD feels about the need at DE?  To the media, they have been seen to not show much interest, and that's even apparent in Chris Brown's blog, BUT that leads me even more to believe that it may be a big smoke screen.  What do you think?
Anti-CB

by Kumario! on Apr 9, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good insight
I guess bottom line, with Marv bowing out, and even with Ralph at his age, OBD definitively has their ducks in a row.  They had a FA plan that they stuck to and filled some needs that way through a trade and aquiring Spencer Johnson and Stroud, and they tried with "Panda" Bryant Johnson and it didn't work out.  What I like is that they don't make rash moves due to outside perception or agent/player demands.  They just move on to plan B, C, D, etc.

I for one would rather have a pass-catching TE and then a top corner, say McKelvin if he fell to us at #11 and then grab best available TE in Round #1.  But, whatever the value is I'll take it.  Having Geronimo come and validate the thinking at OBD, makes me feel even more confident about their personnel savvy and that this thing is headed in the right direction.  

I'm sure there will be a lot of trade talk, smoke, and all that leading up to the draft which is btw, only 18 days away!

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 8, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Geronimo
just wondering about the dislike of sweed and what you think about someone like  jerome simpson in 4th and also will they address center early second day

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 8, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Piggie-backing thatguy
First, thank you Geronimo, for making at least one ignorant (albeit diehard) Bills fan less so.  Same  goes for the triumvirate, et al.  

That said, if you are still around in the next couple of days, do you have the time/slash knowledge to provide any insight into what the Bills are looking for in the later rounds.  To clarify, we all believe that ODB will be looking at FB and DE for instance, but I am personally curious as to whether their "desperate need" at WR means they are looking at another guy after their initial wideout pick.  Any word on WR targets in the 3rd to 7th rounds?

 

I'm the jolly little baker and you'll find me on the label of Kaufman's Rye Bread

by DCRumbler on Apr 8, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Geronimo is our
Deep Throat. Great stuff. The more I read his comments the more I respect Tom Modrak's abilities.
Based on these comments I still say OBD goes Kelly with 11. Unless someone very interesting falls. If they trade down they won't get Kelly.
I do hope they go TE (Bennett) with the second. My question to Geronimo is how does OBD rate the TE's? Does any one or two stick out?  

by keuka121 on Apr 9, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Somehow
I picture him younger than Hal Holbrook.
Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 9, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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