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Bills Training Camp Battles: Backup TE

Note: As Buffalo Rumblings counts down the days until the start of the Buffalo Bills' 2008 training camp (current count: 10), we'll be breaking down some of the bigger battles we're sure to witness during summer practices as part of a comprehensive package of pre-camp topics we'll explain in more depth in the near future.  For now, let's get our Training Camp Battles series under way with a discussion of the team's tight ends.

With a second-year quarterback in Trent Edwards working to establish rapport with nearly every offensive weapon in his arsenal, Buffalo's competition to find a "receiving tight end" to be Edwards' safety valve is, quite literally, wide open.  While the names here don't elicit excitement in what should be a boring offensive philosophy (at least when it comes to the tight ends), the winner of this competition will nonetheless have an impact on how Buffalo's offense operates.  Meet those about to go to battle:

The Favorite: Courtney Anderson (89)
A veteran of four NFL seasons, Anderson spent his first three years in Oakland, where he caught 62 passes and scored 6 touchdowns.  Anderson has a unique advantage over his running mates because of his size (6'6", 270 pounds); he's a very large man that is a solid run blocker and can make plays down the field because of his height.  Proof of that lies in Anderson's career yards-per-catch average of 12.3.  By comparison, the team's starter, Robert Royal, has a career yards-per-catch average of 9.2 in five seasons (Anderson's only caught passes in three, as he bounced around the league and went reception-less in 2007).  His unique skill set gives him an advantage over Buffalo's very similar Derek duo.

The Upstart: Derek Schouman (80)
We've discussed Schouman's excellent spring at length already this off-season; a seventh-round draft pick last season out of Boise State, "Schou" is the lightest and most fluid athlete of the players vying for this position.  He's benefited from taking first-team reps during the spring thanks to an injury to Royal, but it's likely he got those reps simply because Anderson and the other Derek (Fine) weren't with the club last season.  Still, reps are reps, and chemistry is chemistry.  Therefore, Schouman's rise makes him the upstart candidate in this battle.

The Darkhorse: Derek Fine (86)
Quick - name the last Bills tight end drafted as high as Derek Fine (fourth round, pick 132).  The answer is none other than Kevin Everett in 2005.  Before Everett, the answer to that question would have been Tim Euhus; before him, Bobby Collins.  Fine appears to be a clone of Royal (known for his blocking more than his receiving), but he was brought in for a reason.  He'll certainly stick with the team as a special teams core player, but he's got an outside shot at making an impact offensively as well.

The Longshot: Tim Massaquoi (88)
Signed last season after several injuries to several Bills tight ends (including Everett, Schouman and Ryan Neufeld), Massaquoi is known as a solid specialist, and that's that.  He's a longshot to make the final roster, let alone have an impact offensively - but his competition is so mediocre on the surface, it's hard to completely discount him, either.

Predicting the Winner
Royal is hardly anything to get excited about as a receiving threat, and it's difficult to imagine any of these four players supplanting him as the team's top tight end.  There is, however, a chance that one of these players can fill the short-area role that free agent defection Michael Gaines filled last year.  I'm currently giving the edge to Anderson.  Buffalo's biggest problems lay in the red zone, and Anderson has the height to make more of an impact than his running mates in that area of the field.  He's also a good enough blocker to play as the second tight end between the twenties in Buffalo's run-oriented offensive system; that's not a claim Schouman can make.

Ultimately, my opinion is as good as all of yours'; let's hear it, folks.  Who should/will be Buffalo's backup tight end heading into the 2008 season?

Next Battle: Backup left tackle.

Poll
Assuming Robert Royal starts, who should be his primary backup?
Courtney Anderson
66 votes
Derek Schouman
104 votes
Derek Fine
32 votes
Tim Massaquoi
7 votes

209 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted Schouman but....

.....I think the 2nd TE position will go to the guy who proves that he can catch anything that comes within a 2 yard radius. Gaines and Royal teamed up to drop (or at least try to drop, such as Royal’s triple bobble on a TD reception) a lot of passes last season. (I can’t remember which game it was but the worst drop was when Gaines got open up the seam and dropped a likely TD.) So, if Andersen or Fine catch the ball more consistently look for that guy to be the #2. Otherwise, look for Schouman to be the #2, Fine to be his back up and for Andersen to be on the field for the ‘heavy’ formation instead of Chambers.

by Ron From NM on Jul 14, 2008 7:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That Gaines drop you’re speaking of – or at least one of them – came in the Cleveland game, I believe.

I agree there will be a lot of mixing and matching, but one of these guys will play more than the others. I think it’s great that Schouman has been making waves, but I think it’s all hype at this point. My money is still on Anderson – I like what he brings in the red zone.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 14, 2008 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went with Fine

I think he gets down played a lot around here, mainly because he’s not the TE that we all wanted. The men who get paid to make these picks thought Fine was one of, if not the best all around TE in the whole draft. Don’t over look him because you didn’t like the pick.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 14, 2008 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point but

Fine is a rookie. Anderson’s experience should give him the edge over Fine, at least to start the season.

by Joe P. on Jul 14, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

I’m not sure they will keep 4 TEs. Royal and Fine are most likely locks, which leaves both Anderson and Schouman fighting for a roster spot. Anderson might loose based on Schouman’s youth and potential.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 14, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, tough pick

Lets see who looks good with pads on. This is were Schouman may start to look more pedestrian (insert Lynch joke here). If he can still impress, then it is wide open. I imagine Fine would not last if we wanted to put him on the practice squad? Wouldn’t it be a shocker if Royal was released.

by Joe P. on Jul 14, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t see us putting a fourth round pick who’s expected to be a special teams ace on the practice squad. You were right to begin with – Royal and Fine are in, Anderson and Schouman are in a dog fight.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 14, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fourth rounders have been knocked down a peg or two lately, with some guys getting released and or put on practice squads. Didn’t the Bills have a guy last year on their practice squad who was Pittsburgh’s fourth and year or two ago? DT something Harris maybe?

But I still don’t see Fine on the PS.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 14, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Orien Harris. He was a stud in college whose ego quickly overwhelmed his talent. The Steelers basically took a chance on him, and he didn’t pan out.

Fine is a different type of player, so I agree he’s not going to be on the practice squad.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 14, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that is the most likely senario

But, what if Schouman catches everything thrown his way, and Anderson plays as well as Royal? Or, if Royal get injured in training camp? Anderson has the height advantage and is younger.

by Joe P. on Jul 14, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schouman option at FB

If Schouman is used as the back-up FB, I can see OBD keeping 4 TEs - a TE/FB combo player would be very valuable and Schouman actually has the experience to do that. I think that is the best option, but only if Schouman can really show FB skills-is he getting the reps? Unless they bring another FB (letting Vitti go said a lot about Vitti or Schouman), I think we are set. TE/FB is a great position to get Special Teamers, and this way, we get 5 solid ST players.

by labill on Jul 14, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what the difference between a fourth TE and a backup FB is anyways. I don’t think you need to have a backup fullback; fullbacks are rarely injured, and Darian Barnes should be fine as the lone fullback on the roster. That leaves a spot open for the fourth tight end, and that position wouldn’t need the distinction of “backup fullback”.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 14, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More motion and receiving

But as a back-up FB, Schouman can play the H-Back role and go into motion, adding flexibility to the FB position when they want to spread out with a FB option. I don’t think Barnes, Fine or Anderson can provide that option like Schouman can. Why wouldn’t you think that they wouldn’t want that flexibility of a 4th TE as back-up FB? My only point was that Schouman can do that, but the others don’t seem to be able to.

by labill on Jul 14, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Schouman and hope he makes the team, but I think that he might have been better suited for Fairchild’s offense, then what Turk is doing, and that could really hurt him.

I could really see the Bills cutting Schouman and watching him go on to be a real contributer somewhere else.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 14, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Picked Fine

But see Anderson, Royal, Fine in the mix. Four TEs? Only because of our special teams focus so Schouman might stay. However, if Anderson does not prove to be worth it, he may be out. This is a diverse group so i would like to see what they all have, but Royal is not a threat, although I think he does okay at catching.
I picked Fine because he is the most unknown, has the most potential all around, and I get the impression he is a gamer. Another good competition for camp. Probably second next to CB.

This town needs an enema!

by killascript on Jul 14, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Royal

I would not be surprised if Royal loses a step off his injury. I predict Anderson will be the starting TE and Fine will be #2 as Royal wont be healthy enough to be effective. If Royal is as effective as he has been in the past then I will agree he is still #1; count me as one of the people who dont believe he will return to form. A minor drop off by Royal takes him from a avg TE to a below avg TE fighting for a roster spot.

This is a business. Royal is my surprise offensive cut. Scott is my surprise D cut (not sure if that is a real surprise) but otherwise the D roster is almost set.

by Berg79 on Jul 14, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see the cut of Royal

It just makes sense, especially if Anderson is a capable blocker. Anderson is a bigger target and if his experience lends itself to quality, smart play, then I want to see him in there. As well, I can definitely see Royal losing a step, somehing he can’t afford as he barely has a step to begin with. I think any two te sets would be good with Fine and Anderson.

This town needs an enema!

by killascript on Jul 14, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

You guys may be right about a Royal cut, but WOW, an Anderson/Fine TE pairing really is not what we had envisioned with respect to what was clearly one of the top deficiencies.

by labill on Jul 14, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be silly

Jauron was content to stand pat with A-Train because he knew what he had in him. Why would it be any different than Royal? Jauron is the kind of coach who keeps players a year too long rather than letting them go a year too early so I see Royal staying.

by Ron From NM on Jul 14, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could though

It definitely could happen. However, Royal might bounce back well, and nothing but the ol’training camp will tell us that.
Maybe i just want to see Royal go, because that means we have better players.

This town needs an enema!

by killascript on Jul 14, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Royal is assumed starter.

Jauron said himself that the position is unsettled and every spot on the TE depth chart is up for grabs. I would agree that Royal is the favorite, but I would love him as the 2nd TE if someone was able to supplant him this TC. Whether that would be Anderson, FIne, or Schou, I have no idea. Josh Reed? hahaha..

We should seriously look at running some plays with a 6th tackle as a TE (Peters). There is no guarantee we’d run.

GO BLUE!!!

by Kumario! on Jul 14, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cuts

Yes, Jauron kept ATrain 1 year too long but maybe he learned his lesson. Jauron brought in ATrain he did not bring in Royal. Jauron has showed the willingness to cut respectable harding working players who are not the same after an injury that he did not bring in (ex: Coy Wire).

I like Royal, but as Killascript said Royal does not have the talent or physical size to lose a step due to his injury. I hope he comes back healthy as his blocking would be missed but I dont see it.

by Berg79 on Jul 14, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Jauron DID bring in Royal. They came to Buffalo together in 2006. But he did cut Larry Tripplett, so I think your point is still valid.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jauron

If my memory serves Royal came from the Redskins and you are correct he was one of the first players brought in by Jauron/Levy…my bad. I think my head was in a place where I was thinking (but not explaining) that Jauron brought A-train in as part of his past (w. Chi). Therefore, my argument is irrevelvant, but I do believe the potential exists that Royal will not be on the team in 2008.

by Berg79 on Jul 14, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Size matters?

Assuming for the moment that Jauron has no sentimental attachment to Royal and benches him due to injury, does size matter in this position?
Anderson is 6`6’’ and a whopping 270
Fine is listed at 6`3’’ and a respectable by not huge (by tight end standards) 247
Schouman is listed at 6`2’’ and only 223
Schouman cannot possibly hold down a blocking assignment at that size, can he?

by Defensewinsgames on Jul 14, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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