State of the Roster II: Bills Tight Ends/Fullbacks
Prior to the 2008 NFL Draft - in fact, prior to the free agent signing period of this past March - we took a look at the Buffalo Bills' roster position by position, breaking down then-current personnel, finding holes, and building our community needs list.
Now that free agency and the Draft have been completed, and the Bills have infused their roster with new talent, it's time to repeat our process. Where has Buffalo gotten better? Where have they gotten worse? How will additions impact which Bills veterans remain on the roster? These are questions that we'll attempt to answer over the next week or so.
We continue those discussions today with an examination of Buffalo's stable of tight ends and fullbacks. To view our previous discussions on Buffalo's TE situation (pre-off-season), bang it here.
Robert Royal: Once considered the most mediocre starter on Buffalo's offense, Royal... well... still holds that distinction, at least in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I think Royal is a good player to have on this team - he's a good blocker, a good guy to have on the sidelines, and a solid character guy. But he's not a starting-caliber tight end in the NFL, and he'll hold that role in Buffalo again in 2008.
Royal is a nice short-area target for Trent Edwards but needs to become far more consistent both catching and securing the ball. He's not a big-play threat, either. Royal would be an ideal #2 tight end for red zone work and his blocking ability (see: Bruener, Mark), but unfortunately he'll play above that role for yet another season.
Derek Schouman: A seventh-round draft pick in 2007, Schouman was released prior to the season, added to the team's practice squad, and elevated to the regular roster after a slew of injuries at tight end. He ended up on IR himself, and faces a fierce battle for a roster spot with so many players vying for so few roster spots at tight end and fullback. Schouman may be able to play both, however; if he can, he might have a leg up on the competition.
Tim Massaquoi: Another in-season 2007 addition for the Bills, Massaquoi is a longshot to make the roster. He does have some special teams potential, however, and may be a guy who gets a call back to Buffalo in the event a guy on the roster goes down.
The Additions: Courtney Anderson, Teyo Johnson, Derek Fine
We clung to the vain hope all off-season that the Bills would search for impact at the tight end position. They courted big names like Alge Crumpler and were very high on Dustin Keller and Fred Davis on draft day, but ultimately, the Bills chose size as their consolation prize to a difference-maker. Both Anderson and Johnson stand at 6'6", giving the Bills much more red zone potential at the position than they employed a year ago. Fine (6'3") seems the likely replacement for Royal in a year or two while playing special teams early in his career. The Bills have talent at the position, but don't employ one guy who can block, catch and stretch a defense vertically. That element has been missing from Buffalo's offense for a long time.
The Subtractions: Michael Gaines, Kevin Everett, Ryan Neufeld
Gaines provided solid production as a mid-season street free agent signing, but was snapped up early in the free agent signing period as a blocking back for the Detroit Lions. Neufeld, a special teams ace as a Bill, was a UFA and the team chose not to re-sign him, while Everett's devastating injury has turned into a touching story on a national level.
Jonathan Evans: People tend to forget that in terms of Bills fullbacks, it's Evans who is the longest-tenured fullback on Buffalo's roster (he spent part of '07 on the team's practice squad). With two new guys in the fold, however - and the team keeping two fullbacks at a maximum - Evans is seemingly a longshot to make the roster.
The Additions: Darian Barnes, Mike Viti
Barnes is an NFL veteran who signed a one-year deal in January; he's known as a solid blocker and an OK special teams player, but offers little else. Viti has already gained recognition with the fan base, hailing from the Army and checking into Buffalo with his hard hat and lunch pail in tow. Barnes and Viti seem the two most likely candidates to start at fullback; the loser may not even make the roster.
The Subtractions: None.
Pre-Season Outlook: Unlike 2007, tight end and fullback are no longer one morphed-together "H-Back" position in Buffalo. Turk Schonert's new offensive scheme will bring back the traditional blocking back, and Buffalo's tight ends will focus on more traditional tight end roles.
As it stands right now, only two of the nine players mentioned here - Royal and Fine - are virtual locks to be on the opening day roster. The other seven may be fighting for as few as two positions, though three seems more likely. One thing is certain - this position is a crap shoot, and all of these players have a lot to prove, even if they do make the roster.
Change: Red zone size.
As always, your thoughts on Buffalo's tight end and fullback situation are welcome and encouraged in the comments section.
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Viti is most intriguing
Someone else recently wrote that the Bills had glaring holes at wide receiver, defensive tackle, defensive end and cornerback, and addressed them all pretty well in free agency and the draft (boy did they address cornerback!). I suppose it was too much to ask that they get the 2008 edition of Riemersma or Metzallars, but boy would it be nice if one of the new additions were able to unseat Robert Royal. A guy with good hands would help.
Of all the new players Brian reviewed at tight end or fullback, Mike Viti looks the most intriguing to me. I would love to see more about him, maybe a pro scout’s analysis of what he might bring to Turk Schonert’s first offensive system.
by Defensewinsgames on May 15, 2008 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TE and FB
I think there are as many as 6 spots to between the 2 positions available, though 5 is the most likely. Royal and Fine and set, IMO, after that it’s anybody’s guess.
I’m not sure we’ll keep a 2nd FB or a 4th TE. I’d like to think a 4th TE based on last year’s rash of injuries and the still somewhat unknown use of the FB this year.
I’d have to imagine Barnes has the leg up on Viti based on experience, but if the Cadet can show true blocking ability in the preseason and usable ST skills, he should be kept. I don’t think Barnes is going to be that much better than Viti, if at all. I think I’d rather have the younger, cheaper version if we are only going to keep 1 FB.
If 1 FB is kept, 4 TE’s is almost a must I believe. After Royal and Fine, I’d have to think Anderson and Johnson have the best shot, with Schouman right behind them. With Royal and Fine both being known for their blocking instead of receiving skills, I think it may be beneficial to keep the two pass catchers in Anderson and Johnson. The guy with the better ST abilities may have the leg up in that battle. However, I can see those two fighting for one position, let the best man win. If that’s the case, I think Schouman has a great shot to make the team based on his ability to lineup at FB too. I watched the Cincy game from last year this weekend and he lined up in the backfield on numerous occasions. If we keep 1 FB, it may be beneficial to the positional breakdown that we keep a guy like Schouman who can play both TE and FB.
In the end, I’d go Barnes or Vit at FB and Royal, Fine, Anderson and Johnson/Schouman at TE. 5 spots available.
~K
by Kurupt on May 15, 2008 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I wouldn’t think we would keep Schouman, but it might shake out that way. Fine had to be drafted in thought bc they didn’t like what they had seen of Schouman. Fine is an inch taller and 20 lbs heavier than Schouman, and in their eyes I’m sure a better blocker. So Royal, Fine I think are locks, and then you got to keep C. Anderson and hope he provides a dynamic pass catching presence.
I personally liked what I saw of Schouman last year. I just didn’t see why adding Fine, someone so similar was needed? A pass-catching guy was much more needed. But ultimately I think Royal, Anerson, Fine and Schouman are all kept. I would be shocked if Teyo Johnson makes roster.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on May 15, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Switching to FB
If we truely are changing our tactics to using a true FB instead of the old H-back system, what sense does it make to only have 1 on the roster? What other position doesn’t have at least one backup? Sure, you could have a guy from another position fill in in a pinch, but thats like having a safety fill in at CB, or vice-versa, doesn’t stay true to your FB philosophy as it puts you back into H-back mode.
If you’re going to commit to a FB role, then commit to it ! Don’t go halfway by only keeping one on the roster.
by Blackthorn on May 15, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many teams really keep 2 FBs? Seriously. I think that most teams only keep one. If he goes down, you sign a practice squad guy (Viti to the PS for the Bills?) or convert another player. Unless one is an ST beast, I think we only keep one.
by Hopefulcynic on May 15, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say
More than half the teams that use a FB as a traditional lead blocker to fuel a power running attack keep two.
A lot of teams that run zone blocking schemes and single back sets only keep one FB, or they keep one FB for short yardage and an H-Back.
I will try to look into this further, but it really depends on how often the Bills are going to use their FB, and whether the loser of the Barnes/Viti competition has special teams value. If the Bills keep two FBs, I would expect one to be inactive most weeks, so maybe ST doesn’t matter much. And if one is going to be inactive every week, there isn’t much of a difference between keeping 2 and keeping one on the 53 man and 1 on the PS.
by kaisertown on May 15, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I checked the league rosters over
Basically EVERY team that uses a traditional lead blocking FB keeps two on the roster in some capacity. About 1/3 of the teams just kept 1 FB on the 53 man roster and 1 on the PS.
When I think of offenses that use a power running mentality I think of:
San Diego – Lorenzo Neal, Andrew Pinnock
Neal and Pinnock have both been on the 53 man roster for the last few seasons. Pinnock has been active for about half of those games. San Diego could keep him as their lone FB this year while rookie Mike Tolbert (Coastal Carolina) is kept on the PS. It’s also worth noting that SD signed a couple of H-Back types after the draft in Wade Betschart (Wyoming) and John Tereshinki (Wake Forest).
Minnesota – Tony Richardson, Jim Kleinsasser, Nuafahu Tahi, Garrett Mills
Minnesota started the year with Richardson as the lead blocker and Kleinsasser as a versatile TE/FB/HB. When Richardson was put on IR the Vikings signed Tahi off of Cinci’s PS. Garrett Mills, an H-Back, was grabbed when the Pats tried to sneak him through waivers. Tomas Tapeh was signed this offseason to take Richardson’s role as lead blocker and share time with Kleinsasser. Tahi could be an interesting camp cut to check out if Barnes or Viti suffer a serious injury.
Seattle – Mack Strong, Leonard Weaver, David Kirtman
Strong and Weaver both made the 53 man roster last year. Weaver was active for all 16 games. Kirtman was waived and placed on the PS after camp. He was elevated to the 53 man after Strong’s injury. Owen Schmitt will join Weaver on the 53 man roster this year while Dan Curran and Kirtman compete for a spot on the PS.
Arizona – Terrelle Smith, Tim Castille
Smith and Castille were both on the 53 man last year. Smith is entrenched as the starter while Castille will try to hold off rookie Dionte Johnson (Ohio St.).
Tennessee – Ahmard Hall, Casey Cramer
Hall was the starter last year and Cramer was active for much of the season. Both should make the roster again this season.
Chicago – Jason McKie, JD Runnels
Jason McKie was the lone FB on the Bears 53 man roster last season while Runnels spent the entire year on the PS. Lousaka Politte was signed away from Dallas this offseason. Chicago should be looking to change their running game with both new personel and different schemes. It was awful last season.
Cleveland – Lawrence Vickers, Charles Ali
Vickers was the starter while Ali played special teams. Ali was active for the final 13 games of the season and both he and Vickers sould make the team again.
by kaisertown on May 17, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teyo should be kept
Teyo could be a very good WR/TE option in the red zone with his size and catching abilities. He was a top WR at Stanford—his failure seems to be tied to Oakland and other’s attempt to convert him into a pure TE. If the woman-beating, gun-toting Hardy surprisingly appears unreliable in the pre-season (isn’t he possibly facing suspension from the NFL, by the way?), we would be back to square one and may need Teyo Johnson as a decent red zone alternative.
by labill on May 15, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Suspension
Why would he be facing suspension? He wasn’t arrested or charged with anything.
~K
by Kurupt on May 15, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not necessary for the NFL
to hand down its own suspension. I am not saying they will, but they could.
by Joe P. on May 15, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
no way is Hardy getting suspended. He pulled out a gun that he has a permit for on his own property. Charges were never filed and not only because his father didn’t press charges, but because nothing really happened.
I doubt Parrish gets suspended. Drinkning and driving is pretty serious, but its a common mistake and they typically get a second chance. If Parrish slips up again he will get suspended though. Jared Allen is the first example that comes to mind. He didn’t get a suspension the first time, but he got 4 games the second time.
by kaisertown on May 15, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the article from the link
below says, “Officers were called to a home in the 2900 block of Weisser Park Avenue just before 1:30 p.m. Sunday by a woman who said a man was fighting with his father in her backyard.” Hardy was not at his own home.
http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080513/SPORTS/805130306/tbd/
by Joe P. on May 16, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Joe P. says
I think suspension could be a possibility. Harrison’s case may make the NFL look at the Hardy situation—focus on guns in the NFL (like dog fighting). The facts are not known (I agree, may never be known) with what “brandishing a gun” in a fight with his father means. Besides, my point was that Hardy may not be a reliable person to count on. In addition (and maybe again Kurupt is right that there is no possibility of suspension), is Parrish possibly facing suspension for his recent DD? This is just a question about how the league decides these kinds of things. Does anybody know what standards there are for league action?
by labill on May 15, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There has to be a schematic reason
Obviously the Bills wanted bigger targets for our young QB and to improve upon our dismal red zone TD% but I think the fact that the Bills brought in 6’6 Hardy, 6’6 Teyo, and 6’6 Anderson has to also mean something in regards to the new offensive scheme that Turk will be looking to establish. I won’t pretend to be an offensive schematic guru but I would like to hear some discussion on what exactly to expect from Turk, scheme-wise, with all these enormous targets being brought in, aside from the usual and obvious banter about the advantage in the red zone. What does it mean for the passing plays we’ll look to run or how aggressive or passive we might be through the air?
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on May 15, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure if Turk can answer that now
I don’t think it changes our scheme. But the extra height should help create more mismatches, especially in sets with multiple WRs and TEs. It should increase the chances of certain plays, like in routes over the middle and jump balls in the endzone, being completed. If they are completed more, then there is a greater chance they will be call more often. The success or failure of certain plays on the field may be the only way that question can be answered.
by Joe P. on May 15, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try to imagine
Bills on the 5 yard line, brake the huddle and on the right is 6’6” Teyo Johnson on the left is 6’6 Courtney Anderson and spread wide is 6’5 and 5/8” James Hardy, how does the defense that?
Bills Fan in PA
by BILLS on May 15, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or
I should say How is that defended?
Bills Fan in PA
by BILLS on May 15, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fowler completely
misses his assignment, and lets a blitzing LB have a free run at Edwards, who barely has time to secure the snap before he is hit for a 10 yd loss.
by Joe P. on May 15, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That made me snort my coke I was drinking laughing
Then I got sad because it is absolutely completely true, we will see that happen a minimum of 5 times this season, over/under is 2.
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on May 15, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, thought you were an NFL player for a second
“That made me snort my coke”...you sound like Pacman Jones or Leon Lett or Ricky Williams, or….ah forget it the whole league is broke.
Another 3 rounds of starters in the draft?
by poz on May 15, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fowler and last season
Fowler killed 6.5 pass plays last season. I’d put the number this season between 4.5 and 8.5 instead of between 3 and 7.
by Ron From NM on May 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teyo Johnson
I think Teyo Johnson has the potential to be a very good tight end for the buffalo bills, here are my reasons:
1. He is a converted wide reciever from college who was fairly productive when he played at stanford.
2. He is 6’6’’ 260 pounds, so he is not just a receiving threat. After spending a couple season in the NFL i’m sure he can block at that size.
3. He will get a chance to prove himself in this training camp.
Also, I have no idea why they brought in courtney anderson. Maybe he is a good blocker? He has never shown potential to have good receiving skills.
Robert Royal doesn’t hold onto the ball very well. If he can fix his grip on the ball then he actually might be a good tight end for us! He should us that he can be a good receving threat in a couple of games. Still, we don’t know if he can be consitent.
Royal is comming off a surgery though. My guess is that teyo johnson will start by week three, if not earlier.
by buffaloboy90 on Jun 2, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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