Schouman will be out for a while

by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2008 12:00 AM EDT Comment 13 comments

SCHOUMAN COULD BE OUT WEEKS: Tight end Derek Schouman's knee injury from Thursday night's game is not season ending, but it could keep him out for "weeks" according to head coach Dick Jauron.

"Derek's going to be a little while, we're hoping not a long while," said Jauron. "At this point Bud (Carpenter) is talking in the weeks. So it's not good, but it could have been worse."

Jauron would only say that Schouman has a knee strain. We'll have mroe on this on the home page tonight.

Sounds like Fine could be our 2nd TE going forward, with Anderson probably assured to make the team. Unless Schouman's injury isn't that serious and he'll only miss the rest of the preseason, we may have just lost a roster spot elsewhere (6th WR, 6th CB, 9th OL, etc). I also could see Schouman not making the team if the injury is expected to keep him out well into the season. He has not performed well at all in the preseason and taking upa roster spot as an injured player may not be what the staff needs. He'd probably be placed on IR then. It's a longshot that he gets released, but I wouldn't count against it....

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This could be a very interesting situation. I didn’t think the Bills were going to keep 6 WRs or 9 OL anyways. I agree that Courtney Anderson just became a near lock to make the team.

Here’s a thought, Schouman can be waived and placed on the practice squad. He hasn’t shown anything in preseason, so he might be safe from other teams. I don’t know if he is worth putting on the IR. His contract is up after this season (although it might as well not be since he will be an ERFA). I guess I should point out that I have never been a Schouman believer. So take my Schouman opinions with a grain of salt.

by kaisertown on Aug 18, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Agree

Didn’t even think about the PS, which may be a good idea. No team is going to pick him up at the start of the season when he’s injured and I think it’d be worth the risk. I agree that Schouman has shown next to nothing thus far, getting pushed around along the line, unable to get open out in patterns, and dropping the one pass that was catchable.

by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

PUP List

can’t Schouman be put on the PUP list and be eligible later in the season?

I’m of the opinion that OBD will keep the player(s) that can contribute on special teams and release the ones that can’t, meaning Courtney Anderson would be cut. It could be a gamble but given the emphasis on special teams I think it is conceivable. Last year we picked up Michael Gaines off the street so getting a 3rd TE if necessary isn’t impossible. There are several players on the “bubble” that may make the team if this scenario plays out. Players like Buggs and Jenkins may benefit personally from the injury to Schouman.

by gatornation on Aug 18, 2008 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

I’m not sure how the PUP list works, but I think you may be correct. He would be out for the first 6 weeks of the year, I believe. I think there are two different PUP lists: active/PUP list and the reserve/PUP list. The first one is for players who are currently on it and were on it when training camp began, like David Tyree and half the Patriots. Those guys can be moved to the active roster at any time before the season begins, I think. The Reserve PUP list is what Richard Seymour was placed on last year, giving the Pats an open roster spot while Seymour was out for the first 6 weeks.

Here’s the rule:

A player who begins the season on the PUP list must sit out his team’s first six games. After that point, the player is allowed to practice with the team through Week 10 of the NFL season, and can be activated any time within that window. If the player is not activated by Week 10, he must stop practicing and is unavailable to be moved to the active roster for the remainder of the season.

I think the player that benefits most is Anderson. if Schouman isn’t cut or put on the PS or PUP list, nobody really benefits from this. In fact, someone would probably lose a roster spot as we’d be keeping 4 TE’s….

by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

PUP list and inactive 7

While on the PUP list a player is automatically put on the Inactive 7 list each week until they either come back onto the team full time or they are placed on IR. This means if he was to make the team already, there is no loss here. If he was on the bubble along with Anderson, it could mean that Anderson makes it and they give Derek an injury settlement and release him through the waiver process, which he would clear, then wait for him to heal.

Fear the mighty helmet wearing gopher, he is coming for your soul....

by WABillsfan on Aug 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

PUP

This move makes a lot of sense with Schouman out of action for awhile, and it gives the Bills a chance to keep someone on the roster they don’t want to cut at WR, CB, or LB.

Do it, DJ!

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Aug 18, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

PUP

I’m just not sure someone can be placed on the PUP list at this point. I thought they had to be on it at the start of training camp. Does anybody know the exact PUP rules???

by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I found this

Link

A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster.

So it would appear we’re out of luck here with Schouman. He’s either going to take up a much needed roster spot while he heals, gets cut and placed on the PS, or is placed on IR for the year.

Is there another list potentially? I wish the NFL had a DL like baseball so team’s wouldnt’ have to keep an injured guy on the active roster….

by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good work man. You are all over the details. And you are right, the Bills have 3 options. He hasn’t shown me nearly enough to make this team. It is all up to Juaron and how highly he thought of Schouman’s performance in practice. Personally, I would like to see him waived and brought back onto the PS. I think he would clear waivers without a problem. Hometown fans always overrate their players and assume they would be attractive to someone else, but it is hardly ever the case. A 7th round pick who barely played last year, played awful in his 1 1/2 preseason games, is injured, doesn’t have a true position and would have to learn a new team’s playbook sounds like he couldn’t be any less likely to get poached by another team.

by kaisertown on Aug 18, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

That’s probably our best option. Schouman probably still needs more seasoning, but I still see it somewhat unlikely that they’d cut him to add to the PS. He was getting first team reps after all. Even though he’s shown absolutely nothing and looks overmatched, the staff seems to love the guy.

I would release him and sign him to the PS as to best use our roster spots. We don’t need to go into the season with basically an empty roster spot (or two if Peters doesn’t show). We need the depth filled at most positions….

by Kurupt on Aug 18, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs