Bills announce first cuts
The Buffalo Bills have announced the first five cuts of the season, as the team waived five players to get down to the NFL-mandated 75-man roster maximum. The cuts needed to be made by this afternoon. The following players were released:
P D.J. Fitzpatrick, WR C.J. Hawthorne, DE Shaun Nua, CB Kennard Cox. Additionally, QB Matt Baker was waived/injured.
Buffalo's roster now stands at 75; the Bills host the Detroit Lions in their pre-season finale on Thursday, and the team must cut 22 more players by Saturday's cut-down date of August 30 to reach the NFL roster maximum of 53 players.
Can't say that any of these cuts are surprising. Nua was on his way out ever since the team signed street free agent Derrick Jones, who stole his reps right out of the gate. Cox - a seventh round draft choice in April - was likely released early in an attempt to lower interest, as he is a prime candidate for the team's practice squad. Baker has a shot at that role as well.
Thoughts on these releases?
0 recs |
61 comments
|
Comments
I never realized
that NFL rosters were so short…I mean you have 11 starters on each side of the ball that gets you 22 and say you have at least 1 back up for each position that 44 now you only have 9 spots for remaining players, then you have a kicker and punter that puts you down to 7 spots wow doesn’t leave much room for injuries…how do the practice squads play into the roster situation?
by Lion Alum on Aug 26, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's actually a little tighter than that.
Only 45 are on the active gameday roster. But there also isn’t a 1:1 ratio on backups. Barnes won’t have a backup, Royal’s backup will basically play that role. You might only have 3 or 4 backup offensive lineman that can play a variety of positions. Same thing with the DL, LBs and DBs.
by twoeightnine on Aug 26, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No surprises
except maybe Baker. I guess the staff feels Edwards and Losman will be healthy for Thursday. If one of those guys is out and Hamdan gets hurt, we have to bring one of them back into the game late. Not a fan of that, but oh well, Hamdan probably won’t be throwing any passes anyways.
I don’t think they have any interest in resigning Cox to the PS. That guy flat out stinks and was a wasted pick, even if it was right at the end. He was a poor college player and looked awful thus far in the preseason. I’d much rather keep a guy like Dustin Fox on the PS if eligible, or some other team’s cut. However, if we keep 6 CB’s, I doubt we keep someone on the PS there.
How is the waived/injured status of Baker different? Was he really hurt and if not, why the distinction?
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 26, 2008 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
According to BB.com, Baker broke a rib in the last preseason game. How did he manage that – he barely dropped back to pass?
It means if he clears waivers, he goes on the Bills IR. So he can’t go to the practice squad.
by Krenn on Aug 26, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he broke a rib getting drilled in the steelers game. tried to play through it. tough guy. was tough at unc, too
by tufenuf on Aug 26, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say he was tough . . .
ur name is tuf-e-nuf. . . Are you Matt Baker? Hmmmm
by XtrmeCarnage82 on Aug 27, 2008 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree about Cox. Why would they waive him now if they were thinking about him as a practice squad option. You just don’t do that. It is always a battle for those 8 PS spots and if the team had any interest in keeping him around they would want to see him for another week of practice and another preseason game where the backups play the whole game. I think this is a solid sign that the team intends on keeping 6 CBs. Fox isn’t PS eligible so he is a goner and I think that means that the other six make the team and provide all the depth they need.
by kaisertown on Aug 26, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% sure on Fox???
Just wondering how sure you are???
With the young CB’s we have and the injury concerns of others (James, McGee), keeping 6 is the smart thing to do. We saw last year how an injury or two forces us to do crazy things at CB….
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 26, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going under the asumption that all 6 of our CBs would make it through the last preseason game without sustaining any injuries that would leave them out for a decent amount of time. Fox is obviously not going to make the team if our other 6 guys are healthy.
My assumption is that if the Bills weren’t planning on keeping 6 CBs, then they would keep Cox around and place him on the practice squad. I don’t buy into Brian’s theory that Cox could still be PS bound. My whole point was basically that Fox isn’t PS eligible, so Cox was the only CB who is. If the Bills were planning on cutting James or Youboty than Cox would still be a Buffalo Bill.
Did that make sense?
by kaisertown on Aug 26, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox definitely isn’t eligible for the PS – he was on IR for all of 2005 (one accrued season) and was on the Bills’ 53-man roster for 6 games last year (a second accrued season).
by Krenn on Aug 26, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Irrelevant
What does it matter if Fox can be added to the PS or not? Wasn’t he sitting at home twiddling his thumbs when the Bills called sometime during the season last year? He wasn’t good enough for any team to pick up during the 2007 offseason and he didn’t show anything in the 2007 season to change that impression. If the Bills get a run of CB injuries, they’ll know right were to find Fox.
by Ron From NM on Aug 26, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side of that, you release a guy like Cox now so that other teams aren’t as interested. Who’s going to be looking for street free agents NOW? No, anyone seriously scouring the waiver wire will wait until SECOND cuts to make moves. The Bills released Cox now to slide him by teams. The sentiment is strong that he’ll be put on the practice squad.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 26, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please Brian
Cox stinks. Haven’t you seen that already? The guy can’t tackle anyone.
I don’t think some other team is going to be so enamored with a guy who was moved to FS and can’t tackle that they sign him anytime soon. I also hope we don’t waste a PS spot on him.
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 26, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That honestly doesn’t make any sense to me.
Cox is more likely to be picked up now than he would be after the next round of cuts. The simple logic being that teams have 75 roster spots now and will only have 53 (and a very final 53 at that) after the next round of cuts. A team would be more likely to bring Cox in for a look now than they would be to just give him a roster spot after the next round.
The Bills will have first dibs on all of their cuts to bring them back to the practice squad. Unless a player is actually put on somebody’s 53 man roster, every cut could be brought back. Why would a player leave now only to learn a new system. Practice squad players all make the same salary, so it isn’t as if the Bills will be outbid by another team.
There will be a very tough, down to the wire competition for spots on the practice squad. If the team had interest in bringing Cox back they would have kept him around and let him battle it out. I doubt he is so far ahead of guys like Gaddis, Corto, Buggs, Jones, Bryan, McCaskill, Johnson and Huggins that the Bills have already rewarded him with a spot.
Who would actually want Kennard Cox? Every team will have a tough enough decision trying to pick between their own players who have spent an entire offseason learning under the coaches. Seriously, why would the Bills have to be sneaky with Kennard Cox? He isn’t going to make another team, he won’t leave the Bills to play on some other team’s PS.
by kaisertown on Aug 26, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying it’s a strategy that makes any sense to me, but it’s been used before. Just last year, Jon Corto went through the same process.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 26, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Corto made the practice squad right after the cuts though. Wasn’t he brought back halfway through the year after a bunch of players were placed on the IR and practice squad guys were getting promoted right and left?
by kaisertown on Aug 26, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong, but I was fairly certain he was on the squad from the outset. Of course, BB.com isn’t very specific:
Spent training camp with the team and was on the practice squad for several weeks during the season.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 26, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL.com website can actually search by month/year for transactions:
Corto was added to the practice squad on 9/4, then removed on 9/19 (to make room for Fox).
Then he was re-signed by the Bills on 1/3/2008 to a “futures contract”.
by Krenn on Aug 26, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds right. They brought Fox in because everybody was going down at corner. Hopefully, we won’t have to re-live that this year.
by Brian Galliford on Aug 26, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cut strategy
The best example of the strategy Brian referred to is when the Bills cut Jason Peters in the 1st round of cuts his rookie year and then put him on the practice squad.
by Nick315 on Aug 26, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly. We don’t have any near-future plans for Cox, nor does he have any attraction for another team to go for him. If he did, we wouldn’t have gotten him in the seventh round. However, if he goes go to the practice squad, I can’t say I’m extremely eager to see him back on the field again. He hasn’t shown anything to us thus far, and any progress would be impressive. I mean, the guys looked pretty much awful thus far, and he’ll need a good amount of time to develop. But i agree, cutting him now makes him more available for the practice squad, if we decide to go that route. Let’s say he’s a darkhorse(at best?) to be an NFL contributor someday.
by jj24 on Aug 26, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the only one that suprised me.
Not because he was waived/injured but because he was injured. There was no talk about it during the game or yesterday. I had originally figured that Baker would make the PS with Hamdan getting cut. (And brought back later in the season in event of a serious injury.)
by twoeightnine on Aug 26, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing
surprising to me. Baker was the only one with any future and if he is hurt, putting him on the IR would give him a year to learn without taking a roster spot.
by RabidBuffalo on Aug 26, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean
they beat him in the locker room until he broke the rib?
by patamunzo on Aug 26, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
If he REALLY wants to be a football player, he needs to make sacrifices.
by RabidBuffalo on Aug 26, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got some good news and some bad news.
“The good news is – we’re keeping you around. The bad news – it’s on injured reserve.”
“But coach, I’m not injured…. Coach, what are you doing with that baseball bat???”
by Krenn on Aug 26, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hey now"
“this is just a bad joke, right? I mean, you’re not really going to do what I think you’re going to do, are you? C’mon coach, we’re like best buds, ya know? We can talk this out now, just put down that…(thud)…AIYEEEE!”
“Nothing personal, you understand. We’re just looking out for the best interests of the team. We’ll give you a call soon to discuss the options.”
Makes me shudder just thinking about it…
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Aug 26, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For $250,000 plus.....
…..I think I’d let Jauron crack a rib or two. I’d just rationalize it by repeating over and over again: I’m taking one for the bank account.
by Ron From NM on Aug 26, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had broken ribs before, and it sucked...
But, I would jump at the chance to break a few for that kind of loot. I would hit myself with a tire iron if need be. Six weeks of “ouch” for two hundred fifty grrr? Sign me the flip up my friend…
by krytime on Aug 26, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too....
…..and there wasn’t any cash involved.
by Ron From NM on Aug 26, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker not such a surprise
It makes sense that they can let him go without “letting him go.” Plus, if you remember, this team last year went with just two QBs (no third string) figuring they could find someone (read Craig Nall) if need be. They might go with that again as it did work out for them.
Well-nothing at QB could really be called “working out” last year but you know what I mean.
by Frank L on Aug 26, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawthorne, Fitzpatrick, Cox
I’m slightly surprised that Hawthorne was cut, seeing as how he was just brought in. Then again, I’m not surprised. Too much depth at that position and we may cut some more there…
Fitzpatrick had to go. That’s why they played him all night against the Colts I imagine…
Regarding Kennard Cox, the guy plainly was fighting an uphill battle from the moment he was drafted to remain on the team. Being the third cornerback drafted by Buffalo this year, along with our other CBs was the writing on the wall unless Cox had an astounding preseason. I don’t know if Brian’s theory is true, but I believe it’s certainly plausible, if risky. Teams are looking to cut players, not pick them up. I’m sure this tactic has been tried before. Does anyone know of any previous instances?
by Dyl on Aug 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of Course D.J had i mean where are we gonna put him he was just there to give moorman some rest
by Parrish11rules on Aug 26, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reward
I think they played Fitzgerald in the Colts game not so much to give Moorman a rest but rather to give Fitzgerald a little TV exposure time. He’s done what he knew was thankless grunt work in camp so why not let him show what he has to the other 31 teams?
by Ron From NM on Aug 26, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Moorman’s idea – he’s a friend of Fitzpatrick.
by Krenn on Aug 26, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing about these cuts shock me. Baker showed me next to nothing. Fitzpatrick, Nua, and Hawthorne were never going to be on the roster, and Cox was a big long shot to make the roster. The only question is whether or not the Bills try to put Cox on the PS.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Aug 26, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cuts
No surprises here,but the next round of cuts will be tough.Alot of good players on the bubble still.I think dewayne wright is going to be released after the lions game.Oman looks good.
by 1969 topps on Aug 26, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fitspatrick
He had no chance here to stick,but he performed well enough for someone else to give him a look.
by 1969 topps on Aug 26, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
special teams
Because special teams are so valued here,i can see guys like fox,constanzo,and massaquoi sticking around instead of james,anderson,or ellison.
by 1969 topps on Aug 26, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will James
I just can’t see Will James being cut. The CB position is very fragile for Buffalo, with McGee and Greer not being the ideal tandem in the first place. Outside of James, we have Leodis McKelvin, Ashton Youboty, and Reggie Corner ready to step in. Those three are just not enough to make the position solid.
It’s clear the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles thought James was good enough to start. Surely the Bills don’t think he’s a cut with the grab bag they have at CB.
by Dyl on Aug 26, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
… what does that have to do with this thread?
by Brian Galliford on Aug 27, 2008 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i second that motion
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Aug 27, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everything
Jason Peters is just ruining Christmas, and its hard to talk about what we all got under the tree when Peters fat ass is stuck in the chimney with our gifts
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Aug 27, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
McKelvin and Hardy - rookies of the year
by poz on Aug 27, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you should randomly insert that into threads.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Aug 27, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hasn’t he been doing that already?
by kaisertown on Aug 27, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess, I’m saying keep it up then.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Aug 27, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
justin jenkins
One guy who has played well this preseason and last preseason is jenkins.He was a monster on kick coverage during his regular season activation last season too.Hes a player who obviously did not arrive here highly touted.He just makes things happen when hes on the field.With sam aiken gone,he should b a lock for that number 5 wide out slot.
by 1969 topps on Aug 28, 2008 6:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With sam aiken gone,he should b a lock for that number 5 wide out slot.
Change that should be to “is”. No way Jenkins doesn’t make this team…
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
matt baker and anthony hargrove
What is the status of these two guys?If baker clears waivers does he automatically go to our injured reserve list,or is he a free agent?And what of hrgrove,is he on a bills suspended reserve list ,or is he a free agent?
by 1969 topps on Aug 28, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Free Agent for Hargrove
I think Baker goes on IR if he clears waivers….not 100% sure though
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
early thoughts on bills lions game
Its the second quarter and several bills look very good in the game so far.Gibran hamden,steve johnson,demetrius bell,jon corto,andxavier omon look pretty decent.
by 1969 topps on Aug 28, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
head on over to the game thread to add your comments as the game progresses
we’ve got a good discussion going as usual
~K
by Kurupt on Aug 28, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hargrove... baker
Thanks kurupt.Ill check you guys out at the discussion board too.Too bad hargrove is out of control off the field,hes a decent player.
by 1969 topps on Aug 28, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
roster moves coming?
Well its final cutdown time.Its going to be hard to cut a guy like copeland bryan after his performance against the lions,but it comes down to a numbers game.Does anyone think he could stick over ryan denny?Probably not but strange things happen during final roster cuts.Denny could be released next week.How about bruce hall?He ran very well,granted against against detroit backups.He certainly deserves a practice squad spot.Dewayne wright is gone.There is no way i would keep william james over ashton youboty and reggie corner.Could jon corto or blake costanzo knock keith ellison off the roster,i could see it.
by 1969 topps on Aug 28, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hamdan played well
Hamdan and steve johnson are players.Hamdan is a decent number three guy,great live arm.Johnson will force them to keep 6 wide outs.
by 1969 topps on Aug 28, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mckelvin
Hes a very a talented and exciting return man,but he also makes really stupid mental errors.Hes going to make some big plays as a returner and corner,and granted hes a rookie,but hes going to give the bills fans and coaching staff alot of grey hairs.Hes apparently not the smartest guy to ever lace up the cleats.
by 1969 topps on Aug 28, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
roster cuts
I was right in predicting william james would be released,he showed very little in preseason games,and ashton youboty has a ton of talent.Im glad youboty,bell,omon,johnson,and bryan all made the roster.No way any of them would have cleared waivers if released,except maybe bryan.
by 1969 topps on Aug 31, 2008 6:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

by 
























