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Buffalo and the Tampa 2: Divorcing?

Editor's Note (by Brian Galliford): This excellent FanPost by Zumone is the perfect Saturday topic of conversation in these parts.  With the large defensive additions we've brought in (linked below), is Buffalo beginning to move away from the Tampa 2 scheme brought in by Dick Jauron?  Z, by way of hoosierteacher of Mile High Report, begins the investigation.  End Note

Given the recent discussions of the Buffalo Bills' defensive upgrades this off-season, I began wondering about our defense and how our current personnel fits the Tampa 2.  However, I'll be the first to admit ignorance on defensive schemes; I kind of know what the Tampa 2 is but if you pinned me down and really asked me to define it, well, I'd be hard-press in all honesty.  Looking for some more information on the Tampa 2 yesterday I found an excellent summary of this defensive scheme at the Mile High Report - and some Bills talk as well.

I'd recommend reading the entire post by hoosierteacher but the part that caught my attention was in a brief discussion of the current teams employing the Tampa 2:

Who runs the system? Right now the T2 is run by INDY, CHI, MINN, and DET. KC used to run the scheme, but seems to be moving away from it. TB and BUF also ran the system for awhile, and seem to be moving in other directions.

Buffalo is "moving in other directions"?  This was news to me.  Was this because of our discussion of the line getting bigger or just conjecture?  I asked hoosierteacher and he had an interesting response:

There have been some grumblings about changes...

Dan Leberfeld (who covers the AFC East) was on SIrius NFL Radio not too long ago and said that Ralph Wilson is not happy with the system and wants bigger players in the front 7. The signings of Marcus Stroud and Kawika Mitchell would seem to verify the movement away from a T2 in that respect.

Back in 2006 I read this story (it took me awhile to find it again). Knowing the bad rush defense the team was having for a couple of years, I started to follow the Bills from a scheme standpoint (football systems are a kind of hobby with me, especially historical ones). Even the 2006 article was wishy washy on the team being "all in".

With the recent report by Leberfeld, the track record of the program, and the recent signings, I think the Bills are signaling a transition out of the Tampa system. I could be wrong, but watch the defensive line this year, then watch for major personnel changes over the next two years.

It’s my opinion, but it sure looks like a transistion to me.

Best of luck to you and the Bills. As an AFC fan it killed me to watch the Bills lose the multiple SBs awhile back. I hope you guys get one soon if it isn’t at Denver’s expense. I’m also glad Everett is doing better than expected. All of Broncoland wishes him the absolute best.

I for one would be happy with a transition; this bend-but-don't-break philosophy drives me crazy.

This FanPost was written by a registered user of Buffalo Rumblings. Its views do not necessarily reflect the views of Rumblings' editorial staff, but are just as valued as our own.

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I’ll start the conversations off – philosophically and schematically, I don’t think Buffalo is moving away from this type of defense. This defense IS Dick Jauron – conservative, yet based on controlled aggression and speed. Buffalo still has a lot of speed defensively, and they will still run to the football, concentrate on penetration from the front four (rather than occupying blockers solely), and predominantly play zone in coverage.

What I think we’re seeing here is a northeast tweak. This system is based on speed, and when you add defensive speed, it usually has to come in the form of small players. Clearly, that hasn’t been a priority this off-season – we’re looking to get bigger and physical in every defensive aspect. This team plays in cold, poor weather conditions for nearly 40% of their season – that’s 40% of the time that these small players are getting pushed around by power rushing teams.

I think we’re about to transition to sort of a hybrid between a traditional 4-3 and a Tampa 2. We’ll still be speed-based, penetration-based, and play predominantly zone coverage. But we’ll tweak the systetm with big players, sacrificing some speed to play better defense in the winter.

by Brian Galliford on May 3, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Brian!

I agree with the defense being a match for the Jaruron type of style. On the other hand, with a few tweaks, the system becomes something else entirely and can still fit Dick’s program.

For instance, building a bigger front 7 might switch BUF over to the classic Cover-2. The C2 and the T2 seem very much alike to most folks, but from a coaching angle (I used to coach defense) they are at once different both in terms of goals as well as execution. Just the adjustment to one or both DTs switching to predominantly 2 gap versus 1 gap would create a scheme that would have a ripple effect to the way that the LBs (and by implication, the safeties) played their zones.

You can still have a speed/zone based defense while moving out of the T2.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on May 3, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tampa 2 in the cold

What you say makes sense, just look at how bad Tampa played in cold weather those years back. Green Bay and Philly pushed them around in the cold.
If the Bills want to play a similar style in the cold, they need to be bigger up front, which in essence makes it a slightly different defense.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on May 3, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great read!

i have a lot to say about all of this but unfortunately I have a Corporations exam on monday that requires all my attention this weekend. I will post my thoughts when I have time, but boy to I hope the ARE moving away from a cover-2 D. It’s a great defense, but only when not used as your base defense. Also, you can play zone-defenses, without it being a cover-2 Defense (See Penn State). Like I said, lots to say, but I’ll get to it when I can.

Greate write-up/find Zumone!

John I.

by jri111 on May 3, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please read my article if you get a chance.

You’ll see that BUF has been running a Tampa-2, not a true “Cover-2”. The Tampa 2 is a variant of the Cover Two, but much different than the classic C2 defense.

I think that the many BUF fans that have grown tired of the T2 would actualy appreciate the more balanced Cover-2. The Tampa-2 hasn’t served the Bills very well, and I really don’t think it is the best defense against the AFC East teams in any event. I’m not a fan of either system, but I think the classic C2 would be a good fit for BUF at this point.

Good luck on your exam!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on May 3, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, that’s a very helpful article…

By “AFC East teams” you probably mean the Patriots. I have to agree; the fact that Brady put up 7 touchdowns last year is a fairly good indication that the Bills need to change something. The Tampa-2 seems to work great against the Jets, since Pennington’s lack of arm strength makes it difficult for them to bend the Bills D enough to score. The Dolphins, of course, have their own set of problems.
Still, that means nothing if the Bills allow the Patriots to score TDs in seven straight drives again. Argh…

by Krenn on May 3, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

definitely will give it a read after monday...

thanks for the luck too, i’m going to need it. As for the “cover two,” vs. “tampa two” I understand the distinction and I was using the term “cover 2” in more of a broad sense for type of defense, rather then individual team styles. Whether it’s a pure cover-2, or a tampa-2, or the style the vikings play, I’m not a fan. I think the cover-2 (in the broad sense) as a base defense will go the way of Buddy Ryan’s 4-6 defense in about a decade. It just has too vulnerable against the run to have staying power. I long for the days of a 3-4 defense.

Here’s a fun fact that most people don’t know… prior to the Giant’s Super Bowl victory back in February, the previous SEVEN superbowl winners had either a 3-4 defense or cover-2 defense (Colts, Stealers, Pats x 3 and Bucs)

John I.

by jri111 on May 3, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoosierteacher

I enjoyed your article a great deal- very Zimmerman-esque, which is the highest compliment for football analysis I give out. As I’m sure you’re aware, it’s very hard to learn anything about strategies and maneuvering by simply watching the network coverage and listening to the the fluff that’s put out there by the talking heads who cover the NFL. That medium is great if you’re interested in the Patriots and their “place in history”, but for fans like me, it’s a real chore to listen to those guys. Again, your full article is a must read for all Bills fans like me, who constantly mangle the Bills defense under Jauron when trying to express my disenchantment and frustration with it. If Buffalo truly is moving away from the Tampa 2 by adding Stroud, Mitchell, and McKelvin, it’s long overdue. I personally would love to see the Bills drop everything that Jauron represents as far as his philosophies about life, football, and competition in general, but shifting away from the Tampa 2 and its penchant for getting run over by power running teams at the opposition’s will would be a start for 2008. Again, thanks, and good luck stomaching your ESPN game against New England this year- I’ll be feeling for your fans that night when you’re listening to those three clowns treating your team as mere wallpaper for their Patriots coverage. I know that drives me nuts.

Never forget 56-10. Revenge.

by SuperFan82 on May 3, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Scheme

last year was still a Cover 2, I suppose. But as was mentioned in article you can’t run a Cover 2 without 2 high safeties (due to our poor run defense). So, instead the Bills seemed to run A LOT more cover 3 calls last season, hence our cornerbacks lined up 8-12 yards off the LOS. As we all saw, our defense is MUCH less effective when we have to crowd the box. So I’m guessing the new additions to our defense mean we are hopefully going to be running our scheme the way it was meant to be run or we are leaning toward a more basic 4-3 scheme. DJ and Perry Fewell are BOTH Cover 2 guys, so my guess is we will not see a philosophy change.

If the Bills are going to run it successfully, it all starts with the front 7 being able to stop the run without safety help. I presume we’ll be MUCH better at that now. If we’re more effective against the run, then our D will see more 3rd and longs which is the strength of the scheme… and we’ll get to see Schobel and Ellis flying off the LOS forcing early throws and INTs….. hopefully.

"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

by ForeignArrow on May 3, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Must Read

What a great article by Hoosierteacher. I recommend it as a must read by all football fans who want to understand the game better.

It’ll be great if bloggers educated in these technical areas can contribute more writeups. I think it’ll help pedestrian fans like myself to understand the game better and understand what the coaches and management are trying to do with personnel; this will help us appreciate the game in a different level.

Bills fan half way around the world

by moncheri on May 3, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What would the Giants do?

That will be my new acronym , WWGD (What would the Giants do)?

What type of defense did they run in the Suer Bowl? Hooiserteacher, have you written an article about that? I’ve heard that the NFL is a copycat league so I have to imagine if the Bills are drifting away from T2, they are drifting towards the Giants defensive scheme, Signing Mitchell from the Giants, I’m sure they drilled him pretty thoroughly to get insights into their gameplan.

by south123 on May 3, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vikings

The Vikings changed the game when it comes to Tampa 2 by putting a couple of run stuffers at DT. They may not get much pressure on passing downs but they tend to send runs wide—which plays into the strength of the LBs.

All in all, I hope the team will adopt a standard 4-3 as their base defensive package. The Patriots were beaten because all of the Giants linemen were good against the run and able to get pressure. The Pats’ offensive line couldn’t slide to help against one guy without another wreaking havoc.

Buffalo is a long way from that point. Stroud won’t generate much pressure but is good (assuming he’s 100%) against the run. Schobel can generate pressure but isn’t exactly stout against the run. Kelsay and Denney don’t seem to excel in either area. McCargo showed signs of coming along both against the run and in getting pressure.

It sure would be nice to no longer see the CBs eight yards off the ball on 3rd and 2….

by Ron From NM on May 3, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're already a hybrid, IMO

And I don’t know if that’s good. Our D doesn’t seem to have an identity. Rather, we seem to be taking various aspects of multiple Defenses and rolling them into ours.

We tried the attacking DT’s and smaller/(supposedly) quicker LB’s, but that was terrible for the rush. Now we’ve brought in a bigger DT and LB’s, so we’ll see how this goes. We’ve added talent to CB instead of DE, so we aren’t in the same boat as our C2/T2 teams, IMO. We can’t run the traditionall C2/T2 without a top pass rush.

To me it seems we WANT to be a C2/T2 team, but just haven’t done enough to put the proper pass rush in place. We’ve got “run stuffing” DE’s for the most part (Kelsay, Denney and Schobel to a point), though they pretty much stink in that regard, but don’t have the true speed rusher that other successful C2 teams have. That’s probably why it seems we are transitioning away from a C2/T2 towards running a more traditional 4-3 at times.

~K

by Kurupt on May 3, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Small Defense of the Tampa 2

I was surprised that we ended up with a Tampa 2 actually, considering that DJ ran a two gap scheme (with Washington and Traylor) in Chicago.

Let’s not make the mistake of thinking that the Tampa 2 cannot be plenty effective against the run. Last year the Colts gave up 3.8 ypc (T-4th in the league), and only 4 run of 20 yards or more (1st). The year before that, Chicago was 6th in the league in yards per game. I don’t think anybody who really watched the Colts last year (and you really couldn’t help it if you only had basic cable) or the Bears the year before would argue that they weren’t also very physical defenses. Like any other defense, it comes down to talent and execution, which, for various reasons last year, the Bills lacked.

Theres one thing that the best Tampa 2 defenses have had, and that’s elite athleticism, especially up front. Truth be told, we have a lot of average athletes, and lost some of our better ones to injury. They hustled like nobody’s business, but ultimately undersized+average athletes= leaky defense.

by PozDispenser on May 4, 2008 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'd like to see

a defensive scheme similar to what Ted Cottrell ran while he was here. I liked the way he would mix in the zone and blitz calls. Doesn’t have to be 3-4 either, we could still have a 4-3 type of base scheme.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on May 5, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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