Notes From The Line--Steelers
It looks like I'm not going to have time to go through the games to analyze the line until Friday afternoons or Saturdays this season. Last season I was typically able to do it on Sundays and sometimes even have the write up done by the end of the day. It would be better to have it done on Sunday (or Monday at the latest) as that allows info about the line to be added to everyone's take on the game as a whole but I now work on Sunday nights. Enough whining. I'll talk about the Bills' DTs first because it's much shorter than the offensive line bit.
Stroud and Williams were on the field for runs 1, 2, 5 and 6. Williams drew a single lineman each time while Stroud was doubled on all but the 2nd run. Stroud made them pay. He shed his block and ran down Willie Parker (!) from behind for a short gain. While the Steelers clearly didn't game plan for the Bills they knew Stroud well enough to double him on runs 75% of the time. When doubled, by the way, Stroud *can* be moved. In fact on the first running play he was moved all the way back to where the Bills huddle was going to be on the next play. It took the guard and center (Hartwick, not Mahan who graded very well against Buffalo last year and played with the 2nd unit....man, a trade would be great) to do it allowing other defenders to fill and stop the play for no gain. When Stroud is in the game, watch him at the snap. If two guys engage him it's a run. If one guy engages him it's most likely a pass. Williams will be one of the main beneficiaries in terms of seeing his tackle numbers go up. Run 6 was a good example. Williams held his ground in the run lane, shed the guard and stopped Parker for a 1 yard gain.
Williams and Stroud were in on passes 1 through 8. Williams was doubled on passes 5 and 6 while Stoud was never doubled. Passes 4 and 7 were screens so you wouldn't expect any of the linemen to be doubled. On passes 1, 2, 3 and 8 the Steelers apparently (rightly) believed that Williams isn't *that* much of a pass rushing threat.
There were some real oddities on the offensive line. I'll note them as I go. People who have read my ramblings for some time will no doubt recall my utter disdain for the abandonment of the A-gap on run plays. It's almost exclusively due to the subpar play the team has at center. (Mahan was playing 2nd string....trade! Trade now!) The Bills attempted to compensate for the weakness at center by employing a blocking scheme that resembled an 'L'. For a run to the right the LT, LG and C more or less stood their ground, though sometimes the LG pulled. The RG and RT attempted to crash down the line towards their left. So, the LT, LG and C formed the bottom of an (inverted in this case) 'L' while the RG and RT formed the side. A tight end, WR, back and/or pulling LG would then form a parallel line to the 'L' in order to create a rushing lane. If it sounds needlessly complicated (particularly on short yardage plays) it is. It would be far more straightforward (offensive line pun!) to plunge into the A-gap and get the needed yard. The good news is that I didn't see that particular blocking pattern employed once against the Steelers. It's looking more like a traditional reliance on the winning of individual battles. Naturally, the blocking scheme will take into account particularly disruptive players, like Wilfork, so we'll see Fowler get plenty of help from Dock and/or Butler.
There's more good news, at least of a sort. The Bills are willing to attempt some A-gap runs. No, they're not working very well (2.5 yard average against Pitts' first stringers) but Turk isn't completely abdicating the gap either. By the gap, the Bills averaged 5.0 in the left C-gap, 5.0 in the left B-gap, 2.5 in the A-gap, 11.5 in the right B-gap (much of it on the strength of a single 16 yard run--3.5 with that run averaged out), and 6.6 in the right C-gap. Take a second to marvel at that. Buffalo ran the ball at will through 4 gaps against the 3rd rated rush defense (1st overall) in the NFL last season. Even taking the left B-gap at 3.5 yards per carry that's still enough to move the chains.
Walker had an up and down night with run blocking. He had two good runs, 1 and 7, and two bad runs, 2 and 3. He did decently on 5 runs. On runs 2 and 3 he was beaten on the first step. The LB ran right past the RB on run 2 and chased the play from behind on run 3. On run 1 Walker drove the DE 5 yards down the line away from the play and on run 7 he tossed a LB out of the run lane. That first step almost cost the Bills dearly on pass 7. The DE blew right past him and sacked Edwards, almost causing a fumble on the 2 yard line. Walker was helped only once, and then he really didn't need it. It looks like Turk has a degree of confidence in his ability to adjust to speed rushers. I'm not as convinced.
Dock, the subject of much discussion the past couple of days, had a really good day on run plays. He had good plays on runs 1, 3, 7 and 8 weighed against zero bad plays. In each of those plays he took on LBs either in space or removed them from the hole. He was solid, but not spectacular, on all 13 of the pass plays he was in the game.
Fowler, well, is Fowler. He had a good play (run 4) where he went to the 2nd level and *drove* a soon-to-be-humiliated-in-a-film-session LB out of the hole. He also had a bad run play (run 1) where he didn't do anyone much good, particularly Butler who really needed a hand on the play. His 6 pass plays were all decent. Fowler, for whatever reason, left the game after the first series and was replaced by--wait for it--Duke Preston. Ugh.
After the first run play, in which he was driven into the backfield and discarded like a recently murdered Juarez whore, Butler turned in an okay performance. He had a couple of good run plays (4 and 5) in which he turned and--to a limited extent--drove the DT out of the hole without assistance. He did fine on his 13 pass plays, but nothing special.
Chambers may not be the drag on the run game that many of us thought he would be. He had 1 bad run play (and he was in for 18 of them) where he never really blocked anyone. He watched Butler get his flying lesson and then milled around in the 2nd level without ever hitting anyone. (I'm still not sure how Lynch got 7 yards running right on that play.) Chambers balanced that with the 6th run play where he chipped a DE and then put a LB on the ground. He was helped on 2 pass plays out of the 20 he was in the game. While the team would be better off with Peters (if for no other reason that Walker's move to LT means he'll have to deal with speed rushers), if they miss the playoffs it won't be because Chambers is dreadful. He's a very average lineman but the fact that the team ran most effectively to the gaps surrounding him (right B and C) speaks well for him.
Using Chambers as a pivot of sorts I'll go RG-C-LG-LT with the 2nd unit. I only tracked their play through the first drive of the 2nd half, when there weren't any starters out on the field.
Whittle came into the game and did what he does. He didn't have any good or bad plays in either the run or pass facets. He did an okay job across the board, exactly what you'd expect from a back up.
Preston came into the game earlier than I expected. He replaced Fowler after the first series and did better than I thought he would in the run game. Of course, better than I thought was merely average. He, like Whittle, had no good or bad run plays. If you want to break down the A-gap runs between Fowler and Preston, Fowler had 1 for 1 yard (1.0) while Preston had 3 for 9 yards (3.0). I don't know that it means much as Preston's defenders were increasingly second string guys. Preston had back to back bad pass plays. On one he and McCaskill wiped each other out, blocking no one in the process--unless you count the pile people had to run around. On the next Preston missed a block and Losman was sacked right at 2 seconds after the snap. I'm actually hoping that the team put him in early to verify a decision they've made to cut him.
Gaddis came in for a series, gave way to McCaskill for the next, and was then in until I stopped analyzing the line. I'm not sure if the coaches wanted to see McCaskill against the dwindling number of starters the Steelers had on the field or if Gaddis needed to come out for a series for some kind of equipment issue. Gaddis had one bad play (where he tried to pull and simply plowed into the back of his own linemen instead of continuing on until he could hit someone wearing white--Steeler, spectator or official, I'm not a picky man) and a good one in which he chipped a DE and then took out a LB at the 2nd level--which allowed Wright to get 10 more yards on the run. McCaskill was in for 3 runs and was just kind of there. McCaskill and Preston took one another out on a pass play but other than that neither back up LG stood out for good or ill.
Bell had a pretty solid outing for a rookie. He didn't have any bad or good plays (run or pass). Granted, he was facing 2nd teamers but he only looked kind of lost once. In his defense, so did most everyone else--on both teams--on that play. It was kind of like everyone except the back and a couple of LBs thought they were going to a TV break.
I saw Hardy make a good block on a run play and then completely whiff on another. Barnes seems to fall down almost as often as he crashes into a defender. Lynch missed one blitz pick up but followed it up the next play with a good blitz pick up. Losman took two sacks, one which was on Preston and the other was completely on Losman--at 4+ seconds the ball has to be gone. I suspect Bad JP was holding out for a long pass pattern.
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WOw
That’s some great stuff Ron.
Just some quick comments for you…..
Why do you think Mahan is so good? The Steelers brought Hartwick in because Mahan wasn’t that good last year. Sure, he probably dominated our DT’s, but who didn’t? Here’s a good explanation for why I would not want a guy like Mahan. He sounds like Fowler’s brother from another mother.
I voted Extremely Worried, but it’s not because Chambers is awful. He’s mediocre at best, but probably isn’t going to completely derail our O as maybe previously thought. However, having him and Walker (LT) as the tackles is not good for the long term. The sack allowed by Walker is exactly the reason why I am so worried. He is going to struggle mightily against good pass rushers, and we will be facing a good number of them this year. I don’t want to see our QB get crushed because our LT isn’t quick enough to handle speed rushers. We absolutely need Peters and need him soon.
How would you compare the backup interior OL? Are Gaddis and/or McCaskill better than Preston? Could any of them be counted on in case of an injury? Is Whittle pretty much the 3rd Guard at this point, and should he be?
Do you expect significant improvement in our run D due solely to Stroud, or will the double teams pretty much neutralize any advantage we have? A lot of people have also discussed Stroud helping our pass rushers, which I just don’t see happening. Now as you’ve pointed out, it appears he isn’t even doubled on passes, yet we still aren’t getting a push up the middle or any help.
How much better do you envision our run game with Peters back in the lineup? Would it be significant in your opinion, or is the biggest help from him coming back going to be for Trent’s blindside??
Thanks for the great post, as usual. Your Brad Butler description left me giggling….
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the quote from the item you linked to that makes me prefer Mahan over Fowler: “He was fine against 4-man lines but when the 3-man nose lined over him, outweighing him by 60 pounds or so (think Casey Hampton) he had trouble.” Fowler has trouble with 4-3 DTs. In fact, I didn’t see a single DT that I thought Fowler was even ‘fine’ against. Also, the quick exit for Fowler has me wondering about his status. He is supposedly over his injury but if that were the case wouldn’t he be out there getting reps? It’s likely too late to swing a trade but the front office should have been looking at guys like Mahan (recent starters who are better than Fowler) in the offseason.
I was surprised that Turk chose to leave Walker out there on an island. If he winds up playing left tackle look for TEs and RBs to chip on their way out of the backfield if not outright pick up the guy Walker missed. Turk also left Chambers out there on an island. If the offense is keeping guys back about 10% of the time to help out one or the other it won’t be any different (in that respect) from last season. It’s hardly ideal but I think it will work.
Peters should be a little worried about how the offense did against a very good defense. I expected his absence to be easily noticed but, in truth, it wasn’t. He’s a better tackle than either Chambers or Walker but he doesn’t dominate. The run game and pass protection would certainly improve with him in the lineup (better players generally equals better results) so I hope he reports soon in order to get his deal.
I’m hoping that the Steeler’s game was Preston’s last hurrah, a final chance to impress the coaching staff before they repossess his play book. Whittle is a solid backup and I would be surprised to see him fail to make the final roster this season. The only real threat might be Gaddis. With Peters occupying a roster spot (assuming he doesn’t report) I see the Bills keeping no more than 7 additional OLs, the 5 starters, Whittle and likely Bell. He didn’t do badly at all for a guy who the coaching staff has described as a project.
The double teams Stroud commands will lead to a significant improvement in the run defense. Even if Stroud is consistently pushed 5 yards off the line (which I don’t see happening often) Williams is a bit much for many guards to handle without assistance. The Jets games will be telling. They will commit their RG and C to Stroud and Faneca to Williams. Ferguson will have little trouble getting Schobel out of the way so the LBs will have their hands full, particularly if the Jets have a decent lead blocker. If teams like the Jets think they can single up Stroud in order to send their center to the 2nd level they should probably give Willie Parker a call. He’s probably still both sore, pissed and amazed that Stroud was able to run him down from behind.
Stroud is no help at all on pass plays. So far neither the Redskins nor Steelers bothered to double him on pass plays. When the Bills rush 4 (often) the offensive line will generally have an extra body to help out should some defender start to break through. Most often the teams double Williams on pass plays, which should tell you all you need to know about Stroud’s pass rushing reputation. Williams is a handful for one lineman but he’s not exactly reknowned as a sack master.
by Ron From NM on Aug 16, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Jets signed Tony Richardson this offseason, so I would expect the Jets to have a very solid lead blocker. He isn’t a knock your hat off type of player, but he is as technically sound as any FB in the league.
by kaisertown on Aug 16, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for responding
Good stuff again.
I still don’t see how Mahan would be much of an upgrade. Yes, Fowler absolutely stinks, but it’s not like a guy like Mahan is going to be all that great here either. If he struggles so much against a 3-4 D, then Buffalo is definitely not the place for him. With 6 games against the AFC East and the 3-4 D’s the Pats, Jets and Dolphins run, as well as games against Arizona, SD, Cleveland and SF (maybe St. Louis too?), we have well over half our games against these 3 man fronts. I’m not sure who the NT’s are for each of those teams, but many of them employ the bigger space-eating variety. Why bring in another square peg for the round hole?? It seems we’d just be dumping one guy with struggles for another guy with different struggles….maybe that’s just me.
If Peters doesn’t report by week 1, we HAVE to keep 8 other OL IMO. Even if he does report, we may see 8 others. If only Whittle and Bell are kept on top of the 5/6 starters, who is our backup Center? I hate it, but Preston may find his way onto the team again. If he doesn’t, we have to keep Gaddis, don’t we? Whittle hasn’t gotten snaps there, so we almost have to keep one of those two guys.
Man, I hope Stroud’s presence is what helps our run D finally become decent again. The double teams should free up the LB’s, so hopefully those guys are on their game this year as well. I’d have to believe Spencer Johnson will get a lot of snaps in passing situations, maybe McCargo as well, to alleviate some of Stroud’s work and maybe to get a better rusher in there?? Unfortunately, I still don’t see the pass D improving a whole lot this year, but if the run D can pick up, we can still have a successful season defensively….
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 16, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4 defenses
Of the teams Buffalo plays this season how many of them run a good 3-4? The Chargers and Patriots (twice) certainly do. New Jersey has only recently committed to it and may or may not have the personnel for it, depending on how their free agency splurging works out for them. San Fran and Arizona are trending that direction but they aren’t there yet. I don’t recall offhand if the Browns run a base 3-4 or 4-3. The Dolphins, in time, will move to a 3-4. So, for this year the Bills will face 3 upper level 3-4s, possibly 5 or 6. That still leaves 10-11 games where Mahan could outperform Fowler. Buffalo shouldn’t give up a king’s ransom to get the guy but he could make A-gap runs more of a threat. Mahan, by the way, has some of the same struggles as Fowler (with 3-4 NTs) but doesn’t have some of the others (with 4-3 DTs, 3-4 rush LBs or pushy girl scouts who have a cookie quota to meet by dawn).
Whittle can back up either guard or center. I don’t know that he’d do any better than Fowler but he’d likely not do much worse. The roster spots become critical to special teams if Peters is out. Keeping 8 guys and Peters would really hurt the return game.
by Ron From NM on Aug 16, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Linebackers
Ron, thanks for your insight on the O-line. As usual two thumbs down for Fowler. I’d like for someone to analyze the linebackers. I’m not an expert, but from what I saw of the game Keith Ellison was horrible against the run and pass. That TD run by Mendenhall was all Ellison’s fault. He may be this years Mario Haggan. A good special teamer, but a horrible LB. DiGiorgio was also caught dropping back to far in zone coverage. How did Veek and Poz do?
by the Skycap on Aug 16, 2008 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of doing a Fanpost on this...
But this seems like just as good of a spot to put it.
I was reading the newest Bills Digest today (finally got around to it) and there was a short article by Mark Ludwiczak about Melvin Fowler.
“…In reality, he’s a solid player. Fowler’s in the last year of his contract and the team may look for an upgrade at the spot, given that he doesn’t have prototypical size on the beefed up line. But the center definitely does not deserve some of the attacks thrown his way. He’s a cerebral player, doesn’t get dominated by bigger, bull-rushing defesive tackles and is a good teammate in the locker room. Proof of Fowler’s value could be seen last year when he missed time at training camp and Duke Preston filled in. Preston had a dreadful performance in a preseason game against Atlanta and showed he would not be starting material.”
So let me get this right, Fowler is good for the Bills because Preston sucks….Huh?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Aug 16, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Homer
Sireric, anybody that has something positive to say about Fowler’s play must be a homer. And to compare his play to Duke-y Preston is proof in the pudding. Did you read the players diary with Lee Evans? He really impressed me.
by the Skycap on Aug 16, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minny QB hurt
How hard do you think Childress would laugh if the Bills offered Losman and Fowler for Birk?
by Ron From NM on Aug 16, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We could sweeten the pot by adding Preston
Or would that just drive up the price for Birk?
by Ron From NM on Aug 16, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted neutral on Chambers
Doesn’t sound as bad as we give him credit for. Yes, I understand that he’s no Peters, but who else on this team is?
Personally, I’m more concerned about Fowler’s impact on our offense. I wonder if we would see a positive impact if Whittle played center instead. Couldn’t hurt us, right?
While I was reading about our O-line guys running into each other, I was replaying the theme song from the “Bad News Bears” in my head. Um, no, not the Terrorist Bear…
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Aug 18, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs























