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Is Turk Schonert for real?

Well with a day or so to reflect on the latest game for the Bills, I find myself asking the question: Is Turk Schnoert for real? Is he really the anti-steve fairchild?

Of course the jury is still out, but the early returns look good for his offense and his play-calling. In back to back weeks he’s had two different QB’s put up pretty respectable play.

He’s done a masterful job of mixing up the play calling and the tempo by which the offense operates. Granted some of his success can be contributed to the fact that NFL teams have yet to really get a gauge on him.

Schonert is a Bill Walsh (west coast - ball control style) student. He has made it a point to try and focus on getting the ball out to his playmakers in space and letting them…..well…….make plays (novel concept right?)

I have yet to see Schonert completely open up the offense and send the ball down the field. That can be attributed to the fact that it is the preseason (and no need to show off everything right now) and also to the fact that there really hasnt been a need for the “long ball”

It will be interesting to see if Schonert utilizes any “trick plays” in his offense………….of course it can be said that Offensive Coordinators only use trick plays as a way for compensating for a lack-luster offense.

The key for the Bills offense this year will be to score TD’s in the redzone and to sustain drives long enough to keep the defense fresh. So far in the first two games…….Schonert has proved to “fit the bill.”

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Open up the offense

I don’t know why everyone, or at least many, correlate opening up the offense with going deep or using the “long ball”. To me, opening up means going deep into the playbook and using bread-and-butter plays of all types that are real homeruns, which are not only deep plays. Think about Madden for a minute…Now while this may be a bad comparison, for a lot of us, it is our only connection with the mind of a play calling offensive coordinator.
In Madden, on offense, you have those plays that you really like; plays that give you that guarantee TD, or that big 20 yards, but they’re not always deep plays. Sometimes they’re playaction, screens, misdirection runs, etc. The point is, you try and get into a rhythm, where the basic plays are a success, the run is setting up the pass or vice-versa, and then bam; from the thirty yard line, you put the WR in motion and hit the TE on a skinny post towards the goal-line, or whatever. Anyway, just wanted to say that opening up doesn’t always mean going deep.

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Aug 17, 2008 12:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by opening up i meant more along the lines........

of more varied sets and formations (something that was lacking last year) also being less predictable along with yes some occasional deep balls..because lets face it…..Defensive backs will start “sitting” on routes if you dont show them you are willing to go deep.

http://bills.sportsbloggingnetwork.com/

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 17, 2008 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that aspect, but you merely referred to “opening up” in reference to going deep, and that is something alot of fans seem to do. I just wanted to make it clear that there is more to it than that.

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Aug 17, 2008 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jury Still Out...

That is for certain, but I kind of like the idea of a former QB/QB Coach leading a young, promising QB with a pass-oriented offensive scheme.

As you said, I think unpredictability is something that will help the Bills this year, whereas a lack of it hurt them big-time last year. But as for trick plays, that’s definitely not something I’m looking for this year. I just want to see a solid offense move the ball with some standard play-action passes and a solid offensive line. If a “trick play” gets us out of a bad spot once or twice, that’s fine… but mixing up the run and pass a bit should do just fine. Getting too fancy would be a big mistake.

by Optimist on Aug 17, 2008 1:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly like I said.......

using trick plays are sometimes views as a “last resort” for a struggling offense…….and if the Bills continue to move the ball like they have show they are capable too…..then as you said there is no need for it….and using them sparingly could enhance the potency of the “O”

http://bills.sportsbloggingnetwork.com/

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 17, 2008 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it depends on how you define trick plays

It’s one thing to be calling flea-flickers, reverses, and halfback option passes on third and long cough Mike Mularkey cough.

It’s quite another to call plays like the naked bootleg that Dixon took for 47 yards and a score. Misdirection plays like that, along with play-action and screen passes are things the Bills need far more of compared to last year. Anything that gets the defense looking wrong way. Too often last year everyone, including the defense and the watching fans, knew exactly what was being called.

by Krenn on Aug 17, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Not trick plays via that coach who I like to forget about, but plays that take advantage of the other team by using their strengths of pursuit against them. You know, the kind of things other teams have been doing to us for the past four years and succeeding

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Aug 17, 2008 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was that really a naked bootleg?

Or did Dixon just tuck it and run? He sure made our linebackers and defensive backs (one of whom was Reggie Corner, as I recall) look pretty silly. He outran Ellis, too. The entire D was caught off guard.

by Defensewinsgames on Aug 17, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the reason why its called a "naked" is because there were no eligible WR or RB there....

its designed that way to trick the defense into over-committing to the run…..and it works if run properly and set up.

http://bills.sportsbloggingnetwork.com/

by norcaliangelsfan on Aug 17, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite – the reason it’s called a naked bootleg is because there were no offensive linemen at all in front of him. There actually were two eligible receivers – a WR and a TE downfield that he could have thrown to, but decided to run instead. Both players made excellent blocks on Bills defenders, which is a big reason it succeeded so well.

by Krenn on Aug 17, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine our guys doing that

Lynch would man up, and so would Reed, and Royal. I wounldn’t count on Hardy, Evens or Parrish for much downfield blocking, but Trent sure looked like he can get a sprint going against Pittsburgh, if he’s got some open field. Just hope he doesn’t take anything out of JP’s book and get creamed from some 260 pound linebacker.
I don’t see Jauron giving Trent the green light for a naked bootleg anyway. He’s too conservative for that, and scared of injury.

by Defensewinsgames on Aug 18, 2008 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turk will be fine. He knows what he wants, he adjusts his approach to utilize the players’ strengths, he has a good feel for the offensive play-calling, and that confidence will help the players. I think DJ made a great choice…

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Aug 18, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting fact

an interesting fact that makes me hope Turk is for real:

Last year the Bills led the league in % of run plays used when trailing in the second half of games. When I read that I couldn’t believe it. That is never a stat I want to see.

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Aug 19, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is a stat

representing ineptitude, as in the ineptitude of Fairchild. I swear, that guy had no clue how to run an O or call a game….I just wish Jauron actually knew to do something about it….

~K

by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clark Judge seems to think he is....

LINK

He really sticks it to Fairchild in the article too, which I absolutely love.

~K

by Kurupt on Aug 19, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great read

wow, i loved that article and its about time someone besides us regular joe bills fans stuck it to fairchild. Good riddance, there are so many ridiculous stats about his incompetence. Quarterbacks were not allowed to call audibles in his offense. Enough said. What a moron.

McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year

by poz on Aug 19, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fairchild was the most predictable play caller I have ever seen. High School football in WNY is less predictable than a Farichild led offense. He was a stubborn coordinater who kept using the philosophy that he belived in and not one that fit the players or game situations. Fairchild’s complete inability to be creative or unpredictable is something that we will no longer have to deal with and the offense should improve on that fact alone.

People keep talking about how Schonert is a west coast guy and the Bills will use more quick short passes. People also talk about how he will give Trent more oppurtunities to throw deep. The way Schonert will do that is by varying Trent’s dropback. One play will be a quick 3 step drop and Trent will throw an out, slant or cross based on timing. Those routes seem passive and Trent will never lose his dumpoff label, but they are actually an aggressive form of offense. Quick timing routes where Trent is only in the backfield for a couple seconds before he throws will force to defense to blitz less. That simple change in defense will then allow Schonert to call more 7 step drops, leave Royal and Marshawn or Barnes in to block and let Trent try to find Evans, Hardy and Parrish on deeper routes. Fairchild was a five step guy and was too stubborn to call anything else. Schonert will use a variety of formations, packages and playcalls to get the most out of the talent the Bills have on the roster.

by kaisertown on Aug 19, 2008 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this.

If you are correct, K-town, I like it. It sounds so Walsh-like. As I recall, Walsh was a pretty successful guy, even though a lot of people thought his offense was wacky. Until he and a guy named Montana started winning Super Bowls.
I’d like to know more about Schonert, the man. What kind of QB he was in the few opportunities he had to play. What he does that is not related to football. Family. Philosophy. How he looks at the game of football and how he and Edwards relate to each other. There’re both Stanford men, what else do they have in common? Where he’s from. There must be a ton of background on this guy that would give us some insight on what kind of OC he might be, and where he might lead his young proteges.

Brian, of all the journalists who cover the Bills, if only sporadically, who would be best at researching an article like this?

by Defensewinsgames on Aug 20, 2008 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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