Bills OT Peters Stays Away From Training Camp
It's Friday morning. The Buffalo Bills are set to hold their first training camp practice of the 2008 season in about a half hour. They'll be hitting the practice field without their best offensive player, as offensive tackle Jason Peters has continued his holdout and has not reported to camp at St. John Fisher College. NFL Network's Adam Schefter is reporting that Peters is contemplating a season-long holdout should he not get a new deal - and, unlike Chicago's Devin Hester, he can probably afford it.
We're all well aware of the situation. What becomes important to discuss at this point is the two sides to the story from Buffalo's perspective (because, let's face it, the ball is now in their court - Peters has made his move). The Bills, at this point, can either continue to play hardball, or they can just pay the man. Let's dive in:
Reasons to Play Hardball with Peters
Below are the reasons why the Bills should maintain their hardened stance on the Peters situation. It's important to note that no matter what we say here, this is the path that the club is most likely to follow.
#1 - His Current Contract: The Bills have shown a willingness to pay guys early in their careers that show promise. They've handed out contracts to guys like DT Kyle Williams, OG Brad Butler, CB Terrence McGee, WR Roscoe Parrish and P Brian Moorman well before they became some of the better players on the team. They did the same thing with Peters. He's scheduled to make $3.25 million this season; that's not exactly chump change. They made a commitment to Peters well before he exploded onto the scene as one of the NFL's best tackles. His actions aren't exactly showing an appreciation for that move, if he has any at all.
#2 - Maintaining Precedent: A lot of folks are likening this situation to Aaron Schobel's last season, but that's now irrelevant - because Schobel actually showed up to training camp last season. I've maintained all along that Peters would be smart enough to follow Schobel's blueprint; had he done so, the Bills might have begun talking to Eugene Parker, Peters' agent, this morning about a new deal. Now that doesn't appear to be likely. Peters' situation is unique from Schobel's, so the Bills need to maintain their stance that if you aren't here, we aren't paying you.
#3 - Commitment to Team: This ties in nicely with #2 - the Bills aren't going to pay Peters until he shows up for camp. You work, we pay - that's not an unreasonable stance to take at this time, given the commitment the team has already made to him. If I'm the Bills, I want some indication that Peters isn't thinking solely about himself here. I want him in camp to prove that he gives a damn about what the team is building here. I want to see that he's still a willing part of that. If he shows that, then let's talk about more money.
#4 - Peters' Methods: There's a better way for Peters to go about this angling for a new contract deal - like showing up for work, for instance. The organization has shown nothing but respect for Peters throughout his career here - it's been Buffalo's coaches and his opportunity here that made Peters into the player he is today. They showed loyalty to his potential with the new deal in 2006. Peters isn't returning the favor here, and the Bills have every reason to be ticked off about it.
Reasons to Pony Up the Dough
Below are the reasons why the Bills should break their stance and give Peters his new deal. It's important to note that no matter what we say here, the Bills aren't likely to take this route, at least not in the immediate future.
#1 - Team Chemistry: Buffalo is attempting to put together an offense that is capable of being slightly better than mediocre in the NFL, and the chances of that happening without Peters are remote. There are too many question marks offensively - Trent Edwards, James Hardy and an underwhelming tight end corps chief among them - to play too long without Peters. If this unit is going to gel quickly enough to turn the Bills into a playoff contender in 2008, they need to play together, and they need to play together a lot. That doesn't happen while this situation drags out.
#2 - Player Value: Only RB Marshawn Lynch compares favorably with Peters in terms of value to the offense, and Lynch's rookie deal is actually more valuable over the length of the contract than Peters' current deal. Buffalo's best offensive player should be Buffalo's highest-paid offensive player. When push comes to shove, Peters does still have a point - he deserves more money.
#3 - Establishing Precedent: This might be a good time for the Bills to establish a precedent within the organization - signing Peters would say "we recognize when a player deserves to be paid, and we're willing to do said paying". Making sure Peters gets to camp before he gets paid is an important stance to take as part of this precedent, but it's also important to pay the man. You work with me, I'll work with you. That's the right precedent to establish here - and if, miraculously, they somehow secure Peters' help with this in the near future, they might just take this step.
#4 - Developing Trent Edwards: Need I mention that Priority Number One for this team since Jim Kelly's retirement has been finding a long-term answer at quarterback? Well, the Bills think they may have found the answer in Edwards, but his potential development takes a hit with Peters sitting at home. Developing Edwards is the most important objective for the Bills to hit to ensure the long-term on-field viability of this franchise. Paying Peters may help them achieve that, but letting him sit out definitely hurts them.
My take? I'm with the Bills... for now. As I said above, they have every reason to be completely disappointed with Peters and how he's handled this situation. But there will come a point, most certainly before the end of training camp (I'd probably position this crucial point somewhere around the third pre-season game) where they'll have to get Peters onto the field one way or another. Yes, that drags the situation out, but it might have the effect of proving to Peters that he's being an idiot about this.
This is a mess. Definitely not the way we wanted to see the 2008 season start off, folks.
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I'm kind of surprised this has come to this....
I really don’t like the way Peters has approached this, and as much as I value his talent at LT, it almost makes me hope the Bills do play hardball.
What I don’t understand, and I wish some has an answer for, is how did it come to this? In Brandon’s conference yesterday, I thought I heard him say they haven’t spoken with Peters since right after last season. Once they realized he was upset about his contract, shouldn’t they have been proactive, and been negotiating daily since the OTAs? And since his agent is the same one Hardy has, how is it possible that they ignored Peters while doing the rook WR’s deal? This is just not making sense to me…
by krytime on
Jul 25, 2008 8:42 AM EDT
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Exactly
How could the same agent for Peters not say much about a LT that poses to make him 10% of possibly the biggest contract in Bills history, or at least one of them. Peters is going to get paid very well, and frankly his fines for a hold out are nothing compared to what he’ll get paid for this. It is actually smart, oif you think about it. The agent wants him to hold out, because it puts the pressure on, and it may have been the best way to get a deal done fast and maximize potential.
Regardless, I wish he was there, but this is the game I guess
Protect ya neck!
by killascript on
Jul 25, 2008 8:54 AM EDT
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It goes both ways. It’s mind-boggling to think that the Bills didn’t contact Parker AND Parker didn’t contact the Bills.
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 25, 2008 9:02 AM EDT
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Listen to Brandon again
The Bills are pissed that Peters is holding out. The Bills took a chance on Peters, developed him, and he isn’t showing them the smallest amount of courtesy or faith in the Bills to give him a new deal. The Bills will not talk to Peters about his contract until he reports to camp. I was very impressed with Brandon.
by Joe P. on
Jul 25, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
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That is true
though I still don’t understands Peters’ silence. Does he just magically expect a new deal to show up on his doorstep in a picnic basket?
~K
by Kurupt on
Jul 25, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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I'm with you buddy
Remember I called this right after the season was over. I find it hard to believe that I saw this coming and nobody at OBD saw it.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
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I clearly recall scoffing at your idea that Peters would be this dim. You deserve kudos.
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 25, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
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Peters
Another reason for the Bills to play hard ball is the fact that Peters cant go anywhere for 3 years. What is Peter’s really going to do, not play? We all know Peter’s will be there come Week 1. This is not the last year of a deal. Peter’s does not have much to bargain with. If I were the Bills I would say show us again how good you are since you are on a fair contract that paid you well when you were a project and we will do good next season.
Another side note, very few players who have 3 years out of a 5 year deal end up renegotiating. Urlacher had a 9 year deal. CJ who has 4 yrs remaining is in camp, same with Burress. I guess Hester is not in camp but I believe he is still on his rookie contract which is slightly different. I unfortunately wont do the research but I would love to see a breakdown of any starter in the last 5-7 years who held out with more than 1 year remaining on their contract. See what there current contract was, what position, what happened.
by Berg79 on
Jul 25, 2008 9:01 AM EDT
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Love seeing this, too. Browns TE Kellen Winslow wants a new deal, with three years left on his current deal. Sound familiar? But, unlike Peters (are you listening, Jason?), Winslow is in camp.
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 25, 2008 9:09 AM EDT
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He should be there. The Bills have shown good faith wth other players in the past, as Brandon has stated and chances are, by some point this season he would have a new deal, but probably after Lee Evans if that is in the works.
Protect ya neck!
by killascript on
Jul 25, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
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Peters needs to show up
First of all, he needs to show up so they can all sit down and talk.
Second, he’s got to prove he’s willing to set this aside for the time being, at least, and make a committment to the team.
If Kellen Winslow Jr is being used as an example, we know Peters’ is going about this wrong :)
~K
by Kurupt on
Jul 25, 2008 9:59 AM EDT
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Enough: Peters is a Jerk
Nobody wants to say it and everyone is tiptoeing around using more gentle language but the fact is now we know that Jason Peters is a selfish jerk. There is nothing to discuss here. The Bills showed faith in him when he was a nobody and he doesn’t have the simplest decency to play one more year, or even a half year, while waiting for the Bills to hammer out deals with Evans and Crowell. Not only is he a selfish jerk, he is a stupid selfish jerk. As Berg mentioned, he has three years under contract and has the potential to be franchise. Schefter is reporting Peters is threatening a one year hold out? Oh really Jason? What kind of threat is that with a three year contract? Stupid, selfish jerk. Osi Umenyiora wants a new contract, he’s getting paid nothing, but he ’s waiting until next year because he realizes the Giants have a special thing going on in New York. Winslow wants a new contract but he’s in camp because he realizes the Browns have a shot to get into the playoffs and shake off a decade of losing. Peters is not stupid, and he obviously understands that the Bills are trying to do the same thing as the Browns. Fact is, we do have something special building here and Peters has proven that the team doesn’t matter to him. Finally, he is a chump. We haven’t seen him play since getting injured at the end of last year and he’d demanding a new contract? Go out for a year and prove you can still play, unless you know that you can’t and that your injury was more serious than he let on. Either way, I’m not usually one to get negitive and angry but this really ticks me off. Jason Peters is a stupid, selfish jerk. Plain and simple. I lost a lot of respect for him and no, he doesn’t deserve to get paid this off-season, he hasn’t earned it anymore after holding out of camp.
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by poz on
Jul 25, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
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Why shouldn't he be selfish?
You say he’s a jerk, I say he’s trying to protect himself in the future. Let us say that he shows good faith and plays for another year under his current deal in hopes of knocking out a new deal before the start of next year. During said year he injures his knee and never plays football again. We’ve seen how the NFL treats it’s injured vets. I know he isn’t going to make chump change this year, and what he is set to make, most of us could live off of for a very long time, but if you were going to be injured and unable to work again at the age 26, would you rather have $4 Million in your bank account or $20 Million?
I’m not saying he’s wrong or that if I were him I wouldn’t be there either, I would show up. I’m just saying that I understand that football is a violent game and players get injured never to play again all the time. I find it very difficult to call him a jerk, for trying to protect his future.
Also it’s not like he’s looking for a trade. If he signs a new deal he will be in Buffalo for a very long time. I’m sure he’s not trying to burn bridges.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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5M dead presidents may be a good enough reason?
Peters earned a 5M$ signing bonus in 2006, when he as LT was a bet and not a pro bowler. This alone would be a good reason to show some gratitude to the Bills (IMHO at least). He wants to play it hard, that’s ok, but he is unlikely to receive any gratitude from (most of) the Bills fans for the time being.
by patamunzo on
Jul 25, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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Not saying you're wrong
I don’t feel sorry for him at all. I’m just saying that I understand what he is trying to do and I don’t consider him a jerk for doing it.
His way of going about it might be flawed, but the reasons behind it are not.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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I'm not sure
I’m not sure his move is smart even money wise. Can Peters reaaly ask top 5 OT money at the present? I suspect not. He has one single great season, and he played the position for what, 3 years?
If he plays 2008 as he did 2007, then there is evidence he is a legitimate top 5 OT – and he deserves to be payed as such. But I doubt that any NFL team would be willing to give him 9-10M$ per season now.
by patamunzo on
Jul 25, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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got to disagree
As mentioned by patamunzo he has made plenty of money, much more than he deserved because the Bills showed faith in him. If he goes down with an injury it is not like he will live his life struggling. And according to your logic than after every year a player improves his play he should hold out for more money on the off chance he goes down and his career is over. If money was the only consideration than Osi Umenyiora would not be at camp and neither would Kellen Winslow. Everybody has to take risks in life and football players should be no different especially considering that Peters is now a millionaire. Also, I believe that if Peters had just shown up he would have gotten his contract. He is a disgrace and yes he is selfish. On a team with a second year QB and a young offense he should be a leader not a distraction. Osi Umenyiora went to camp unhappy with his contract because he is a selfless leader. I’m not saying I won’t cheer for Peters when he hits the field but it will be because he is wearing a Bills jersey. Fans cheer for talented athletes on their team who are jerks all the time. I’m just disappointed in him. As I mentioned, I lost a lot of respect for him.
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by poz on
Jul 25, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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He is a disgrace and yes he is selfish.
He’s made one poor choice, I think that is a little strong thats all.
I agree that he should be handling this differently, just that I can’t call him a digracefull, jerk as you have.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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fair enough
I think what has made me most angry is that he had one good year ending with an injury and all of a sudden we have a holdout.
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by poz on
Jul 25, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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How about ungrateful jerk?
Peters is on my last nerve. Even if he does get hurt, he has already made more money than I will in my lifetime. He deserves more money, well so do our soldiers, policeman, and teachers, all of which are in more danger on a daily basis than Peters. How about the next time you call 911 you hear, “Sorry, we want more money before we can assist you”!
by Joe P. on
Jul 25, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
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Now you are getting into a whole other argument. I agree with you, but it is a different argument.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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How?
You said he was holding out for more money to protect his future. Well his future is already much more secure than 90% of Americans. If he got hurt today, maybe he won’t be able to live in a mansion and be waited on hand and foot by the Jills, but he would be comfortable by my standards.
by Joe P. on
Jul 25, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
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I ment with the 911 comment.
But it is also like I said would you rather have $4 million in your bank account or $20 Million?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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And when you have 20 million,
you want 40. Like I said, more than I will ever make and enough to live comfortably. Beyond that, I can’t agree with the argument that he needs more money for some altruistic reason.
by Joe P. on
Jul 25, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
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Thats not fair
He hasn’t asked for $40 million. He is easily the teams best offense linemen and he is paid barley more then the least paid (and concensus worst member) of the O-line. I would want more money too. And so would you.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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you don't always get what you want
Sure he wants more money and sure you, Joe and myself would as well. But that doesn’t mean because you want more money holding out is ok. If I were Jason Peters I can honestly say I would have reported to camp on time, had my agent meet with the Bills and let them know that if I prove I do not have a lingering injury and am performing than they will guarantee me a big pay day midseason or by seasons end. The reason why? This is a team that gave me a pretty reasonable contract when I was still an undrafted TE converting to a LT. This is a team that made me a millionaire when I didn’t deserve to be one. And this is a team on the rise that can compete. So I would play and hope I don’t get a career ending injury, just like any other player in the NFL and work my butt off to prove I deserve the raise, rather than demanding one after a short-term of achievement at a high level. Its just common sense.
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by poz on
Jul 25, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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nothing to do with fair
it is human nature! I never said he asked for 40m.
by Joe P. on
Jul 25, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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Biggest Point Here....
I think the biggest thing lost here is that Peters is now cleary the best Offensive Lineman the Bills have (maybe thier best/most important offensive player) and he is being paid like the 3rd best lineman. Dockery and Walker are paid more…..I mean really Langstson Walker?? Dockery, I guess, maybe is passable, but not Walker.
I see the Bills side, I see Peters side. It’s sad it got to this b/c now the Bills look weak if the give in. But they need him and they need to pay him. He is an elite NFL OT (these guys get paid!) and his deal is the 3rd best on the team….That is not acceptable. Not saying Peters actions are acceptable either, but this guy should’ve been locked up long ago.
by Tasker89 on
Jul 25, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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I looked but couldn’t find the exact numbers but, Peters makes less then both Walker and Dockery, and if he makes more then Fowler and Butler, it’s not that much more, not after Butlers extension.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on
Jul 25, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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Mr. Peters
whether you know it or not (or whether you care), you are neither impressing the Bills organization or your fans by holding out with three years left on a deal you just signed two years ago. I believe you have already made your point by holding out of OTA’a. If this is your agent’s idea to hold out of training camp, I suggest you fire him and find a new agent. You may be doing yourself a favor in the long run. For now, you are only hurting yourself and your team by holding out.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on
Jul 25, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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This is now the biggest holdout story in the NFL – even Devin Hester has reported to camp.
Peters is tarnishing his reputation pretty severely here. Can’t believe he’d be this dumb…
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 25, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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He'll show up soon
he has too. Unless he wants to be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars. Devin Hester had to show up soon or he would have been fined more than his contract is worth for this year.
~K
by Kurupt on
Jul 25, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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here's something interesting
I just read from the ESPN NFL blog:
Making the situation even more intriguing is that Peters’ agent, Eugene Parker, also represents receiver James Hardy, a second-round pick whose signing was [just] announced.“It has been very brief with Eugene,” Brandon said. “Everything really has been focused on James to date. It really has been a very quiet situation (regarding Peters), and that is as honest as I can be about it.”
Sounds like a bunch of posturing to me. Wouldn’t be surprised if they hammer out a deal over the weekend… or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
by Zumone on
Jul 25, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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I can tell you right now, Zumone, that nothing will happen unless Peters shows up in Pittsford.
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 25, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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No doubt.
and what a surprise. Parker represents Devin Hester as well…
by Zumone on
Jul 25, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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That’s actually VERY interesting. If Peters follows suit, we may see him in camp tomorrow… that’s definitely an interesting development. Hester was making the same “year long holdout” claims yesterday, and now he’s at Bears camp. Could this be close to over?
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 25, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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I hope so
for the sake of everyone involved…
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on
Jul 25, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
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Here’s an interesting quote from Bears DT Tommie Harris, a Eugene Parker client, on whether or not Parker was behind Hester’s one-day holdout. This applies to Peters directly (same agent), and it proves that this is almost assuredly Peters’ decision:
’’That decision was not made by Eugene,’’ Harris said. ’’Agents can’t make you do anything. An agent works for you. But he also has to support whatever you decide to do.’’If Devin told them, ‘I’m not going to camp,’ all they can do is tell him to go. When he says no, they have to take up his side. It’s like paying a lawyer: He has to say whatever you tell him to say. He can’t just get up there and tell the truth.’‘
by Brian Galliford on
Jul 25, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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If that's true
Peters is making a big mistake by holding out at this point in the game, IMO. All he’s accomplishing is ticking off the Bills FO and swinging fan opinion of him from positive to negative because he’s not showing up for work. We all have a pretty good idea of what happens when we don’t show up for work, and it’s not pretty.
My suggestion, Jason: show the Bills’ braintrust you’re at least willing to work with them by showing up for training camp. Now the ball will be back in their court, the fans will lend you their influence and support, and some of the onus will be back on them to get this resolved.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on
Jul 25, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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Difference
Between hester and peters is If hester would have sat out the season he’d lose a year of service toward free agency, and he wouldn’t get credit for one of the two years left on his rookie contract. (To get credit for a contract year, he needs to show up by Week Ten of the regular season.)
Peters already has 4 vested years
by gatornation on
Jul 25, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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But if Peters holds out the entire year we would still have him under contract for three years after this one. So it would be almost pointless to do so because he would then find himself in the same position with less leverage. Regardless, if he was at camp they would be talking with him to pay him.
by pozzed51 on
Jul 25, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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True
My point was showing the difference in why Hester reported as opposed to the reasons why Peters should report.
by gatornation on
Jul 25, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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Not angry or concerned
I not upset at Peters he is doing this on the advice of others, thinking it is the best way to go about things and people are entitled to use the leverage they have to get the best deal.
However, to me this is a no-brainer decision…the Bills should not whether Peters reports to camp, doesn’t report to camp, reports but doesn’t play due to a made up injury whatever pay Peters until next offseason. I like the way Peters plays just like the rest of you. And just like everyone else I recognize he is one of three players we need on the field probably the most imp of the 3 (Lynch and Whitner the other 2), but I need to see it again for one more season before he deserves top 5 tackle money. And Peters owes it to some degree to the Bills after the contract he got as a project.
When Schobel got his money he had 5 10+ sack season (or something close to that). I also dont care at all if Peters misses the next 3 weeks as long as he is ready to go come late august. Also, if the Bills tell Peters he will get a legit offer and re-negotiation if he shows it again then it is added motivation. Lean and hungry is always better than fat and content.
by Berg79 on
Jul 25, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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What if Peters broke his leg?
Why not look at Peters’ holdout as though it was a season ending injury? If he’s going to be a putz there’s not much Buffalo can do about it, much in the same way that the team couldn’t do anything about it if Peters broke his leg. The main difference between a long term hold out and a long term injury is that the holdout still occupies a roster spot while the injured guy can be put on IR….unless the team thinks the player might be back before the end of the year in which case he occupies a roster spot.
The team can’t afford to cave. Caving to this tactic only invites others to do the same. As much as I don’t want to see Chambers in the starting lineup the team will suffer more in the long run by reworking Peters’ contract under threat of a long holdout. Hopefully Peters will decide to act like a man and honor his contract in the very near future. The team has a demonstrated willingness to re-do deals for players who don’t piss and moan about their contracts but instead show up and work hard.
If this turns really ugly and Peters tries to report week 10 I’d consider putting him on the PUP list for the last 6 weeks of the season. Players who turn their backs on their teams shouldn’t be expected to be received with open arms late in the season.
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Jul 25, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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