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Breaking Down Buffalo's Upcoming Cornerback Battles


Where does Youboty fit in, if at all? (Photo Source)

Last year, cornerback was an area of weakness for the Buffalo Bills.  Injuries to veteran Jason Webster and Ashton Youboty forced Jabari Greer into the starting lineup, and while he performed generally very well, depth was so thin that the Bills often played safeties (such as Donte Whitner, Jim Leonhard and Bryan Scott) on slot receivers.

Clearly, depth is no longer of concern at the position.  The team's two starters - Greer and Terrence McGee - return.  Youboty is back.  The team added veteran Will James via free agency, who brings some much needed experience and size to the group.  And, of course, the team added three corners through the draft; two (top pick Leodis McKelvin, fourth-rounder Reggie Corner) are expected to stick.

With six players that could see playing time at the position, one does wonder: exactly what will Buffalo's depth chart look like on opening day 2008?  It's anybody's guess - but it's also the off-season, so let the guessing games begin:

McGee Starts; Who Joins Him?
It's fairly clear at this point that McGee, as the team's most tenured corner - both in terms of roster stay as well as starting experience - will start.  Who joins him?  As it appears right now, Greer - a former undrafted free agent who only last year saw significant time at corner - has that role; he's expected to receive a big training camp push, however, from the rookie McKelvin.

The most logical guess at this point is that due to his experience, Greer will begin the 2008 season as a starter.  As the team's top draft pick, however, McKelvin will be force-fed onto the field in some fashion, whether it's as a return man or in the defensive backfield.  If McKelvin accrues enough playing time early on, he'll very likely be starting by season's end.  Don't be shocked, however, if he straight up steals the job from Greer prior to the start of the regular season.

Four-Way Competition at Nickel
Curiously, McKelvin could land anywhere from starting cornerback to #4 corner prior to the start of the season.  As it stands now, it's the veteran James - who has eight years of experience as a member of the Giants and Eagles - leading the race for the nickel corner job.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, either - James' size would be an asset against some of the league's best slot receivers, in particular New England's tiny Wes Welker.

The loser of the Greer/McKelvin battle at starting corner, however, will provide the chief competition for James, who also must beat out Youboty and the rookie Corner for the job.  Corner can be mentally eliminated right now; as a fourth-round pick, he certainly won't have to play early - and he probably won't.  He is expected to take over the nickel duties at some point in the foreseeable future, however.  If McKelvin doesn't start, you bet that he'll at least steal some reps from James at nickel - if he doesn't outright beat him for that job as well.

McKelvin's pre-season progress is the wild card.  If he proves he deserves to be on the field (and chances are high that he will), he will probably play some nickel, and perhaps even get some of Greer's reps on the outside as well.  Where McKelvin lands will effectively place Greer and James on the depth chart; their '08 playing time depends as much on McKelvin as it does on their own play.

The Youboty Factor
Other than McKelvin, the other wild card in the Bills' corner scenarios is Youboty.  The third-year cornerback, once hyped as the eventual replacement to Nate Clements, has struggled with injuries and inconsistency through his first two NFL seasons.  Much of that has been outside of his control, but the fact remains that while he's still got potential, he hasn't delivered on it in two seasons to this point.

Youboty has been mentioned in trade rumors throughout the spring, primarily in regards to the Cleveland Browns, and he'll remain one of the better young options available via trade throughout the summer.  If Corner - or even another rookie, Kennard Cox - proves that he can at least stick on the roster, or better yet play in a pinch, Youboty could be expendable.  I'm not saying I'd push for a trade - I'm of the mind that you can never have enough talent at cornerback - but if a trade offer comes along that the Bills can't pass up, they just might pull the plug.  If Youboty stays, he could wind up anywhere from fourth on the depth chart to outright released.

One thing is certain - despite all of the question marks surrounding the pecking order, the Bills are in a far better situation at this position than they were a year ago.  Depth is a good thing, even when you have good players sitting on the bench.  There are quite literally two huge battles about to take place at this position (starting corner, nickel corner), so get ready for some excellent battles come July 25.

Poll
Let's say, hypothetically, the Bills keep five corners on the active roster. Who's the odd man out? (Note: McGee, Greer, and McKelvin are considered locks.)
Will James
71 votes
Ashton Youboty
160 votes
Reggie Corner
88 votes

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Here's my problem

My problem for figuring out what I want the Bills top three corners to look like is Will James. I would normally say that having a McGee/McKelvin starting duo with Greer at nickel would be what I want at corner. However, James’ size and experience make me want him on the field as well, which means I’d like to see him at nickel, which means that Greer or McKelvin goes to the bench. Well, McKelvin is just too good to go to the bench and I think Greer has earned playing time for this season after his admirable effort last year. But James could bring some toughness and even allow us to explore using nickel coverage on plays that are clear passing downs because he can help against the run. Gha! I’m so confused…....

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Jul 8, 2008 12:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not yet a problem

McKelvin hasn’t proven he can cut it at the NFL level. He may well shine in the preseason but until he does it’s too early to describe him as ‘too good to go to the bench.’ For now, McKelvin looks to be the #4 guy….and that’s based mainly on his draft status.

by Ron From NM on Jul 8, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

going into the season

do you think our top three going into game 1 would be McGee, Greer, James? And if it is, and McKelvin comes on strong does he replace Greer but leave James in the nickel, thereby dumping Greer to 4th? Or does he take Greer’s starting spot and push Jabari to nickel, or does he take James’ spot at the nickel and learn there for a year?

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Jul 8, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

James should be worried

The team has shown a willingness to sign and then dump free agents in order to develop draft choices. For example, Teyo Johnson barely had time to settle into his locker before the Bills cut him and settled on Fine. If, and it’s just an if, McKelvin blows away Perry and Jauron in camp and in preseason I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see McKelvin start, Greer at nickle and Youboty and Corner fight for dime.

by Ron From NM on Jul 8, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please explain to me how McKelvin looks to be the #4 CB “based on his draft status”. He was the #11 overall pick!

I’d say, based on his draft status, Greer is keeping the seat warm. I still think McKelvin is a starter by the second half of the season, and like Kumario mentioned below, is stealing significant playing time from the likes of Greer and James early on.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft Status

First, McKelvin is a mortal lock to make the team barring some kind of sordid arrest involving underage girls and a 5 gallon bucket of pot. First and second rounders never get cut the same year they get drafted. I would have added third rounders but Arizona dumped that Buster LB before the start of last season.

Until McKelvin proves (training camp/preseason/regular season in the nickle or dime role) himself he won’t be starting. Greer is the seat warmer but then how long he keeps the seat warm will depend entirely on McKelvin. If he’s slow to catch on, like Youboty, Greer could hold the #2 job for quite a while.

If (and that’s a big if) the team keeps James and/or Youboty outperforms McKelvin one of those two guys will be the #3…leaving McKelvin in the dime role.

He won’t drop to the 5th spot because he wouldn’t see the field. We know that Jauron will put a CB (such as Youboty) who isn’t quite up to starting on the field in order to give the guy a chance to develop.

So, there it is. McKelvin hasn’t done anything at the NFL level so my guess is that he’s penciled in as the #4 corner at this point in time. We know from the Preston/Butler swap that Jauron won’t hesitate to go with a largely untried player if experience suggests that that player is better than the guy currently starting. McKelvin, as I noted in an earlier post, could wrest the #2 away from Greer if he blows away Perry and Jauron in camp and preseason.

My personal guess is that Greer holds off McKelvin through camp and preseason but that McKelvin overtakes Youboty and/or James by the start of the season. For now, I don’t see him being higher than #4.

by Ron From NM on Jul 8, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess our difference is just perspective. Regardless of where he starts the season, McKelvin is taking advanced classes, and he’ll be plugged into the lineup ASAP. #11 picks don’t ride the pine for long unless they’re quarterbacks. He’ll play, and he’ll play a lot soon.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CB

Right now, I’d be willing to say Greer is a lock to start. Unless he is injured, I expect him to have another good training camp, as always. I don’t see how McKelvin can steal the starting job for game 1 unless he absolutely blows the coaching staff away this summer. As a rookie, I don’t know if that’s even possible.

I still think we keep 6 CB’s, especially after last year when injuries were the norm. We’ve got to have quality depth this year, especially since I would have to expect Corner may take some time.

~K

by Kurupt on Jul 8, 2008 1:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I think they all stay, with maybe Corner or Youboty on the Practice squad. If Youboty goes to the squad he would get snatched, so I do like having all of them. Especially when we play NE, we need strong players in the slot. Even they lost Stallworth, I would like to see our four best corners on the field, or even a defensive formation with 2/3 down lineman, 1/2 LBs and then 5 corners and two safeties. I really like our secondary this year and with the pick up of a strong bigger sized corner in James and the blue-chipper in McKelvin, we have everything I wanted.

This town needs an enema!

by killascript on Jul 8, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't we have this conversation

about a certain rookie LB, who wouldn’t be able to start in the middle? If McKelvin is close to ready, he will get the start. Whitner is not working with him just to be a nice guy. Youbooby may not make the 53 man roster. If he can’t challenge for the nickel spot, then trade him if we can. We have enough depth at CB to risk keeping the younger guys over him. I would put McGee and McKelvin (Mc squared) as starting corners and let Greer and James fight it out for the nickel spot.

by Joe P. on Jul 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poz was drafted to start right away

I’m not sure the same is true for McKelvin. There was nobody that Poz truly had to beat out (Digi, no) and once he showed he was capable to handle it from day 1, he was entrenched.

McKelvin has Greer in front of him who played decent last year and will probably have another good camp. I just don’t see how he can beat him out and I’m not even convinced he’s ready to start.

~K

by Kurupt on Jul 8, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unrelated i know but still...wow!

Despite being unrelated I had to share this and its not fanpost worthy but it is a pretty incredible statement from rotoworld. The website posted this about our very own Steve Johnson:

Bills signed seventh-round WR Steve Johnson to a multi-year contract.
Both from physical and in-college production standpoints, it’s difficult to comprehend why so many teams let Johnson fall to round seven. He was also impressive in minicamp season, and if Johnson keeps it up deep into the summer, he could push fellow rookie James Hardy for snaps opposite Lee Evans.

Pushing James Hardy for snaps? That’s then assuming he’s passing Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish on the depth chart. I don’t know if I buy this but rotoworld has never given me information that proved incorrect in the past. I just don’t know why they would post this unless they had a reason.

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Jul 8, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft Analysis

What Rotoworld says maybe true, but it wasn’t just NFL teams that passed on him—all the draft analysis I read before the draft didn’t rate Johnson very high (about 6th, 7th or undrafted prediction).

by labill on Jul 8, 2008 3:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the contrary, I think this IS FanPost-worthy, poz. It’s an interesting discussion that you may want to start up over there…

by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just did so Brian, thanks

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Jul 8, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet! If you want to jump in on this discussion, folks, be sure to check out the poz FanPost.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greer and James are different players

I have no problem letting James sit as #4. I also think the highest McKelvin gets by week 1 is Nickel back (See Evans, wk 1 2004. He was behind Reed to start).

I predict that for the first 6-8 weeks of the season, we go Greer/McGee with McKelvin getting plenty of snaps and making some plays. By that point, Greer starts to fade a bit and McKelvin takes over the #2. From there, Greer and James split the nickel role depending on package and situation with Corner as their backup, Cox on PS, and Youboty traded for a Cleveland 5th.

Second scenario is, Bills value McGee’s ability in the slot (his quicks against Welker’s quicks) and McKelvin slowly starts to replace him on the outside in Nickel, and then in base situations. No knock on McGee, but the Bills like Greer on the outside with his speed, and McGee on the inside with his agility. James is Dime/situational back and Youboty/Corner runs 5th. I say we keep 5 CBs with Wilson, Ko, Whitner, Wendling, and Scott at S, so unless we keep 11 DBs, or PS Corner (unlikely), I don’t see a spot for Youboty.

GO BLUE!!!

by Kumario! on Jul 8, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

James may be key

Will James is a big, strong corner, something we have been lacking. I think the Bills will match the different talents they have at corner on certain matchups with WRs. I think it was here that this was talked about in an article about Fewell trying to do this in the past, but being unable to do to lack of depth. I think now we have the depth and he may go back to trying this mix/match method, if all the players perform at a high level.

This town needs an enema!

by killascript on Jul 8, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, you have it backwards, killascript. Fewell’s default position was that one corner should play one side of the field, which he did with Clements/McGee when he first started as DC in Buffalo. It was a lack of pass rush coupled with a lack of depth that led Fewell to match up Clements on opponents’ top wideouts, something he’s continued for about a season and a half now on a pretty consistent basis.

So, in short, I think you’re right – we may see some mixing and matching. I don’t think that’s ideally how Fewell would like to run things (evidenced by his early decisions), but this could work now that we have a nice mix of talents at the position.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the past is any indicator,

McKelvin probably won’t be starting in Week 1. With the talent and depth we have on the roster right now, we have the luxury of bringing him along gradually until he’s ready. Which will probably be somewhere around Week 4.

Probably McGee and Greer will be the starters and James the nickel for Week 1, if Jauron’s track record carries over here. They’re going to have some very difficult decisions to make regarding who stays and who goes in the defensive backfield at the end of training camp this time around…

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Jul 8, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Youboty's a goner...

I like having McKee, McKelvin, Greer, and James, all in no particular order, as my top for CBs. I think no matter how it plays out, we’ll definitely be getting better play in our secondary this year.

The only way I see Youboty beating out Corner is if neither one contributes to STs, and Corner turns into a dud.

I was really pulling for Youboty last year. Considering this is supposed to be an easy defense for a CB to play (If’m I’ wrong, someone please correct me), I can’t figure out why the guy hasn’t “got it” yet. I think the worst part is that I didn’t here his name much in the OTAs. Knowing they signed a FA and drafted 3 CBs, you would think he would have been “scared,” and thus played like it. I was hoping to hear stories of how he studied the playbook all offseason, showed up in great shape, watched film morning, noon, and night. But nothing. It’s possible that all three things did happen, but I doubt it.

We’ve all heard that Cle was looking for a CB – too bad we couldn’t have swung a deal for Bentley.

Also, one quick question – why do we need to have a bigger corner in the slot (like James) when most slot WRs are on the smallish side? I would think a guy like Greer or even Mckee would flourish more on the inside, and guys with size like James and Mckelvin would be better off outside.

Poz – definitely start about a FanPost on Johnson. My thinking is that it turns into a “Reed must go” thing.

by krytime on Jul 8, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It happens way too often to be a mistake

so why do you call him McKee instead of McGee?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 8, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because I'm dumb.

I do live in Buffalo, and we’re all up in arms here about the lack of moves the Sabs made as well as bringing up past bungles. Jay Mckee was one of my favorite hockey players. Maybe it’s subconcious?

No – the more I think about it – I’m just dumb. Apologies to Terrence…

by krytime on Jul 8, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You do it so often I figured you did it on purpose.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Jul 8, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

I’ve noticed before too. I’ve always been curious, but never wanted to point it out. Seriously you should do a search for “McKee” on the site. I think you will be shocked how often you call him that.

by kaisertown on Jul 8, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guys - I've been "arguing" with you two for quite some time.

You are like friends – you should have said something a long time ago. Trust me, my “feelings” wouldn’t have been hurt…

I actually can’t believe none of you ripped me for it. I’m surprised I never got something like, “You say this, and blah, blah, blah, and that…and you can’t even spell the starting CBs name right?”

by krytime on Jul 8, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"reed must go"

i can see the banner being raised now!

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Jul 8, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s the FanPost Superfan82 has been dreaming of…

by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In response to your question about a bigger corner in the slot: you neutralize shifty slot receivers by jamming them. Small guys aren’t as good at jamming as big guys. If James can knock Wes Welker on his @$$ within the first five yards, then he’s doing his job exceptionally well.

by Brian Galliford on Jul 8, 2008 4:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a good and fair point...

From my athletic days, my thinking on D was always fast guys guard fast guys, big guys guard big guys. I try to keep it simple.

For what it’s worth, I think Greer is a heckuva football player. I’m hoping McKelvin wins the starting spot, and Greer holds down the slot. I think James is best fit for insurance, and experience.

by krytime on Jul 8, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if "win in your division"

is step A in a route to the playoffs, I think the Bills have assembled a cast of cornerbacks that will be a factor in helping them close on the Pats.
James’ size is an asset on both Welker in the slot, and the contact averse Moss outside.
I’m pretty sure McKelvin makes the squad, and the Bils didn’t spend a 4th on a kid from Akron for no reason. From what I read, Reggie Corner has freaky interception instincts.
Some team will certainly lose a corner in the pre season – heck, might be the Bills, and if so, we’re in good shape. Otherwise, another team looks at the unfullfilled potential of Youbouty from a known college cornerback factory, and gives up a decent future draft pick for him.

by LeClaireBill on Jul 8, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Best guess

As long as Leodis McKelvin is signed and in camp on time, here’s my predicted depth chart by opening day against the eventual Super Bowl champions from Seattle:

McGee
James
McKelvin
Greer
Corner

I think all of the kind words from Buffalo’s coaches about Jabari Greer and his position on the team are nothing more than a reward for a gutsy effort last year. In actuality, signing James and promising him a chance to compete for a starting job and drafting 3 CBs, including a 1st rounder, speaks far more loudly about Buffalo’s evaluation of Greer’s play last year. In effect, it wasn’t good enough for the NFL My guess is Greer lines up as the starting corner early in camp and James and McKelvin both pass him on the depth chart by the second preseason game.

More importantly, here’s my depth chart for after the bye week as Buffalo battles back from a horrible start to regain some respectability before ultimately wimping out on Jauron in December to finish a very comfortable 7-9 (We’re a rebuilding team! Look at all the injuries we had! It’s amazing we won even 7 games! I bill-lieve Dick Jauron has us on the right track! I don’t care that we scored 13 points a game, let’s draft a safety in the 1st round…God, I hate February through April as a Bills fan.):

McKelvin
McGee
James
Corner
Greer

...My last point on the subject is that Buffalo better not trade Youboty until they’re sure they’re going to make it to opening day with the the top 5 CBs healthy. I almost want Buffalo to keep 6 CBs after last season, but I’m starting to think it’s not practical. In any case, we don’t need more street free agents playing large chunks of time in the secondary again next season. Keep Youboty as insurance until the final cut.

Never forget 56-10. Revenge.

by SuperFan82 on Jul 8, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yikes!

Part of this post was a little dark, SF. Isn’t this the time of year when hope is supposed to spark eternal? Guess you feel the team has let you down a few times in the last few years.
Got a feeling about this one that you apparently don’t share. We may have a quarterback.

by Defensewinsgames on Jul 9, 2008 6:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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