Seeking Release, Favre Could End Up in AFC East
by Brian Galliford on Jul 12, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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You've probably heard by now - because, let's face it, Brett Favre is to NFL media what Britney Spears is to paparazzi - the legendary quarterback has asked to be released by the Green Bay Packers, looking to further his NFL career in a different city. And, as you've also probably heard, of the team "most likely" to land Favre's services, the Miami Dolphins top the list.
(Note to Brett Favre: If you end your timely retirement to come back and play for an organization that is coming off of a 1-15 season, you're a nut job. Just saying.)
Another off-season of Favre's irritating indecision in regards to his playing future has a different ring to it this time around - because this time, it might directly effect the Buffalo Bills. Here's the catch: it might effect the Bills in a good way.
The Leading Candidates for Favre
It's important to note that of the three teams rumored to be interested in, or possible destinations for, Favre's services - Miami, Minnesota and Carolina - the Dolphins are not necessarily (and certainly shouldn't be) Favre's top choice. In fact, according to SI.com's Peter King, Favre would like to be a Viking. And why not? The Vikings have an excellent running game and an even better defense. Favre could turn that team into a Super Bowl contender, at least on paper.
But let's face it - the chances of the Green Bay Packers releasing Brett Favre (mull over that sentence for a moment), allowing him to sign with a division rival (continue mulling), are absurdly remote. About as remote as the Packers signing, well, Britney Spears.
So as delicious as it would be to watch Favre lead the Vikings to a division title over the Packers (even if Vikings fans are dead set against the idea), it's not happening. That leaves, at least for the moment, Miami and Carolina as the front-runners. And since the Pack aren't going to be releasing Favre any time soon, any move for Favre will come via trade.
That's where Miami takes a quantum leap to front-runner status. They've got the perfect bargaining chip in Jason Taylor.
Who Would You Rather Face: Favre or Taylor?
Let's say, for the moment, that a Favre-for-Taylor trade is feasible enough to be discussed. (And that certainly seems to be true, given Bill Parcells' preference for bringing in veteran quarterbacks. Remember when Dallas signed Drew Bledsoe?) Who would you rather watch the Buffalo Bills face twice per season: Brett Favre, gritty gunslinger extraordinaire, or Jason Taylor, who has terrorized Bills quarterbacks for a decade?
Call me crazy (or don't), but my vote is for Favre. I love the idea of Brett Favre becoming a Miami Dolphin.
Think about the long-term ramifications that bringing Favre in would have on that franchise. (Matty I of The Phinsider clearly has, because he's vehemently against the idea as well.) The Dolphins have a stop-gap at quarterback - again - and their two young "of the future" quarterbacks, John Beck and Chad Henne, are made to wait - again. Favre doesn't help out his understudies, either, further stunting the growth of whichever quarterback takes over for Miami. The Dolphins maybe push .500 this season (because their defense is still pretty bad, even with Jason Taylor), and Favre pads his stats.
Meanwhile, Taylor - one of only a handful of defenders in the AFC East that must be game-planned for (the rest play in New England) - is out of our minds. Jason Peters and Trent Edwards would be very happy men should this trade go through. I've always had a lot of respect for Taylor, too - he's a good guy and a fantastic athlete - and it'd be nice to see him get his shot on a team that's actually, well, good.
More quarterback questions and a weakened defense in Miami? Additional long-term controversy for our archenemies? Favre to Miami sounds like a delicious recipe to me. Forget the possible short-term effects Favre might have in Miami. Bring this deal on.
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Jason Taylor doesn't score points...
...Brett Favre does. Buffalo didn’t score points so facing an utterly inept Miami offense helped the Bills win those two games. I don’t remember Taylor’s name being called in the 2nd Miami game at all. Peters had no bad pass plays that game so Taylor didn’t get through him. Walker had 1 bad play, which may or may not have been Taylor. No offensive linemen were (dis)credited with killing a drive in that game. The Bills can shut down Taylor—or Taylor can shut down himself when he’s not happy with the season/coaching. I doubt the defense could shut down Favre even if he was moody.
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre only scored 10 points against Buffalo two seasons ago, when their defense was far weaker than it is now. I’m not afraid of that guy at all.
I seem to recall the Bills putting up 38 on Miami last season… though that 13 in Miami wasn’t great. Losman was terrible that week.
Taylor could very well benefit from an improved front seven in Miami. He can’t do it all himself. Miami’s defensive problems are in the secondary.
Your point about Taylor not wanting to break in a new QB is a good one, but he may not have much say in the decision, either.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 12, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense didn't put up 38
The Dolphins were a big part of the 38 points Buffalo scored. Their offense was terrible and their defense played like they didn’t care.
As for Taylor, he can always retire. Why would Green Bay want to trade one wishy-washy player for another? I’m sure Taylor would love to go play for the Vikes or some other team that might get him a shot at a ring. Frankly, the guy deserves at least a sniff at the Super Bowl and he won’t get it in Miami unless he hangs around for 3+ years.
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I forgot something
I seem to recall Taylor reportedly saying that he wanted out of Miami because he didn’t want to go through yet another year of breaking in a new QB. Well, that’s exactly the situation he’d be in if he went to Green Bay.
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I'd MUCH rather face Taylor.
As long as we have Peters, I’m not worried. He’s blanketed Taylor more than once. Farve just finds a way to win (we really got lucky last game against the Pack), and is one of those ultimately frustrating opponents; those who find a way to weasel victory through the darnest means, right when you think we have him.
Taylor hasn’t scared me for two years, and you have to remember, John Beck playing QB is an advantage for us. I think this is a case of the grass is much much deader on the other side.
GO BLUE!!!
by Kumario! on Jul 12, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t disagree with you in the short-term, but in the long-term, Favre in Miami is a bad thing for that team. Buffalo’s still developing, so the further into the future that the Dolphins are screwed up, that’s where Buffalo gets the advantage.
What it comes down to is this: the Dolphins are beatable with either Favre or Taylor. I’ll take the long-term negative effects if it means a little more stress on two particular Sundays over the next year.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 12, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get your point
Favre is great for the Dolphins in the long-term. It’s better for a young rookie QB not to be thrown into the fire right away. Favre will play long enough for Chad Henne to learn from and be mentored by the best ever, then he’ll be ready to lead his squad. That is not good for us.
I will add this though Brian, I just saw sportscenter mention the Jets and the Bills as well,although they say Favre would prefer to play somewhere warm. I think they just said Buffalo because it snows in Buffalo like it does in Green Bay, so I’m going to chalk that up to just being stupid, not going to happen with Edwards around. But don’t rule out the Jets. Point is, I don’t want Favre in my division. We will slaughter the Dolphins with Taylor, Favre gives them a chance to win every game.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Jul 12, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about Favre and mentoring
I’ve read in a couple of places over the years that Favre isn’t the type to groom a replacement. Henne would get the benefit of sitting but not necessarily great insights from Favre.
I’m hoping PFTs report (a week or 2 back) about Favre’s interest in Carolina turns out to be more than rumor/speculation. Like you, Poz, I don’t want him in this division. It’s bad enough that the AFC East attracts good coaches for other teams…
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt
Carolina would have much interest in Favre. Delhomme is going to be healthy and he was actually on pace to be better than Favre last year.
I still think Baltimore, Washington and Tampa are the most likely spots. Specifically Baltimore.
by kaisertown on Jul 12, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned in the article (as did Ron in his response to you), Favre doesn’t do the “mentor” thing. Plus, if he starts, presumably, his backups would be Beck AND Henne. So then when he finally retires, who starts? They’d still have a QB controversy, and they won’t have learned much from Favre at all.
As for the Jets, it’s an intriguing option because presumably, the Jets could toss Chad Pennington in the deal, who would fill the need at backup QB for the Packers. I still don’t think it’s highly likely – I don’t even think a Dolphins deal is likely.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 12, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
If the young qb is intelligent enough, he will learn from favre regardless of the actual input from Brett. Watching a HOF qb in your system should give you a better idea of where to go with the ball and what to do against different defenses. It wouldn’t “stunt” Henne’s growth (as a huge Michigan fan, the kid needs time, he wasnt effective in college especially against quality opponents) and Beck wouldn’t die from sitting on the bench for a year or two more.
You can say what you want about Favre, but he put up great numbers last year and if you actually watched him play, he looked about 30. He struggled for a few years before that because (shockingly) he had no running game, limited wr and te, and an o-line that was retooling. With better support he played great last year, personally I wouldn’t want to see that twice especially since I don’t see the downside of young quarterbacks’ sitting for an extra year.
by jmorris0823 on Jul 12, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won’t have much support in Miami, either, jmorris. He’s got a talented, yet largely unproven line, and there are questions in the running game with Ronnie Brown’s injury issue (though apparently he’s 100% – if so, he should be back to his dominant self). There isn’t a receiver to speak of in Miami, either – don’t even get me started on Ted Ginn Jr.
I don’t think Favre in Miami is a scary proposition at all.
by Brian Galliford on Jul 12, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Favre needs is a running game and Miami has one
Throughout his career Favre as proven he doesn’t need good receivers to win, that in fact he makes average receivers seem great. All he needs is a ground game and the Dolphins have a good one with the twin-headed attack of Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown. Who were the best targets Favre ever had? Antonio Freeman? Bubba Franks? Donald Driver? Javon Walker has done anything since leaving Green Bay and Favre made guys like James Jones and Greg Jennings look like T.O. and Terry Glenn.
Thats why Favre is so great and so dangerous. He never had Jerry Rice like Montana and Young, or Andre Reed like Jimbo or Michael Irvin like Aikmen. The Packers just put receivers on the field and Favre made them dangerous. If Favre is in Miami I can promise you Ted Ginn and Ernest Wilford become a threat.
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Jul 12, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off, Brown will be 100% in the way that I was saying LeCharles Bentley is 100%. Brown’s injury has healed, but it always takes 2 full years for those guys to be back to what they were pre-injury. I think Ricky Williams ends up being the better RB on the Phins this year and they will probably split carries much like they did for Brown’s rookie year. The Dolphins should have a decent run game, but don’t expect them to run it like they were early last year.
And Poz, Favre has gone his whole career with an inconsistent run game. Favre played just as well the first 7 games last year (without Grant) as he did the last 9. Favre had some of his better seasons in 1998 with Levens playing terribly and what was maybe his best year as a pro in 1995 when Edgar Bennett and Levens both averaed under 3.5 ypc. The combo of Bennett and Reggie Cobb in 94 were almost as bad and Favre still had a great season.
by kaisertown on Jul 12, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
are you saying you would fear Favre in Miami or you wouldn’t? I agree with you that it would kill Beck, I wonder how much Parcells really cares about Beck, drafting Henne almost seemed like Beck was a 1 to 2 year solution until Chad could become NFL savvy. Might as well let those 2 seasons pass with Favre. I’m not saying I would bring him in if I were the Dolphins, just saying they might and that he would be a threat to our playoff chances. Below you say it would be cool to play Favre and above you noted how dangerous he can be even without weapons. Are you sure it would be as cool as you think?
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Jul 12, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I just think it would be cool to get the chance to see a true legend play some more games this year. I would probably try to go to Toronto if Favre were the Dolphins QB.
I think Favre is a gunslinger and doesn’t need a run game to be effective, that is different from not having weapons. I think a lot of Favre’s re-emergence had to do with the year Jennings had. I would say he was way more of a factor of Favre’s success than Ryan Grant was. Guys like Jennings, Driver, Javon Walker, Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks and Sterling Sharpe were all big factors in Favre’s success.
Green Bay has tried to surround Favre with weapons more than most teams do for franchise QBs.
2008 – WR – Jordy Nelson – 2nd round
2008 – TE – JerMichael Finley – 3rd round
2007 – WR – James Jones – 3rd round
2006 – WR – Greg Jennings – 2nd round
2005 – WR – Terrance Murphy – 2nd round
2002 – WR – Javon Walker – 1st round
2002 – traded two 4th round picks for Terry Glenn
2001 – WR – Robert Ferguson – 2nd round
2000 – TE – Bubba Franks – 1st round
1996 – WR – Derrick Mayes – 2nd round
1995 – WR – Antonio Freeman – 3rd round
Ever since the retirment of Sterling Sharpe and Robert Brooks, the Packers have tried pretty hard to surround Favre with weapons. I think his WRs have never gotten enough credit as everyone just assumes that it is Favre who was doing all the scoring.
by kaisertown on Jul 12, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Williams coming off a season ending injury as well?
I don’t remember what Williams injured in that Pittsburgh game but it put him out for the season. He may be less than 100% as well. More good news for Buffalo’s playoff hopes…
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
torn pectoral
It shouldn’t have any impact on him this season.
by kaisertown on Jul 12, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pectoral?
I thought he hurt his foot in a nasty pile up? Well, maybe his foot was just herbally relaxed so much the pec somehow took the brunt of the hit?
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
somebody stepped on his foot which caused him to go down and when he tried to brace himself he tore his pec muscle right off the bone. It was in that monday night game, and the anouncers couldn’t figure out what happened to him and that is probably what you are remembering. He needed surgery and the timetable was only 5-6 months. He is 100% ready to go.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_previousnews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1312
by kaisertown on Jul 12, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you could learn just by watching Favre play, wouldn’t you be able to just pop in some game tape and learn just the same?
This isn’t about Henne, its about Beck. I think it would kill him (or at least his Dolphins career) to bring in Favre. He is going to be 27 years old in August. He has 3 years left on his rookie contract. If you bring in Favre for 2 years, you end up with a 29 year old QB with no experience, in the last year of his contract, competing with Chad Henne who has likely never thrown an NFL pass at this point and is possibly entering the last year of his contract too.
Bringing in Favre would only be pushing the Dolphins problems a year or two down the road. They need to address their weaknesses now and find a QB. They need to give Beck a chance this year and if that doesn’t work, give Henne a shot next year. The Dolphins can’t worry about winning right now. They need to develop their young players and build for the future. Favre coming in and delivering some 8-8 seasons will only hurt them in the long run.
by kaisertown on Jul 12, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather face Taylor
He was neutralized by Peters last year and I’d rather have the Miami offense remain stinky. Taylor’s presence or not, their D won’t be very good. Favre at least has the chance to put some point on the board for them, which could beat us if our offense is only mediocre regardless of how bad their D plays.
Favre’s not going to Miami anyhow. If he does end up outside of GB, he’ll want to be on a winner, not a team that will scrape to win 4-5 games. Also, would the Fins want to pay Favre’s $12/13M salary per season anyhow?
~K
by Kurupt on Jul 12, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts
Common sense would say that the Bills are trying to make the playoffs and to do so we would need 3 or maybe even 4 wins in the division. The Phins not having Favre makes that easier.
That said, I’m going to agree with Brian and the Taylor voters.
I think the Bills are a team on the rise and building for a couple years down the road still. And the Dolphins are worse off for having him. I think that whole “young QBs are better off learning on the bench for awhile” is just a coaches way off explaining that they are playing the QB that gives them the best chance to win now and they aren’t actually doing what is best for the franchise. Beck is going to be 27 by the time the season starts. If they sign a vet that will walk in and win the job easily they will never find out what they have.
And don’t underestimate what Taylor has done vs. the Bills. Taylor racked up 8 tackles, a sack, a forced fumble and even succesfully defended a pass against us this year and had almost identical numbers last year when he had 9 tackles, a sack, a forced fumble and a pass defended. He is still one of the premier pass rushers in the league and now that Miami is going 3-4 they can easily move him around the field and line him up away from Peters if they want to.
Also I think it would be cool to watch Favre play against us a couple of times.
by kaisertown on Jul 12, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I LOOOOOOOOVE Me some interceptions
Brett has always played badly when he is trying to carry a crappy team (see the past few seasons excpet the 2007 one). He has been an interception machine since he is trying too hard to make up for the teams deficiencies.
Needless to say, since we now have an interception making machines in Corner and McKelvin, I WANT Brett to become a Dolphin. JT always seemed to play up whenever we played the Phins, forcing that team to lose its best playmaker for a man with questionable decision making when under self-pressure is well worth it.
Make the call Tuna! We want Brett, we want Brett!!!!!
Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....
by WABillsfan on Jul 12, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we turned tony romo into an interception machine and we still couldn't win!!
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Jul 12, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farve has no loyalty and is a joke
I wouldn’t want that guy on my team, and if he was to go to the Fish I would love watching him throw ill-advised passes that get picked-off.
The presense of Peters decreases my fear of Taylor exponetionaly. Honestly I think both could play for the Fish next year and they won’t win more then 4 games.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jul 12, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Farve has no loyalty?
He plays for Green Bay all those years, wins a SB, and owns most of the passing records in the NFL. They push him to retire at the end of the season when he is physically and mentally exhausted. Now that he wants to come back, the Packer tells him that they don’t want him (only as a back-up). The Packers are the ones with no loyalty.
by Joe P. on Jul 12, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes your right. he won the Super Bowl and set all of those records (including interceptions in a play-off game) as a favor to Green Bay and with now thought of glory or fame for himself. And when he is, as you said “physically and mentally exhausted”, but chooses to retire, then tries to come back and is said to want to play for the Vikings (the Packers arch rival) that to me is no loyalty.
What if Jim Kelly told the Bills he was going to retire, then after the draft and bulk of free agency was done, he tells them he wants to come back, but the Bills need to release him so he can go play for the Patriots so he can try to win a Super Bowl. What would you say to that?
Last I checked the Packers were a better team then the Vikings last year, so one would think that his best chance at winning another Super Bowl would lie with the Packers not the Vikings. If another Super Bowl really meant that much to Farve he wouldn’t have retired in the first place.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jul 12, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only said he wanted to play
elsewhere when the Packers told him to stay retired. He was encouraged to retire by the Packers. They hoped he would go away quietly. I am not saying he is not being selfish in his own way, but his loyalty is not in question IMO. All the Packers would have to do is say, “come on back Brett” and he would not have to even consider going elsewhere.
by Joe P. on Jul 12, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wouldn’t have dragged his feet so long aboubt whether or not he would come back in the first place, he might have a spot on the team. But since he took so long to make up his mind, (for the 3rd year in a row) they Packers were forced to force his hand so to speak.
I have always liked Brett, but if he pushes his way onto the Vikings, I’ll have lost a lot of respect for him.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jul 12, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were Farve
and still wanted to play, would you want to be the back-up (as the Packers have flat out said he would be) to Rogers? Would you want to play for a team that has all but said, even though you took us to the NFC Championship last year, we would rather you stayed retired. That is a bitter pill to swallow. If I were Farve, I would want to play with the Vikes and stick it to the Packers twice in the regular season and with any luck in the playoffs too.
by Joe P. on Jul 12, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre made his bed....
...so he can’t whine about how it feels to him now. Favre waffled for years and finally said he was done. The front office wants to move on with Rogers. I think it is idiocy but the GM and coach are more interested in seeing what they have in Rogers instead of reinserting Favre in the line up. Rogers likely won’t do as well as Favre and the coach and front office will pay for it with their jobs. Plus, angry fans might burn their houses down…
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is changing is mind whining?
If the Packers don’t want him, I really hope they trade him. Making him sit on the bench is poor form on the Packer’s part. Rogers was going to have enough pressure on him trying to follow Farve. With Farve on the bench…...that poor kid would be drinking Pepto instead of gatorade.
by Joe P. on Jul 13, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Farve is on the roster as a back-up, and Rodgers struggles even a little, The fans will start screaming for Farve. Rodgers doesn’t stand a chance in the situation. The front office knows that and they don’t really want that, they just want to be able to control where he goes.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Jul 13, 2008 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On whining
Favre jerked the Packers front office around for, what, 3 offseasons now with his flirtations with retirement. I can understand why the team is sick of it and why they’re sticking it to him now. With that said, it’s not terribly bright on the part of the coach and GM but, with new extensions in hand, they seem to think they’re bullet proof….a theory which angry Pack fans might put to the test.
by Ron From NM on Jul 13, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PFT think Favre is off Jets' radar
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/12/cross-jets-off-favres-list/
Let’s hope it’s true. You know, I’ve been thinking about places for Favre to land and Houston wouldn’t be a bad one. He could displace Schaub fairly easily. He’d have one stud WR and a decent line. He’d also have what is becoming one of the league’s best defenses to make up for his ill timed INTs. Houston is within driving distance of his home area. Probably just wishful thinking on my part….
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a bad idea here for your "Houston suggestion," but...
Wouldn’t that sort of be an admission that they erred on Schaub? Two seconds for him, and then you still trade for a QB? Not sure about this, but I wouldn’t be shocked at all either…
by krytime on Jul 12, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More dreaming than suggestion
Schaub had injury issues last season and Favre has been injury free for pretty much his entire career. You could make the case that the Texans are a great QB away from being a playoff team. No, even with Favre (or Manning or Brady) they wouldn’t be a Super Bowl team but they could make a lot of noise in their division and possibly sneak into the playoffs.
by Ron From NM on Jul 12, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’m not saying it would be a good idea for Miami. They are way too far from having the pieces to contend for Favre to be successful there. I do think they would be better next year and thus I would rather he not be a Dolphin.
Concerning Beck, I get the feeling Parcells could care less about him. Probably just considers him a sunk cost as he drafted Henne early when they had to fill pretty much every position. Still, the Dolphins aren’t going anywhere with Favre. While I would like bringing Favre in to Buffalo, I wouldn’t feel the same way about bringing him to Miami if I was a Dolphins fan.
by jmorris0823 on Jul 13, 2008 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rather not have taylor or favre
As a Dolphins fan, hear out my take on this. I would not want favre here. I would rather rebuild the right way finally and find our new franchise qb. Taylor has been a great player for us over the years, but there is much rumbling about him and his wanting a trade. I would rather give him the respect he earned over the years and let him go to a contending team as long as we got something in return. (I’m not saying a #1 pick or anything, but rather something that would help). The fins don’t need controversy throughout the year with Taylor on board.
As far as things go, I don’t expect to be trashed for my opinion. I am respecting the forum, so I only say hear me out. But also, don’t discount the fins too much this year. They may have only been 1-15, but lost 5 or 6 games by 3 points or less. Bill P won’t let games slip away like that. We have better coaching, some new players, so we might surprise people with 6-8 wins this year. (Esp. if everyone just thinks of us as the 1-15 team. Most of those players are gone, so we are a different team and they are working harder than ever this year to be ready).
Any with Ronnie and Ricky both ready to play it could be a fun season.
by rooster13 on Jul 13, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
first off, don’t be worried about getting “trashed” around here for saying something like that. We aren’t all like that jerk who has been hanging out at The Phinsider. What was his user name? does he even post over here on Rumblings?
As far as the Phins going 8-8, that will depend mostly on QB play. Lemon, Green and Beck were pretty bad last year with sacks, turnovers and just poor play in general. If Beck or McCown can’t improve on last year’s QB play, I wouldn’t expect things to get much better. If Beck does start to come through on his potential, the Phins could make some noise. The Dolphins have too many unanswered questions for me to really be able to predict any kind of record with any confidence. Do the Dolphins fans feel that way too? Too many question marks to have any clue as to how the team is going to play.
Miami lost 6 games by exactly 3 points.
by kaisertown on Jul 13, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't let that stop me
rooster – You make some good points, but as kaisertown said, who is going to be your QB? Who is going to lead your defense? Is Parcels going to be making the calls? I think 6 wins is very optimistic and 8 wins would be amazing. Looking at the schedule, I will be a nice guy and give you a split vs the Bills and the Jets (2). At the Cards, Pats, Texans, and Denver are all road losses. At home, you have no chance to win vs San Diego, Pats, and Seattle. That leaves KC, SF, Rams, and the Raiders. Those teams are beatable and could go either way, but to think you will win them all is not very realistic. I will again be generous and give you a split (2). That is a 4-12 season.
But on the bright side, how excited are the Fins not to have to play in Buffalo in December?
by Joe P. on Jul 13, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, as kaisertown alluded to, fans of the opposition are more than welcome here if they’re here for intelligent, thoughtful discussion. That’s exactly what you’ve provided, so no trashing from any of us. :)
I do agree with you that Miami will be a much tougher team this year, but I don’t expect you guys to go much more than 6-10, even with Favre. It’s not because of your offense (a healthy Ronnie Brown scares the crap out of me); your defense, especially the secondary, won’t strike fear into the hearts of anyone. Billy P has more work to do on that side of the ball before you hit .500 and become fringe playoff contenders, methinks… though I also don’t believe it’s that far off, either.
Hopefully the Bills can take that step before you catch back up with us. :)
by Brian Galliford on Jul 13, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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