Buffalo Rumblings' Best of the Bills Team: QB
Ever wondered what it would look like to see the best Buffalo Bills of all-time lined up on the same field? Ever salivated at the thought of a dual-threat running back tandem of O.J. Simpson and Thurman Thomas? Today, Buffalo Rumblings sets out to get those dreams as close to reality as possible.
Today, we're starting a series (inspired by the folks over at Big Blue View) called "Best of the Bills Team", in which Rumblings readers will vote into prominence a 27-man roster (22 starters, K/P, 3 specialists) of Buffalo's best players of all-time. The Bills have a rich history and have had plenty of outstanding players don the red, white and blue; it's time that this blog community properly honor those players that made us fans in the first place.
Here's how this is going to work: for each position (we'll employ a 3-4 defense, for those wondering, and we'll do 3 receivers in lieu of a fullback unless there's dissenting opinion), y'all will vote for the one player you choose for single positions (like QB), or vote OFF players for multi-player positions (like WR). This will be an opportunity for us to debate as to who was the best player(s) at each position were for the Bills, enjoy the glory of yesteryear, and fill in the gap until training camp starts in July. We start with the quarterbacks. I've a feeling this discussion won't be as heated as some future ones. The candidates:
Jack Kemp ('62, '63-'69): Kemp, the only Bills quarterback to ever lead the franchise to a championship (he netted two, in '64 and '65), came from an era where quarterbacks played a much different role than they do today. Consider that Kemp won two championships and made six Pro Bowls as a Bill (earning First Team All-Pro once as a Bill as well) despite throwing 55 more interceptions than touchdowns - 77 to 132 - and finishing his Bills career with a QB rating of 55.8. Kemp was one of the better quarterbacks of his era, and was easily the best QB in Bills history until a certain #12 challenged him for that honor.
Joe Ferguson ('73-'84): Unlike the two men he competes against in this little exercise, Ferguson was Buffalo's quarterback during the dark years of the franchise. In his 12 seasons as Buffalo's starting quarterback, Ferguson performed admirably despite having little to no talent around him (O.J. Simpson not withstanding) - he threw for 27,590 yards as a Bill, as well as 181 touchdowns. He was a tough customer, as well - and continues to prove that today in his ongoing fight against cancer. He's under appreciated in Bills lore; he may not have been the greatest player, but he was a player fans could rally around. That's enough to make this list.
Jim Kelly ('86-'96): The most obvious name to make this list, Kelly quarterbacked the Bills to four straight Super Bowl berths, set many team passing records, made four Pro Bowls, and was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. One of the toughest players to ever play the game at his position, Kelly will always be remembered for that - as well as never winning the big game. As difficult a pill as it is to swallow that the team couldn't win one for Kelly, there's no mistaking that Kelly is one of the all-time great quarterbacks in league history, let alone franchise history. Stats include: 35,467 yards, 237 touchdowns, 84.4 career QB rating.
So let's hear it. Make arguments, vote, and have fun with this. And while you're at it, feel free to leave nominees for the wide receiver ballot, which will likely be publicly deliberated tomorrow afternoon.
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Gotta go with Jimbo
I am a little biased because I never saw the other two play, maybe some of the older Rumblers will think differently.
Kemp would be a solid pick also, but I would be shocked if it’s not #12.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jun 9, 2008 7:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Being one of the old timers to have seen every Bills QB there isn’t any question that it is Kelly. The interesting stat are those of Kemp, had no idea he was that bad but he did win. We wern’t as focusist on stats in those days (did we win)all we had was the newspaper to follow the team, if you wanted to talk football you had to call someone. Enough down memory lane. Fergy was looked at as more of a caretaker of the offence don’t do things to lose hand off to OJ and make the pass if you had too
Bills Fan in PA
by BILLS on Jun 9, 2008 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we add Rob Johnson to this list,
Thanks:)
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jun 9, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats, B3J. You win the “Brian wonders who will be the first to say this” prize. :)
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet,
can we do an all time flop team
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jun 9, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s an interesting idea. Glutton for punishment?
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly is not one of the NFL'S greatest
I am a huge bills fan but to say that Jim Kelly was one of the greatest might be a little far fetched. There is no way he would fall into the top 10. Manning and Brady are better right now than Kelly ever was. I would like some clarification on why Kelly is one of the NFL’s greatest.
by buffaloboy90 on Jun 9, 2008 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, he is in the hall of fame… that should count for quite a bit. Here’s the list of HoF QBs (of the modern era – after 1946):
Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999
In addition to that, you have to add Favre, Manning, and Brady, who will be in the hall when they retire / become eligible. So Kelly is certainly in the top 25 quarterbacks, without even pulling anyone out of that list. He might not be in the top 10 anymore, though he was when he retired. But that doesn’t stop him from being one of the NFL’s all-time greatest quarterbacks – nearly everyone on this list can make that claim. (Except Troy Aikman.)
by Krenn on Jun 9, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly. I don’t understand how being a Hall of Fame quarterback DOESN’T make you an all-time great.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimbo’s the reason I became a Bills fan, so I gotta vote for him.
by Krukow on Jun 9, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kelly
No quesiton who Buffalo’s #1 QB is. I am a huge Kelly fan and do not believe he is a top 10 all time QB; not anymore. Guys who are playing or who just retired who stats are just as good (or close) and have won the SB include Elway, Montana, Manning Brady, Farve, Aikman, Young. That’s 7 right there.
My two most important factors are winning (leadership goes with that) & stats. I view them at 50/50.
by Berg79 on Jun 9, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kelly by a long shot
RB will be equally lopsided for Thomas. The only way I would vote for OJ is if it was to decide whether to use the electric chair (which is my vote, the irony is undeniable) or lethal injection to put him out of our misery.
by Joe P. on Jun 9, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
it’s Jim Kelly. regardless of whether he won the big game or not, the Bills have never had a run of seasons like they had in the late 80’s to early 90’s. He was a big reason for that success and the sustainability of the fanbase during one of the longest losing stretches in team history (hopefully that will end this year!!!).
by gatornation on Jun 9, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wide Receivers
Andre Reed, Eric Moulds, and James Lofton. Am I missing anyone?
by Fort Worth on Jun 9, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don Beebeeeeeeeeee. eat that Leon Lett
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Jun 9, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beebe
Would you take Beebe over Reed, Moulds, or Lofton?
by Fort Worth on Jun 9, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd take...
...Beebe’s Bills career over Lofton’s Bills career. Lofton was an aged, but still talented veteran helping a young team win but his best years were already well behind him. The Bills got everything Beebe had to give. If you take their entire career then obviously Lofton is the far, far, far better player. As a Bill and Bill alone, I think Beebe has a marginal edge.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
by Calvert on Jun 9, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Calvert
but this is a debate for another day
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jun 9, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There also is something special about a guy who pours his heart out on the field. At least from a fans perspective that almost makes up for lacking the talent and skills of other players. It at least makes Beebe the more memorable player to me than Lofton.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Jun 10, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy choice
definitley the easiest choice of this series. Gotta go Jimbo! Man I miss his LB mentality.
A quick did you know:
As most people know, Jim Kelly grew up in the QB factory that is Western Pennsylvania. While being heavily recruited in high school, his dream was to play QB for Joe Paterno at Penn State (my alma mater). However, JoePa heavily recruited him to play LB at Penn State and the scholarship offer was only for defense, not QB. Jimbo, of course went on to star at QB for the Miami Hurricanes. Ironically, his first game for Miami was against Penn State in Happy Valley. Miami won 26-10.
John I.
by jri111 on Jun 9, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Contest
Jim Kelly was the Best Ever QB in a Bills Uni.
Honorable Mention to Doug Flutie.
by Blackthorn on Jun 9, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Flutie
Not even top 5 in my opinion.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jun 9, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can name four quarterbacks better than him? Lamonica maybe; perhaps Bledsoe? There haven’t been many good Bills QBs…
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bledsoe absolutly
Drew lit it up his first year, the Bills won games just because of his right arm.
Flutie did good early on, buts lets not forget that he got benched because the offense was sputtering badly. Those teams won because of special teams and defense, yet he got all the credit for the wins. I liked mighty mouse ( I don’t think there is a Bills fan who didn’t) I just think he was vastlt overrated.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jun 9, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up...
...a Joe Ferguson fan. I remember when I was 10 and living at the Colonial Manor apartment complex in West Seneca when Ferguson and another Bills rookie (LB John Skorupan) rented an apartment there after being drafted (rookie contracts were smaller in 1973). I tried everything to catch their eye. My father, being the wonderful salesman that he was, managed to get the both of them over for dinner and games. I had this light-box football game with offensive and defensive plays printed on sheets. You would put them face down, turn on the light and if a defender cut off the path of the ball, that was where the play ended (or it was an incomplete pass). Fergy and I played for at least an hour. Somewhere my mother still has a polaroid picture of Fergy, Skorupan and I sitting together in our apartment as well as one where my father is pouring a whole mug of beer down Skorupan’s throat. There is no single player in football history that I personally admire more than Joe Ferguson. He played in the playoffs against Dan Fouts’ Chargers with a broken ankle that no one but him and the training staff knew about and still almost won the game. He was a decent man, a humble man and a damn fine quarterback even when he was hanging his head after a bad play.
I still voted for Kelly.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
by Calvert on Jun 9, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will
Football is a team sport. QB’s get too much of the credit for wins (Aikman) or too much of the credit for losses (Kelly). A play or three different – by a team – and Kelly might easily have two rings.
While i grew up idolizing Fergie, and his present fight only makes me admire him more, Kelly, for the spirit and will he inspired – stats aside.
Flutie? Good grief. The hero in all his own stories. Locker room cancer. As self serving as TO but not as brave to throw it out there in clear view. I don’t know how one can be over rated with no tangible accomplishments, but Dougie managed. All hat, no cattle.
Good story? Sure. Good QB? No.
by LeClaireBill on Jun 9, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I seriously cannot believe that no one has made a compelling argument for Jack Kemp. Stats aside, he’s the only Bills QB to win a championship – and he has two of them – and he was THE BEST the franchise had ever had until Kelly came along. My vote was for Kelly as well, but I considered Kemp a fairly close second.
by Brian Galliford on Jun 9, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More on Kelly
Kelly is the reason I became a Bills fan. I loved watching him and that K-Gun offense move up and down the field. While I don’t think he’s in the Top 10 quarterbacks of all-time in NFL History anymore, you could certainly make a case that he is in the Top 15. If they had the same exact teams playing alongside them I would take Kelly over Aikman any day. He’s certainly the man in those poll though. Man… the passing leaders since Kelly is just ugly…
1997 – Todd Collins
1998-1999 – Doug Flutie
2000 – the aforementioned Rob Johnson
2001 – Alex Van Pelt
2002 – 2004 – Drew Bledsoe
2005 – Kelly Holcomb
2006 – J.P. Losman
2007 – Trent Edwards
I’ve been reading this blog for a while, but never posted. I really hope that Edwards gets a fair chance to prove that he can be the Bills quarterback this season. I watched the Bills last season when they came to Lincoln Financial Field (sat right behind the Buffalo bench) and I was surprised about how in control he looked. I like that in a signal caller.
by jmantemp on Jun 9, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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