Bills Training Camp Battles: Starting CB
Note: As Buffalo Rumblings counts down the days until the start of the Buffalo Bills' 2008 training camp (current count: 8), we'll be breaking down some of the bigger battles we're sure to witness during summer practices as part of a comprehensive package of pre-camp topics we'll explain in more depth in the near future. For now, we'll continue our Battles series by looking at the battle for the team's starting cornerback position. Previous installments: Backup TE, Backup LT
There is currently no bigger logjam on the Buffalo Bills' roster than the one at cornerback. Six players will be competing for playing time, and with only three positions seeing consistent work on the field, the competition should be fierce. Veteran Terrence McGee will once again man one starting role. Who should be his running mate? Meet the candidates...
The Favorite: Jabari Greer (33)
After taking over for two injured players - Jason Webster and Ashton Youboty - at this starting position last season, Greer hasn't let go of his new role. Yet. A notoriously excellent training camp performer - even as an undrafted rookie free agent - Greer is very likely to hold off what has become a stiff competitive field for the starting role he claimed last season. He's certainly not the long-term answer at this position (in fact, he may not hold onto this spot long if he does win it), but he's currently the player most likely to start on opening day.
The Upstart: Leodis McKelvin (28)
Bills fans aren't giving McKelvin enough credit - if there is one player who can erase Greer's penciled-in name as a starter, McKelvin is the guy. First-round picks, unless they're quarterbacks, rarely sit the bench these days, and while guys like Greer and Will James are excellent competition for the #11 overall pick, it's clear that McKelvin is on the fast track to being Buffalo's top cover guy. He's been taken under the wing of strong safety Donte Whitner, so we know he's working hard. He's certainly got the athletic prowess to be elite. McKelvin has a much better shot than most people believe at landing a starting role on opening day.
The Darkhorse: Will James (21)
He's currently believed to be the leading candidate to land the nickel corner role, but James has a wealth of starting experience at the NFL level - something his running mates don't have. He's a big, physical corner as well - again, a leg up on his competition. In three-corner sets, James will almost certainly play inside against slot receivers, as his long arms and length will allow him to jam and/or redirect those receivers. But that wouldn't stop him from playing outside in normal alignments. He's more of a darkhorse/longshot hybrid, but we can't count James out of this race yet.
The Longshot: Ashton Youboty (26)
He's certainly got the biggest hill to climb to see any sort of playing time, but we tend to quickly forget how young Youboty still is, and how much potential is still there. Youboty can make plays, but he's still lacking in the mental department - chalk that up to his being inexperienced thanks to some bad luck and injuries. There is still plenty of upside with this kid. I wouldn't be shocked to see him have a very strong training camp - and he still has the talent to start in this league.
Predicting the Winner
Yes, it's really rather obvious that Greer is the clear front-runner at this stage of the game. He's been with the club, he knows the coaches, he's played relatively well while on the field. I get that. But there's just something about this McKelvin kid. We tend to assume that the Bills don't have to rush him onto the field right away (mostly because it's very true), but that tends to overshadow the fact that he could very well earn the right to play right away. Plus, if the plan is really to play James at nickel, then McKelvin will need to be on the field in some other capacity - likely over, or splitting time with, Greer. I think the former will happen. My first bold prediction - I think McKelvin is starting next to McGee, if not on opening day, then by Week 4. This kid has Pro Bowl talent. He won't be playing sub-package roles for very long.
Ultimately, my opinion is as good as all of yours'; let's hear it, folks. Who should/will be Buffalo's starting cornerback heading into the 2008 season?
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I think Greer
gets the nod from the coaching staff as the opening day starter opposite McGee. The staff are comfortable with Greer, and he has had most of a season of starting experience. That makes him an opening day starter IMO. However, I think (like most of Western New York) that it won’t be long before McKelvin takes over that position.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on
Jul 18, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
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Yeah, that’s the general opinion (and it’s a good one), but I think McKelvin is going to surprise folks starting next week (in a good way). I think he’s further along than most people give him credit for.
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 18, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
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Brian
There’s simply too much talent (and let’s be honest, money invested in Leodis) for him to be sitting on the bench for long. He’ll be starting sooner rather than later, that’s true.
So what does this have to do with the backup tackle position you mentioned early in your article? Oops! ;)
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by Blitz on
Jul 18, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
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Gosh darn it. I bore myself with how often I do stupid things like that.
Thanks for the heads up. :)
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 18, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
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Hope you don’t us busting your chops a bit. We’re just having a little fun here (although at your expense). All in good humor. Someone once wisely told me I needed to not take myself so seriously. I try to keep perspective on things as much as humanly possible.
Keep up with the good articles, Brian. You’ve helped us football junkies through a tough stretch of the year…
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by Blitz on
Jul 18, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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Oh no no. Keep on busting. It’s humorous, and it lets me fix my mistakes. :)
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 18, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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Signing
If McKelvin is signed by the start of training camp or shortly thereafter I believe he is the starter. Poz and Lynch started immediately last year, Whitner started immediately 2 seasons ago. I expect McKelvin and Hardy to do the same.
If McKelvin has an extended contract dispute then Greer will start. Greer has a lot of good nickle corner traits and will see the field in plenty of passing situations.
by Berg79 on
Jul 18, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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Corrections on one account: Whitner did NOT start immediately as a rookie. Coy Wire was Buffalo’s starting strong safety Week 1 in 2006; when he got hurt, Whitner took over. Same for Ko Simpson/Troy Vincent at free safety.
Your point about the contract issue is an excellent one. Get him signed, Buffalo…
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 18, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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youboty
don’t forget that in the final game of last season, versus philly, youboty had 4 tackles and an interception. i think a lot of his development was stunted in his first season, when he missed a good portion of training camp due to the death of his mother. also, he has to learn to deal with the nicks and bruises that every football player must endure. he has tons of potential, as evidenced by the fact that the browns were possibly willing to trade for him. im very glad the bills didn’t let him get away, and i expect him to perform very well in training camp. he may not win a starting spot, but i wouldn’t be that surprised if he did.
by illeagle12 on
Jul 18, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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deaths
Parents pass away all the time. Not to be unsympathetic, but it was a few years ago. That excuse needs to go away. I am sure his mother would be very upset to hear that her son didn’t accomplish his goals and dreams due to her passing away. Her dying was bad enough without carrying that guilt through eternity. He is either going to make it with the Bills or he isn’t. I would think this is his last training camp to prove that he belongs here. How much more time or roster spots can be invested in someone who may never cut it in the NFL?
by JTM1023 on
Jul 18, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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illeagle12 didn’t use his mother’s death as an excuse – just a reason for his stunted development. Clearly, Youboty is past that, and it no longer effects him. But we may still be seeing the residual effects of that chapter of his life.
Hopefully, the light goes on for him this year.
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 18, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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Whitner
Are you positive Whitner did not start week 1 as a rookie, I guess if he didn’t start week 1 he was the starter week 2 through 15.
by Berg79 on
Jul 18, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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Yeah, I looked it up at NFL.com – Wire was in the starting lineup. Whitner did play a bunch, though, as Wire went down early. (He also intercepted Tommy Terrific in that game, one of his two career interceptions.)
Whitner then started the remainder of the team’s games, save one I believe he missed with injury.
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 18, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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He wasn't expected to start either
If Matt Bowen (is that name right?) hadn’t gotten injured in the pre-season, Whitner more then likely would have sat much longer.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 18, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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Had no idea Youboty and Greer
were looking to be added to the Quarterback Carousel..
GO BLUE!!!
by Kumario! on
Jul 18, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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See above comment re: me and stupid mistakes. :)
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 18, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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Question
Anybody can answer this one. Do you think there’s a chance that the Bills keep 5 CB’s on the active roster and one on the practice squad, or do you envision some other arrangement? Perhaps 5 active, 1 inactive, and 1 on the practice squad?
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by Blitz on
Jul 18, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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Nobody mentions him
But I think that 7th round pick Kennard Cox, could very well end up on the PS. He might be converted into a saftey, so if he shows that he can play both positions, look for him to stick there for a year.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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I think he's got PS written all over him as well.
I forget – how many guys can you keep on that PS? Am I correct in thinking 6? I
by krytime on
Jul 18, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
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Thanks.
That’s alot. I have a six pack of beer for the first person who can name the 2007 season’s beginning and ending PS players WITHOUT the help of the internet.
On a side note Brian – I don’t what if SB nation has the resources, but I think a great contest idea would be to predict the season opening roster, as well as the practice squad. Is there anything like that in mind? I know a bunch of us have made our predictions already. What about making it a real game?
by krytime on
Jul 18, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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Games are fun
and you’ll probably be seeing something soon, just guessing.
Can YOU name the PS players from last year??? HA
~K
by Kurupt on
Jul 18, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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My opinion
We discussed this in another thread back in the day but I think the Bills keep a total of 10 in the secondary between S and CB. Therefore, if they keep 5 Safety’s look for only 5 CB’s but it is my personal opinioin we keep 4 Safety’s and 6 CB’s as I believe Scott will get cut. Therefore, Greer, McKelvin, James, Youbouty, Corner and of course McGee all make the roster along with the 4 safety’s.
by Berg79 on
Jul 18, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Scott won't get cut
Who would be our backup SS? Hopefully you don’t want Wendling there….He’s proven nothing and couldn’t even see the field last year despite all the injuries….Maybe in a year or two, but not now
~K
by Kurupt on
Jul 18, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Bryan Scott
did excellent work in a limited role last season. I would be very disappointed if he got cut.
I can see 10 DB’s on the active roster list, and maybe 1 inactive every week of the season.
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by Blitz on
Jul 21, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
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It's a good question
This practice squad, inactive and PUP stuff always confuses me. Players have PC eligibility and time served, both of which are limited, right? So then if a guy gets a ``bad bruise’’ in practice, can he go to PUP? Seems like the teams have a lot of flexibility to stash someone and bring him back if needed.
That being said, if they attempted to put Youboty or, of course, McKelvin on the PC, they’d be gone the next day. I’m guessing Reggie Corner would go too – he hasn’t been mentioned, but since he was drafted high enough for the Bills to invest in him, I assume they’ll want to keep him too. Kennard Cox maybe not, but I assume he’s a long shot to make the team anyway.
In another thread the point was made that none of these guys is Pro Bowl caliber and it comes down to picking among second tier talent and rookies. But I think the team suddenly has an embarassment of riches here. I wonder what’s on George Catavalos’ mind these days?
by Defensewinsgames on
Jul 18, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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Practice squad
I’m not sure, but I think you can have less than three years experience, and minimal game time. PUP is different – Jervacious just got sent there – that means you’re not counted on the roster for the first six games.
While I would never openly root for someone to get “hurt,” (wink, wink, nod, nod), a season ending IR would never be the worst thing for someone like Bell, or Cox. Obviously, the PS would be great for them. But if that was filled with guys who could contribute in case of an injury, then being on IR would be the next good thing. This way they would still be around the team, training in an NFL program, and learning the mental aspects of being a pro.
by krytime on
Jul 18, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
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Greer
It’s gotta be Greer. At least until October. I don’t see McKelvin outplaying him enough to pass him in the next month. It’s VERY rare for a rookie CB to start in week 1. And who knows how much time he’ll miss while his contract gets squared away. Hopefully he’s ready to go next week, BUT it’s hardly a guarantee.
By the end of the year, if McKelvin isn’t starting and playing well, I would be SHOCKED. We can’t go the whole season starting a player as weak as Greer.
~K
by Kurupt on
Jul 18, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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But, but, but he always looks so good in training camp
Didn’t he lead all the backfield guys in interceptions last summer?
by Defensewinsgames on
Jul 19, 2008 9:45 AM EDT
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And
that’s why he won’t lose his starting spot until some point during the season.
Greer’s a tough, feisty player, but he just isn’t big enough or strong enough to consistently hold his ground in the run game or to outmuscle WR’s n the pass game. He played tough against TO last year, but was also lit up by far lesser players than that….
~K
by Kurupt on
Jul 19, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
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