Losman is Backup Plan A for Buffalo
I don't like opening up the volatile can of worms that is (and has been for quite some time) the quarterback situation in Buffalo very often. For some reason, even when we're certain who the team's starting quarterback is, there's still controversy. But today, I have to bring it up. Why? Well, Jerry Sullivan started it.
This past January, Buffalo Bills quarterback J.P. Losman made it known that he'd like to be traded at the team's earliest convenience. Approximately four months later, that still has not happened. When Losman made his trade "demand" (can a player really "demand" to be traded if they have no say in the decision?), his agent also made it clear that Losman would honor the final year of his contract - the 2008-09 season - if the Bills were unable or unwilling to deal their 2004 first-round pick.
So as it stands right now (and things could definitely change before training camp and the end of the pre-season), Losman will be a Bill in 2008, likely serving as the backup to second-year starter Trent Edwards. That thought seems to be rather perturbing to Mr. Sullivan. I can't figure out why, even after his latest quarterback rant.
Before I get into my issues with Sullivan's remarks, here's one good point that he makes about the situation:
It’s unfair to Edwards, who doesn’t need Losman hanging over his shoulder for a second year.
That's true - but it's not true in Buffalo's locker room. It is plainly obvious that Trent Edwards is the starting quarterback. Any Bills fan that pays attention is aware of that, and the Bills themselves are aware of it. If there is any whiff of quarterback controversy next year, two things have happened - Edwards has gotten hurt and the media is firing up their favorite paper-selling tool: quarterback controversy. If Edwards is healthy for 16 games, then he will start 16 games. Why? Because that's exactly what Losman himself did in 2006, and it's exactly what he would have done last season had he not gotten hurt.
Edwards will be fine. Losman will clearly want to be on the field, but he won't get there unless #5 is injured. Jauron has proven he can stick behind a healthy young signal-caller once in his tenure here; why on earth wouldn't it happen again? Losman likely won't be a problem, either; Sullivan himself admits that Losman was a "good soldier" after his demotion last year. That's about where Sullivan's good ideas end.
The big myth is that Losman could save the Bills’ playoff hopes if Edwards falters or gets hurt. But again, if Losman is such a prized asset, how come he’s still here? How come almost every other NFL team has filled its need at both starting quarterback and backup?
Sullivan explores literally every other possible explanation to Losman's still being on the roster other than it being the Bills' preference. No one wants him. No one would offer anything substantial in return. Nobody has enough faith in him to warrant trading for him, even as a backup. He even makes the claim that the Bills might not be totally set on Edwards as their starter, which is why they're keeping Losman around.
No one is insinuating that Losman can be the savior of this team should Edwards go down. Not one single person. But he has a better chance of doing it than any other backup quarterback currently available. But Sullivan disagrees with that assessment, too:
For the overall good, they should get him out of here, one way or another. I don’t care who’s the backup: Daunte Culpepper, Byron Leftwich, a free-agent rookie. Anything is better than another year of Losman.
Pardon me for saying so, but that's just ridiculously biased. We're talking about a guy (Culpepper) who has had serious knee injuries and couldn't hold onto a starting job in Oakland last year... with Josh McCown as his main challenger. And I hardly need to remind Falcons fans of Leftwich's inability to hold off Chris Redman in Atlanta last year. But yeah, let's sign them right up if it means Sullivan's wishes come true. These are terrible quarterbacks, folks. Losman isn't a gem himself, but he knows this team, he knows the system, and he's ready for one more year in Buffalo.
The fact of the matter is that no matter what Lee Evans believes, Losman is a backup. That's not going to change. If Edwards gets hurt (deities forbid) and Losman performs even adequately, that's a good thing for the Bills - whether or not Evans starts campaigning for a Losman promotion again or not. Ultimately, this argument rests squarely on the shoulders of one Dick Jauron. Stick by your starter, coach, and media attempts to create controversy like Mr. Sullivan did today will be for naught.
There. I'm done talking quarterbacks for a while. Local media should try the same tactic.
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let just say that the picture you selected for this article is literally how I will always remember JP in my mind when I think of his time with the Bills.
That aside, I’m a big Trent Edwards fan, I won’t apologize for it, and as soon as he came close to resembling a starter I was ready for anyone that wasn’t JP as well. But, I will reluctantly say this, sometimes I wonder how things could have been different if JP was given a chance to play with the kinds of weapons that Trent will next year. Trent will have Freddie, Marshawn, Lee, and Hardy. Now, am I saying that JP could do a better job than Trent, no. I believe Trent is a smarter QB and has what you look for in a long term QB, patience and poise (i’m not going to get into an argument with people who say his checking down every play and dumping is not poise or patience because it certainly is for a rookie who could have just been slinging interceptions and incompletes instead). I’m simply saying that maybe if JP had played with talent his value to other teams would have been perceived to be much higher. The kid definitely had his opportunities to prove himself many many times and he has no excuses but that doesn’t mean he didn’t get a train of bad breaks either.
It doesn’t really matter to me if JP is around or not in the locker room. The team is undergoing a youth movement and has already moved into the next era that doesn’t include JP. This is not the same team that he was the leader of. Whether or not he stays or goes, the team has already gotten on a new train and he didn’t have a ticket. Mentality wise, JP is already gone so it won’t affect the team one bit if he’s there physically.
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on
May 1, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
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I agree with your assessment, poz, and let me just say: I do NOT want this to turn into a JP vs. Trent thread worthy only of message boards. Let’s leave Edwards mostly out of this if we can, because we KNOW he is the starter.
This is about Losman as the team’s backup in 2008, and that’s it. I don’t see how that is a bad thing, ESPECIALLY considering the alternatives. I also don’t see Losman being a problem in the locker room. I view Sullivan’s article as an attempt to spark the QB controversy all over again, and for me (and hopefully for a lot of Bills fans), it isn’t working.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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absolutely
the one thing about Edwards that is worth mentioning is that he has been a starter for 5 years (4 at Stanford and 1 in Buffalo) and he has only made it through ONE season without missing games due to injury. I would say that there is a great chance that Losman sees time next season. Last year 73 different quartbacks attempted at least 10 passes. 51 QBs attempted over 100 passes.
by kaisertown on
May 1, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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But
on the other hand you did take the bait and write about it!
Bills Fan in PA
by BILLS on
May 1, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Mentality wise he’ll be preparing as if he’s the starter. Losman believes that he is starting QB material in this league and this year will be his last chance to show teams that. He’s going to make the most of his opportunity this year to do just that because Edwards isn’t the healthiest and will probably go down at some point this season. Also, he’s only a second year QB that’s only started half a season. He’s bound to struggle and Jauron might pull him depending on how the season is going. Who knows, we might even blow out some teams and Losman could see some garbage time. The fact of the matter is he’s our best option as a number two.
by Scotty P on
May 1, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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This is exactly what this team or Edwards don’t need right now. It is a young team trying to gain an identity. Edwards need a mentor. Someone to help him grow at the position. Not someone trying to chop him down in order to fulfill his ego. This image of Edwards having a noodle arm and being fragile is one drawn up by the Losman supporters. Let it go and Losman too.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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I definitely understand what you’re saying but the fact is that there aren’t any guys like that available right now in free agency. Culpepper and Leftwich to name a few still think that they can start in this league too and would view the situation similar to how Losman probably does. I’m not partial to Losman or Edwards. I just want to see the Bills have a winning season and get to the playoffs. What if Edwards stinks it up out of the gate and we get blown out the first three weeks? Would you really want to sit there the rest of the season watching Edwards struggle the rest of the season when you know the Bills are on the cusp of the playoffs on paper with the talent we’ve added this offseason? I hope Edwards does well so we don’t ever have to revisit this ever again, but this is definitely a possibility we all have to realize. We only scored offensive touchdowns in half the games he started last year.
by Scotty P on
May 1, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Really good stuff Brian
(can a player really “demand” to be traded if they have no say in the decision?)
Sure, a player can demand a trade like a child can demand that mom buys them a candy bar everytime they go to the supermarket or a toy everytime they go to the mall. The only leverage those kids have is that they are less work when they are happy, and when they throw a fit it embarrases the mother. A player under contract (especially if the player is in the last year of the contract) has a similiar amount of leverage. They can threaten to not play or whine and pout and become just a hassle in general.
JP Losman has done nothing at all to lead me to believe that he will be a problem. JP has tried his hardest to be a good player and teammate since the moment the Bills took him. It’s too bad it never worked out.
I’m really surprised that Sullivan didn’t mention that Losman’s trade value is substantially lower than it would be if he had more than one season left on his contract. If JP had 3 years left at a reasonable price, a team probably would have been willing to give up a high 3rd round pick for him. But what is the point of trading for a QB in the last year of his contract? It is a double edged sword, if he can’t earn playing time for whatever reason (doesn’t pick up the system quick enough or gain chemistry with WRs quick enough, the team decides to go with the younger QB with more “potential” or decides to stick with the vet who “knows how to win games”) then he leaves after the season without giving you anything in return. If he earns playing time and perfroms poorly, he leaves and all the fans wonder what the team was thinking. If he earns playing time and does well, then you have to let him walk, angering fans, or give him some big contract that all QBs seem to get. Guys like Billy Volek (3 years 9 mil), Todd Collins (3 years 9 mil), Josh McCown (2 years 6.5 mil), Cleo Lemon (3 years 8.9 mil), Chris Redman (2 years 5 mil) and even Trent Green (3 years 8.9 mil) are getting WAY overpaid. Imagine what some team would have to give Losman if he came in for an injured starter and led a team to a .500 record. If a team traded for Losman and he completed almost 60% of his passes and threw more TDs than INTs a team would be stuck giving him a stupid contract like 4 years 14 mil or something similarly ridiculous.
by kaisertown on
May 1, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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JP Losman has done nothing at all to lead me to believe that he will be a problem. JP has tried his hardest to be a good player and teammate since the moment the Bills took him.
Are you kidding me? He was such a good teammate, that he tried to divide the locker room. Did you ever see this good teammate on the sideline during games trying to give Trent some advice. No! He was always shown sitting on the end of the bench holding a football waiting for the coaching staff to call his number. Then at the end of the season a statement came from his lawyer asking to be traded. If Losman is your definition of a good teammate, I’d love to hear what you think of Ocho Cinco.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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I actually saw him talking to Edwards and Steve Fairchild quite frequently at home games. He wasn’t a problem. If you saw him at the end of the bench, you probably saw him because whoever was covering the game on TV was talking about him being benched and wanted to frame it nicely.
Losman may not have been a good teammate in your eyes, but he wasn’t a BAD one either. In no way did he “try” to divide the locker room – we’re only led to believe that because of a few comments Evans made that were blasted in the media. Divided locker rooms don’t play their hearts out week in and week out. Divided locker rooms don’t start 1-4 and rebound to nearly make the playoffs. It just doesn’t happen. There was no division last year, as Sullivan and others would lead you to believe.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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Brian, it wasn’t just Evans, Whitner chided in as well until he realized that maybe the coaches were right . When Evans made his comments, Losman could have doused the fire by simply saying that the coaches made their decision based on my play, I have to live with it for now, I will get better. Instead, he got in front of the media saying that Evans was a good friend of his and Evans had his own opinions. Simply put he could have asked Lee not to say anything about the situation and let his play dictate the solution. Let’s not forget “the owner is making the decisions on this team” crap. Maybe he wasn’t trying to be devisive, but there wasn’t much solidarity on his part either.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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I can agree with that. But Sullivan’s argument is that Losman is a locker room cancer because he’ll want to start this year. Culpepper and Leftwich would come to Buffalo with the same idea in their head. It doesn’t make sense to me, then, why he’d prefer those guys over Losman.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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I don’t know. Maybe because they did have some success in the league.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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True, but not recently. Losman is younger than both. Healthier than both. More mobile than both. A better option than both. We are talking about a backup here… ideally, they’d never see the field.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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in JPs defense
He had finally gotten his chance to prove himself and it all got taken away in a heartbeat. He never said Lee was right he just said that he had his own opinions and that was because JP knew that he had earned the chance to compete last season. Sure it didn’t work out that way, and I love Trent, but I think JP did pretty good under the circumstances.
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on
May 1, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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Which circumstances are you referring to? Not having enough playmakers/weapons? Plain and simple, he couldn’t read defenses!! He didn’t how to take what the defense was giving him.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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Again… the point of this thread was NOT to bash Losman or Edwards. It’s about Losman as a backup. If you want to make the argument that you’d prefer Culpepper or Leftwich a la Sullivan, that’s perfectly acceptable.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
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I don’t want either of those 2. Poz had the perfect scenario in my opinion, Brunell, but what about a David Carr or Kerry Collins. Simply because they would assume a backup role.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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I’m not sure what the situation with Collins is, but thankfully, David Carr signed with the Giants. I can’t believe he’d be a consideration… that guy is awful.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
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Which circumstances are you referring to?
I think he was refering to the circumstances surrounding his demotion after he returned from injury. Right Poz?
it just feels like it is impossible to talk quarterbacks without people bashing Losman for a variety of things.
by kaisertown on
May 1, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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thats it kaiser
exactly what i was referring to. And I stand by that, considering the circumstances of his demotion, he handled it better than many other athletes would have. Thanks for clarifying kaiser.
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on
May 1, 2008 7:04 PM EDT
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yeah that's what I thought
I saw him talking to Trent and the coaches from time to time. The only times they showed JP on TV was probably when the offense was out on the field. Why else would they be talking about JP?
What did JP ever do to try and divide the locker room? I thought all his soundbites after the demotion and after Evans’ comments were VERY tame.
Comparing Losman to Chad Johnson is laughable. Both players asked for a trade, but have nothing else in common. Look at the way both players went about asking for a trade. Losman had his agent call the Bills. The Bills and Losman both said it happened, but neither side had much to say about it. Johnson went on a series of national shows, both televised and on the radio and said that the Bengals coaches didn’t like him. He said on the Jim Rome show that the only players on the entire team who “had his back” were Carson Palmer and TJ Houshmandzadeh. Johnson has said repeatedly that the team has treated him badly and that he will sit out this season. JP hasn’t said anything bad about the Bills as an organization or about any of the players. He has said repeatedly that he is going to honor his contract and play out the season.
by kaisertown on
May 1, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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That’s because JP and his agent know that they have not a leg to stand on while 85 and Rosenhaus know that Dallas, Washington, Raiders, etc will swoop him up in a NY minute. If JP had a career like Favre and was in a contract dispute, then you would see the fangs.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
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Well given the situation that he’s actually in, based on that logic, why would Losman be a problem this season?
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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In response to Kaisertown
I have to go mow the lawn now. Great debate though. I’ll respond to comments later.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
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So?
how do you know that and why is it at all relative to what we are talking about?
And what fangs, Losman knows he is going to have to start his career over again somewhere. He is going to leave Buffalo and sign somewhere else where he will have to learn a new playbook and meet new teamates and beat out different QBs for playing time. I think Losman just wants that to happen sooner rather than later. This isn’t a contract dispute.
JP wasn’t a problem last season and won’t be a problem this year. If he was going to cause trouble, he would be doing it already.
by kaisertown on
May 1, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
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‘Then at the end of the season a statement came from his lawyer asking to be traded. If Losman is your definition of a good teammate, I’d love to hear what you think of Ocho Cinco.’
Losman actually stopped speaking to the press entireiy for the last few weeks of the season, just to avoid this sort of thing. His trade request, no where did he ever say ‘demand’, came 3 weeks AFTER the season was over.
by Thronsen on
May 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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Sully's on the money
This team needs a Frank Reich. Someone who knows their role and loved it. Reich knew that he had a snowballs chance in hell to be the starter in Buffalo, but came and practiced like he was. Reich was the QB of the greatest comeback in NFL history, but knew that when Kelly was healthy he was going back to the bench. He didn’t pout or cry that he should be given the opportunity to unseat the incumbent, he knew his role. He didn’t sit at the end of the bench during games. He looked for things the opposing teams defenses were doing so that he can give Kelly a heads up in case Jim wasn’t aware. Edwards need this type of player/coach to help him excel in the league. Is it Culpepper or Leftwich? I don’t know, but I do know that it isn’t Losman.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Yeah, having a Reich would be nice. But do you know how incredibly rare a player like Frank Reich is? I can only think of a few backup quarterbacks in the league who are “happy” or “comfortable” with their situation – Aaron Rodgers (last year behind Favre, anyways), Jim Sorgi, Matt Cassel. They back up the greats. Kelly was a great. No quarterback is going to come here to back up Edwards unless they’re ancient – they’re coming here maybe to help, but definitely to play, as it would appear likely (to them) that Edwards gives them a good shot at playing time.
How is Sully on the money? Losman will be out of town this time next year at the latest, and Edwards will be fine in the meantime provided he stays healthy. So we trade a quarterback, replace him with the choice rotten banana from the garbage heap, and we still hope to hell that Edwards doesn’t go down. Nothing changes, except we lose a little experience with our offensive system. That’s a negative. Losman needs to be here unless some team gets desperate enough to reach in a trade for him. It’s as simple as that.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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He's no Frank Reich
And I know he’s old but he’s been successful, can be a heck a mentor, and would be serviceable in a pinch. That man is…...Mark Brunell. eh….anyone?
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on
May 1, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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he would've been perfect
But he signed with the Saints. It’s a better situation for him though. Great starting QB on a decent team in a average division. They have a quarterback friendly coach and good weapons to work with. Warm weather too.
by kaisertown on
May 1, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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too bad
thanks for the info kaiser. Some how I have to wonder how the Bills didn’t get involved in the aging QBs that have been signed. Trent Green was expensive i know but David Carr was around I believe and some others. Strange they didn’t at least, publicly, try.
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on
May 1, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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Yikes
I don’t want David Carr anywhere near Buffalo unless he’s starting for the other team. Did you see him play at all last year?
by Scotty P on
May 1, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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haha
David Carr had 73 completions out of 136 attempts (53.7%). He threw 3 TDs and 5 INTs. In 5 starts Carr threw for 579 yards (115.8 per game) and averaged 4.7 yards per attempt.
by kaisertown on
May 1, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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Carr
and those numbers don’t even tell half the story with him last year. What a bum
~K
by Kurupt on
May 1, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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i know
last year was awful for him but lets not forget those years when he looked a lot like JP down in Texas. he showed promise then, who knows what happened last year, its not like the Panthers have an option not named steve smith
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on
May 1, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
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You know, if you’re looking for someone with experience, someone that can be a mentor, and knows the system, but won’t actually need to take the field, I’ve got the perfect person: Alex Van Pelt.
Oh, wait…
by Krenn on
May 1, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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I don’t remember David Garrard or Matt Schaub whining about playing time. Were Byron Leftwich and Mike Vick greats? Kurt Warner right now is a better QB than Matt Leinart, but he will constantly tell you that he is the backup period. I would like a veteran QB on the team that knows how to read a NFL defense as opposed to one that knows the”system” What good is knowing the “system” if you can’t read the defense in front of you.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
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I will give you your Losman arguments. I can’t argue them.
As for Garrard and Schaub, no, they didn’t complain, but they were different situations. Leftwich and Vick were Top Ten picks. And I don’t remember Losman “whining” about playing time either. Clearly, he felt like he’d been robbed of it, but he never said “I should be on the field” or anything resembling that. Losman isn’t a problem…
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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Charlie Batch
Charlie Batch in Pittsburgh is the only other guy I would term a true “Backup’s Backup” He has been in the league long enough to know he will never start, but is always ready to help his team out. He has seen everything, been through everything and isn’t fazed by it. He also can play well enough in spurts to keep at .500 or better if their starter goes down.
Sadly, the Bills couldn’t offer enough to Pittsburgh to pry him away as he is the only guy out there I would like to see backup Trent other than JP. I like JP as backup for 2 reasons. 1- He is already here, and with the team, and knows everything they want to do on offense, no learning curve. 2- The guy has taken the “good soldier” route to this situation, came right out and said he would honor the contract if he couldn’t be traded. He didn’t demand as much as request one anyhow. As it stands, when he hits FA next year, any team getting him knows that as long as the situation is spelled out to him, he will do his job within the confines of his contract and the agreed upon situation. Not a bad thing for him, or the Bills this season.
Now, where does this leave us? Well, unless the Bills believe Luke Drone is better than Hamdan, we will keep JP until end of year when he becomes a FA, and we check the market again of second tier talent there. Also, there will be some decent college QBs coming out next draft that could be capable backups, especially if Trent plays all 16 games and does OK-Well on the field. Then the team will go with a Rook, and either Drone or Hamdan.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on
May 1, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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Reich
1st Kelly was on the team before Reich as the “established QB”. Reich was a great back up and knew his role was backing up Kelly. But when Reichs contract was up, He left for the jets and then carolina to get a starting gig.
That situation is not even close to the losman vs. trent.
Would you rather win one superbowl or Lose four in a row? Which defines your teams place in history more ... 1yr wonder or Perennially 2nd best?
by Rudy916 on
May 1, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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Good grief, Sully
Losman may not be setting the NFL on fire, but he’s not as bad as you’re making him out to be. He’s actually a pretty good backup QB compared to other backup QB’s around the league. Don’t sell him short just because he didn’t work out here as a starter (apart from 2006). I still love the deep ball he throws, even though I don’t like other parts of his game.
The history of the NFL shows a lot of QB’s less talented than J.P. – give the guy the benefit of the doubt as a backup QB, I’m going to.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on
May 1, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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Losman is a goof sport
And frankly, I still think he can be a good player in this league. Lets just all see what happens during the preseason and then leave it at that. I think Edwards is good, and I think JP has struggled to get his game on track. Why is just speculation, but as Brian said, JP will be the back up barring injury, and unless he comes in early in the year and brings us to the playoffs, he’ll be gone.
Beat the Pats
by De-fense on
May 1, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
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A few thoughts/observations
There is nothing like the mere mention of “JP” to get the joint roiling. By and large I agree that JP as backup is a good thing for this year. All of the reasons have been mentioned astutely by others-i won’t repeat them. I do know that JP still feels somehow that he was “wronged’ and is still hacked off. I am also reasonably sure that intellectually (if not viscerally) he knows that his best chance for redemption in 2009-is to practice and study hard—something he has always done, and if/when TE goes down, to be ready to step in. I do know that the coaching staff feels he is by far their best alternative for this year. I think he will be a good trooper.
Only one thing concerns me-and it is that I really feel that TE needs a veteran mentor. I do not have a name in mind-but it was not clear to me at all last year that he had a “go-to” guy when things got rough. Particularly being thrust into the starting role so early. Much of this I lay at the feet of Fairchild and a hurt/frustrated/angry JP. The people at OBD would say that the combination of Turk and Van Pelt have been acting in this role since the season ended and weight training started. I trust them—but I do wonder.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on
May 1, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
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Thank You Geronimo
I’m glad that I wasn’t the only one who noticed a hurt/frustrated/angry JP and that trying to mentor Trent was the furthest thing from his mind. He just wanted his job back.
by the Skycap on
May 1, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Good post, G. As far as a mentor goes, I really think that Alex Van Pelt’s influence on Trent will be felt. I feel much more strongly about AVP as our quarterbacks coach than I did about Turk…
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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Losman/Edwards: Embrace the QB questions, Brian
I’m not a Losman fan-really. I think he has a lot of talent, is team player, and real good guy and everything, but all excuses aside (and JP has some valid ones in his star-crossed career), what I want most out of a QB in terms of attributes is points. JP Losman-led teams failed to consistently put up points and by the Jacksonville game last year, I was ready to turn the page on Losman (and still am). On the other hand, here’s what I like about Trent Edwards: he’s 24. Other than his youth, I have never been more annoyed by QB play in Buffalo than what I watched out of Trent Edwards last season. He led the team to touchdowns in only 4 games out of 9 as a starter. He was lauded for his game management skills, yet the 4th quarter interceptions he threw against Dallas and Baltimore were beyond stupid- almost Aaron Brooks-esque- making the ambiguous “management” praise he received just as pointless as the Ralph Wilson Stadium scoreboard in the home team column under Dick Jauron. In short, Trent Edwards had a horrible season. Can he get better? Yes; he’s only 24. But Buffalo should not have handed Edwards the most important job on the team before training camp based on his 4-games-with-Tds-out-of-9 performance last season. Jauron should have brought in a QB to compete with Edwards for the starting job in 2008. Can that QB be Losman? Not at all. The Bills organization has benched Losman four times already in his career. Turning back to Losman at this point makes no sense at all- for all itensive purposes, the Bills have told Losman he’s not good enough to play in the NFL and right or wrong, it’s asking too much for a player to respond positively to the type of grading that the Bills issued Losman on his report card four times- even for a game or two. Here’s why this issue is important and why Brian shouldn’t tred around eggshells whenever the QB position is brought up: Buffalo is set up to have a winning record and make the playoffs next season aside from the 2007 version of Trent Edwards running the offense in 2008. If Edwards takes a leap next season towards top 16 or so NFL QBs, I fully expect the Bills to finish 9-7 or above next season. So why potentially throw that away by gambling on Trent Edwards? If Edwards was made to compete for his job, and he did indeed, make the leap he needs to be effective, he’d win the job anyway. If he’s still the scrub that we saw in 2007, Jauron would have another option so that 2008 is not a wasted opportunity just for the sake of Trent Edwards and his ambiguous potential that may or may not be anything more than a desperate franchise’s imagination. What this team needed was competition for Trent Edwards and that’s exactly what JP Losman isn’t at this juncture of his career in Buffalo. For that reason alone, JP Losman makes for a terrible option as the Bills second option at QB in 2008.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
May 1, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Who is “competition” for Edwards then, 82? The rookie we didn’t draft? Daunte Culpepper? Competition wasn’t happening, and that is a GOOD thing for Edwards. FOR ONCE, a young quarterback in Buffalo needs a flipping vote of confidence. Edwards needs to know that he’s the starter through thick and thin.
In my opinion, competition works at every position BUT quarterback. QB is your most important position, bar none. Having an open competition there creates controversy, skews leadership, and sustains controversy throughout the season no matter who wins the starting job. Competition needs to be completely obliterated at QB, even if it means handing the job – WITH a vote of confidence – to Edwards.
by Brian Galliford on
May 1, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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Good for Edwards, bad for the Bills
Competition only creates controversy if Edwards isn’t good enough to rise to the occasion. If Edwards is as good as some Bills believe, he’d win out over a more proven commodity in training camp…if he’s not good enough, what were you worried about protecting? Don’t let the QB position hold a competitive team hostage…in any case, Jauron played this hand wrong, which is no surprise. That being said, turning back gto Losman at any point (due to injury or ineptitude) doesn’t make sense after benching him four times since early-2005. Rather than looking at Culpepper and Leftwich, I’d monitor Tampa Bay for a better option (w/ West Coast offense experience- something Losman wouldn’t excel at anyway given his issues with short rhythmic passing). After drafting Johnson, Tampa now has Garcia, McCown, Gradowski, Johnson, Simms, and Griese off the top of my head. I figure they’ll keep Garcia/McCown/Johnson I like all of these other potential options better than Losman for the Bills in ‘08.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
May 1, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
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Please check my FanPost, I list ALL backup QBs currently in the league
And all current available FA QBs there as well. I also look into what it may take to pry a guy away from the team holding him. I will update as people get cut or added to rosters.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on
May 1, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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Cool
I was looking for a list like that. Thanks.
Never forget 56-10. Revenge.
by SuperFan82 on
May 1, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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This line of thinking is what hurt JP Losman’s development Brian. Because Losman was given the starting over Bledsoe instead of letting him compete and learn from a Pro Bowler his growth as a QB in the league was stunned. The competition starts in camp and preseason with the best man winning the job. After that you put all your confidence into that player. I’ll refer to another example with the CB position last year. Jabari Greer was far the better CB than Youboty and Webster yet the two aforementioned got the starts because of ones draft position and the other’s familiarity with the coach. A persons ability to acheive through their work ethic is much more respected by their peers than a person who is handed something that they didn’t earn.
by the Skycap on May 1, 2


